good evening. it's been nearly 48 hours since the secret recording made by michael cohen of donald trump was first made on cnn, nearly 48 hours since it became clear that the president and his campaign lied about his knowledge of the deal to buy the silence of a former playboy model who alleges a 10 month long affair with mr. trump. nearly 48 hours and no one including the president himself has owned up to the lie. the silence is deafening. cnn has new reporting tonight the president is feeling the heat. one official telling us and i'm quoting here, is getting closer

and closer to his inner circle. according to the "wall street journal," allen, long term part of the white house, you may recognize him he was for a time a judge on "the apprentice." "the wall street journal" broke the story, a former trump organization employee telling cnn that wihe knows every deal e president has been involved in, coat, every sale anything and everything he's done including a deal michael cohen talked about ip2016 and team trump has lied about. the deal was to buy the rights of karen mcdougal's story. the rights had just been purchased a month before by david pecker who runs the company the national enquirer. here is michael cohen talking with mr. trump about stetting up a company to make the deal.

>> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david, you so so i'm going to do that right away. >> give it to me -- >> i i've spoken with allen about how to set the whole thing up. >> you heard michael cohen say there that then candidate trump, so much for michael cohen as he did with stormy daniels that this was something he did all on his own, nothing with the trump organization. he talked about how to set the whole thing with the chief financial officer for the trump organization. the man said to me the most powerful member in that company, and the conversation suggests he knows about this pay off. pretty standard chief financial officer stuff, happens in every company, right? judging by the conversation the deal was to ensure plump controlled the story in case as he quaintly puts it american

company ceo david pecker gets hits by a truck or something. american media bought the rights of the mcdougal story in august. yet in november just days before america voted campaign person hope hicks said i i quote we have no knowledge of any of this. look, maybe she didn't know as well. he would know, for example, whether his own boss is lying or shading the truth or concealing something when he said this back in january of 2016. >> so i tweeted out that i have no dealings with russia, i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia because we've stayed away. and i have no loans with russia. as a real estate developer i have very little debt. i have assets and now people have found out how big the company is.

but i have no loans with russia at all, and i thought that was important to point out. i have no deals, i have no loans and i have no dealings. >> chief financial officer of the organization allen weisselberg would know if that's true. >> and what i'm going to be doing is my two sons who are right here, don and eric, are going to be running the company. they are going to be running it in a very professional manner. they're not going to discuss it with me. again, i don't have to do this. they're not going to discuss it with me. and with that i'm going to wring up sherry dylan and she's going to go these papers are just some of the many documents that i've signed turning over complete and total control to my sons. >> remember that moment.

he turned over control of his company to a blind -- not to a blind trust but to his sons. and then alan wisealberg. he would almost certainly know for instance whether this is lie. >> i'm under a routine audit, and it'll be released and as soon as the audit is finished it'll be released. >> the president to this day has shown any evidence he's pin audited. he consider his personal finances to be off-limits to investigators. now he may not have a choice in that matter. want to start off with jeff at the white house. the president i should say is due any minute now, jeff, returning from air base andrews. what are you learning about all this stuff? >> the president will be returning here to the white house just momentarily. we know he left the white house

this morning i'm told still fuming over those secret recordings from michael cohen. but as we were visiting illinois and iowa his mood turned even ang, when he learned about that report. there's no one closer outside of family who knows more about the trump finances of anyone on the planet than the ceo, the cfo, excuse me, of the trump organization. the president when he came down here to washington he left the organization in mr. weisselberg's hands. so i am told by a republican official close to the white house, it's getting closer and closer to his inner circle. how do you think he feels? important to point out there's no sense of wrongdoing here by mr. weisselberg but there is a sense he's doing a lot. tax returns, you name it. so this is something if you want subpoena someone, this is someone who knows where a lot of the information is. i can just hear right now the president landing on the south

lawn of the white house momentarily. anderson, we'll see if he says anything in a while about all these questions. >> how did the president find out that weisselberg was subpoenaed? >> i'm told he was told by his lawyers. he did see it play out on television in realtime as he was doing his campaign-style event this afternoon. so he was watching that coverage. so this was not surprising this necessarily happened. we do know the michael cohen prosecutors are looking at all of this. of course, mr. weisselberg's name was mentioned in that recording this week. and one pointed to his mood at the end of day, listing a long list of grievances he seemed a bit agitated, if you will. that's his mind-set, his mood coming back to the white house tonight. >> we'll see if he talks about

it, anderson. what are your sources telling you about the clout he had in the trump organization? >> we have been talking to our sources today who understand the trump organization and weisselberg's role at the company. there are few people who understand the finances at the company. he oversees every dollar that goes in and out of the company. he's the person who personally gave trump updates on financial matters and he's been privy to a lot of sensitive information over the years. one trump organization employee tells cnn that the weisselberg subpoena is potentially an nightmare for donald trump. allen knows where all of the financial dealings are buried, he knows every deal, every dealership, he knows every sale. anything and everything that's been done, he knows every membership, anything you can think of.

to be clear this person wasn't saying there were any buried bodies. >> what do you think that tells us about why investigators are interested in talking to him? michael cohen was always say, look, i did this on my own, nobody in the trump organization had nothing to do with it. clearly this is not the case in the mcdougal matter? >> it looks like wisealberg should be able to answer investigator's key questions. you can here him mentioning his name in that reporting and cohen actually tells trump he consulted with him on the issue. and that alone would suggest that weisseberg should know how exactly cohen planned to make this hush payment to mcdougal. was it cash, or using a check?

and beyond that weisselberg could know about other people beyond the women we've been talking about a lot lately like karen mcdougal or stormy daniels. >> all kind of questions for the president and the people close to him. thanks so much for being with us. the fact that the guy who's the cfo of the trump organization has now been subpoenaed, there's so much we know don't know about that. how important do you think this is? >> it is a potential bombshell, not only because weisselberg in effect has all the keys to the kingdom, knows where all the bodies are buried, but prosecutors here are following the money.

and that's the key, whether it's deal, dealings and loans in russia that may provide a motive, what does putin have on trump? that's been one of the most common questions asked in the wake of helsinki. but also it shows they are in fact knocking on the white house door. >> the subpoenas by the southern district, but whatever is revealed through this subpoena would no doubt be also of interest to the mueller investigation. >> that is the key question, and it points to the fact that there's one department of justice here, and everybody reports to rod rosenstein. the effect to impeach rod rosenstein shows again folks are becoming increasingly worried and desperate about how the department of justice is in fact closing in on the trump financial matters. and that information will go back and forth, grand jury information to be shared among offices, and in fact the irs information that the mueller investigation has obtained will

also go to the southern district of new york. >> would the mueller investigation even know if donald trump is being audited by the irs? would they have that information? >> they could well have access to that information? or showing to get irs information, but it certainly could be made available. >> it is fascinating that at this point there's still so much, you know -- the president despite during the campaign saying as soon as this alleged audit is finished, i'm going to release it. there's still so much not known about anything to do with the finances. and as he told "the new york times" he views that as a red line to the mueller investigation. >> and i think that shows he is becoming increasingly concerned, i think is the right word to describe it. certainly the evidence of his statement of grievances. but also keep in mind that there are other ways we can get at that financial information.

i have led to of my colleagues in a lawsuit under a provision that forbids his taking payments and benefits from foreign governments. and what we want to know is the entire universe of payments and benefits he's received without consent of congress, and we're hoping that the court will give us the standing to move ahead with that lawsuit, which could be very, very important and other lawsuits going forward as well. and as you said, he has never surrendered ownership of the trump organization. so what allen weisselberg has to say about the ongoing affairs of the organization can be imputed to him as the owner. >> and subpoenaed to testify, he can be asked anyway. >> there is no limit to what he can be asked about that conversation, setting up a shell company, indicating clearly that donald trump and michael cohen

were in a criminal conspiracy to violate the campaign finance laws. make no mistake, that evidence is powerful in implicating trump and cohen in a criminal conspiracy. >> when you say criminal conspiracy, i mean you're talking about a violation of what federal election campaign laws? >> and a potential fraud investigation, other kinds of violations. but the agreement to work into concealing -- work together in concealing the potential deception of the government is certainly a violation of the cannel pain finance laws, if proven by other evidence and confirmed. and i think implicates potentially allen weisselberg as well. so any other questions about the loans involving russia and deutsche bank which has acknowledged in fact money laundering for russia, and also

donald trump's main bank. and so there are a lot of ties here that he would know. >> senator bloomenthal, appreciate it. gloria borger, and john dean, and cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin. jeff, i mean everybody knows michael cohen, but this guy weisselberg seems to be involved much more than cohen ever was. >> absolutely. he goes back to trump's father. that's how long he's been with the company. and remember if you were talking about financial times, the chief financial officer which is what he was is not only the person's testimony you want, but you also want to get the records he has access to. white collar cases are almost always made not just on testimony but on financial records. and he's the one who will know where all of the financial records are. those are the records they're going subpoena, and that is

going to be the key to any case if there is one. >> gloria, as jeff said he's been working for the organization than anyone. and probably knows more than the president's own kids. >> yeah, i think he does. and he's had the trust of donald trump. when donald trump became president he left the trump organization and weisselberg was in charge along with his own kids. i think the fact he's interviewing him as a witness has got to make donald trump very nervous. he knows everything. he's the book keeper essentially. and cohen had to go to weisselberg clear things. >> his claim and his supporters claim was always that was just something michael cohen did on his own, even though there was already evidence back then according to michael avenatti,

there were connections to the trump organization, he used it for arbitration. here in this tape he's actually saying with regard to karen mcdougal he's actually using someone from the trump organization to setup a company. and in a lot of cases and you know better than most, it is about following the money. >> absolutely, anderson. they're right on the money with this witness. he's clearly drossed tcrossed t line here. but this is the southern district crossing it red line. i don't think they're going to pay any attention, and they're going to go where the money leads them. >> much more to talk about with our guests after a quick break, including "the new york times" reporting that robert mueller is taking a look at president trump's twitter post about james comey and jeff segs as part of his investigation into obstruction of justice. and later more breaking news. the government declaring its compliance to reunite families with their children. have they really complied?

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as we're reminded almost dally a at times almost hourly president trump is a creature of twitter. and some of the his tweets are being revealed to special counsel robert mueller as part of his probe. ones like this one. quote, as it turns out comey lie and leaked and totally protected hillary clinton. where are e-mails and dnc server and intel leakers? back now gloria borger, john dean, and jeffrey toobin. jeff, reporting from "the new york times" that mueller is looking at the president's tweets, how big a deal is that? >> well, it's a very big deal because the issue with any sort of white collar crime is criminal intent, was there criminal intent? how do you determine if there was criminal intent? the words of the defendant. now, what's so bizarre is that

in watergate we had to wait until the white house tapes corroborated what john dean said what went on in the oval office. but here you have the president himself essentially confessing to obstruction of justice. and that, so the fact they're looking at this is simply what responsible prosecutors would do. >> john, never before in the history of the presidency have we had a realtime look into the what the president's thinking is. >> that's exactly right. the tweets are a very unique source. i happen to take a look after the announcement about looking at the tweets came out at the bill of impeachment. and i noticed that article 1, the obstruction article for nixon really draws heavily on his statements, and not so much his private statement or the tapes. they used the tape after they'd written the report to say this

just confirms what we'd already written about. >> in fairness to the president their argument is how can it be criminal intent if he just broadcasting it to the world? you can just be a brazen criminal. that's the response. but that is legitimate point. >> and glarria, the president's team is dismissing this that the president is within his rights to defend himself using social media. >> look, they're saying he can use his social media. rudy giuliani is making the case jeffrey's talking about which is if he's trying to obstruct justice why would he do it in plain view? but you can look at some of these tweets and you can say this is kind of witness tampering. and i went back and looked at the 40 plus questions team mueller gave to trump's attorneys months ago saying these are some of the things we'd be interested in. and one of them was, for

example, what was the purpose of your may 12, 2017 tweet, that was the tweet in which he said to comey you better hope there are no tapes. and then he said what was the purpose of your september and october statements including tweets regarding james comey, and what was the purpose of your july 2017 tweet regarding mr. sessions? so, you know, it's very clear that if they're going to make an obstruction argument, and we don't know if they will, they'd have to piece together -- it's tough. you guys the lawyers. it's tough, but they'd have to piece together some kind of mosaic that went to trump's intent, which is what they want to ask him about if they get to sit down for an interview. >> and remember, too, this is not a conventional criminal case. under department of justice policy mueller cannot charge the president with a crime. so if this is going to be a further investigation, it's going to be a impeachment investigation, and that's as much a political enterprise as

it is a legal. >> giuliani told "the times" if you're going to obstruct justice you do it privately. as we know this is president that does a whole lot of things very publicly. from an obstruction of justice case, would there have to be one big thing or could it be multiple little efforts to kind of according to prosecutors would amount to some obstruction? >> well, when you look at the bill of impeachment for nixon, article i, you'll see they drew heavily on his activities. the fact he'd misled the public as part of his scheme to obstruct, his dangling to witnesses sometimes privately, sometimes not so privately. and particularly with trump his use of the pardon has appeared to be rather blatant in his signaling to witnesses what they might get if they hang in. so, you know, it's a combination

of public and private. and i think that's what we'll see the case they'll build. and i'm almost positive that mueller is building an obstruction case. >> you think so, really? >> i do. >> what is it that makes you so convinced? >> well, not only that they're now looking at the tweets but the conspicuousness of his actions, it would be almost malpractice to not address that. because trump has clearly been obstructing this investigation since he won the presidency. >> and remember, too, it was the firing of james comey that prompted the hiring of mueller. so that potential act of obstruction is the birth of this investigation. >> gloria borger, john dean, jeff toobin thank you very much. more now on the deathly silence from the white house and what more is behind cohen's decision to put that tape out there. (vo) this is not a video game.

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when he left. he and his supporters have been lying about the deal to buy a woman's silps about tence aboutr she said she had with him. no acknowledgement at all, none. here's reporters on the south lawn just moments ago. >> mr. president, are you worried about allen weisselberg? >> do you have any response to michael cohen, mr. president? allan wieisselberg's subpoena? will you respond to allen weisselberg's subpoena? >> no answers there. none this morning, no answer yesterday either when cnn's katelyn collins asked the question at a white house event. actually, there was an answer. katelyn who was serving as a

pool reporter, meaning working for all the networks has been barred from a following event. we'll have more on that. you asked the white house today, and what happened? >> reporter: we've gotten nothing but silence on this all day today, anderson, and also all week. this is a white house that has only had three white house press briefings in one month and president trump on the lawn refusing to answer questions from reporters about this and a number of other topics that have come up about this issue. the reason we continue to ask the white house about this is because hope hicks, the president's spokesperson during the campaign denied any knowledge of this payment to karen mcdougal during the campaign. and now that's known to be untrue. but the president who is normally used to kind of stopping and talking to reporters at moments like this, refusing to answer questions. giving us only a stern look and a bit of a wave as he walks back

into the white house. >> is the white house now telling us why they aren't saying anything or silent on that, too? >> they're pretty silent on that, too. but this afternoon on air force one, the deputy press secretary got some questions on this. all he did was refer to the president's outside attorneys. that's the move they're taking right now to deflect some of these questions. we also had a chance to ask bill shine, the deputy chief of staff of communications at the white house responsible for disinviting katelyn collins from that white house event after she tried to ask about this, and he also declined to answer any questions about this or why the white house made that move. he was asked what are the president's decisions to trying to punish a reporter and he didn't deny it, but he did say you know how strongly the president feels about this issue, and we certainly do, anderson. the president is not normally one shy to answer questions, but

he's clearly not interested at all in engaging on this subject. >> except he was fine with engaging with michael cohen when he didn't know it was being recorded and his own campaign are the ones who went on record with this, which is why it's totally fair to ask this question and totally hypocritical for the administration to say we were just referring to outside counsel. they weren't referring to outside counsel back when hope hicks was lying or maybe she was being lied to and given a lie to the american people. more on mr. shine in just a moment, but first more on what could be motivating michael cohen. joining us now who shares a byline on the piece titled i'm not going to be a punching bag anymore. it's a fascinating article. what are you learning about what drove for michael cohen to release this recording? >> michael cohen is famous sly loyal to the point where he said he'd take a bullet for donald trump has become increasingly

disenchanted and has felt abandoned by the president, the man who he served so loyally over the years. there were a couple of things people apparently close to him tell us put him over the edge. one were giuliani's statements describing michael cohen's role and what happened in some of these discussions involving stormy daniels and others. and then secondly there was a report that the trump organization balked at some point of paying some of cohen's legal bills after his offices and residences were searched by the fbi. and that put cohen over the top. it made him feel abandoned. one person described it to us as he's lost in the wilderness. he hired lanny davis, and as cnn reported, released lanny davis' lawyer and counselor, released the audio of his conversation with donald trump. >> based on people you talked to, is cohen no longer hoping for some sort of a pardon from

the president, if in fact he is charged on anything? i mean is he angling for a plea dea deal? >> so, anderson, of course what motivates michael cohen is one of thing weez know is publicly michael cohen is not angling for a pardon, that that's not what this is about. we haven't heard from michael cohen directly. and it would seem that releasing unilaterally the audio that was provided to cnn by lanny davis might not be a move that would endear prosecutors. >> right, might upset the prosecutors. >> and also might upset you could argue might have an effect on the president who has a position to pardon or not. >> and they seized hundreds of recordings cohen made, but at this point do you have any sense of what might or might not be on them, and i believe you said

there were others with mr. trump. >> so our understanding is that there are other recordings of mr. trump and michael cohen but that they are not substantive, that they may be just brief conversations. they don't point to a specific drama like the tape that cnn broadcasted that lanny davis released. other of the 100, many of them apparently are trump, cohen conversations with reporters. lanny davis explained to us yesterday michael habitually taped his conversations. as a result now there is this repository, as you said a moment ago, over 100 tapes, over 100 conversations recorded that prosecutors are now wading through. >> interesting. in terms of how the president has been responding to all this, what are your sources telling you about that? >> what we're hearing tonight and i think this matches with what your white house folks are

hearing as well, is that his mood was very stern. he was not amused this morning when he took off for the midwest, very angry at michael cohen and the release of this taped conversation publicly. and now the news report this afternoon broke about in the wall street journal that his long time chief financial officer has been subpoenaed in this case has furthered soured the mood. and we can see from the tape you just rolled as the president landed at the white house, he does not seem amused. >> tom, thanks very much. fascinating. just ahead, more on the reporter prevented from doing her job at the white house and the word games they used to justify it. -we're in a small room.

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this may look and sound a little strange only because it is. the new white house deputy chief of communications was asked today why he prevented cnn's katelyn collins from attending an event. they told her the question she asked was inappropriate for that venue. they said she was shouting, so

we know that. so when asked today bill shine started saying word games over a single word, banned. >> did you ask her if we ever used the word banned? >> what word you use? >> would you ask her if we ever used the word ban, i will answer that question. you ask her, focus now, you ask her if we ever used the word banned. >> i would gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. that's ridiculous. bill shine, he used to work at fox news, by the way, called katelyn collins into his office he told her she was quote, disinvited to the white house event. they want to focus on the word ban and then say focus on the

word ban, which we never quoted as anyone saying the word ban. it's almost they wanted to distract from the real issue, which is the fact that no one in the white house has tried to give an answer to katelyn's questions, and this whole ban would be laughable if it weren't actually serious. it is just word games. i mean that they're playing now about the word ban. >> oh, absolutely. they're trying to manipulate the press. they're trying to manipulate what questions they can ask and not ask. and if you go to -- if you push too hard they're going to disinvite, you, quote, from other events. listen, anderson, every president has had public with the press, the frustrations. but this administration is taking it to a whole new level. we haven't seen this level of

suppression of critics, of discrediting of the press on a regular basis, of using networks like fox almost like a state owned media company. >> it also said something about bill shine and, you know, his reverence for oppression of journalism which he you know worked at fox allegedly to now be selling this -- >> sure. the environment is such -- you need to show to the president that you're going to do something, you really stick it to his opponents and that's what he's engaged in right now. >> the deputy press secretary was asked if the president's decision to ask bill shine or sarah sanders to bar katelyn collins from the event or if it was the president. and he said wave issued a statement on this and i've commented on here. you know our position. the president does feel strongly about this. i don't know what that means. i mean -- he lied about, you

know, not knowing about this deal with karen mcdougal. >> the president is angry and i think he's taking out the anger. i think the bottom line is we live in increasingly dangerous times because this administration has gone so far beyond what previous administrations has done in all sorts of ways in attacking and undermining the sort of rules of the road that have kept the press there. i don't think people fully appreciate when you discredit the press and when you use tabue press reporters you really threaten the first amendment. and it puts you in a situation of never-never land of what's true, what's not true. one has a sense as the question is closing in on the inner circle as you're discuss, they're ratcheting up the price you have to pay. >> you and i were talking

earlier in the week to the statement the president made to veterans, fallen warriors, saying don't believe what you see and what you hear. >> they have a very strong commitment to the second amendment. their commitment to the first amendment is very weak. >> i want to play something from the nixon tapes. you worked for the nixon white house. this is nixon speaking to ron zigler about "the washington post" at the time. >> i want it really understood that from now on, ever, no reporter from "the washington post" is ever to be in the white house. is that clear? >> absolutely. >> unless it's a press conference. >> yes, sir. just the briefing here. >> never in the white house, no church service. you tell connie, don't tell mrs. nixon cause she'll approve it.

no reporter from "the washington post" is ever to be in the white house again and no photographer either. that is total order and if necessary i'll fire you. do you understand? >> i do understand. >> okay. all right. good. thank you. >> i think the kerfuffle over that was reporting of his daughter at a party -- >> i can't remember exactly. >> it was not something earth shaking. >> it's no compliment to the trump administration to be compared to nixon. >> at least they were willing to have "the washington post" go to a briefing or event which katelyn collins wasn't able to -- >> usually they were said in private. it's rare you would hear like what we just heard on that tape said in public. i think all presidents do that. they almost all want to overthrow the case, which is

protection against libel. but they don't take it public. and in nixon's case i was on staff and i can tell you frequently what you did is let him blow off, tell you to do these horrible things and he didn't>> blow up the brookings institution. >> did he actually say blow it up? >> yeah. >> i'll have to look that tape up. >> there are juicy ones out there. >> david gergen always happy to have you. >> thanks very much. >> chris cuomo at the top of the hour. >> first, i like our black man going, but you would be the guy who makes this look good. >> i don't have a pocket square. >> i have to have someone to distinguish myself. tonight is going to be a big night my friend. we have breaking news, a scoop that could change the perspective on the mueller probe. what somebody who is very close

to the president is willing to tell mueller about a material aspect of the investigation. i'm being vague for a reason. >> wow. >> you'll get the news right at the top of the show. >> so i have to stay tuned. not even a commercial break. >> dam straight. especially you have all people i'll tell you last, wearing the same outfit looking better than me. you get nothing from me. >> nine minutes i'll be watching. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> if i have to come back at midnight because of what you'll be broadcasting i'll be annoyed. more breaking news tonight, upwards 700 kids talking about separated at the border still without their parents. so why is the government claiming it met today's deadline to reunite all families? is this a case of more word gamts. i'll talk about it with member more on that when we continue.

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more breaking news tonight the trump administration claiming it has met today's deadline reuniting families split at the border. today's reporting said one in three children or about 711 kids not been reunited. government said that's because they have red flags that prevent reunification or not located in time for the deadline. in other words trump administration missed the deadline and claiming success on their own terms. earlier i talked with congressman member of of the congressional hispanic caucus. >> congressman, to the government's declaration that reunification are complete, you say what? >> absolutely not. i mean, we spoke to secretary nielsen yesterday. we told her that the idea that they believe that they are going to get this done by the deadline is impossible. and she kept insisting they were going to do it. again she didn't.

they lied. they had no plan how to get out of this. they still have no plan to get out of this. she doesn't personally have the leadership capability to do it. unfortunately we can now say that this country has created orphans because of bad policy. >> so you are saying flat out she was lying when she said to you they are on track to complete this? >> absolutely. yesterday, in front of at least 15 members of congress, she said we are on track to meet the deadline. we clearly said to her no you are not it's impossible for you to hit the deadline she was inconsistent that we hit the deadline. now we are here, we now know that of course that we are not able to hit the deadline. we now know families still separated. more importantly we know there are some families that may never be reunited. all because this administration does not know how to function and they have no leadership in terms of secretary of homeland security nor at the white house. >> the government is saying that 711 children were ineligible for

reunion few cages. majority of those are kids outside of the united states. right now, i mean, it doesn't seem the government has any real plan for how to reunite those kids with parents. because often the parents when they are sent back they are not sent to where they came from. they are just dropped off somewhere else. . and they have to figure out their own way to get back to their homes. >> absolutely. and we are not sure they are dropped off in the country they resided from, that cob a bigger problem. we actually know children got sent back to their home country but parents still here in the united states going through the immigration process. that is the problem with this administration. they have no plan. all right now they are trying to do is get out of the political problem they created for themselves. they know this policy has been he can troomly unpopular with the american public and just trying to basically fix the political problem but not fix the physical problem they separated these families and no way to get them together. >> so what does happen to the kids who they still haven't reunited with their parents? what happens? >> well, for example those kids

in the united states at some point they'll never be able to reunite the parents, they'll end up entering the foster care system in the united states depending what state they are in and what judiciary process that cob. whether they are lucky enough to find a family memory lated to those children here in the united states. but if not they will essentially become wards of the state. again, this country created orphans because this administration, the trump administration, secretary nielsen, basically tried to create a deterrence by separating families. had no plan how to actually end this problem except again the focus on political problem. >> we'll keep on it. congressman, thanks four your time. >> thank you. >> before i hand it over to chris, i want to remind you about daily on facebook. go to facebook.com anderson cooper full circle. rolls off the tongue. see you tomorrow and 8:00 p.m. news continues though as it always does.

hand it over to chris cuomo prime time starts now. chris. >> thank you. i am chris cuomo and we have a prime time exclusive tonight. a claim that goes to the truth whaf the president knew and when he knew about an event that is central to the special counsel's russia investigation. let's get after it. we have cnn political analyst carl bernstein and jim sciutto our chief national correspondent for cnn. what do we know? >> that michael cohen claims that then candidate donald trump knew in advance about the june 2016 meeting in trump tower in which russians were expected to offer his campaign dirt on h hillary clinton. crucially they say michael cohen is willing to make the assertion to special counsel robert mueller. he says he was present when trump was informed of the russian offer informed by donald trump junior about that offer by