that's if for us tonight. we're going to get after it this monday right here on cnn. enjoy your weekend. when i was a kid, there were two countries, east germany and west germany. they were divided by a wall. they realized the wall was dumb, they tore it down, and now, they're one. the great wall of china was built to keep out western civilization. how is that working out? walls suck. on this episode of "united states of america" we're talking about the u.s./mexico border. we're going to talk to people who live on this side of the wall, live on that side of the wall. who wants to talk? you know what? we should just book people the

way we normally do. this is not going to work. my name is w.kamau bell. as a comedian, i made a living finding humor in parts of america i don't understand. now, i'm challenging myself to b dig deeper. i'm on a mission to see the colors and belief that add to this country. this is "the united states hade america." there's things that are real and things that are imaginary. things that are real are observable, and predictable, like climate change. that kneeling for the national anthem doesn't mean you hate the troops. and that hot doughnuts taste better than cold doughnuts. that's science. there's things that are imaginary, like borders. think about it. borders are pretend lines drawn on the earth by men, and i mean

by men, as a way to divide up land. and sometimes the borders don't make any sense. like this town. it's divided into 30 parcels in a 3-square mile radius between belgium and the netherlands. big shoutout to all my strewers the viewers there, though. for example, the u.s./mexico border. people act like it's been around since the dinosaurs, it's only been settled since 1970. but the fact that the border is 20. the border and attitudes toward the border have shifted throughout history, many act

like it's an eternal problem. but president trump has a way to solve it. >> we need the wall. we're going to build the wall. we will build the wall. it will be built. don't even think about it. don't waste your breath. >> oh, yes, the wall. why does he want that wall so bad again? >> when mexico sends its people -- >> no. not going to listen to that on my show. and the ridiculous thing is that our relationship with mexico is actually pretty good. we haven't been at war for more than 150 years. if you want to get rid of undocumented americans you're getting rid of people like this. >>s this tens of thousands dreamers making an impact in the wake of hurricane harvey. like this paramedic. >> don't we want more people like that? i want to find out what's going on at the border. i'm heading to nogales, arizona,

and nogales, mexico. cities guarded by a border. first, i'm going to see what people on the u.s. side think about this. what's your name, sir? tell us about nogales, arizona. >> it's gone. the way i grew up here, it's gone. my mother was born over here. my father, over there. >> those days, it was easier to go back and forth. >> not anymore. after 9/11, crossing over was not as easy. businesses are dying. >> you see the lot of the businesses are closed. >> oh, yeah. not a lot of stuff to do. >> there's a restaurant over there. what kind of food? >> the tequila is on me. the leo's cafe. it's on facebook.

>> check out leo's cafeteria. it's on facebook. you're all invited. >> i know these people. >> he's right. we're in downtown nogales, arizona, in the middle of the day. but it feels like it could be the middle of the night. and now, i'm going to say something i don't usually say, it's not all president trump's fault. questionable border policies is not just a trump thing. it's a u.s. president thing. from teddy roosevelt's mounted watchmen, to official border patrol under calvin coolidge, to the nasty deportation wave called "operation wetback." to clinton who pass eed nafta. to george w.'s homeland security and our current wall, president

after president, keep s devotin our taxpayer dollars to tighten the border. and we have been at war with this country since 1848. there's no one i trust to talk to about this than my friend fabiana. she is an artist, organizer and activist that i have respect for. her organization creates artist events for border change. back in 2011, i attended one of their event s at the border. see? there i am right there. and we are reuniting in nearby bisby, arizona. >> it's been like six years. >> one of the first things i ever seen, was an artistic depiction of president obama. and under him or over him were the words, deporter in chief. i was like, hey, obama was the best. everything he does. some people on the left like to

always demonize the bad policies come from the right. >> oh, hell, no. yeah. obama had taken office in 2008. it helped build the deportation apparatus that trump is using now. he implemented programs, that was secure communities. and said that local communities had to share their data with i.c.e. as a result, you saw deportations at the highest they had ever been for any president. we're dogging rates of over 1,000 a day. about 2 million people. >> wow. >> yeah. >> why is it that people who are anti-immigration, why don't they see these as families who need help? >> i think words and language create unconscious bias. i remember watching tv and seeing the commercials that say invasion.

you see people running and the symbol at the border is a powerful symbol, creating an anti-immigrant wave. >> now, let's talk about the wall, physical, as an artist, how you see it. they talk about building a bigger wall. >> as a metaphor or a story, it's extremely compelling. the president is a straight-up performance artist. he is a really powerful story teller. he is speaking to people's fear. the story is very compelling. >> he's like an artist. >> he's painting. >> just painting his vcanvas. >> it's fiction and it's imagined. our time is now. we need the metaphors for the future. and artists, that's what we do. we create new symbols. it's the power of culture. artists have a big role to play

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♪ this morning, i'm headed to the mexico side of nogales. and if you need an example of how mexico views americans coming to their country -- here it is. yup, i'm just walking in. harder to get on the subway. >> where are you from. >> i'm from tijuana spanish ranch. >> let's try spanish. >> so you're from sonora, mexico. >> where do you live now? >> here? better than i thought. >> you're get going. >> i'm get going. >> what are you doing today? >> we should go back to english. i heard you work. that's you will i got.

>> oh. so it's -- it's true that american citizens can come to mexico and buy pharmaceutical drugs without a prescription? >> what about cialis? >> i'm just asking for a friend. >> okay. >> for a guy i know, yeah. is safe in this town? >> it's a safe place, yes. >> do you think this wall will make it more or less safe? make a difference. >> less safe because more restriction. the more restriction on people, the more rebellion. >> the more rebellion. what is that saying do you know what it's saying? >> oh, it's a supermarket. >> i thought it was some sort of like -- the revolution is coming. time to rise up, brothers and

sisters. we're going to take down that wall. this is about melons and cucumbers. if you could say something to president trump right now what would you say? you can look right that and talk to president trump. >> mr. trump with all due respect we are not thieves. we are not delinquents. we are people who work and know how to work because we want to help our country. and we're not asking for anything. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you very much. bye. >> i'll see you later for some cialis. >> nogales, mexico, is different

than nogales, arizona. the energy is completely different. this is vibrant and fun we could use some of this on the american side. too bad this wall is in the way. just a reminder there is already a wall which somehow many people seem to not know. here a segment i like to call get to know your border wall. this $3 million manifestation of fear stoked by congress. subpoena is concrete, steel, and barriers fit for the beaches of normandy. at over of 650 miles it runs from california to texas with the most continuous section along the parts that don't have a wall are pretty much impossible to build a wall on because of hazardous train. also you can't put a wall on a river. just science. but for our current president,

this isn't enough. the future of the new wall changes every day construction of prototypes took place in october of 2017 in san diego. to take a look at this issue, both structurally and ethically. i'm on the american side to talk with engineer dr. karwan. let's talk about the idea where the nation is right now, where there's a lot of talk about the trump wall, you know? it's not connected to any sort of current reality. >> right, yeah. there were two proposals put out eight prototypes were chosen. the teams were given 30 days to build a 30-foot long and ostensibly 30-foot high wall. >> the way you describe it it makes sense. he hosted one reality show. this is back door pitch for another reality show. >> six teams, 30 days. to build the wall. welcome to "america's got talent but it's wasting it building this wall." so let's talk about this -- is

that -- the noise of the loudspeaker. >> yeah it's funny as we sit here talking about this -- this border and this wall, like i can -- we can hear the sounds of life there. in any other situation it's like we'd walk over and see what happens. the man is selling ice cream. let's check it out the. >> you question the nature of the nation state itself. >> is that what i'm doing? i just want some ice cream. so now let's talk about the other piece of this. >> yes. >> every president has a moment should i do this or is this the right thing. no matter what field you are is this the right thing or hurt people. >> that's a complicated question. >> great. >> we that's what we do on this show. >> well, so every professional society has a code of ethics. like the first canon is about engineers holding paramount the safety health and welfare of the public. but it's really hard to define what those words mean.

what -- you know, what public are we talking about? whose health are we talking about? what does safety actually mean? engineers i feel and firms need to be equipped at least contextually answer those kinds of questions. i mean, from an ethical and moral standpoint i don't think something like this should be done. for now, in may be politically necessary or something like that. but say it takes three or four, five six years to build something like this and the politics of the situation have changed. then what with? like this is there for a long time. >> they will help to define who we are as a country. >> this isn't a tea cup this isn't something that can be gotten rid of. a whole other part of this is there are parts of the border where the infrastructure to build it doesn't exist. you need to make the roads to go there. how do you set up camps tor the workers there? there are all the other infrastructural questions to build it. >> the other thing we're talking

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with all the talk about the wall, we sometimes forget that there are real people whose jobs are to prevent undocumented border crossings. but for many americans myself includes with, border patrol has earned as a bad reputation with migrants as police have earned with people of color. either way, i really need to talk to them about how they see their jobs. especially since the two agents i'm talking to are mexican-americans. >> are you familiar with the office of the united states border patrol? >> you can start from absolute zero. >> meet the agents, a couple of nice guys. but of course border patrol isn't going to send me the jerks. when people are going over the wall, are most of the people trying to smuggle drugs just trying to get here? >> that's the thing. you don't know there is not a magic device i can point it at sob he wants to come over and work here. he wants to come over and provide for his family. he wants to come over to commit

crimes against our citizens. >> i think that's the biggest thing most people miss. we're not anted i immigration we want people coming through the front door. we're all products of immigration ourselves. >> i would imagine there is maybe some friends or family or people in your community who wouldn't be happy with the fact that you have become border agents. >> i actually arrested an individual she asked me how can you can you do what you do when you're a mexican? first and foremost i am an american. second of all you hear about the people dieing in the desert they die because i didn't catch them. think about it. in a sense every arrest i make is a rescue. right here as we go up you see rust, right at the same time you can see footprints and hand prints all across the fence here. >> this area here is worn a different are color the hand oils, the dirt, changes the

color of the tube from the amount of use that people try and get over it. >> we know they can cross it. this is just what we utilize. >> yeah. >> to give our agents an additional amount of time. >> there is not necessarily a wall that could be built where you'd be be like that's all we need. >> no. no. >> i wish it was that easy. >> people like want a magic silver bullet. and there is none. >> come on up. >> all right. come out. so, we're talking about a more rural, remote area. from here, to get away from us, it's going to take hours to days. you can feel the heat on you. you can imagine what they're told. they're told it's a short walk. but in reality the trip is three to five days. >> that's the trip once you get on this side. >> that's once you get on this side. >> temperatures here can reach well over 100 degrees. combine that with mountain pass at over 3,800 feet. add a liberal amount of snakes scorpions, coyotes and wildcats,

and you have an obstacle course that can turn deadly at any given step. >> here we are, kamau, this is the ends of the infrastructure we have in place. it doesn't span the border, at least not yet. but that's what the border used to look like there. >> that's where the. >> those sticks and those barbed wire fence right there. >> wow. >> you know what you're walking on, that's the trail. you can see it's already started growing back. >> oh, this here. >> this used to be a trail where immigrants were walking through. >> wow. >> not that long ago because somebody ate candy here recently. >> look at that. >> still kind of fresh. >> you just smelled to find out how fresh that candy is. people at home are seeing this and saying this is why we need a bigger wall. this is -- i'm quoting. >> i understand. air quotes. >> but even this is not a hard thing to get over then you got to go through this. >> exactly. that's the dangerous part. but see over there in the distance what's that? that's our tower?

even though he thinks he is not seen we're watching him sfaft they finally saw you wave. >> where is my passport? i'm with you. it's all right. it's all right. >> how here it's low-tech to high-tech with a digital wall madysen of 8,000 cameras. 11,000 underground sensors. 107 aircrafts including drones, a blimp and other repurposed military gear used in afghanistan and iraq. so then what's a taller wall going to do exactly? >> we're glad that you decided to talk to us so people can understand what kind of service we are doing for them. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. got to be honest i'll always hesitant in these situations. these two officers seem like good guys. they clearly believe they're helping people. i had fun. but these officers over here ares are border patrol and a couple months after we were there this video came out showing border patrol officers that i hadn't met destroying

water fsupplies left by activiss to help people not die. showing proceed patrol destroying water supplies trying to help people not. >> while the agency released a statement they they condone the actions. we no every there are agents like this and like this. which are there more of? it's hard to know. but there is no question that the water was there to save lives. if anybody knows what happens to people out there when they don't have enough water it's dr. bruce anderson, an examiner from pima county, arizona. >> tell people where we are. >> we are in the receiving room and we receive here everything fl a dead body to a single bone which could be found in the desert. bull but all of the deceased people come in the back door. >> to be clear this is not just for people at the border anybody in the county.

>> everybody, the vast majority come in here with a name. there is no question about the identification. with the migrants foreign nationals who die outside in harsh conditions, that's not true. if you are mexican citizen, central american citizens we have had 2,800 such deaths over the last 18 years. we identified about 1,800. that leaves us about a thousand currently unidentified. >> i hear you using words like migrant and foreign national. you seem to be purposeful with those words. those are not the words we on tv hear. >> most of them were migrating, trying to get to mexico through arizona, to get to other states in this country, for a job. a few are smugglers. the vast majority seem to be from what we learn from the identified people to be migrants who were going to do the blue collar jobs. >> yeah. we go in here now? >> this is the cooler where we are keep all the remains before autopsy. >> so the first thing i notice is the smell.

is that the smell -- that's the smell of the people. >> it's decomposition odor, yeah. there must be 50 or 70 bodies here all unidentified. they will be released and either buried or cremated as john doe or jane doe. >> and the families will never know the end. >> the vast majority of these folks shouldn't be dead. they're in the prime of life, 20 to 30, in good shape. wouldn't be dead except they crossed a dangerous desert. >> at what i would define as a stupid point in american history. for the unidentified the journey back to the families begin was dr. robin rieniky for the center for human rights. her organization works to reconnect family was the loved ones using the few belongings left when the remains were discovered. >> it's kind of the typical case. there is an i.d. card here. that's a strong clue. but a lot of times people will

carry a false i.d. card or the chaos of the crossing they'll x i.d. c uards. >> just because there is an i.d. it doesn't mean it's this person. >> exactly. they're clues, they can help tell a story, help the family to heal. help the family to connect to something when they're given skeletal remains and said this is your son. i remember a woman had a spanish english dictionary and she had a sheet where she was practicing english. saying my name is. >> preparing for a new life. >> you could feel that sense of hope. >> yes, yes. what do you think when you hear people talk about the wall? >> we have a wall already. it's an irresponsible, inhumane policy. if you look at the data from 1990 through 1999, this office saw an average of 19 fatalities believed to be migrants. from the year 2000 through the present, the average jumps up to 175 per year.

that's like a medium size plane crash every year in southern arizona. these are special individual irreplaceable human lives. for example we just notified the daughter of a woman who had been missing since 2011. her daughter said, it's my birthday today. for me because i get to reclaim this is the best birthday gift for me because i get to reclaim my mom's story and to know how to ended andrea to have her mom's body to be able to mourn. >> wow. >> we believe that our duty is for healing and for justice and also a messenger, hopefully to other americans to be ready to speak out against this and to contest this -- this isn't who we are, allowing thousands of people to lose lives in the desert every year. >> on a very basic level to me it feels un-american. >> yeah. >> yeah.

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>> 111 acres and the house is right in the middle, so i don't have to deal with neighbors. [ laughter ] >> so you can have sole privacy. >> privacy is a thing of the past. >> why do you say that? >> the border, it used to be serene, peaceful. mexican cows would come across and mexican cowboys would come across and get them and i would give them a cup of coffee or a coke, no big deal. >> what year was this? >> late '70s, early '80s. when i moved here, there was four border patrol agents at this station. now there is over 1,200. >> whoa. >> that's too many border patrol agents. >> they are not kidding about the rise of security. in 1992 there were just over 3,500 agents along the southwest border. in 2017 there were over 16,000. and they are still hiring. >> so guess what they put their wall? right behind my property.

>> you hear president trump talking about we need a bigger wall, like a 30-foot hall. what do you think about that? >> i'm not in favor of it and i don't like it and it doesn't make me feel safer. do you feel safer? that's the real question. >> we're not afraid. >> let that sink in. these are white people who live on the boarder who don't want the wall. >> over the years, we'll get some crossers. if they approach my house, it's only because they need help. >> we've had illegal aliens tell us when the coyote drops them off, they think oklahoma is two miles that way. are. have no idea where they >> i had six young men one time that came with a little piece of paper and it said cleveland, ohio. their coyote told them if they walk that direction for two days, they will be in cleveland. >> oh, my god. >> they are just people, lost people looking for something better. >> this is what people in washington d.c. are afraid of. people always the ones in front of the cnn cameras.

>> well, look at this. look who put you in front of the cnn cameras. >> here we go. here is a helicopter. >> wow. it's really close. sometimes shooting a tv show just works out because here we are having a conversation about there being too much security and what do you know, we're interrupted by too much security, sponsored by your wasted tax dollars. they are totally circling us. >> he's checking you out. >> i've been called a bad hombre. let's be clear, of course there is crime at the border, there is crime everywhere in america. that's one of our things. crime on the boarder can be unlike anywhere else. like check this little house out in nogales, arizona. there is something about this house that's pretty interesting. >> yes. it's called the tunnel house. la casa. the exit is here in my basement

and it's from el chappo guzman's cartel. >> that's right. part of life on the boarder is you have have a patched over underground drug tunnel. there is around 100 tunnels in nogales, arizona, alone. but this one was operated by the notorious el chappo. if you're looking at boarder real estate, ask if any international drug lords owned it first, maybe you'll get a discount. >> just back this way? >> yes, back this way. >> so right there. >> right there, yes. >> this part that clearly looks covered. when did they tell you or did you know this was ell chapo's? >> nobody told me. i googled address to see it on google maps and i saw these newspaper articles that it was called the tunnel house. i had rented the tunnel house. >> so you didn't know? >> i didn't know.

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i'm back in nogales sanoro, mexico, to check out a place that reveals the human cost of america's immigration policy and i'm meeting with a leader, father sean carol. tell me where i'm at now. >> this is a place we provide two meals a day, mostly to deportees. >> this is their first welcome back to mexico? >> it really is essentially. we provide food, clothing. this is critical work here. >> are there people coming here who have been in the united states for years? >> yes, we're seeing an increasing number of people living in the united states for a long time being deported in comparison to last year. >> some people thought their life was set up there and suddenly they are deported and find themselves in this room. >> sometimes overnight. >> since trump took office, no agency in america has had a greater impact on migrants' l e lives than immigrations and customs enforcement, akai.c.e.,

with arrests in 2017. the trump organization made it so any undocumented immigrants in america today are vulnerable to arrest. this empowerment has seen i.c.e. raid would-be safe places like family homes, churches, sanctuary cities and even 7-elevens. and it seems like the true fallout is families being ripped apart, like this one. >> no one should ever go through the main of having their mom taken away from them. >> or this one. >> why do you want to take my brothers away from my family? why? >> or this one. >> it's so hard. they just pull you away. you can't even say bye to anybody. >> or this one. >> my dad was detained in front of me on my way to school. it was the hardest thing to watch. but i still went to school because my father showed me the importance of education. >> now stories like this seem to be happening every day because they are happening every day.

i.c.e. picks you up, suddenly you're back in mexico. i would imagine at some point you're stuck with what do i do next? >> we're people who grew up in the united states. so for some of them, they are in a foreign country. >> as an american, what do you feel doing the work down here? >> i don't think our current immigration policies reflect who we are as a country and who we want to be. >> the american thing to do would be to give people access to opportunity, family and community. >> that's certainly something we're promoting. >> my wife will be happy i ran into a judge. every time i talk to a one, maybe i can be a catholic. after talking with father sean, i wanted to get involved. i wanted to hear the stories of the people i helped serve. the crowd is a mix of people who have been living in the u.s. for

a while. and others who were there for a few days. >> on tuesday. we got here last night. >> this is cecilia, for people with her with no prior record and arrested at the border, she was sent to a u.s. federal court and given a choice, plead guilty to a petty misdemeanor for unlawful entry and most likely get deported immediately or risk sitting in jail for months awaiting a trial. what do you think she chose? was the trip like to the border? [speaking foreign language] >> her plan was to cross the border, find work, save money and return to mexico and open a business. she had no plans to stay. did you try to figure out if there was a legal way to go to america? hearing about what she went

through gives me the opportunity to point out, there's no easy way for immigrants to enter or work in the u.s. first, on top of a passport, a visa is required which takes heavy documentation, money, an interview and several weeks, if not months with no guarantee you'll get it. let's say you do that, get in and want to work. well, only 66,000 immigrants from all countries are able to obtain seasonable work visas through employers and jobs outside of farm labor each year. most importantly, access is limited to employers who take the steps to prove an american can't or won't fill the positions, which means immigrants aren't taking american jobs. what is your plan now? in the u.s.?

so i don't think it's worth it now. it's just not worth it so i'm going to have to wait. >> thank you. thank you. >> her story was hard to hear and i was super thankful to my producer, vanessa sanchez, who encouraged her to talk to me. as we wrapped up, they were having a moment so later i pulled vanessa outside from behind the camera to tell me what was going on. >> she came over to me and she said that i reminded her of her sister and her sister has her daughter in the states. she told me that her daughter gave her this bracelet when they were separated, and told her that she would give it back to her when they are together, and she wanted me to have it to thank me for what i'm doing, and it just really touched me because i am a first generation latina.

my parents migrated to this country in 1981 when they were 15 years old. only one time did they ever actually speak about the journey and it was something out of a movie and my parents walked, swam, ran, jumped, hid in the walls of a truck to get over here, so not until now do i like see it and i just want to run home and give them a hug. and say sorry. >> why say sorry? >> because i was so bad when i was a teenager. i was just so bad, and, you know, they did everything for me, you know, for me to have the potential to be where i'm at now and i will have this forever. forever. >> it's the least you can do after being such a bad kid. you were such a bad kid. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much.

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completely lost in the u.s./mexico wall hysteria is a tribe named the nation. they have been affected by the line called the border by anybody else because this land was their home long before the u.s. and mexico even existed.

the border literally split their land in two, with parts of their people in property on different sides. for my final stop, i'm meeting with the tribe's chairman and vice chairman on the american side of their reservation. thank you for letting us come here today. it's beautiful out here. >> that's why we live here. >> makes sense. why not live where it's beautiful. i read in your nation's language, there is not a word for wall, is that true? >> that's correct because the creator never gave us boundaries. we were nomaddic. we moved around. we were never confined and so there is nowhere for a wall. >> yeah. >> we've never crossed a border, the border crossed us. >> talk about how long your people have been in this area of the world? >> we've been here since memorial. it's the place the creator has given us. >> time and memorial is a very,

very, very long time. when time started you were here. >> right. >> yes. >> yes, yes. >> we're a federally recognized tribe and our enrollment has about 34,000 with approximately 2,000 of them living what is now mexico. we traverse this what they call international border, boundary, daily for domestic, religious ceremonial purposes. >> what are your thoughts on suddenly someone says this is the border, if you're on this side, you're with these people and if you're on this side, you're with these people. >> yeah, when i first toured the border, i noticed there was a house on the u.s. side and the well was on the mexican side. >> so they got to go four miles to the north to get the water from the well and haul it back to their house. there is no plumbing. we have to go to the well and pump it into the barrels to take it back home. >> it's silly when you hear that. it seems ridiculous. >> if they put up that wall,

it's really going to make it difficult for us because now we have to go around and drive two hours just to get to the port of entry. >> so instead of going straight through, you have to drive two hours around. >> the federal government is wanting to force this upon us to say they will put another slice through our heart again. so we welcome the trump administration to sit down at the table with us and let us talk. i will walk the 62 miles with them if he walks with me on that border. [ laughter ] >> i believe you would walk the 62 miles. i don't know if i believe he'll walk the 62 miles. maybe he'll roll next to you on a golf cart. >> probably. >> thank you for your interest oncoming here. >> absolutely. >> and meeting with us. >> absolutely. >> again, this idea of borders and walls is ridiculous. we're too good for this. here is the first people of this land and they didn't even have a

word for wall. but it's clear our current border policies do need to change because too often there is a tragic human cost. well, the people i talked to, many of whom live on the border, have some ideas. >> what i would do is make it so that the borders would be porous so that we could really get to experience and connect and really see what happens when communities can work together to build a future. >> do a background check, let them in here, give them the job they want, that would then free up border patrol to chase after the guys that are smuggling guns and drugs and money. >> when you focus on a group and provide them the resource, they well succeed so why don't we start with some of those things if we really want to be the true melting pot and the american dream, that's the dream that i'm looking for. >> dang straight.

one of american's favorite pastimes is lumping people too together, like the idea of minorities. let's take all the people who are darker than vin diesel and call them minorities. [ laughter ] it doesn't make any sense. because we have so many cultures and languages and religions and things. the only thing that really bonds minorities together is that we believe that if you're going to eat pork you got to use all the pig. you know what i mean? [ laughter ] you can't just be like the white people and scrape off the bacon and the ribs and throw the rest away. you've got to get in that pig.