her 6-year-old daughter is still in a facility in arizona. been no reunion yet and no indication when it may happen. a second phone call between the two is scheduled for tuesday. that's it for us. thanks very much for watching. i'll see you tomorrow night at 8:00. time to head it over for "chris cuomo primetime" which starts right now. >> thanks, anderson. i'm quiz cuomo and welcome to "primetime." a democratic congresswoman called for a shame campaign against trump administration officials, and we are seeing intense protests of the same even in private places. but the president seems to love this. why? we'll tell you. tonight we have a man who says he, too, has been black listed for his support of president trump. actor turned congressional candidate ayanbadejo saba candidate antonio sabato jr. and the crisis at the border after a week has not changed. what is it like inside the housing facilities where they won't let the media be your eyes and ears.

guess what. we have a lawmaker on the show who just got a look at what's happening in florida. and a world champion basketball star with a loo say about the political climate in america. we have him here tonight. golden state warrior draymond greenle. it's 9:00 p.m. in the east, the new happy hour according to one of our fans. let's get after it. administration officials being heckled. a democrat calling for more and the president saying she better watch out. what is going on? let's ask one of the people who wants to step right into the middle of this. he's one of president trump's hollywood supporters and is running for congress in a heavily democratic district in california, ayanbadentonio saba. very familiar face. good to have you here with us, sir. >> thank you, chris, thank you

very much. >> what's your diagnosis of the situation, what we see with maxine waters, the people who are showing up and going at trump officials and others in power who are seen as trump friendlies saying we're not going to take it anymore, we're coming for you? >> yeah. maxine waters, ircall her the hustler of hate promoting hate and division and actually attacking the administration or anybody who is involved with this administration. the that's unheard of. she should be put behind bars and thrown await key. >> hold on. you think maxine waters should be arrested in. >> yeah. should definitely be arrested. >> for what? >> for all the crime in her neighborhood. makes millions of dollars, lives in beverly hills, her constituents are dying on the street, homeless all over the place and she's walking away saying like everything is okay, our neighbors are fine. why don't you go live in your neighborhood and live and surround yourself with your community and help them physically, be there, like i'm doing in ventura county for 15 years. that's what people in congress should be like, should be involved with the community 100%. she is not, absolutely not.

how do you make millions of dollars by making over what 200, 250 a year maybe? where is she making all this money. it's corruption to the max. it's corruption to the max. >> i hear you about feeling that the people who represent a district should reflect the district, i get. >> yeah, they should, absolutely. >> taking a little look at this situation that we have here, so much anger on both sides. you say you want to get into the process. >> yeah. >> i assume your motivation is hope flip to make it bert, but that kind of talk she should be in jail, even if it's just hyperbole, but you understand there is no crime. >> i know how you're going change this. >> i'm not changing it. >> you understand what you're saying. >> i'm just telling you. right now you're asking me a question so i'm going to answer the best way i know how. i'm very many involved in my community in disdirect 26 and i'm going to win this in november for the american people. this is not about me. i love my country more than anything. if people in congress and the democratic party would put the american flag first, not the president, but the americans first, this country would be

perfect. we'd be worrying about our americans who are doing on the street, homelessness in los angeles, 10,000 people are living on the streets. nobody is doing anything about it. so we've got to step up and do more. >> how do you get more done? >> hand we will. >> how do you get more done if you can't work with the other side? >> the president has done a lot. >> antonio, i'm not talking about the president, i'm talking about you. >> good. >> and the ability to work with the other side is going to have to require a return to civility. what maxine waters is saying. i get that there's outrage from people who like what she's saying and outrage from people who don't like what she is saying, but there is a reason that she said what she said. the why matters here because of what's being said on the other side, right in. there's so much hostility. look what you just said my friend. she should be in jail >> you said obama and hillary clinton should be in jail. >> mm-hmm. >> you've said a lot of provocative things that don't make anything bert. how is that a good solution? >> i didn't leave -- i didn't leave my people to die in

benghazi. i didn't do that. i support our military. >> what does that mean? >> i'm not going to go on a press conference chris and tell everyone to attack or do anything against -- >> you are doing may lot of attacking yourself. >> no, i'm -- i'm attacking right now the socialist party in sacramento and in washington, d.c. because i believe that the american flag and our constitution should be first for people that go to washington. that's what i believe. god first, foo. >> how do you put the flag or god first because god is truth? >> yeah. amen to that. >> how do you do that when you play something like that? >> here's something you said a lot ago. >> first of all, i don't believe the guy is a christian. i don't believe he follows the god nalove and the geezuses that i love. if if you understand about obama, that's not a christian name, is it? we had a muslim president for seven and a half years. >> you believe president obama is a muslim, is that what you're saying? >> absolutely. >> i mean, look -- >> how is it helpful?

>> chris, chris, hold on. first of all, what is wrong with calling anyone a muslim? >> it is when they are not. >> it was -- it was my -- >> that's not accurate. >> the yeah, that's fine. >> but it's fine. what i'm saying you can call me a muslim if you want but i'm not -- i'm not going to use it against you or against me in this case because that's what i said that. was my opinion, but let's talk about now. let's talk about today what's going on right glue that was just in 2016 during the convention. we have $26 billion in immigration we're sending every year. that's a lot of stuff. >> if you want to represent a group of people, let alone a district that clinton won by 22 points. >> i'm representing the american people. you guys, listen. >> who are you representing by calling obama a muslim when it's not true. >> the american people. >> what is that supposed to do. >> right now i'm not talking aboutna. you're bringing that up. >> you said it before. you've got to own it now if you want to be in office. >> nobody is perfect. i'm willing to express my opinions and also my mistakes

and -- >> will had you apologize? >> i did, if you did your homework but obviously you didn't. >> you don't -- i don't remember you saying. i remember you saying he's probably not had a muslim. i understand that. that's not really an apology because you knew he wasn't a muslim when you said, it right. >> if there's nothing wrong with calling him a muslim what i should. >> it is when it's a false allegation done to disparage him and to feed hate. >> journalism -- journalism is dead. you should be -- you should be asking questions of journalists in the middle. in the middle. i'm a republican but the way you guys attack -- >> antonio, how is asking to account for what you snad. >> why do you take sides? i don't understand. why do you take sides? >> what did you mean. >> the american people know what's going on, and they know what's going on, and this november they will know even more because they will get people in congress who are there that love this country. you can say whatever you want about me, but i love this nation and i care. i care about my community. i care about my people. i listen to what they want and

i'm going to do exactly what they want me to do, what my community wants me to do. >> do you think they want you to divide people along christian and muslim lines? >> i would never say that. >> don't change -- don't change the narrative and make it work for you because that's what you guys do best. american people are a lot smarter than that. that's why they don't watch your network. heim here to promote something for -- >> i so so you came on a network that nobody watches? why did you do that? >> because i wanted to talk to you, i really did. the i'm not afraid of you guys whatsoever. >> you shouldn't be afraid of the truth and coming on to have had a real debate about ideas. >> you attack people and the way you be attack this administration and everyone who is involved with them is disgraceful. you should go to communion or whatever you want to do and just make peace with the man upstairs. >> you wouldn't go to communion. >> are you a catholic? >> you go to penance. >> got to check your catechism, my brother. if you're going to use it around

somebody else. if you're going to throw big bombs, make sure where to land it. >> that's something that you should do because you're doing a lot more. >> i'm helping you out here. >> i don't need your help, bro. >> you need a little bit of help. >> not from you. i will never take any help from you. >> i'm giving you an opportunity. >> i'm glad. >> you're from italy, you were born there. you came legally. >> i was born there. >> the problem with the country's immigration system is twofold. you have a legal immigration system and illegal immigration issue. >> i'm glad you brought that up. >> do you agree with president trump with a zero tolerance approach to illegal immigration? >> when i came here in 191 will 5 and we waited in line. we came here for two years on a green card and had to go back to italy. the first time we came here we worked hard and when we came to the border we had to sign a paper in a said don't take any welfare from in country. that was the good ole days, and now when you come here illegally or whatever you come here and

get free programs that the american people have to pay for. that's wrong, and i think we should take -- >> what if people need help to get here. >> what about the american people? what about the american people who do it legally. we have a door -- chris, chris, you know what, they don't even have to leave their country. they can if to the united states embassy right there. they don't even have to cross the border. you and i know they are coming here because of h trafficking, they are bringing drugs to this country and bringing it back to their place. >> some. >> that has been going on way too long. >> the some matters. the context matters. zero tolerance means nobody gets n.do you agree with the president that border agents should be able to turn everybody back without due process? >> listen, there's a lot of people in europe, millions in people in a are waiting to come here all over the world. they want to come here. i did it the right way. i get, if but we have to follow the law. >> do you agree. >> zero tolerance, come through the door. if i came to your house and i went through the window instead of the door or knocked at the door with all my kids and

everybody else and used your house and ate at your dinner table and everything else would you call the policeors would you have me stay there. >> what if you climbed through the window of my house because sub-was chasing through an ax. i wouldn't do that. >> what if you don't have time to call police? >> it's still illegal. >> and my window is open? >> no, i would take the guy with the ax out and i would take care of my level. >> what if everybody is no. has tough it is a you and they can't take out a guy with an ax. >> you understand what i'm saying? i want to get some questions from you on the record. do you agree with not needing due process before border agents send people back? >> i think if you cross the border like i repeated myself ever, if you cross the border illegally there's a price you've got to pay. if you do it legally through the door, come in legally, then we are -- we are allowing you to be an american citizen at some point. just do it legally, that's all i'm saying. >> so legal immigration coming through what the numbers are.

illegal is another one. had the flash point with the separation of kids from their parents as they come across and the mess that has result the that's going on right now. do you agree with what's the president did there? >> that's awful. >> actually, he overwritten that bee wants families to stay together this. what is started by obama administration -- >> it was not started by obama. >> kids were coming here, you know, human traffic and carrying drugs themselves. listen, we have are a bothered. if we don't have a bothered we don't have a country. >> what do you do with the kids, separate them from the parents or keep them not? >> i would never -- don't ask me that question. i have kids of my own. i know you're trying to be a smart ass is. i would never allow kids -- >> the president just separated kids from the family. i asked you endorsed it and went another direction and now you don't like the question. >> that's cnn talking. >> i don't think the president said that at all so you disagree with that. >> you don't think that the president said to separate kids from families. >> i don't think the president wants to separate anyone, especially parents and their kids, no. >> but he did exactly that with

his zero tolerance policy, that's how you got in this mess. >> he followed the law. he didn't make the law, did he? >> right. you follow the law. >> did he write the law, so he's following the law -- if i break the law, i have to pay consequences like you and i and everybody else in this country that is legally here. >> how you enforce the law matters, rights? not everybody who jaywalks gets prosecuted. >> the immigration situation we know it and you know it and i know it has been broken for a long time. we have to start fresh and start talking and making sure that we get a good one in place coming up soon, hope flip half november. >> now, one of the reasons that i wanted you to come on tonight and as your race goes on, you're welcome to dom back and i'll tell you why. i don't think it helps you and your race, helps me with my reporting or anybody watching this show if it's always about hostility. if i had hostility towards you, antonio, you wouldn't have been on the show. i decide who goes on and absolutely not. >> that's about love actually.

it's about god and it's about love, it's about taking care of people but it's also about standing firm to the policies that we have and the laws and the constitution of this country. that's what i'm saying. >> that's fine. you can argue your policy. you can argue your faith, but you don't have to attack people for asking the questions. you don't have to attack things that you don't like by insult. >> right. >> are you talking to yourself right now? sounds like you should -- >> i'm talking to you. >> i any you're talking to yourself because you guys do that very well. you attack people every single day. >> i'm trying to get a point through. >> i'm not on any medication. i'm drinking some good old-fashioned water. >> don't be so jumpy. >> what i'm saying we need to have more conversations where instead of attacking me for asking the questions you answer them and i test them and we go back and forth and people know your ideas and they can make ma more informed judgment. >> right. >> that's what i'm out for it. if you're into that you're always welcome back to that. >> i'm always up for that. >> it's coming from a good information and people need information and less

information. >> and of course i agree and you can keep it close to your heart. >> i try every single night. >> awesome, appreciate it. my pleasure, thank you. >> antonio sabato jr. running for congress in california. all right. now, we have a very different perspective. democratic congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz of florida. hours ago she went to one of these facilities where we can't get in. your eyes and ears inside these facilities. lawmakers can find their own ways in, and look at these kids who have been separated from their parents. congresswoman, thanks for being with us. let's start with what matters. we can get into all the bs hyperbole i was just dealing with with antonio and you guys have your own to take on tonight but first the kids. what did you see on the inside? >> well, you know, a week ago senator bill nelson and i were denied access to the homestead facility which has 1,300 kids, 70 of whom were separated from their families and it took me a week to be able to get into the

if a the silt with the younger children which i was able to get access to today. you know, what was -- what i was struck by the most, and there were 22 kids right now who are separated from their family, i'm talking 4, 5, 6-year-olds, pre-school age kids, you know, and it looks like a day care center. this is a permanent facility, not the temporary shelter like what we saw in homestead on saturday, and -- and it looks like a day care center, but what i was struck by, chris, was tat, you know, unlike when i dropped my kids off at day care and picked them up at the end. day and are them run into my arms, these kids don't see their parents. they are not picked up at the end of the day. they -- two of them very haven't even been able to locate the parents. these are children who are being cared for by strangers. there are teen moms in this facility. i met one of them who just came in last night. she looked scared and alone, and this is all the result of the president real having an abhorrent evil policy of

separating children from their parents which is completely unnecessary. >> one -- >> and unacceptable. >> one quilt practicality and then we'll get into the politics of it. >> sure, okay. the staff there, do they feel they can handle the extra capacity over time, and what is their understanding about the time line of when the kids in their custody will be reunited? >> so they don't have really any idea when they are going to be able to get these kids reunited. they are working to reunite them, but the problem that we discovered at homestead and here is that hhs, you know, the health and human services agency, only -- they can only work to reunite children and work for parents and go through the whole process monday through friday because dhs, homeland security, doesn't have staff working on the weekends to make sure that the process can be completed. they have reunited some children at this facility i was at today, but they have 22 this right now. the facility in homestead, you

know, has 70 children, and they weren't able to really tell me if any have been reunited with their parents, and that's just absolutely unacceptable. this is a creation of president trump and completely abhorrent and unnecessary. >> well, look, we know how we got here. the question is how do we get out of it, and that's why lawmakers like yourself, we have to hold accountable, not that you started it but you've got to the help put out the fire and got to see how this system works over time because every day for a kid at that tender age as we're calling it now. >> i can tell you how we can get out. >> now the politics of this and where it's leading us. you saw the interview with antonio sambatio jr. he's talking out a playbook that works well, anything i ask makes me an enemy to my cause and own country and maybe offensive to god as well which is a nice new flish and it's now being echoed on the left. i'm not doing a blame game. what's in front of us is observational, what maxine waters said, do you believe that

that kind of rhetoric and calls for shame campaigns are the answer for your party? >> well, i think we can have civil discourse and civil disobedience. what i do know is that, you know, you've got sarah huckabee sanders who was asked to leave a restaurant and children tonight all across this country who have been torn from their parents and are being carol for by strangers, some of whom are in detention facilities and can't even be cared for or picked up by the people who are working at the facilities. those are quite different situations. >> by orders of magnitude, but they do fall in categories, it's interesting to have you group them like that bhauecause it is the two wrongs make a right category. >> they aren't comparable. >> the tactic is the same. we don't like what you're doing so we're going to do something bad with you. that's what trump did and that's what waters is doing for people she doesn't like from the

organization. go shame them >> you can't compare for someone who is calling for civil disobedience. >> i'm saying as a tactic, how does it help. >> to a policy that has torn children from their families. >> as a tactic how does it help? >> spare me, i certainly won't be lectured by president trump or any of his allies over civil discourse and what the definition of civility is. >> fair point. >> these are people that have koor coarsened our discourse beyond the gate and the first thing out of the gate that an interwhy i -- that antonio sabato said to you was that maxine waters should be imprisoned. >> you try to stay away from

gasoline and put out the fire. >> we need to sit down in a bipartisan process because they are doing a republican only process right now in congress and we need to work through the issues and pass comprehensive immigration reform. this is a crisis that president trump has created himself, chris. >> no question. >> we have the lowest rate of undocumented immigration in modern times right now. we have ramped up border security funding. i'm on the appropriations committee. >> right. >> we've ramped up significantly border security funding. we've got the safest border that we've had in decades if not longer and what the president is doing is terminating programs like the community care program. >> which would have gotten up the rate of people who showed up for their hearings. >> manned cost $36 a day. >> you've got 51% of the people in favor of a wall, politics of perception of what the american people want. my per special is this. it's frightening to me, you men and women of goodwill couldn't

come together to find an immediate fix because it had to be part of the bick err immigration matrix. >> no, the republicans -- the republicans refuse to do that. >> they are in control. i get. >> we can put a bill on the floor tomorrow -- >> but i think you sglud if those win tensions you should do it just so the people in the country know that's where your head and heart are. >> there's legislation filed. speaker ryan could put a bill on the floor that would end the ability for the president to separate children and parents and prevent these children that i shaw today works you know, were -- were really alone and -- and, you know, weren't able to be comforted by their mom or their dad, and many of whom have no idea where they are, are only allowed to talk to them for twice a week for ten minutes at a time. i can talk to my kids every day any time i want to, and these children have been forcibly ripped from their parents, and we could end that practice tomorrow, and it is completely within republican control to be able to do it but they won't. >> is that the kind of hill to die on?

let's see what's done on both sides. >> protecting children and keeping them with their parents is definitely a hill to die on. >> debbie wasserman schultz, thank you for coming on the show to make the case. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. keep us in the loop for what's happening with the kids. >> thank you so much. so president trump loves what maxine waters said about him. he's now lecturing her on civility. he went to a rally in south carolina that may still be going on for ail know where he was saying i'm the victim. attacking maxine waters for being low iq and rallying up his crowd. the question is where does this start to get better? that is a great topic for the great debate ahead. when we were dating, we used to get excited about things like concert tickets or a new snowboard. matt: whoo! whoo! jen: but that all changed when we bought a house. matt: voilà! jen: matt started turning into his dad. matt: mm. that's some good mulch. ♪ i'm awake. but it was pretty nifty when jen showed me how easy it was to protect our home and auto with progressive.

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jennifer granholm and rick santorum. we didn't plan the segment this way but i want to start with what maxine waters said as kind of like the late salvo in this battle that we are fighting, so if we have it ready, let's play it. can we? >> and if you see anybody from that can be net in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you dispatch on them and you tell them they are not welcome anymore anywhere. >> jennifer granholm, fighting fire with fire. you with that? >> you know, i totally get the frustration that you can hear in her voice and she by the way did a follow-up segment to that to camera today. that yesterday's rally. >> we asked her on tonight. >> she's not calling for violence. let me just say this. i completely understand the

frustration that many feil at what is going on at border and feeling like we don't have the controls in any place, shape or form, but put me in camp civility. i think that we can do this in a way that gets the message across that doesn't help donald trump and right now he is -- he is loving this because he ends up trolling her. he is insulting her personally and he's hoping, just hoping, that more democrats follow his cabinet around with iphones and chase them out of restaurants so that he can be the victim. he loves being the victim. he only wants to be the victim, and i don't want to give him that gift. >> so rick santorum, do you agree in as much as jennifer is saying the president loves this? he exaggerated it, right, maxine waters wants them to hurt you. she bert watch out. that's his playing field, right, anger is his reach emotion when

it comes to emotion at the rally in south carolina. he wants people to be angry about what he believes they should reject and this kind of helps him, does it not? >> well, certainly maxine waters' comments helps him but i don't think it helps the public discourse, and, you know, the idea that maxine waters, you know, is alone in her feeling this way, i mean, i think you're seeing, you know, evidence that there are a lot of folks out there on of the left who for a lot of reasons, not just because of immigration. i mean, sarah huckabee sanders was not lead of to red hen restaurant because of immigration. she was asked to leave with policies having to do with gays and lesbians so let's just get this right, that, you know, there's a lot of reasons people on the left are acting frankly as badly as the president acts sometimes and worse i would argue. >> no, no. >> you cannot say -- rick, i mean, with respect, you can't say that people who are not in

positions of huge power, the most powerful person on the earth is equal to everyday people who are frustrated by that person's power and the policies that is are emanating from him. he has caused america to be in the cellar of international esteem. it's an embarrassment and we are all out here exhausted by the daily outrage because every single day there is another thing that is happening where we feel like he has taken our country from us, so, yeah, you better believe that people are from us trade, but no one sets the tone more than the guy at the top. >> i would say in response to your no, no, no, i would say yes, yes, yes. i'm not going to tell my children that they have a lower standard because they are not the president of the united states. i'm going to tell my children and everybody that i interact with that they have a standard because they are, you know, whether they are a christian or whether they are a muslim or just, you know, an american, you have a standard of behavior and because someone else doesn't give you -- >> not someone else. >> hold on.

>> we start acting and even if it's the president, it doesn't allow you the excuse to use the bully tactics yourself. >> here's the problem. >> i'm not saying nag. >> this is northern. we get stuck here a lot in this conversation. you don't do what having a standard requires rick which is to call out when it is not had heard to. you'll say you do it. you'll say you have and then you cause someone like me to do a lot of homework and identify got to tell you something, had a lot of full-throated conversations with had you where you've said donald trump, mr. president, stop making people angry for no reason, stop gratuitously betraying the truth just to get kids to be angry. you have to be bert you're the leader of the country. not once >> you need to look at your transcripts. i criticized -- i just criticized him tonight. >> you encourage him. i don't understand why if it

matters to you. why won't you -- >> i don't think i qualified it at all. i've said the president has used a lot of -- a lot of terms that are bullying that are unfair and not necessarily true. i've been very tough on this president when he -- when he speaks in a way that i think is out of line with want president -- how the president is supposed to act, but i -- but i don't say that that's an excuse for other people to act that way. the reality is that what maxine waters and what donald trump are doing are reflection, unfortunately, of a broad culture that is becoming coarser and it's becoming, you know, less civil. >> and do you think that the president has a responsibility in that dynamic? >> yeah. >> i think -- i think everybody does. >> do you think -- >> don't blame it just on the president. >> as the most -- >> reality tv was here before donald trump. >> right. >> but he is using it to play an advantage and you're making him just a symptom of the situation. do you think he shares more responsibility than the person who owns the red hen restaurant or whatever it's called? >> i think they both have responsibility. >> eke woman responsibility?

>> come on, rick. >> she's the proprietor of that restaurant and she has an obligation to be able to treat customers. if that was someone -- if that was a conservative throwing a liberal out or someone who happened to be gay. >> like the baker. >> you mean like the baker that you guys all got up and celebrated and -- >> that's a fundamental difference, chris. that's a fundamental difference. i said very mointdly and i said it -- when someone walks in and wants to buy a doughnut from the baker they can't say i don't like your kind and throw them how the but that's different than saying is i want for you prepare something usings your artistry to support my -- something that is against your conscience. >> come on, rick. >> exactly the same thing. >> no, it is not the same thing and you are being dishonest intellectually chris if you're saying that and we need to have a discussion on this because that's absolutely intellectually dishonest, chris. >> you're saying when someone bakes a cake it is an artistic expression and like forcing pick so to make a paint nag he fundamentally disagrees with as a matter of faith and if they

come in and say give me a doughnut and i don't want to sell you a doughnut and i'm gay and i'm afraid of you people and i hate you, then that's not hock. >> you have to use your artistic at all tonight make a cake specifically for this occasion which you in conscious disagree with you are cooperating in in a event as opposed to if someone walked if i want -- you like the cake and you want to make it, they -- they should sell it. >> i want to remind you of something. >> it's true. >> it worked for the supreme court. i wish you felt every supreme court decision is true. we know that's not true. let me remind you what president trump has said and i've never seen you be the way you're being right now about the baker and the cake with any of this stuff. play it. >> get them out. try not to hurt him. if you do. i'll defend you in court. don't worry about it. you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato. knock the crab out of him, would you, seriously. like to punch him in the face,

i'll till. i don't know if i would have done well, but i would have been out there fighting, folks. i don't know if i would have done well but i would have been boom, boom, boom, beat the -- >> where is your high dodging now, my brother? what would you do if your son said -- >> i don't like any that have. i don't like any of in a and i've repeatedly said i don't like. president acts on occasion. >> you're not has hot as are you with the baker, you're not as hot -- >> we were engaged in a discussion. >> you're not as hot. >> i any all of -- all of it is wrong, but the reality is that, you know, donald trump is crude and donald trump can be a bill, and i don't like any of that. i wish he didn't do it, and i've said it 100 times on this show and every other show that he would be a much more effective president if he would tone down that rhetoric and focus on the wonderful accomplishments that his administration is doing. >> jennifer, here's the flip challenge for you. i don't know how matching

tactics for somebody who has had enough of trump, right, that's the supposition of the democrats and the resistance movement as they are calling, it we've had enough. if you've had enough of frump, don't you have to be careful about not giving another dose of trump-like tactics? >> absolutely, especially if it's the gift of making trump or sarah huckabee sanders or anybody else look sympathetic. that's a gift. here is what the strategy should be. the strategy should be people -- there is a primary tomorrow. people should be getting people to the polls. if you want to really oppose donald trump, if you feel super passionate, then register people to vote. support organizations that are registering people to vote. protest in the streets. that's totally great peacefully, but -- but individually attacking people i think gives him the what exactly he craves. get people elected. that's the message that he needs to hear.

>> how about saying -- jennifer, how about saying it's wrong? is it instead of -- >> instead of it's a political winner. how about saying it's wrong and we shouldn't be doing this. >> i'm saying t.ry, did you not hear me say i'm in camp civility. don't give him what he wants. i think we should have civil discourse. i think the president should start at the top, but i also think that everybody else should be doing that as well. i don't want this -- this strategy or this tactic to end up backfiring, but i also don't want it to send a message to any of our children that that's how we should be behaving. that's not how we behave in this country and, unfortunately, the president has coarse ended the discourse so much that it has become daily fodder that people are insulting one another >> you know. anger is exhausting, and there is -- >> it is. >> i'm tired of it. >> i know, jennifer. i'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. >> on the right and the left. >> on the right and the left

there is a space for a different message. america has always been motivated at her best by sweet strength, not harshness. we've seen this iteration again and again. it's worked for the left and the right. we may arguably have never had a bert purveyor of this than ronald reagan. i mean, he came at america with an optimism and we're good people. we do good things. that is very missing right now, rick santorum in our politics. that is not what donald trump says except about himself. >> you know what. chris, you need to go to the reagan library, and one of the things in the reagan library is there's a -- some sort of presentation about the media and ronald reagan because the media seems to love ronald reagan. they hated ronald reagan and they vilified ronald reagan and called him every name in the book. to his credit he remained optimistic and never let it the goat him and remained the kind of leader that saw through it, but what donald trump is doing is reacting to what happens to

every conservative which gets into the office. >> you're calling donald trump a conservative. you think donald trump is a conservative, do you really? >> donald trump -- if you can let me finish. >> yeah, you better, you need to add on to that. go ahead. >> donald trump reese administration has the vast majority of issues, follow through with the conservative playbook. there are a couple of exceptions to that, one being obviously tariffs, but by and large if you look at everything else this administration has done on the economy, on national security, on -- on -- even to some degree -- >> what about the deficit? >> not on immigration. >> reagan was like gandhi when it comes to immigration. >> '86 was a mistake, so i disagree. >> that's fine. you can think that now, but if we're going to look back and forth. back then he was loving it. >> in are differences, i agree. >> so was your party. >> trump has been a pretty -- >> tone and tactics and not

their policies and their fact situations. the journey for the journalist is two paths there. you can respect how somebody, is but you can also test on the outcomes of their persuasion, i think that's what happened then and it's certainly going to happen right w. rick santorum, thank you very much. jennifer granholm, appreciate you muscling through. thank you very much. all right. take a look at this guy. we have a special treat for you on a monday. you know who this is? draymond green, one of the world champion golden state warriors. nobody's afraid or unafraid the way this man is on the court or off. i don't even like the way he's walking at me right now. talking about the championship, going to the white house, not going to the white house and the state of affairs in the country with the golden state warrior champ. good to sigh, sir. >> good to see you as well. that's why there's otezla.

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all right. ply next guest has been very busy helping his team win three nba championships in the past four years. golden state warrior draymond green is a tough guy on the

court, and he's tough off the court as well. it's good you have to, sir. >> thanks. >> champ, as it were, three for you, good for you. we were talking a little bit before you started. you win the first one, you're a superstar. the next one you better win it or you're a chump. different pressure for you. how has that changed your mindset about what you bring to your craft? >> well, it changed the way you prepare. you know, you prepare to win a championship -- the first one you're preparing to attack everyone, and so you're always in attack mode. there's always something driving you or pushing you. the second one you're preparing to defend yourself against everyone and trying to keep that mentality of attacking is the challenge. that's how you defend it. that's how you stay on top, but that's the toughest part of it all. >> it sounds exactly like our political culture. it's actually not even a segue. it's a direct parallel. when you look at what's happening right now and the latest round is maxine waters, you know, who she is, congresswoman from congresswoman says i've had enough and i want

you guys to go after -- we've been playing this sound but in case you haven't been watching the show. this is what is maxine waters said that defining the state of play right now. >> and if you say anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a gas line station, in a department store, you get out and you create a crowd and you dispatch on them and you tell them they are not welcome anymore anywhere. >> right message? >> well, what i would say is, you know, especially, you know, as an african-american you understand. i think now as an american you understand the news trace, but i just want to make sure that we're all careful of doing things the right way. continuing to go where our country was headed and not where it's been head over the last year, year and a half, we have to stay mindful that if we want things to change, make sure

we're going about it the right way to effect that change hand not what our mind may tell us initially. >> that's very unsatisfying what you just said. if somebody is angry and i don't like what this person is do, i don't like what they are saying, i've had it. it's time to fight back, you're telling me to take it and there are people on the left and part of this movement that they are calling the resistance movement which i think, by the way, includes your coach, that they don't want to take it anymore. they want to fight back, so how do you sell that as not being soft? >> well, i think you fight back strategically. you know, most of the time you meet force with force which you have to. >> by the way, what you're known for. >> it can go either way. >> absolutely. >> you're no negotiator on the court. your elbows do the negotiating. >> absolutely, but you have to be strategic with it. if you meet someone with words and strategy you'll beat them every time instead of meeting force. because their force may have not

strategy. it's important that we stay strategic and, of course, be forceful, stand up for what you believe in as we all have done, as we all continue to do, but at the same time make sure you're coming with the right strategy and you use that force and it will work. >> if you won again, now, again, you said something interesting that we shouldn't ignore. being african-american matters, gives you a specific set of sensitivities that not every american shares and maybe we're starting to see there's some common themes and there's still unique ones and that loomed large for your team in terms of whether you would go to the white house. if you had to do that again, would you make the same move and say i don't want to go, we're not going to go? >> i know we would make the same decision and not go. you know, it's not about not seeing donald trump or, you know, anything else that goes with it but more so about what we stand for, and -- and in order to effect change you have to stand for; and if you go

about it the same way you do the same things you do if everything was normal, then you won't effect change. we'll use our platform to do that and that's why we opted not to go to the white house because it would just be status quo if we did and how does your voice even matter? >> so he says to deal with the nfl to make it a little bit better because he used that as he -- he weaponized the national anthem situation to make people feel certain things about what it is to be american, and then he says, hey, look, you guys, the african-americans are so upset, give me some people and i'll pardon them. was that a good suggestion? >> it could possibly been just one of those things that you do to make someone be quiet. when i look at that maybe it helps a certain individual or certain few individuals but doesn't help the overall problem. i'm not sure if it does affect

the overall problem. the nfl, it's kind of -- with donald trump and everything -- it's gone a different way. with us, maybe like i said before, we just try to stand for what we believe in. and i think with us we have to give our commissioner a lot of credit. when there's a problem coming he acknowledges it right away. it helps us and powers us as players. they stand with us as players, they allow us to have a voice. i like where we are as a league. i think it's going really well with the climate of our country and i'm pleased with where we are as a lead for sure. >> well, we're still in that tension state, right, where there really is no accommodation being made, it's about being upset on both sides, right, wrong, whatever. identify heard from newcom rus guys in the league say to me, you have to understand, as a black guy trump doesn't look at

me the way he looks at you. i say, do you really believe that? yes, i believe it. i say, you don't think it's politics? does it really means black? they say, yes. do you agree with that? >> you never really know someone's true motivate. i can make my mouth say whatever i want it to say, it's up to you whether you believe it or not. i don't get into how he feels about me as a black man. at the end of the day it's subjective and it doesn't matter. >> what matters to you is what you do with your platform. what is the -- where you show draymond green, he's using his athlete and it makes him do, x? what is x? >> with me, i'm the board of -- and all the commissioners and david lee being everyone of the

tv stations and tv net wornetwo and trying to effect change. ross has done such a great job all over the city and through the country. i think steve ross, when he first decided to do it, are you born racist or are you taught racism? trying to figure that out and answer that question, taking the steps that we need to make, to make our country as good as we can possibly make it. i spend a lot of my time with ross, doing different things with ross and trying to effective chang that way. >> congratulation. thank for being apart of the dialogue. when things come up that matter to you and affect you we want you to come on as conversation in this show. >> thanks for having me. don lemon standing by with cnn tonight just minutes away. what do you think about me with draymond green? i make him look a little small, no? >> it's an impressive young man.

the question he asked, were you born that way or taught that way. that's great. the guy being yelled at, right, in california, being called a rapist because he's mexican and of mexican decent, he's actually an american. where are we going with this? that gentleman who was yelled at by the woman will be here as well. he's going to explain his side of the story and talk about it in a few minutes. chris, we'll see you in just a minute. we got a few thoughts of what's going on. what it means and whether there really is a cure. next. sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid, plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.

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didn't, denying access to the kids, to us as your eyes and ears. whatever you're look at he's not about curing the crisis that has thousands of people's babies in limbo or worse tonight. and that is on trump. so, for those who oppose his efforts, what is the remedy to this sickness? white house officials and orr trump friendly in power getting shamed. kicked out of places by people who had enough of trump. think about the last phrase, who have had enough of trump. if you have had enough of president trump as the answer to boar report his tactics. did maxine waters' words hurt trump. i get it, it's about whether or not what you do help the situation if that is your goal. remember, what america is, at her most vital she exerts sweet strength.

she is numerous by diversity and powerment for all. you need your anti-bodies and the media to multiply your exercise. the endurance training of compromise, i get that atlantic be something like a sugar high from ben jing on anger. those are the emptyist of power. i don't see how any of that is going to be a cure for fever that is getting high by the day. that is all for us tonight. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight," don lemon "the man" starts right now. i get what you're saying, so, what happens if the president is the sugar rush, if he is the candy bar? if he is the high fructose corn sugar that is serving all of this chaos, then what do you do? >> you have