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it's low oxygen levels that now pose as glae a threat as the
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ever looming monsoon deluge. >> they don't want to pull the trigger on this difficult and dangerous rescue attempt until they know it's their only option. >> if we have no other option, we should take them out by diving. thank you for joining us. we want to welcome our viewers today around the yates and a around the world. >> a thai navy official said moments ago that rescue efforts to save a young soccer team and their coach from this flooded cave may start soon. >> rescue teams are racing against the weather at this moment. mormon soon rains already starting. cnn's david mckenzie live in thailand. what is the latest on the ground as far as the rescue situation? >> this is becoming the crunch hour, i believe, in thailand. the rain could come any moment.
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racing against the weather are these rescue teams including u.s. military just saw on the ground moments ago. from a thai military source, a navy source saying that extraction could happen very soon indeed. because of the weather that could be closing in and the a dangerously low oxygen levels in the chamber where the boys have been holed up for 15 days. it will be a long, arduous and dangerous process of getting these boys through these tight and narrow spaces out through the water and possibly to their families safe. as some said, one of the most difficult rescue operations of its kind ever attempted. victor, dianne? >> david, our hearts obviously go out to these families waiting and have been waiting for two weeks. i understand you are hearing from some of those families.
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>> yes. amongst all this activity and the rescue workers that have been moving back and forth behind me all day, there is this poignancy, this fear about this moment. the families are hunkered down near us, kept away from the press understandably. we managed to speak to one father of a young boy, in fact, the youngest boy amongst that soccer team. his nickname is titan. he sent out a letter to his parents saying what he wants is to get out and for them to prepare him and take him to a fried chicken joint. he's just 11 years old. we spoke to his father who said they just want him back. >> translator: i felt better as my son said he was fine and strong. i felt relieved after i had been worried about my son that he would be exhausted, he would be tired. i felt better, but i don't know
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whether he is tired or not. i just want to give him what he wants. whenever he comes vlgs we would go together. before that, he and his aunt agreed to have the fried chicken at kfc together. >> reporter: his mother sent a letter back with one of the rescue divers who went all the way through those chambers, in those caverns, hand delivered. what she wrote is i'm waiting for you here at the cave entrance, my brave son. i miss you. this is an extraordinary human moment here. the ingenuity pulled together from teams around the world including the u.s. trying to get to those boys and get them out safely. >> unimaginable what those parents must have been feeling over the last two weeks, and the hours over this extraction that is happening soon we're told or could happen soon. >> soon probably can't come soon
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enough for them. >> absolutely. david mckenzie, thank you so much. we also spoke earlier with micco paasi, a finnish diver with the rescue operation. he told us about the challenges that stimuli ahead. >> we have very good hopes here, the water level is very low at the moment and we've seen more pumps than ever and it's going down very fast. but the weather is changing. that might affect the outcome. monsoon time here with a lot of water in through the cave system in about three hours. that will be one of the biggest concerns. >> mikko, explain how this goes about. you were talking about how this space is so small, only a few divers can actually reach the
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boys? >> very, very small restrictions, passageway where only one guide can go. and traffic in those tunnels, if you meet another team in the dark, there's the risk of getting tangled or disorient ed. otherwise you have to back off or you're going to get confused. it's been limited. only minimum amount of divers in the cave system. >> we want to bring in cnn meteorologist allison chinchar. allison, how much rain is in the forecast here? we know it can complicate the rescue efforts? >> there's a twofold here. you have to know how much is going to fall and for how long. remember, this is the rainy
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season. this isn't something where it rains for a day and you get a week's worth of a break. with that said, we've been lucky enough to have a break. starting july 2nd through july 6th, we've had at most a trace of rain. that's good for a lot of the rescue efforts. it's allowed some of the water to come back down. the problem is it's going to be short lived. here is the location of the cave we've been talking about. look at these reds and oranges. that end case the moisture. it's coming back and coming back full force. when we talk about how much rain and for how long, that's when you look at the forecast. today, about a 50% chance of rain on saturday. once we get to sunday and monday, that's when those rain chances creep up to 80% and 90%. again, not just that it's the long term, but you talk about how much rain is going to fall. now we're talking widespread totals of an additional two to four inches. on the face of it, two to four inches may not sound like that much.
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you have to keep in mind, this is on top of what they already have. when it's going through narrow channels like that, it can fill up quickly. this is just for the next five days. there would be even more rain after that. again, you can definitely tell the urgency of trying to get them out as quickly as possible, victor and dianne, before this heavy rain really starts to come back. >> that is why the naval official says this has to or could happen soon. allison chinchar, thank you so much. we'll check back with you. cnn's tom for mann has taken a look inside a cave from a different per spec tef. >> the only way air moves in and out of most caves is by a change of temperature on the ground above. that would be true here as well. however, when you go 2 1/2 miles in and more than a half mile down, there could be virtually no effect from that. for practical purposes, these boys and their coach are in a sealed chamber where the air is
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running low if not running out. hoe low? they should be getting 21% oxygen in every breath, right now they're down to about 15%. that means there's decreased ability to work strenuously. they have impaired coordination. you might not think clearly. in some cases they might have decreased vision in low light. it's not necessarily permanent and they are bringing oxygen tanks in, so that may help. but it is worrisome. in the meantime, outside they're trying to pump all this water away. they're making progress. currently they're getting more than 400,000 gallons out per hour. that's two-thirds of an olympic-sized swimming pool. the idea is maybe you can open a narrow gap and get some of these kids out quickly. but what we're seeing from inside cave is there's still several areas that are very flooded where the kids would have to go through in scuba gear for 20 minutes, 30 minutes, an
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hour or more. we just don't know. it ooh es a big ask and not getting any better. think about it. everything they've been pumping out has been water that showed up since the kids went into the cave. they've had a lull without much rain. much more rain is coming and there's no indication these pumps can keep up with it. for all of that, the single biggest issue continues to be the topography of the cave. yes, there are small currents and it's cold and they can't see. but there are areas here that are so small, only one person at a time can go through. the divers are taking their tanks off and pulling them behind them. that's why it's so hard to get supplies in and out. that's why you can't really have a serious discussion about trying to lay a pipe overall this distance. imagine trying to pull a frightened, exhausted teenager through that under water? it's a six-hour journey from the outside in for experienced
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dooifrs. engineers are saying that should be used as nothing but a supply line right now. they should pound in from above with some kind of small supply opening to drop food and fresh water through and pump air in and simply keep these boys alive until they can figure out how to free them. >> it is a daunting mission. tom foreman, thank you. live pictures outside the cave in thailand. a navy official says the operation to extract these 12 boys and their coach could happen soon. we're going to continue to stay on top of this. >> plus we have a shift in strategy from president trump's lawyers on the russian probe. how they might be planning to fight back. the trump administration has four days to reunite children under 5 years old who have been separated by their parents. government officials say they need more time. for your heart...mething or joints. but do you take something for your brain.
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there are signs of a shifting strategy for the president's legal team. they've set new conditions for a sit-down with special counsel robert mueller. >> "the new york times" reports president trump's lawyers want two things before their client will agree to an interview. one, the special counsel's team must prove it has evidence the president committed a crime. two, the mueller team has to show they need testimony from the president to finish the russia probe. >> for more on what the new conditions may signal, let's go live to cnn white house reporter sara westwood live in berkeley heights, new jersey, near where the president is spending the weekend. good morning to you. frame this for us from the perspective of the president's team. what are they trying to relate here? what is the effort behind this new framework? >> reporter: well, president trump is showing yet another sign that he will not cooperate with special counsel robert mueller. "the new york times" is
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reporting that trump's legal team made those new demands of mueller yesterday, telling investigators that in ex-change for trump's cooperation for an interview, they must prove they've uncovered evidence that trump committed a crime and must prove that trump's testimony would be necessary to conclude the probe. rudy giuliani, one of the president's top lawyers told the times, if they can come to us and show us the basis and that it's legitimate and they have uncovered something, we can go from there and assess their object if objectivity. trump and his allies have been questioning the foundations of the probe and raising unsubstantiated claims of rampant bias within the fbi. it's important to note that trump said publicly he would be eager to sit down with investigators. these new preconditions mark a shift in the legal tactics for trump and the idea of setting new standards for mueller to meet is also at odds for demands by trump and his allies to wrap up the investigation sz quickly as possible, victor and dianne.
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>> as we're also learning about a train connection to paul manafort's money laundering trial. >> a so far unnamed banker helped the former trump campaign chairman get $16 million in loans while seeking a role in the trump campaign. mueller's team plans to show the loans were approved and the banking executive got a position advising the campaign. meanwhile, weeks before the trial is set to start, manafort's lawyers are asking for the trial, at least one of them to be moved and to change its start date. >> joining me to talk about this, anna lynn ski and cnn white house reporter sara westwood back with us now. i want to start with -- we were highlighting before, the special counsel would like to talk to the president. the president has said he would like to talk to the special counsel under oath. that he has nothing to hide, but rudy giuliani, his tooen nattor
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is essentially saying we've got stipulations here. is this something that really matters anyway? they can ask for it, but are they going to receive it and be able to avoid this? >> i this i the shift ain strategy comes with the shift in lawyers. behi behind the scenes you have emmet flood who is new. this team absolutely does not want donald trump to sit down with robert mueller. the president of the united states lies 6.5 times a day according to fact checkers. to put him in a scenario where he would be sitting down under oath where anything he said that came close to a fib could put him in more serious legal jeopardy, is something they want to absolutely avoid.
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these new lawyers are making that case to him very clearly. that's what you're seeing, is trump's team putting up new legal hurdles for that kind of scenario to play out. >> rudy giuliani said if "the new york times" can come to us and show the basis, that it's legitimate and they've uncovered something, we can go from there and assess their objectivity. in that case is giuliani setting up the president to where it implies they have something on the president? >> that's right. obviously there was already a lot of -- the stakes were high heading into the interview without this new legal hurdle that mueller would have to clear. now rudy giuliani is setting the president up for the optics of that interview implying to the public that mueller has proved to the white house that they have uncovered evidence that trump committed a crime and
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trump's testimony would be necessary to end the probe. obviously this raises the stakes even high erd and signals that the white house is setting trump up to be able to opt out of that interview despite his public assurances previously he would cooperate with investigators. obviously that's a bar that's a little unorthodox. that's something that the white house is going to have to deal with down the road. that's a problem rudy giuliani has introduced in the past that later has to be fixed by others surrounding the president. >> first i want to take a listen to what the president said back in june when he had that impromptu white house lawn tell-all session with the media about paul manafort at that point. >> i look at some of them where they go back 12 years.
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manafort has nothing to do with our campaign, but i feel a little badly about it. they went back 12 years to get things he did 12 years ago. paul manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. he worked for robert reagan, john mccain, bob dole. he worked for me for 49 days. a slr short period of time. >> let's be clear, paul manafort was a train chairman. he played a role in the campaign here. this new information we have, prosecutors say the unnamed banker may have helped him get $16 million in loans while trying to seek a role in the campaign. annie, the optics here not so great either. >> i would want to say two things. the first is trump always tries to distance himself from manafort. remember, in those 49 days that he was a chairman, that's a
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period of time where manafort was instrumental in having mike pence be picked and put on the ticket. he had a sig 234i6 can't historical role. that being said, yeah, i think this is a bit of a game-changer. this new development shows that manafort was doing the same kind of sleazy deals he had a long reputation of doing when he was in washington. he was continuing that behavior when he was in a position of power. trump always says he can get the best people and he's been saying that happened so long ago and his bad acting was something of a distant past. now we're seeing it's exactly, the pattern with manafort was repeating itself on the campaign trail. >> 12 years ago or two years ago. through so much. we should point out prosecutors just alleging this. still, sarah, annie, thank you.
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we're continuing to push forward on the breaking news out of thailand where a navy official says an operation to try to rescue the trapped soccer team may happen soon because the rain is on the way. we have newly translated letters from the parents to those boys and the coach. we'll read you some excerpts after the break. what's critical thinking like? a basketball costs $14. what's team spirit worth? (cheers) what's it worth to talk to your mom? what's the value of a walk in the woods? the value of capital is to create, not just wealth, but things that matter. morgan stanley
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welcome back. i'm dianne gallagher. >> i'm victor blackwell. we're watching the breaking news happening right now in thailand where a thai 2345inaval officia rescue efforts to save a young soccer team may start soon. the team has been trapped in this flooded cave for two weeks. >> incoming monsoon rains are forcing teams to race the weather at this point. we'll continue to bring you updates as soon as they happen from our live cameras there. meanwhile, parents waiting outside the cave told the coach that it is not your fault in a letter to him and the trapped boys. we want to read to you some of that letter and some of the other messages that have just been sent to the boys. this one to the soccer coach. they say we as your soccer team members' parents believe in you and your spirit, that you've been taking a good care of our keds. we just want you to know that
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this is not your fault. we all here don't blame you and just want you to know to not blame yourself. we all understand all the situations that have happened, and we are here supporting you. the next laetter reads, we just want you to know that we are waiting to have a birthday party with you, my son. take care of yourself. we'll celebrate together. we're all here together with your grandparents and cows ens waiting for you. we love you. and then there's this one. i'm waiting for you here at the cave entrance my brave son. i miss you. as you are strong and patient son, i believe that you will make it. we miss you, love you. >> those are difficult to listen to. >> remember, age 11 to 16. >> in the cave for two weeks.
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there w there was jub lance. >> all in good health at this time. >> now there's we're told an effort to extract them soon. let's take the live picture. we just saw live crews hanging signs there. if you can read them, it says explosiv explosives. so that may give us some clue about how and what will be employed to try to get these boys out. again, we don't know at this point than the thai navy official saying that the extraction may happen soon. we are seeing these signs. >> there's been a lot of activity this morning as well. on top of the monsoons doming, they're also facing limiting oxygen right now. time is of the essence for them. they're running out of time to rescue these boys. >> again, this is just a few moments ago. by moments we mean maybe 90
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seconds ago when workers came to hang these seens that say danger explosives. we know there have been efforts to drill chimneys into the mountain, several of them, to try to get some air into there or maybe there's other ways to drop supplies in or get access to the boys. i don't know there's any plan that gets them vertically out of this cave. >> not that we've heard. most of them have involved diving. the issue there is that these are children. they are not experienced divers. you can see the radar here showing the rain coming, which will make it more difficult to get to them. the waters are during and murky. they are narrow. experienced divers -- a retired thai navy s.e.a.l. died trialing
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trying to get back from the mission. >> soon has not been defind. as you can see, there's increased activity. the seens, they're saying a dangerous explosives. we will corporate to follow every detail. david mckenzie is outside the cave. moving to another story here in the u.s., the u.s. and cheen nah in the middle of this growing trade war. it's about to affect you. washington put tariffs on $34 billion of chinese goods. beijing quick to respond. 1,300 products will become more expensive. cnn's alison kosik has more on what this means for the markets. >> reporter: it's a tale of two economies. in the u.s., jobs booming, businesses adding more than 213,000 jobs in june. it's a seen of a strong healthy economy. the unemployment rate rose from 3.8% to 4% but for the right reason. a half million people came off the sidelines and re-entered the labor market.
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wages were the disappointment. barely outpacing inflation. this overall positive jobs report comes as president trump of firmly launches a massive trade war with china, unleashing tariffs on $34 billion of chinese goods, tariffs targeting aerospace, robotics, manufacturing and automobiles. and then china hitting back placing tariffs on high-value american exports like cars, crude oil and cash crops like soybeans. the farm goods are strategic, hitting states that voted for president trump. but the stock market barely bleninged, ending higher for the day. the question is, will the uncertainty weaned up broiling the markets in the future or will a compromise calm those fears and send this bull market back in motion. i'm alison kosik, back to you. >> joining me, katherine rand pell, opinion columnist for t"te
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washington post". good to have you. >> good to be here. >> the u.s. chamber of commerce, leaders of u.s. industries, the president's base, the president's party have said these tariffs are regressive and harmful. is there any end case that as the trade war has began, that's being heard by the president and the white house. >> it doesn't seem to be that way. trump is right that china has been misbehaving, stealing our into lengthal property. how do you address that? these tariffs, most economists agree, probably everyone except for one economist in the white house are not the right strategy in part because they hurt american consumers, hurt american businesses and workers. they make chinese goods that american companies need to produce much higher value products like cars or various kinds of appliances much more
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expensive. beyond that, of course, the chinese retaliation is targeted with basically surgical precision to effect very politically sensitive areas that voted for trump, right? cheen nah has imposed its own tariffs as a tit for tat retaliation on pork, soybeans, cars, lots of other things produced in trump county. it's going to produce a lot of pain for very particular areas of the country, even if at this point the magnitude of the tariffs both on china and on u.s. exports to china are relatively contained at this point. very targeted pane. >> you raised the question that's important here. let's try to get an answer to it. if tariffs are the wrong way to create consequences for cheen nah for the intellectual property theft and currency manipulation which the president talked about during the campaign. what then are some alternatives
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that do not lead to the reciprocal pain? what are the other choices? >> the other choices are multilateral action. the united states is not the only country that has been victimized by chinese trade practices. our european allies, mexican, japanese ones have also complained of the same keends of abuses. so president trump taking the baton from president george w. bush had been part of this multilateral trade negotiation, the transpacific partnership, involved the 12 countries around the pacific rim, one of the objectives was to band together and have leverage over china and push back on china's bad behavior. one of the first things president trump did after he took office last year was to pull us out of this trade pact.
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meanwhile, the other countries that remained in the trade pact had basically redesigned their own negotiation without the united states and without a lot of the intellectual property protections that the united states fought for. in any case, the solution for fighting back would have been banning together with our allies. instead, what we're doing right now is picking fights with those same allys. china sees an opening to create an anti american alliance in the same way we tried to create an anti chinese alliance. >> one of the things you pointed out is many of the tariffs are hitting multinational companies that are based in china, and huge portions of these industries and hitting i guess other u.s. allies. here is a look at the percentages of some of these industries that are not really chinese companies, just companies in china being affected by those tariffs.
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katherine ram pell, thank you for being with us. still to come, the government is struggling to find and reunite migrant families. deadlines are approaching quickly. last month health and human services secretary said this process would take just seconds. more on that ahead. i sat on the ror portal and could find any child within our care for any parent. it's time for the 'lowest prices of the season' on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort your sleep number setting. and snoring? does your bed do that? don't miss the 4th of july specials, with the last chance for final closeout savings on the queen c2 mattress. now only $599, save $300. it's the lowest price ever. ends sunday. visit sleepnumber.com for a store near you.
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the trump administration is scrambling to follow federal court orders to reunite migrant children with their families ch yesterday the u.s. government was supposed to make sure every separated part had a way to contact their child. the government attorney says she does believe they met that goal, but some parents haven't spoken to their children at all. >> the government now has until tuesday to make sure every child under the age of 5 is reunited with their parent. by july 26th, every family must be reunited. as the deadlines get closer, u.s. officials are asking for more time. >> here with me to discuss all of this, cnn contributor and former director for the office of government ethics, walter shaub. walter, before you and i get started talking, i want everyone to hear what health and human
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service secretary sard last month. >> there's no reason why any parent would not know where their child is located. i could at the stroke -- at key strokes -- i sat on the orr portal with basic key strokes, within second, could find any child in our care for any parent. >> just a key stroke apparently. walter, is it a case of the secretary being clueless or dishonest? that is a gross misrepresentation of how this process works and it's obviously not playing out like this? >> he's lost all credibility. he keeps giving empty reassurances. there's word play going on when he says we can find every kid. the problem isn't to find every kid. it's to reunite every kid with every parent. that's where they're struggling right now. >> you and i have both been down there, i spent the past three weeks in these towns touring
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these facilities. these parents are given little if any information at all once they're released. there were 32 parents who were released who were given a piece of paper with a phone number on it that gave them no information. when they were reloosed, three of them had spoken to their parents. there is a breakdown somewhere. >> you get more documentation when you leave your coat at the coat check at the museum. what's the problem is it was on the intake, cbp, customs and border patrol, made no effort to track them as a family unit. they deleted records to track them as a family unit because they thought it was easier to track them individually. this goes to show that they never had any en tent of worrying to reunite the families and they're being hampered by bureaucratic requirements at hss. it's en sane. they need to move heaven and earth and commit a lot more resources. >> i want to go back to what you
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just said there. the justice department attorney said this, if we are not aware of where the parent is, i can't commit to saying reunification will occur before the deadline. we're still determining what the situation is there, whether those situations or reunifications may be able to occur within the time frame. they've only matched 86 parents to 83 children. 16 are not yet matched, these kids they need to be able to do by tuesday. they're not going to meet these dead leans. anybody who has been on the ground will tell you they won't be able to meet these dead leans. what happens next if they don't? >> the fate of the future of these children is in the judge's hand. if the judge is willing to come down on the government, he can subpoenaed a message that they need to stop ashlgting -- this is a humanitarian crisis created by kidnapping children and babies. you can't use the normal
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procedures . >> the first hurricane of the atlantic season is winding its way through the caribbean. allison chinchar is watching that for us. that's right. not one, but two tropical storms talking about who is impacted by both coming up. with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember.
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people across the caribbean are preparing for that. you saw hurricane beryl there, the first hurricane of the season. >> if you are more anxious than the people in puerto rico, people stock up on food and
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water, puerto rico is still recovering from hurricanes irma and maria. allison chin char joins us now from cnn weather center. do they have anything to worry about? >> we don't expect a respite to take place on puerto rico, even the thunder bands have a potential to knock out power. for so many folks, they got their power back. the last thing they want is to lose the power again, hurricane beryl is out over open water. >> that allowed it to increase in strength. >> that will make it's way off to the west. winds 75 miles per hour. that's a low ends category 1 hurricane. it is expected shortly after the lesser antilles to weaken down into a tropical storm, if not potentially before that point. then it will continue up and off to the north and west, perhaps skirting along puerto rico. but we don't expect it this time
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to have a direct hit. now, we do have hurricane watches. that's the pink color you see here as well as tropical storm watches. one place we don't expect it, is the carolina coast. the biggest concern there and if you have plans for that? >> still ahead, we continue to monitor those live pictures out of thailand, where a rescue operation for those trapped boys in that cave my happen, we are told, soon. unbeatable protectin helps prevent early skin aging and skin cancer with a clean feel. the best for your skin. ultra sheer®. neutrogena®.
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