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north korean leader. images that come as u.s. intelligence officials now say that kim jong-un has no intention of giving up his nuclear weapons. which is the exact opposite of what president said. and the white house responds to the new evidence, the images today, with this. >> we aren't going to confirm or deny any intelligence reports. what i can tell you is that we're continuing to make progress. >> and so is north korea. they're making progress on thirst weapons program. we just have some of the new evidence that we know about to show you. take a look at these satellite images. they appear to show the expansion of a key ballistic missile manufacturing site. this expansion was taking place actually at the time that president trump was meeting with kim for that storied summit in singapore. so let's just show you here. this was the image on april 1st. okay? then you have the summit and everything else. this is three days ago. so you can see the big shift there. the summit, of course, was june 12th. then there are some other satellite images showing

infrastructure improvements around some of pyongyang's nuclear facilities. when you zoom in, you can see them a little bit better. the president's national security adviser says, though, don't worry about it. >> there is not any starry eyed feeling among the group doing this that we're -- we're well, well aware of what the north koreans have done in the past. >> john bolton may be and many others around the president may be, but the president sure is not acting like he is aware and he is sending starry eyed and factually incorrect tweets and messages. remember this tweet, quote, there is no longer a nuclear threat from north korea? that was, of course, just a couple of weeks ago. this one, no more nuclear testing, rockets flying all over the place, blew up launch sites. to top it all off surrounded by his cabinet, the president said something that was untrue. >> they've already blown up one of their big test sites, in fact it was four.

>> the defense secretary had to say it was not four. the evidence is showing when you look at the nuclear program the opposite may be happening. you don't have to go back very far to know that the norm is for north korea to say one thing, to get aid or help or whatever it may be and do another thing. back in 2005, kim jong-un's father promising he was, quote, committed to abandoning all nuclear weapons. sound familiar? 13 months later, we saw north korea's first nuclear test. in 2012, just months after kim jong-un himself took over, he agreed to freeze his nuclear program and let inspectors in. within a month, he was threatening to launch a satellite, ending the deal. of course he's done multiple nuclear tests since then. so if none of that is enough to convince president trump that there are some issues here, maybe this will do it. maybe he can remember north korea's own propaganda video shows the destruction of both new york city and washington, d.c. jim sciutto is out front. jim, obviously u.s. intelligence coming out. we've got new images and they are, well, coming out is the

wrong word, which you're going to talk about in a moment, but we now know that the u.s. intelligence has come to a very different conclusion than the president on north korea. >> one that sharply contrasts with the president's characterization of the situation. characterization of the progress. this defense intelligence agency report finds, and this is an agency that uses satellite data, human intelligence, electronic intercepts. it finds that north korea has no intention of completely giving up its nuclear program and might, in fact, be making plans to attempt to deceive the united states. in other words, not reveal the true extent of the number of warheads it has or the nuclear facilities it has. the satellite photos we have up on the screen right now, these are an additional piece of evidence. this comes from a private sector company showing building at a missile facility. in fact, this building taking place around the very time of that summit in singapore between trump and kim. quite an affront to the u.s. president from the north korean leader. and then two days ago, you had a report in "the washington post" that there is intelligence that

north korea might have a third undisclosed facility for making the material that is the basis for nuclear bombs. so not just showing that north korea has not made progress in terms of denuclearizing, but in fact, the opposite, there might be some backsliding here. >> when i said this report, it was leaked, and that's hugely significant. >> it is. because keep in mind, you know, the president has dismissed the view of the u.s. intelligence committee -- community, rather, on several key national security threats. just last week he continued to question the intelligence community's assessment that russia interfered in the election. of course, that goes back a couple of years. he dismissed the intelligence community's assessment that iran was complying with the nuclear deal. now you have intelligence that contradicts what the president says -- what the president wants from north korea. typically i've been covering the intel community, national security community for some time. when a report like this comes out like this, it's because there is concern among officials

who have seen that report that the president might be going a different way. one that contradicts the facts on the ground. >> and so they choose to leak it because he's not listening. it's a pretty stunning thing. thank you very much, jim sciutto. i want to go now to gordon chang. author of "nuclear showdown: north korea takes on the world." thanks very much to both of you. gordon here with me. let me start with you. you know, look, we've heard the president and all the things that he said and tweeted. we see the images where north korea, at least in some places, appears to be bolstering or building up sites that have nuclear capability. even as the president of the united states says they're not a threat. are you surprised? >> not really surprised. you know, clearly this undercuts the president's fundamental assumption that north korea has made a strategic decision. you know, a lot of people say and they're probably right that kim just played president trump. the other thing, of course, is that maybe kim doesn't control his military. there is some evidence of that,

you know, we've seen all the high-level reshuffling in the north korean military. the defense minister out in the top two posts in the korean people's army, those were changed. also last week we learned of the execution of a lieutenant general. this shows that kim may not be in full command. whatever the story is, erin, it says to us that the president's policy isn't going for work because his assumptions are 100% wrong. >> dave, you've been looking at these images and you know what your seeing more than anyone watching. more than any laypeople like us. how significant is what you see happening in these images? >> well, you know, mid last year kim jong-un inspected the chemical material institute and they showed kim what they were producing at that site and they told them that they were going to expand it. the imagery shows that they have expanded the site to the significant proportion that they did. >> when you say significant proportion, that's what you're

saying -- it's not -- it's not a minor thing. it is a serious improvement? >> right. this is a large i crease in the capacity to develop composite materials for their ballistic missile program. >> that's pretty incredible, gordon. saying a large increase in the ability to develop composite materials required. "the washington post" and jim is reporting, right, that they're also looking at ways to conceal. not just to build up but conceal, not just the weapons they have but also the production facilities. you remember when trump said, i do trust him? to kim. >> the president was very clear. and so was secretary of state pompeo a week ago saying, look, you know, kim has made this decision to just give up his arsenal. you know, if that's indeed the case, policy decisions that the administration has made in the last two weeks sort of makes sense, but if, you know, kim hasn't made that decision and it's clear that he hasn't given all of this -- >> yeah. >> then our policies are deeply misguided and -- >> so, dave, there is also the question of what do we know and

what do we, you know, not know, right? the national security adviser john bolton, who has been a huge hawk on north korea, obviously now trying to temper his words a bit given his boss' point of view. said yet that north korea could disarm within a year if they chose to do so. here is how he put it. >> we have developed a program. i'm sure that secretary of state mike pompeo will be discussing this with the north koreans in the near future about, really, how to dismantle all of their wmd and ballistic missile programs in a year. >> dave, the secretary of state mike pompeo said 2 1/2 years, but, you know, what's your sense? i mean, how big is this program that we're talking about right now? >> the program's fairly large. there are a lot of sites we don't know about and many sites that are deep underground in underground facilities that are hardened to protect them from strikes. so i think a year is a bit optimistic. probably looking at over two years. it's a fairly large program. the north koreans aren't

probably willing to, you know, give up everything in an accelerated time period. it's going to involve a lot of trust building on both sides. if we were to reach some kind of agreement, which i don't think we ever really did, it would probably be more than a jeer. >> dave, it sounds like what you're also saying is the whole premise of an agreement would be somehow on solve level trusting them when they tell us this is a list of what they have, it's actually true. sounds like what you're saying they could give us a list and we would not know if it were true and there are a lot of ways they can hide and conceal. >> that's absolutely right. but any negotiation of this nature, there is a little bit of trust that is going to be involved in it and definitely a lot of vetting by the intelligence community to make sure we haven't missed anything. >> what do you make of the significance of what he was saying, that the intelligence community leaked this? >> clearly they do not trust what the president was saying and what they think the president is going to be doing. right now trump i think has an obligation to talk to the

american people. he hasn't been bashful talking about the benefits of this summit. he needs to say to the american people, look, we've got this information, this is what we're going to have to do. i think the administration is going to have to go to the maximum pressure campaign. >> by the way, hearing about another summit here in new york around the u.n. >> this is completely stunning. it is wrong to talk about a second meeting between trump and kim. that gives even more legitimatization to kim. certainly bolsters his regime even more than the june 12th summit. he has yet to make a commitment to give up his weapons? this is really, really wrong. clearly, you know, the big problem in the june 12 summit is that, look, they were going to have that meeting, give kim all the benefits and trump came away with very little and we're going to do the same thing in september? i just don't understand it. >> now, of course, we have images and the u.s. intelligence community's assessment itself showing that what the president said, at least at this moment,

is not what is actually happening. thank you both very much. next, michael cohen. sounds like a man who is ready to turn. why send the message, though, on national tv? plus, the president today meeting with four supreme court candidates. reportedly intrigued by the idea of a woman. we're going to talk to the man who is advising the president on this most crucial decision. and they're alive. 12 kids and their coach who have been trapped in a cave found after nine days. >> we're coming. stay tight. many people are coming. (vo) we came here for the friends.

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that you'd ever sent. the fbi really gets your attention. the other thing that gets your attention, harry knows this as a defense lawyer. your lawyer says, okay, if you're prosecuted and you're convicted your sentencing guidelines are 60 months in prison. the guy is like, what, i don't want to go to prison for 60 months. that's when the loyalty talk stops and the self-preservation gene kicks in. that's what appears to be happening here. >> april, the white house is not responding publicly. is there any chance, though, that the president did not hear cohen's message loudly and clearly? >> oh, he heard it. most definitely he heard it. jeffrey toobin is right. this is about self-preservation. this is beyond political and i guess legal ease. this is a street game.

president trump came out a few weeks ago and said, you know, he did very little work for me, he's not my attorney anymore. basically throwing him under the bus. michael cohen understanding who this president is said, okay, i've got to protect myself, i've got to survive. according to one of my republican sources who is very close to this administration says michael cohen has sex, lives and videotape. this administration really needs to be concerned about this. i think about michael cohen's relationship with the president. he goes way back with the president. michael cohen even introduced pastor daryl scott to donald trump and who is now in the white house and everybody loves him, to include jared kushner. they go way back. michael cohen had a role and the white house needs to be very concerned. >> are yeaharry, we learned pros investigators cohen today got 1 million documents.

cohen's got this new attorney and once this person takes over, this joint agreement that cohen had with the president where they get to share all the information is over. >> right. >> when that happened with michael flynn, michael flynn flipped, michael flynn turned. is that's what's going to happen here? >> it's a pretty good consideration that's at least being strongly considered. we can assume the new defense team for cohen is going to begin those discussions about cooperating, just for the reasons that jeffrey said a moment ago, for self-preservation. you know, he's already publicly distancing himself from the president on a number of different fronts, even some -- >> in terms of timing here then, it would seem like we're pretty close, right? imminent. >> yeah. >> i don't know how you would define that word. >> i think so. i mean, you have -- the government had enough information to get a search warrant of a lawyer's office. that's very hard to do. now in addition to all that evidence, they have this new harvest from the search warrant so the case is opnly getting

stronger. >> we need to be careful talking about, you know, the case. i don't know what michael cohen did that's unlawful. that's what's weird about this. yes, there is the possibility of an election law violation. >> stormy daniels payment. >> that's not the kind of -- those cases are very rare. i don't know what the underlining crime is. much less any -- >> could it be something with a taxi m ta taxi medallion, for example? we'll be soft on this if you give us your boss. >> that's correct. i don't know what it could be with taxi medallions either. we need to be fair to michael cohen and also the president because i don't know what evidence cohen has on the president. one step at a time here. >> yes. although as you point out, to get that warrant itself is a huge statement in and of itself. >> it is. it is. >> april, the shift we see, harry referred to it, things that cohen is turning on his boss policy wise.

let's just remember the way cohen used to talk about the president. >> i will use my legal skills within which to protect mr. trump to the best of my ability. >> i'll do anything to protect mr. trump. i'm obviously very loyal and very dedicated to mr. trump. >> for the russia investigation to a whole lot of other things, right? he doesn't agree with witch hunt as a word to describe the special counsel investigation, april. obviously that goes against the president he's condemned the president's policy of separating families at the border. he told abc, quote, i will not be a punching bag as part of anyone's defense strategy. i am not a villain of this story. he's seizing every chance here to directly or indirectly take the opposite point of view of his boss. >> you know, that loyalty was yesterday. today is the fact, again, going back to what jeffrey said, self-preservation. i mean, he's making it clear who he is standing for. himself basically. then his family and then this country. but he's got information. he's probably already starting to talk to the mueller team

about it. this is a big deal. for him to be the president's personal attorney and very close to the president for a number of years and to turn, this is -- you don't know what will come out. jeffrey's right, we can't speculate, but when you seize tapes, when you find out about payments to a porn star and to other people -- >> yeah. >> you know, there could be a lot of wire fraud. it could be a lot of different things. but there is something there. there is a lot of smoke there. we're trying to find out when it clears what it actually on the table. something could actually be on the table and he wants to make sure that he is telling it is not loyal to the president to save his own skin. >> jeffrey, here's the thing, when george asked him about a couple of topics, did he know about the meeting in trump tower, did the president know about it. >> right. >> and about stormy daniels. michael cohen has spoken to many of us off the record about that. he didn't want to answer specific questions. he told george, i want to answer one day, i will answer. that's what he's saying on the

record. what does it tell you that these two things are off limit? >> he wouldn't tell george anything about the underlying facts. remember how different the story has been about stormy daniels. at first the story was michael cohen out of the goodness of his own heart became the first lawyer in american history to pay a damage judgement for his client. which was palpably absurd. >> without talking about it or expecting reimbursement. >> then the story change. >> could the reason for disbarment for that alone? >> i mean, it certainly pers investigation under the disciplinary -- but apparently it didn't happen. that's the thing that is so weird. what happened was trump paid him back, at least according to rudolph giuliani. who knows what really happened here. the story has, shall we say, evolved. >> harry? >> there is a trail of money that needs to be followed. it is about a trail of money. period. >> there are a lot of unanswered questions but it does seem like he's pivoted towards

cooperation. perhaps he's also hoping that the president is listening and considering a possible pardon one day. we know the president gets excited by using his pardon power but it definitely seems as if he wants to go in and talk to the government. now he has to not only tell the reporters that, he has to tell the prosecutors that, too. >> all right. thank you all. next, president trump speeding towards a prime time supreme court announcement. of course. but why won't the white house answer a very simple question about roe v. wade? and democrats demanding an end to i.c.e. are they playing completely into trump's hands on this one? ♪ you shouldn't be rushed into booking a hotel. with expedia's add-on advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage.

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that will be made over the next few days. >> kaitlan collins is out front at the white house. kaitlan, what is the latest about who those people are. >> reporter: the white house, erin, is keeping a tight lid exactly who it is the president is meeting with. they don't want there to be a lot of media speculation about who the president has met with from that list of 25 people that he said he's going to choose from a list they used for the neil gorsuch nomination but updated last fall. the president there saying he did meet with four people. the press secretary, sarah sanders, declining to say if any of those were women, but we do have sources telling cnn that the president is increasingly interested in picking a woman to feel -- to fill anthony kennedy seat. that's because of several reasons, but two of those are at that the president believes that could appeal to women voters ahead of the midterm sos they believe they could stave off a blue wave some have predicted is coming. also because the president thinks it could appeal to the

two crucial republican votes, senator lisa murkowski and susan collins. the height of speculation in the last couple of days because a razor thin margarin on who is going to vote for this. certainly that's something that the president has been thinking about. the president is imagining, can you imagine having a woman on the supreme court that he has nominated? a conservative woman, of course, erin. but the said he's interviewed four. likely to interview two or three more. he's going to make his announcement next monday. clearly, erin, what we take away from this process is that is it moving very, very quickly. it was just last wednesday that anthony kennedy announced his retirement. erin? >> speed is of the essence for the president. kaitlan, thanks. out front now, leonard leo. he's an influential adviser to the president on judicial nominations. spoke to him on the day justice

kennedy retired. obviously very important through the selection process. leonard, thank you so much for your time tonight. i want to get straight to this. we understand these meetings have been 45 minutes or so. he's met with four candidates for this vacancy and might meet with two or three more. is there anything you can tell us about who he's met with? obviously there was an original list of 25 and this is obviously significantly smaller than that for this finalist group? >> well, i think many of the names that are floating around already, brad cavanaugh, amy barrett, tom hardiman, melissa par. those are people who are pretty reliably out there on the short list and are folks that the white house counsel don mcgahn would want to screen and interview and the president possibly interview as well. >> let me just cut to the heart of this. there is the whole question, obviously he wants someone who is conservative. that's the definition of what he's looking for and the defense of his list, but when it comes

to roe versus wade, today in a press briefing sarah sanders le fused to answer if roe v. wade is settled law. does the president of the united states consider it to be settled law? >> i've never talked to him about it. he's never asked me about abortion or roe v. wade. when the list was being put together, no candidate was talked to, no question was ever asked of them. he's never asked the question of any supreme court candidate during the interviews. i don't know whether he thinks roe v. wade is settled law. i think that what any very good candidate for the supreme court would believe and say is that it's a major precedent of the court and one has to struggle with precedents and figure out whether or not you keep them or whether or not you adjust them. >> now, during the campaign, you say you haven't talked to him specifically about abortion, which i think is interesting. he didn't bring it up to you. he didn't ask you about it. but, of course, as you know, leonard, and i know, he has

promised during the election -- it was a campaign promise that his judges would be pro-life. he said it would be a factor. here he is. >> i know you're opposed to abortion. how important is that issue to you now when president trump picks supreme court justices? would that be a litmus test? >> it is. >> do you want to see the court overturn roe v. wade? >> if we put two or perhaps three more justices on, that will happen and that will happen automatically, in my opinion, because i am putting pro-life justices on the court. >> i'm pro-life. the judges will be pro-life. >> so leonard, has he changed his mind? he's very, very clear there, right? they're going to be pro-life and it's going to be overturned. >> you know, i can't speak to what he said during the campaign. i can tell you what i said before, which is that, you know, he's never asked this question of a nominee. we've never discussed it. the other thing i would say is it's very dangerous territory to try to game out where a nominee is going to end up.

people have been trying to do that for 30 years beginning with the nomination of sandra o'connor. every single time they've ever been wrong. there is only one justice on the court, clarence thomas, who said he wants to overturn roe. there is a lot of speculation of what's going on here. >> he was very explicit. sometimes when you get the job you realize you need to be more careful with what you say and be careful what you wish for. people familiar with the search, leonard, told us that the president is intrigued, that's the word, intrigued about picking a woman and increasingly so. what do you think? is that something he's brought up to you? has he talked specifically about gender? >> he hasn't talked to me about it, but, look, i think it's very important that we have women models in the law who stand firmly for the idea that judges should interpret the law as it's written. i don't think it's a major

factor in this election process, but there are a couple of extremely qualified women, amy barrett, for example, who is under consideration, is probably one of the most talented and distinguished female law professors in the country. she's certainly one of the best originalists in terms of interpreting the constitution as it's written and understood by 9 the framers. so i think it's appropriate that someone like that be considered. >> leonard, i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you very much. next, calls growing tonight to just get rid of i.c.e. completely. is that really the answer to the immigration problem, to just get rid of i.c.e.? and alarm on the u.s. border with canada. why are more americans being stopped and interrogated on the u.s. side for no apparent reason? >> it's kind of an intimidation tactic, i think. 58,007 steps.

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great and brave men and women of i.c.e., do not worry or lose your spirit, you are doing a fantastic job of keeping us safe by eradicating the worst criminal elements. so brave the radical left dems want you out. next it will be all police. zero chance. it will never to happen. quote, crime would be rampant and all controllable if democrats got what they wanted. "outfront" now, friend of the president's for 15 years. former republican gubernatorial candidate in new york. and joan walsh, national affairs corporate. joa -- correspondent. joan, president trump is happy to take on this issue. you've got chuck schumer, bernie sanders, they're not jumping on this train. >> right. >> are democrats making a mistake politically? >> well, as you just said, it's not democrats generally, it is a portion of the party. i happen to be in that portion of the party, erin.

i think that i.c.e. was kind of the product -- it was a shotgun marriage right after 9/11 in a panic over the 26 men who -- terrorists who got into our country and murdered 3,000 americans. it put together two agencies that didn't necessarily belong together. now it has made what has happened using these people to take lawful law-abiding undocumented immigrants out of country has frightened whole communities, but it's also made it hard -- you know who the most influential people wanting to break up i.c.e. right now? 19 i.c.e. agents who asked kirstjen nielson to consider pulling the agency apart. they investigate drug trafficking, they investigate terrorism. they say that this internal deportation enforcement that i.c.e. is doing is actually hurting their ability to keep the country safe. >> what do you say, rob? i mean, the president took this exactly where you think he would take it, next it will be all police. >> that's wrong. that's a lie. >> please let the democrats run

on this in november because the senate will have about three or four pick ups, the house, they'll hold easily. if it comes down to the average person in america saying, wait a minute, you really want to abolish i.c.e.? let's go what i.c.e. stands for, i-c-e, right. >> immigration and customs enforcement. >> all they want is a "c" now, customs. they want to be passport stampers. >> that's not true. >> if you abolish i.c.e., you talk about immigration enforcement. enforcement is not what you want. >> customs and border protection would still enforce the border. >> with what? >> their border control agents. >> you'we still don't have enou agents. >> you're proving that people don't understand what i.c.e. does. >> they sit on joint terrorism task force. >> they go 100 miles in from the border. i.c.e. is the force that goes into chicago, they go into albuquerque, into the cities,

into new york city and they rip law-abiding citizens -- undocumented immigrants out of their homes. they're terrorizing communities and making it hard for police to do their job. >> terrorizing communities? >> yes, they are. >> first of all, they sit on the joint terrorism task force. >> somebody else could sit on it. customs and border control -- >> if you're abolishing immigration and enforcement, let's start with the "i" and the "e!" what are you going to replace it with? >> joan, do you think there should be any enforcement? >> of course i do, erin, but, you know, i think what obama was doing -- first of all, obama expanded i.c.e. >> he did. >> obama was trying to get republicans to support bipartisan immigration reform and the carrot that he was giving, which a lot of democrats resented, he beefed up i.c.e. and he beefed up deportation. now, it didn't work. the 2013 bipartisan group, it had 14 republican senators supported it, couldn't get anywhere in the house. so then obama went back to what i.c.e. should have been doing, which is look for criminals, look for people who have

overstayed their visas or snuck in and didn't get caught and they're committing crimes. >> so open borders other than those who actually commit a crime? >> what are you talking about? >> you're not talking about enforcement at the border or within the 100 miles or within the entire united states. >> rob, you are -- very are very friendly. you are very smart. you're showing you don't know what i.c.e. does -- >> i know exactly what i.c.e. does. sit on a joint terrorism tank force with i.c.e. members. >> tens of thousands patrolling the border. >> who would enforce it? >> in the cities, there could be a different kind of agency, the agencies that existed before. >> you would be angry -- people on the left would be angry they're enforcing it. >> that's absolutely not true. >> of course it is. >> it's the way i.c.e. is going about it. the prioritization of breaking up families. they took a little girl with cerebral palsy and tried to deport her. they failed. they took a mother trying to get surgery her newborn and took her out of the country.

they're going into hospitals -- >> these are very emotional issues. we have sanctuary counties. >> that's a different -- >> it started with sanctuary and now it's going to abolish i.c.e. when bernie sanders is becoming the moderate or conservative of the democratic party. >> bernie represents a very white state and always disappointed the party on his stance on the immigration issue. >> the adults have to stand up on something in the democratic party -- >> we're all adults. >> no, it's not. >> we're all adults. we've never talked about this before. it's terrific what they've done. they've forced us to pay attention to this issue and change. >> policies can change but abolishing an agency that stops gang members and trafficking of drugs. >> there are still people to stop it. >> where? what about people in the cities? so basically you're saying that unless they commit a real serious crime, we should never enforce it because they're going to be breaking up families. >> i didn't say a real serious crime. >> i'm going to have to hit pause there. >> okay.

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u.s. border with canada. martin savidge is out front. >> driving down i-93 in new hampshire, about 80 miles from the canadian border, justin summers runs into a checkpoint operated by the u.s. border patrol. he starts recording. the border patrol agent tells him if he wants to keep driving south, he has to answer a question. >> are you a united states citizen? >> summer tells me he resented being stop and interrogated. >> i indicated hey, i don't want to answer these questions. i'd like to be on my way. >> that didn't happen. this is the area of the checkpoint. justin summers says when he refused to answer the agent's questions, they detained him and said they lo would hold him until he told them what they wanted to hear, in other words, indefinitely. the message to you if you don't answer this question, we're going to hold you on the side of the road here until who knows when? >> exactly. it's kind of an intimidation tactic, i think. >> i need you to pull over

there. >> reporter: a tactic critics say is happening more frequently and far away from the u.s./mexico border which has been at the center of attention when it comes to immigration. this is another checkpoint in new hampshire memorial day weekend, and this was maine just this month. >> if you want to continue down the road, yes, ma'am. well need to know what country you're a citizen of. >> hundreds, if not thousands of individuals are being stopped, detained, seized, and interrogated without any reasonable suspicion, without any probable cause that a crime has been committed. and that's really not how our constitution works. >> do you have anybody in the trunk? >> reporter: the american civil liberties union calls the checkpoint illegal and blames the trump zero tolerance policy. and you don't have to live near a boarder to run into a checkpoint. by law, border agents can work up to 100 miles from the entire perimeter of the country. two-thirds of individuals living in the united states actually fall within this 100-mile region. >> it gives a chance to see

what's going on in our case, what's going on in our area. >> reporter: sector chief harman says the checkpoints aren't random, but based on intelligence. he sees the questioning and detention of americans as a minor inconvenience. >> it's no more of a stop or inconvenience than you have at a traffic light. >> reporter: a traffic light doesn't query me as to what i'm doing or why. >> true. but we're not asking what you're doing or why. we're asking a simple question, are you a citizen of the united states, or what country are you a citizen or national. >> reporter: but you delay my moving forward until i give you some response? >> which the courts have affirmed that we're allowed to do. >> reporter: the checkpoint in maine did apprehend an undocumented immigrant, but harman couldn't say how many americans had to be stopped and questioned to make that happen. meanwhile, in neighboring new hampshire, justin summers was eventually released and says he'd do it all again. after all, he lives in a state whose motto is live free or die. >> i don't want to be a nation

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new tonight, a live. 12 boys found alive in a cave. they were hiking with their soccer coach there, and they were missing for nine days. this is the moment rescuers found the 11-year-old boy, some of them up to 16, most of them 11. it was pitch-black cave. they'd been trapped there amidst filthy rising waters, hope against hope. and right now they have been found. now dive teams, u.s. navy sales are working to get them out safely. mark phillips is there on the scene. so many people were hoping against hope here, but had started to lose hope, and now this miraculous finding. how were the boys snound found? >> it's an amazing story. basically at 9:38 local time last night, british divers with four thai navy s.e.a.l.s entered the cave and found the boys at the patja beach cave.

when they found the boy, the boys, you saw the video. the boys were talking back. they were coherent. they're in good spirits. now the question how do you bring the boys out? the water is still rising up. it hasn't moved. they've been desperately trying to drain the caves for the last four days. at one stage they're pumping out 1.6 million liters of water an hour, and it still has made little difference. we are in the monsoon season at the moment, and there is expected heavy rain and forecast. so if the rain doesn't -- if the water doesn't recede, then they have to teach the boys to scuba dive which could take a while. >> are they able to get food in a meantime in obviously talking about scuba dive, you're talking day, weeks to get them out. >> well that. >> had a contingency plan of storing about four months of food in there.

they gave them a thing called power gels when they saw them and water, just to get the boys going again. last night, after the british guys pulled out, more -- four more navy s.e.a.l.s went in with a doctor and a nurse to check out the boys and see how good they are. they'll are to ascertain whether they have the strength to do the journey out. that's why they want the water to go down so they can physically carry the boys out. erin? >> mark, thank you very much. and thanks to all of you for joining us. anderson is next. so is the man who once said he would take a bullet for donald trump changing his tune? warming up his vocal chords. and in case that mixed metaphor is not clear enough, is michael cohen getting ready to seen? john berman in for anderson. he wants to declare his loyalty and allegiance to the president with the kind of swagger sammy brad vlad doe wants to display for his boss, until he