jones talks with senator tim scott at 7:00 followed by the cnn film "american jail" at 8:00. and united shades of america at 10:00. have a great night. thanks for being here. good evening, everybody. welcome to "the van jones" show. we have another amazing show for you to night. first of all, we got the top ranking african-american republican in the united states, senator tim scott is with us tonight on "the van jones show." oh, it's going to be amazing. that's the good part. you know, the tough part is everybody's really still heartsick about these familiar tl -- families that are separated at the border. there are i.c.e. raids going on across the country ripping

families apart even away from the border. a major spokesperson for i.c.e. actually quit his job because he just got tired of having to tell lies for the trump administration about what is going on. tonight we're going to hear from a very courageous person. james schwab is in the building right now. he is speaking out. proud of him. plus, i get back in my van. you watch the show, "van in the van." i do. that once again, this time it's because the supreme court upheld trump's travel ban 3.0. so i want you to hear my conversation in new jersey with pro trump and anti-trump muslims. that's going to be a powerful conversation. first, let's talk. i always say this, but break downs can lead to breakthroughs if you use them right. and the breakdowns are really pretty obvious right now. we got jails for babies in america. jails for babies right now. it has not been resolved. it's just horrific. and, you know, this week has

been tough. you had the supreme court decisions. some of them hurting labor unions. now trump's going to get another appointment to the supreme court. that makes me very, very nervous. but could there be a breakthrough on the way? as bad as things have been, you have to admit that the people's voice has had an impact. it was public outcry that forced trump to back off even a little bit from the worst of those family separation policies. that's a good thing. i wish the supreme court struck down that travel ban. but the fact that he had to go back twice and put forward a watered down version, that speaks to the facts that our courts have power and sway and can reign him in when he goes too far. and finally, if you look at the primary elections, you're finally starting to hear some thunder on the left. you got a whole new generation of young democrats that are fed up. they're storming the stage. last week 28-year-old latina socialist came out november

where and knocked off nancy pelosi's heir apparent. and alexandria cortez is not alone. in maryland, you had the former naacp head ben jealous, he blew away a whole field of establishment democrats and won the gubernatorial primary there. and then the blood red state of idaho, you got a native-american, female democrat, she's bringing together cowboys and indians trying to become the governor of that state. that's inspiring. plus in november, stacy abrams could become first african-american female governor ever if she wins her race in georgia. so what's happening? something's happening. you got some new leaders out there that are able to combine a positive economic message, focusing on the kitchen table issues with a full throated embrace of diversity. you know, trump's populism often divides people along racial lines. these new folks, their populism

is uniting people along racial lines. now if that starts to work, we'll see. we'll see. i don't want to get too excited. we'll see. listen, my next guest is somebody who knows a lot about crossing bou crossing bound riz a crossing boundaries and uniting people. he does it from the other side of the aisle. please welcome to "the van jones show," tim scott on "the van jones show." >> it's an honor. it's an honor. >> thank you. >> very, very good. i got the top guy. i got the top guy. man. first of all, it's an honor to have you here. you are the top ranking african-american republican in the country which means every day for you kind of sucks, right? >> not actually, no. >> it's great. >> it's a good life. >> it's a good life. >> you think where i come from and where i am today, this is a fantastic part. i'm living a major part of my

mother's american dream. she worked 16 hours a day and changi changing bed pans and flipping patients in the hospital. so for me to be on this stage with an ivy league educated individual like yourself, we strongly disagree on most policies, this is an amazing country and an amazing journey that i'm able to take because my mother paid a high price for me to live this life. >> you always speak with so much dignity and so much class. i think that's why people on both sides of the aisle spreres you so much. why is it worth it? i mean you do get beat up from liberals saying you're black and shouldn't be a republican. the republican party has people in it that can be racially incense sieve. why is it worth it to you? >> i wish it were calmer. i wish the seas were calmer. just back to where i've come from is what makes it worth it to me. as a kid growing up in a single parent household, mired in

poverty, disillusion about the future, unable to have any real appreciation for what this country would offer me as a kid, i drifted for several years. i flufrpg-- flunked out of high. for me to be elected in the city where the civil war started speaks so much to progress. it makes it worth it. i believe the best is yet to come. i believe that america will find true norm and that is good news for all of us. >> let's -- part of the reason i want you here is because you're able to maintain that optimism. want to speak to the people that feel differently. >> yes. >> i think people have gone from being disgusted with the republicans for even thinking about donald trump to them being mad at republicans for putting donald trump in power, to now just being afraid. if you're a lesbian, gay, bisexual, transjegender if you' an immigrant or a woman that

maybe our humanity is on the chopping block. what do you say to people who say a lot of people are afraid. >> listen, fear has no party label. the fact of the matter is you look at the provocative history of the democratic party, you'll find very quickly that kkk members were democrats. you'll find that there was amazing things done, great atrocities done by democrats. so if we look at our history from a partisan perspective, we'll find ways and reasons to fear other people. >> but the kkk didn't endorse hillary. the kkk endorsed trump. >> listen, my point exactly. the truth is that both parties have challenges within their party ranks. we could easily talk about mexic maxine waters. >> you have the house. you have the senate. you have the white house. you got the supreme court. and so if there is bias in your party, it can have a much bigger

impact than anything maxine waters has. >> be of good cheer. the facts are there is hyperbolic language being used on both sides that is corrosive and destructive. if you look at the underlying policies that are leading in the positive direction, it's having a positive impact on both black folks, white folks. >> which policies do you point? i got some policies i'm concerned about. but which ones do you point to that you think people should be happier about? >> i think if you look at the last several months as it relates to the economy, it's hard to argue that people aren't better off. 90% of wage earners got an increase in pay. this is a great thing. you'll find people who are optimistic because our unemployment rate is so low. 3.8%. 6.4 million open jobs in america. only six million people looking for work which means there are 400,000 jobs than there are people looking for work. african-american unemployment should be celebrated at the level that it is at right now for the first time in recorded

history, since 1972. >> there's good economic news. i often say i feel like the economy is am coming up. >> i believe we can have score borders without scarring children. >> absolutely. we can enforce the rule of law which we should and keep families detained tokt without any question. i mean, just at an emotional level, isn't there something wrong in the human heart would allow something like this to happen in the first place? >> this is not a new thing. this policy of separating families, parents from their kids is three, four years old. this predates president trump. >> i want to provide clarity on the american people and where i stand and where the vast majority of us have stood on the right and the left which is that we should keep families together. >> the supreme court vacancy coming up. >> i heard about that.

>> you may have heard about that. are there any deal breakers for you? if somebody were sitting, wanted to be a supreme court justice and said i won't commit to preserving marriage equality, do they get your vote? >> listen, as opposed to go through all the hypotheticals, i'm going to wait find out who the candidates are and make recommendations of my own. >> is marital equality something -- >> i don't have a test on a specific issue. i hope the president is open to that. >> he is co-author with you on a book about bringing the country together. >> absolutely. >> he is incredibly fair. republicans were angered -- angry with him because he was so clear even with this administration. democrats were angry with him because he was so clear with the previous administration. a guy that will call balls and

strikes and not choose a side even when he's elected member at this time in our nation's history, that's hard to find. >> listen, people ask you a lot of tough questions. they think that you're fair. people also ask tough questions because you're an african-american if a party that has a trouble history with african-americans. and you yourself have been the target of some pretty nasty rhetoric. i want to play really quickly you on the senate floor. you voted for jeff sessions. and then you got hit with criticism not just because people didn't like jeff sessions, they didn't like you as a black person voting for jeff sessions. >> you are a disgrace to the black race. you are an uncle tom scott. you're for sessions. how does a black man turn on his own? i left out all the ones that use the n word. just felt like that would not be appropriate. >> just talk a little bit about

you as a human being, son of a proud mom, being subjected to that kind of rhetoric in your present position. >> one thing i had to learn to deal with as an african-american who wants to be clear and concise even about my conservative underpinnings is i get tacked on both sides. it is painful. it hurts. anyone who loses the sensations, they have this thick skin where nothing penetrates, that's problematic from my perspective. if i can't feel the sting when it is supposed to sting, if i don't try when it is sad, if i'm not elated when it's good, th that's not a good thing. we become so desensitized to attacks that we cannot relate to those being tacked without a microphone. one of the reasons why i stand up and even one of the articles i said god made me black on purpose. i have the blessing which is a

burden of sometimes being black. this country is not always fair or good to black folk. the truth is that i have to endure at times things others do not have to endure. that makes me more sensitive to people carved outside of opportunity. how i can bring them into the conversation? >> you had this conversation and some conversations like this with president trump. >> yes. >> how do you judge whether you're making progress there? >> how do those conversations go? >> they're hard and painful. they're uncomfortable to sit in the oval office and have conversations with the president you strongly disagree about. he didn't change his perspective. i certainly can't change my perspective. mine is educated by my experience. that helps me. the way it closed gave me reasons to be hopeful. it closed with, tim i don't see

what you see. what can i do to make things better? that was a shocking response. i was surprised after the conversation that his response was help me see a better light. and my answer is always not for him to speak about issues in a way he doesn't believe, but for him to actually do something and our opportunity zone was the outcome of help me help other people, tim. i said support my opportunities on legislation. he said he would and 24 hours later. he was. that allowed the senate to put it into the tax bill. >> we're going to get to that. when we come back, we'll have a lot more to talk about with senator tim scott including his own personal encounters with the police. how that impacts his view on criminal justice and a bunch of other stuff. but before we go to break, there is no question, we have a lot more hostility toward each other in the country because of political differences. republicans lashing out about maxine waters. democrats blaming trump. here's what you have to say

about the lack of civility going on in our country. zblfr civility exactly what we need in this country right now. in my opinion, more than ever before in the history of this country. >> we can't really hurl insults and obscenities at people for your entire campaign and presidency and then when somebody says something that you don't like oh, now you want to wave the civility flag. casual sharing puts teens at risk for a rare,

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i'm with tim scott. before the break, you started talking about something that i want to talk about which is these opportunity zones. i don't think enough people know about these opportunity zones that got put into the tax package. this may be one of the best anti-poverty measures in a generation. talk to us about it and how did you get it done? >> many people may remember jack kemp. he was an amazing energetic optimistic guy that i model a lot of my perspective from a political way around. he created enterprise zones. it was helpful. my motto is opportunity zones is to pbring private sector capita in the distressed communities. 50 million americans live in distressed communities. the ones like i've come from. and so i try to do is model legislation that would tract capital to those areas where the potential is high but the 5:accs

is too low. we're talking about two trillion dollars of capital being deployed. >> coming from where? >> from your capital gains. so those who have the capital gains burden can either pay their tax or defer the tax and invest the dollars long term into poor communities to give more of us a chance to see our dreams come true as well. >> this is rural and urban. >> absolutely. >> appalachian, whatever. how did you do this? did you go to the harry potter school? this is like a magic trick. >> i just always think when you do something hard like that, what did you learn? what was the key to your success on that? >> i have been blessed to have good relationships with folks

like cory booker, senator peters, mike bennett from colorado, all democrats. they're willing to take a second look. there is the senate finance committee. i was able to share with friends on left why this is such a powerful tool to irrad indicate poverty. we should attack poverty and not poor people. >> exactly. that deserves a round of applause. i agree with that. something i want to get to that is coming to ground, criminal justice reform, police reform, prison reform. you gave a speech one time about how you have been stopped, i think, two or three times. >> being stopped seven times as an elected official driving while black. i share that on the senate

floor. people are drig out the truth. got news is that through the advent of cameras everywhere, we found that walter scott in south carolina was shot in the back several times by law enforcement officer who said he didn't do it. when i was driving and pulled eefr, t over, the video was. there i want to validate the concerns and experiences of too many people that look like me and find a way to change that outcome. my personal experience was tragic and hard and not good but so many people lost their lives in some of the circumstances. god made me this way so i could have a shared experience so they can share it in a way that kpelz people to take a second look. >> the republican party seems to be in a little bit of a tug of war with itself over the question of criminal justice

reform. jeff sessions says we need more prisons. you also have a lot of reformers in your party. where do you fall in this sort of -- you know, reform versus more of the same? >> we closed six state prisons. we dropped population from the estimation around 30,000 down to about 19,000. crime has gone down in our state. there is a responsible way of using those that are incarcerated. is there a way to bring that number down significantly and reward people enkaincarcerated? the answer is yes. you can use a based system to bring numbers down significantly that public is safer. the person let out has a healthier, better life and job training, ged, there's a lot of ways to do it.

>> we're going to fight where where he disagree and we should. but where we agree, we should work hard together. you wrote a book about this idea of bringing people together. >> the love of my life is seeing people come together. i've been blessed because black folks and white folks who saw potential in me that i could not see in myself helped excavate it. our country seems to be at our best when we recognize our diversity as a strength, as opposed to moving towards a tribal nation where we recognize the diversity as weakness. we talk about our healthy relationship with democrats and about her re-election bid. but tulsy gaver who flew to charleston after the murders --

>> from hawaii. >> to spend time with me because we're such good friends. i wanted her there with he many. she is not a christian. she is a progressive democrat. she said, yes. she came into the church environment and praised the good lord like she was a christian because love dissipates hate in its purest form. >> yeah. >> i saw that happen. >> look, i just appreciate you so much. you're making the journey more beautiful for everybody. i'm honored to have you here. i appreciate you being here, buddy. >> thank you very much. >> when we come back, i'm back in my van. this time i'm going to patterson, new jersey. it's a home of the largest muslim population in the country. i'm going to speak to a group of muslim americans about trump's travel ban and whether they think that trump's rhetoric is directly responsible for the increase in hate crimes against muslims in our country. going take you there when we get back.

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for a complete and total shutdown of all muslims entering the u.s. hate crimes against muslims in the united states have spiked a great deal since his election. according to the fbi, those attacks rose by 19% in 2016. so i got back in my van and i traveled to patterson, new jersey. i wanted to hear directly from the people who live there. how are they dealing with this stuff? and i want you to hear directly from them. take a look. >> all right. new jersey. here we come. we're driving through pat evete, new jersey. it is the second largest population of muslims in the united states. >> welcome. >> how are you? >> nice to meet you. >> good. >> hello. how are you? >> very good.

>> what's up, man? >> how are you? >> what does it mean to be a muslim in trump's america? >> i was walking down the street and a guy just saw me and is like oh, like, i can't believe you're covered like this. he's like oh, that's why trump should ship you all back out. ship me back where? you know, i've been raised here. i'm a u.s. citizen just like you. we just want equal rights. he gave the green light for people to act that way. it's because you makes it seem like it's okay. and it's not. >> he's trying to clash people against each other. i think he's putting us in two groups. >> how do you think he's putting people in groups? zblp wh . >> when you're trying to label people with one single brush and saying all mexicans are rapists. all muslims are bad, no the a few. i think this is a problem. that is unacceptable.

>> i think it's beyond trump. i grew up being muslim in this country, being the only muslim in the entire school district. i've been beaten up. i've been screamed at. i've gotten every single epithet in the book. >> you're a muslim trumper. i think people might be surprised to hear that. why as a muslim would you support somebody like donald trump who seems to be tough on muslims? >> well, take it this way. for the past multiple administrations, we have had a lot of lip service towards muslims. and then a whole bunch of firepower levied on top of muslims. if you look at what we've had to deal with post 9/11, i think this is really a phenomenon of post 9/11 regardless of whether it was a republican or a democrat administration, we've been demonized. >> one of the main demonizers is donald trump. isn't that true? >> i don't think donald trump is a demonizer. i don't think he is helping. but i think the demonization comes from the media. i mean, think about this. on a daily basis, all you see is terrorism. you never see the good things that muslims are doing in this country. think about hollywood for the last 20, 30 odd years.

outside of the big six, name one move yif that portrays muslims in some sort of favorable light. >> don't you think that donald trump coming in day one in office or even when he launched the campaign, did not know that the values of the country should not permit him to say what he -- like what he was saying? >> i think donald trump wasn't the type of leader that you're accustom to. >> there's a lot of things that the post donald trump era that became normal. we normalize bigotry. >> we haven't normalized bigotry. >> she just said it. >> george w. bush went out of his way to make sure, he said, i'm not against all muslims. this is not about islam. trump says, islam hates us. >> right. >> that has to bother you, doesn't it? >> no. it's irritating. but, you know, it's the same problem that we've had for a period of time. >> you have to realize like what it is doing to our youth. so many kids are getting attacked in school and bullied in school.

it's no the okay. it's becoming normal. it shouldn't be normal. >> the question is, is there an impact of the rhetoric that trump started when he started his campaign? the answer is yes. we cannot deny that. we're trying to tell donald trump that you need to be the president for all americans including muslims. >> it has nothing to do with speaking about people. obama spoke about muslims, fine. he bombed the living hell out of them. >> i remember whether he did the travel ban on muslims. you automatically want to ban muslims from the different countries. you're already assuming that all the countries have terrorists and all the muslims are terrorists. that's not true. we're all imgrajmigrants. donald trump's family came from a different country as well. >> my father was sponsored by a steel company in the '60s. that's how a lot of muslims came to america. >> hold on a second. you're pointing out that a lot

of muslims came to the united states. they were engineers. they did a good job. a lot of those people with the muslim ban were not even allowed to come to the country. they were literally in air, in the mid air and weren't allowed to come in. >> that was for 8% of the population. it was roughly eight countries where they didn't have paperwork. >> whenever a white guy shoots up anything, they talk about mental health issues. black guy shoots somebody, then, you know, he must be a thug. muslims shoot somebody, it is a terrorist. how does that land with you guys? how do you think about that when you see -- >> horrible. but it's reality. >> i think the saddest story i heard is that a teacher actually had a kid who was 11 years old to get up in the middle of a class and tell her she asked him to speak to everyone about isis. and the mother came to us in the center and crying. she was crying that her son had to be the spokesperson for isis.

and it just tells you the kind of reality that muslim community is living in right now. >> the thought process here which is a flawed thought process is that if you know about your religion, you'll be able to say something against this type of a thing when in all reality, i mean, there is very few people well equipped to sit there and take apart isis. >> you wouldn't ask a christian kid to stand up and talk about the kkk. >> i think one of the things we have to think about is we're living in an age post 9/11 where the onus is upon us as american muslims to basically tell people who we are so that they're not afraid of us. >> so you're a young woman. and you're covered. why not just take it off? i mean, it seems like it causes all kinds of problems. and, you know, maybe your life would be a little easier if you just wore a baseball cap. >> it's actually easier said than done. this year i make 11 years

wearing the hajab. i'm very proud of it. it's part of me. i feel like it makes me who i am. so for me to just take it off, i feel naked, literally. people say oh, you're so oppressed and covered. no, it's not. i chose to wear it. >> we need to be reminded with the values that at this country was built on. i think the value has the best protection for us. it has the tolerance that we're looking for, the acceptance that we're looking for. and only if we're reminded with these values are we going to be able to live with one another in harmony. >> coming up, we're going to be talking to a former i.c.e. agent who quit because of the lies coming out of the trump administration about this issue. we'll hear his story and get insight from the immigration crisis from the front lines. that's next. does this map show the peninsula trail?

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so the immigration debate has people passionate on both sides. you have i.c.e. agents raiding homes. that is provoking a big backlash. people are calling for an abolishment of the agency. president trump doubling down saying we need law and order.

but what is i.c.e. actually? why is it so polarizing? i made a little explainer video to answer those questions. take a look. in congress, i'll work to close i.c.e. down. >> i think i.c.e. should be abolished. >> we must abolish i.c.e. >> a new group is calling for a complete shutdown of i.c.e. it stands for immigration, customs enforcement. the purpose is to enforce already existing federal laws on border control, customs, trade, and immigration. that means i.c.e. deals with everything from processing certain daca applicants to detaining and deporting people at the border who cross illegally, to investigating international cyber crimes, smuggling rings, even art theft. i.c.e. was created in 2003 in response to 9/11. it falls under the department of home land security. the agency employs 20,000 workers in all 50 states and 48 countries around the world.

immigration used to be considered mainly a legal matter. now to some it's become an issue of national security. the government used to treat an undocumented immigrant like a simple lawbreaker. but now they're lumped in with suspected terrorist and treated as potential threats. >> they can be killers. they can be thieves. >> i.c.e. launched a program called operation end game its mission, get rid of all undocumented, deportable immigrants and suspected terrorists within ten years. well, that obviously didn't happen. but deportations increased since the agency was created. arrests of undocumented workers during raids have more than tripled in the past year. >> shut down i.c.e.! >> i.c.e. critics say the agency has too much power, not enough ov oversight and weakens our civil liberties. president trump and law mablgers want the agency to get even bigger. so our next guest worked as an

i.c.e. agent for three years. he quit because he was fed up with the false statements coming from the trump administration about this issue. james schwab was a spokesperson in the san francisco division. he joins us right now. i'm really proud to have you here. >> thank you. >> you know, it tauz a lkes a l courage to walk away from a good job and even more courage to speak out before. we get into your story and what you observed, do you think that i.c.e. should be abolished or shut down? how do you respond to some of these calls for your former agency to go away? >> yeah. it just doesn't make sense to me. immigration enforcement is important, both sides agree on that. and if you get rid of it, then what? you need something there. >> you have people saying they're all kind of thugs. they hate everybody. they're pulling families away. is that your experience in in terms of the people who front line work for i.c.e.? >> no. i've seen some extreme examples of that happening. but typically that's not the

case. these are parents themselves. i know people aren't sympathetic to deportation officers. but they have a rough time with this too. and i think more so under this administration. >> donald trump says that primarily people coming across that border, you know, they're criminals. they're very violent people. what's your view? it is your view that the majority of the people coming across the border fit that description? >> refugees typically come from central america, honduras, el salvador, that area. those are very dangerous countries. people are taking their children and trekking all across mexico. that is also a dangerous area, through deserts and into the united states. that -- those people are not dangerous criminals. they're looking for safety. and they see america as a beacon of hope and safety for them. >> why did you decide to quit? i know the trump administration said that somebody was leaking to the mayor and that the mayor was alerting people. and then after that, you quit.

tell us that story. help us understand why you decided to resign. >> right. so there was an operation upcoming called operation keep safe. that operation was to send a political message that we are going to enforce immigration law in the bay area in northern california regardless of the politicians' efforts to stop i.c.e. from doing that. days -- a day before the operation started, the oakland mayor made an announcement which surprised us that the operation was taking place the next day. >> so you wake up, this has been announced. you didn't quit over that. tell the rest of the story. >> so the director made some statements on ""fox & friends"" about the 800 people that were not -- that were still at large because of the oakland mayor. then the attorney general comes to sacramento and he says -- he repeats the same thing. 800 people were at large. 800 criminals were at large because the oakland mayor

notified them. >> you're saying they may be undocumented but they were not dangerous criminals. >> they're not dangerous criminals. second of all, we would have never arrested 800 people ever. we don't -- we haven't arrested that many during an operation in northern california that i know of ever. and to say that every single one of those people banded together and left a day before the operation started just didn't even make sense. once i started getting e-mails and calls from reporters saying how can this be true? i contacted my headquarters and shockingly to me they told me to deflect all of those questions. that's a big hit not only that hit me because i'm asked to perpetuate a lie for the first time in my 17 years in government. but also my credibility as a public affairs officer, that is all a spokesperson has is their personal credibility. and so that was a big factor in this as well. how can i stand there in front of the media and tell them this

lie? >> yeah. you're just now speaking out and something very interesting happened to you in your first television interview. i want to show what the department of home land security did in the middle of your interview at your house. take a look. >> why are you here? >> i came to speak with you about that. >> is this about the incident? >> are you going to call me? >> we're in his home. >> i'm talking to him. this is confidential. >> what is that about? >> they just said they wanted to talk to me about the leak with the oakland mayor. >> how did that feel? >> shocking. it just seemed like two thugs coming to the door and threatening me. they didn't have any paperwork. they didn't have anything. and they didn't even tell me what they wanted to talk to me about until the reporter came to the door. >> so, you know, were you responsible for the leak to the mayor? >> absolutely not. i never spoke to libby shaft. i haven't spoken to her staff. i have nothing to gain from

leaking something to a mayor about an operation that i'm supporting. >> did you feel intimidated? >> absolutely. my parents were there. they were very shaken. my partner is there. it was really -- yeah. >> why are you still talking? i mean, you might consider not talking anymore. you are going to -- >> no. >> you are going to shut up now? >> absolutely not. >> why not? >> no special agent is going to keep me from talking. i did nothing wrong. someone needs to stand up and say this is wrong. you crossed the line. why don't you take responsibility for it just like any other person would? just say i messed up. but they double down on it afterwards. president trump and sat in the white house and even inflated the numbers to over 1,000. and then made this story that all these people that the oakland mayor went out and made

this rally cry and all the people gathered together and caravanned out of the bay area. that's insane. that's insane. >> well, listen, you're bringing sanity back to our country. i appreciate you. i applaud your courage and candor. this idea of integrity is something that i think every profession has to hold on to in a moment like this and you're doing that. i appreciate you very much for being here. really means a lot to have you here. thank you for your courage. you know, when we get back. thank you for your courage. when we get back, a real tragedy in pittsburgh and puts the situation between policing and race and america front and center. ♪ ♪ wake up early, o. ♪ slap on some cologne ♪ i'm 85 and i wanna go home ♪ ♪ just got a job ♪ as a lifeguard in savannah ♪ ♪ i'm 85 and i wanna go home ♪ ♪ dropping sick beats, they call me dj nana ♪

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antoine rose, african-american, shot and killed by a police officer in east pittsburgh. it happened during a traffic stop. rose ran away unarmed. the officer shot him three times, including ones in the back. immediately afterwards the family began to rally. but you have another family permanently separated from their kid by this tragic death. the community has been standing up, they've been rallying. they finally got a little bit of justice. the prosecutors are now charging the police officer saying what he did was wrong, saying what happened was unlawful. that's a good first step. the truth is that it's very rare officers in these situations ever get charged, even more rare that they get convicted. we don't know how this thing is going to ultimately turn out. this incident has reignited that national conversation we need to have about race, about policing.

the reality is we have to take a hard look at all of our systems, immigration system and policing system. black people in this country use illegal drugs essentially at the same right as white folks but african-americans for the same crime, overpoliced, oversentenced, overincarcerated for doing the same thing. that's also ripping families apart and it needs to change. in the next hour here on cnn we will be taking a much closer look in a special film called "american jail." you will not want to miss this film. please stay tuned. i'm van jones. this is "the van jones show. thank you for watching and peace and love for one another. ♪

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