thanks for being part of my program this week and i will see you next week. hey, i'm brian stelter. it's time for reliable sources. this is our look at the story behind the story, of how the media really works and how the news gets made. this hour, breaking news about president trump and "the new york times," a meeting with the publisher of the times now revealed. the latest on what the times says happened and what trump is saying as well. plus, trump's reality, orwellian view of the world. >> don't believe the crap you see from people, the fake news. what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening.

>> is his strategy working? i will ask legendary newsman carl bernstein, here to talk about the latest scoop on cohen v. trump. what's next for sinclair? will the angry tweets affect the fcc's decision? first, another chapter in the me too movement brought to us once again by rowan farrow, out in print tomorrow is about les moonves and the culture of cbs. it's been eight months since charlie rose was fired from cbs this morning. and now the famed broadcast network is again having to report on itself. >> the new yorker magazine is reporting six women have accused cbs chairman and ceo leslie moonves of sexual harassment and cbs news chairman and current "60 minutes" executive producer jeff fager allowed harassment. >> the story is about much more

than moonves, it's about cbs as a whole, about how major media companies are still having to reckon with the past about alleged abuse that happened in the past and, in some cases, not too long ago. these are issues that have to be addressed by cbs and by other media companies. and it's farrow who has been leading the way, exposing some of the darkest secrets of these companies. his latest report about cbs is also about the iconic news magazine, "60 minutes." executive producer jeff fager, quote, enabled harassment and committed sexual harassment himself. he denies those allegations and saying it's coming from sources who have an ax to grind. sparked by farrow's report by "the new york times," me too movement has been causing these stories to come to light. just think about how long it's taken to get to this point. let's address these different

stories as carefully as we can, because farrow's story is 8,000 words long. the conduct by moonves as the boss at cbs for 20 years allegedly happened between the 1980s and the late 2000s. some of the women quote rd on the record. then the story also talks about issues more broadly at cbs. what farrow is indicating is that there's a systemic issue here. so, let's talk to him about it. farrow is joining me now for one of his first interviews about the report. i know you've been working on this, what, eight months? there have been rumors about this for many months. then on friday, six hours before your story came out, cbs stock plummeted, cbs issued a statement. i wonder what it's been like for you as the whole media world has been wondering what you're working on to try to get your work done carefully, accurately, while everybody else is speculating about it. >> i think you framed it correctly, brian. noise and interference. and when you work on stories

involving dozens and dozens and dozens of sources, it becomes almost inevitable, when there's so much writing on these important stories that i think really need to be heard that word leaks out. this happened in a number of prominent stories i worked on in the past month and, you know, that's okay. but i do think it's important for the public to distinguish between the secondary coverage of the story, often fraught with misinformation and the story itself, which is the product of many meticulous months of investigation. >> we need to try to distinguish between the different stories you've been doing. when you write about moonves or fager, you're not lumping them in with a predator like weinstein, are you? >> of course not. anyone who reads these stories can see readily we're careful not to draw any speculative

interferences her inferences here. in the case of leslie moonves, not to draw comparisons to anyone else but certainly these are six women and in several cases they're talking about what they describe as serious sexual assaul assault. >> moonves says he made mistakes in the past but never misused his power to punish women if they rejected his advances. do you have evidence to the contrary? >> certainly, the women's stories suggest that these are encounters that went a lot farther than that comment allows for. i do think it's striking, though, and perhaps reflective of the rapidly changing times that we're in, brian, that leslie moonves does exhibit a fair amount of contrition in these responses. i have to say that in all of our interactions with cbs and with moonves, which were extensive -- from a very broad window of

comments on this, and worked very closely with them, mr. moonves personally, to me, was very, very gracious and seemed to take the claims very seriously. >> moonves is one part of your story. i want to ask you one more thing about that. he is locked in this epic value with sherry redstone, controlling shareholder with cbs. there's been some insinuation that maybe sherry redstone's camp is partly behind your story. how do you react when you hear that kind of insinuation? >> we address it in the story. these women began coming to me immediately after the weinstein story, iliana douglas called me after the first harvey weinstein story i wrote and told me her story and we've been carefully investigating since. now, look, there are plenty of stories that are completely true and fueled by opposition research at some time.

we've vetted and revetted these sources and my honest impression that these stories are not only true but also not fueled by opposition research. these women came in a heartfelt moment where there was an outpouring of these kinds of stories. >> and you say 19 sources describe behavior at cbs news that jeff fager, chairman of the news division and still executive producer of "60 minutes" that he enabled and allowed for harassment to happen and sometimes made unwanted advances himself. he has flatly denied this. he says your sources have an ax to grind, trying to hurt "60 minutes." what can you tell us about what you learned from these sources? >> it's a lot of sources that supposedly, in mr. fager's view, have an ax to grind and a story that's been percolating for a long time. they describe, with some uniformity, brian, what one person in this story terms a mad

man culture, where women are made to feel objectfi if object. they paint a picture of a way in which a culture of alleged misconduct at the top can trickle down to various facets of even a large company. >> now, you're not the first person to go digging around "60 minutes," as you know. as you mention in your piece, "the washington post" was pursuing a story about fager this year. one of the reporters who wrote about charlie rose, cbs, but didn't say much about fager in her story. you report that's because fager had a team of lawyers get involved. can you talk us through that? >> i can. "the post" did very important, powerful reporting about charlie rose in the fall and starting immediately after that began working on a follow-up story by

two really wonderful reporters, in my view of their work, and they uncovered substantial evidence of misconduct by jeff fager amongst other things. that story was the subject of a heated battle where "the post" was subject to a lot of pressure from fager's personal legal team. obviously we also dealt with his legal team. and there were efforts to personally smear those reporters and their professionalism as well as sources in the story. >> i was struck by what was said at a mirror award speech in june. you wrote about this clip, ronan. when you watch this clip, keep in mind, jeff fager is in the room while she is speaking. >> i just want to say one thing. i think there is a temptation to think that the last few months have been about individual men, that it's about a handful of bad apples and if we get rid of them, it will end the cycle of harassment and abuse. it is not true.

the stories we've been doing are actually about a system. the system had lawyers and a good reputation, it had publici publicists. it has a perfectly reasonable explanation about what happened. it has powerful friends that will ask, is this really worth ruining the career of a good man? what one woman says, what four women say, what 35 women say? indeed, the system is sitting in this room. some more than others. the system is still powerful men getting stories killed that i believe will some day see the light of day. >> and i believe she was talking about her own reporting about fager that was never published by "the post." so why were you able to get this reporting out there in the new yorker? what happened? >> i think there are a combination of factors any time a story that is this tough and where sources are this afraid. and there's a long time span where sources grapple with the

feelings of ethical to come forward. fager allegations hadn't emerged in that "post" report. there was a lot of anger about the heavy-handed tactics mr. fager used. i pointed out that mr. moonves was very gracious and respectful of the claims insofar as one can be in the light of these claims. that was not so with mr. fager as you saw, he appeared to be very angry about these and didn't engage in the facts of them, just flatly denied. >> sorry to interrupt you. you quote an employee saying the hypocrisy of a news program shutting down an investigative print report is incredible. that's really the stunning thing about this. >> well, you make a good point there. i think that of the many ways in which this story forces us to take a hard look at the culture at our most important businesses, one of the most important facets of that is that it forces us to take a look at

newsrooms and the need for accountability in the places that shape the facts that we receive. and for a lot of the women in this story, we talked to one investigative journalist who said if i am the business of confronting hard truths myself for a living, how could i turn a blind eye to this? >> ronan farrow, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, brian. >> you can find this full piece on the new yorker website. you might be wondering what's going to happen next. cbs board says it will investigate the charges against moonves and cbs news has an outside law firm looking into any misconduct in its news division. presumably the issues with fager will be looked at by that law firm. cbs news is on summer break, summer vacation so i'm not expecting any new developments in the short term. speaking of new allegations, i wish there wasn't so much to report in this first block, but another story broke this week at fox news. kimberly gilfoyle left after an

investigation into her alleged inappropriate behavior and sexual harassment. emotionally abusive behavior, showing colleagues photos of male genitalia. guilfoyle is fighting back. her lawyers have gotten involved. they say these charges are baseless. we can show a quote from her lawyers saying any allegations of kimberly engaging in inappropriate work-place conduct are unequivocally baseless and have been viciously made by disgruntled and self interested employees. as president trump likes to call us, the fake news media. breaking news from "the new york times" next.

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breaking news as "the new york times" go to washington. meeting with the relatively new public lu publisher of "the new york times." trump says it was a good meeting. i wonder what actually happened in the meeting. now we know. in the past few minutes, he has issue a.g. sulzberger explains why he met with the president.

my main purpose was for accepting the meeting was to raise concerns about the president's deeply troubling anti-press rhetoric. i told the president directly that i thought that his language was not only divisive but increasingly dangerous. i told him that although the phrase fake news is untrue and harmful i am far more concerned about its labels journalists the enemy of the people. i warned that this inflammatory language is contributing to a rise in threats against journalists and will lead to violence. trump hasn't answered a single question from reporters since wednesday. that's the day you remember this happened. >> did michael cohen betray you, mr. president? did michael cohen betray you? are you worried what he will say? are you worried about what is on the other tapes, mr. president? why has vladimir putin not accepted your invitation?

>> those were the questions asked by kaitlyn collins and she was disinvited, meaning banning her, from a gathering that was open to all the press. ever since the reporters have been able to shout questions near the president, he hasn't responded. it's really telling that he's avoiding any opportunities or any interactions with the press corps. i think it shows that kaitlyn's questions were spot on. these issues about cohen and his twisted relationship with putin, these are big stories and we're not getting any answers from trump. let's talk about it with our panel now. the brand new president of the white house correspondents association and the chief washington correspondent for sirius xm. katie roberts is here, from "the new york times" and s.e. cupp, host of cnn's "s.e. cupp unfiltered."

katie, you have the president talking about your paper today. what do you make of the president and the meeting with your publisher? >> i think a.g.'s meeting stands on its own. i agree that the president's words have weight in the field when we cover rallies. it's very clear that his rhetoric about enemy of the people is resonating across the country. and he is the president. what he says matters. as a reporter, you go into the field, talking to republican voters, having to hear that it's fake news, we're enemies and it adds a different component to our jobs broadly. the president is entitled to feel however he wants about the coverage about him. other presidents have done the same. what is different is that this president is coming out and calling us enemies of the people. >> tell me about wednesday,

olivier. the news broke right before your radio show started on sirius xm. you were out with a pretty strong statement within the hour, condemning the white house's actions. are you trying to take a hard line? are you trying to show solidarity? >> we advocate on behalf of the men and women who cover the white house. we try to bring americans news about the president, the presidency, what the government is doing in their name. we want to make sure when television pictures are coming from the white house, they're coming from the news media. when they're photos, they come from the news photographers, radio sound by the radio folkses. of course, to try to get as many opportunities to ask questions of senior officials up to and including the president. that's our core function. in this instance, you're right, it broke from our radio show. i had my board operator basically muting my microphone in being questions as i frantically typed on my laptop. >> wow! >> this is important to understand, it wasn't just a defense of cnn. it wasn't just a defense of kaitlyn collins.

what you saw in the unaninimity, it could be someone else tomorrow, it could be someone else in the administration. it struck one of our core functions again. kaitlyn was told she couldn't attend an event that literally every other credentialed reporter on the white house grounds could attend. it was important we draw a line there and explain to people why that wasn't okay. >> the washington post reported that trump has wanted to do this before, that he has wanted to block certain reporters from coming to events. the post name's jim acosta and april ryan as two of those reporters. one-word question for you, s.e. surprised? >> no. you know, trump has, i think, in business and life, operated as a

sort of punitive force. i think he really likes to punish people to send a message or make examples or look like the strong man, the tough guy. and he has long wanted to punish the press, labeling us fake news, the enemy of the people has actually been very effective. trust in the media is at an all-time low. so, this is having a significant impact. the difference now, i think, is that finally our news institution, our media, our press is sort of united around -- in solidarity around each other. and that is something that you and i have talked about a number of times, that we used to see in past administrations. jake tapper calling out president obama for discrediting fox news or other organizations, calling out the obama administration for targeting the ap or trying to keep fox out of

the press pool for an interview. there were those moments of solidarity that had not happened under trump until the past few weeks, starting with john roberts of fox really sort of being pressured to make a statement about trump's calling cnn and jim acosta not a real news network. he eventually did write a statement, to release a statement defending cnn. the week following that, you had hallie jackson, nbc news reporter, who was trying to press sarah sanders in a press briefing. she wasn't getting answers. another hill reporter ceded his time back to her. those moments of solidarity, including the kaitlyn collins' incident, are a really welcome show of strength and show of force that i think has really taken to all. >> there have been several episodes. olivier, let me be cynical for a

second. are we going to see this frequently or are they one-offs? >> most of the time you don't see it. we're having these conversations behind the scenes, meeting with sarah sanders and other communication officials to work out our problems behind the scenes. again it's typically not this heated. we often have debates about how much the press will see on a foreign trip, for example. can we get the pool, the small group of 13 or so out to follow the president everywhere? can we make sure that they stay in the motorcade? can we make sure that they see the president actually meet with, say, british prime minister theresa may? a lot of the solidarity and work is happening behind the scenes. this was a very public moment. they made a decision to exclude kaitlyn collins of cnn from an event, from which literally every other credentialed reporter at the white house that day could attend. >> and it seems like if trump has been wanting this for a long time, the x factor here was bill schein, new on the job. maybe he kind of just fell for it and now he saw the reaction.

real quick, one more story to touch on, katie. you and maggie haber reported about an amazing leak out of the white house, this e-mail that showed how trump was angry when he boarded air force one and saw that melania's tv was tuned to cnn. what happened here? he wants all the tvs tuned to fox? >> it's standard operating procedure now that all tvs will be on fox. when he returns to his hotel suite when traveling, the tvs will be tuned to fox. the e-mails are -- they're a smaller example of this broader issue going on, that the president does not want to take in opposing or possibly opposing views. he is at a phase in his presidency where he does not want to hear anything other than his own messaging or supportive messaging. e-mails are a smaller example that illustrate this larger issue. >> and melania trump won. her team put out a statement

saying she will watch whatever channel she wants. >> she did give that statement to your network. >> that's right. that's right. of all the places she could have issued that statement to, she gave it to cnn. >> she sure did. >> to the panel, s.e., stay tuned if you can. the reporter who exposed lies and corruption to the white house 45 years ago is doing it again. carl bernstein joins me in a moment. paying too much for insurance that isn't the right fit? well, esurance makes finding the right coverage easy. in fact, drivers who switched from geico to esurance saved an average of $412.

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desperate spin about the facts. i'm mostly talking about rudy giuliani, and how he's trying to distance team trump from the president's long-time fixer and lawyer, michael cohen. rudy's spin is desperate, kind of sad. we all know the truth will come out eventually. i don't know about you. i just feel like it's taking a long time to get to the truth. let's talk about all of it with a reporter whose byline graced all the stories about watergate 45 years ago and whose byline is back on the scoop about cohen and trump, who claims that trump knew in advance about that pivotal trump tower meeting. carl joins me now. talk to me about this most recent story. you've been saying for a year we need to follow the money, follow the lies and figure out this cover-up. so how did you do it in this case? talk to us about how you got this reporting. >> well, i talked to sources.

and as did jim sciuto. it became very apparent the former attorney to the president of the united states was going around and telling people that the famous trump tower meeting, which indeed was convened for the purpose of collusion. which is to say it was convene bid don junior to accept information from the russians about dirt on hillary clinton that, indeed, cohen was saying that donald trump, candidate for president of the united states at the time, had authorized the go ahead for that meeting to take place with his son. and i said this is news. as did cnn. like in watergate, you have a very serious news organization. cnn, in watergate, the washington post making judgments about what is news. and that's really the most important thing that we do, when

we go out and do our reporting and then decide what is news and what is the best attainable version of the truth. >> are sources trying to communicate to president trump through you and through sciuto and through the tv? >> the last thing i would ever do is speculate about what sources do. i make my own judgments based on my interaction with sources, but this is no time to be psychoanalyzing sources. >> that's a fair point. >> on air or anywhere else. what you put out there as news -- >> here is what i'm getting at -- >> -- is what the story is. let me say one other thing.

cohen used to be praising trump. now he's flipping on trump. i think people don't know what or who to believe and that's a hard thing for the audience. >> well, that was true in watergate, true, when john dean testified. and i was doing with bob woodward the story, saying dean was about to testify, much as cohen is asserting what he is about the president of the united states. people didn't know who to believe. it's very important to understand, and this is a good opportunity on your air, to

explain that this is a story. the russian collusion cover-up, story, what, indeed, donald trump's relationship to russia, to putin is. this is a vast story, the mueller investigation. and the elements include, for instance, we have trials coming up at which rick gates, who was one of the top aides to the president during the campaign, to whom the president spoke almost every day for three or four months, he has turned on the president and is about to testify and is cooperating with mueller. we have the story going on of the dynamic of trump and the press. that is part of this story. it's all related. we also have the questions about trump's competence raised by those closest to him. mr. tillerson, mr. mcmaster, in

private, others talking about whether or not the president is competent. we have the story going on about this investigation closing in and how psychologically trump is reacting. telling the country that he is a stable genius while those in the white house are saying, well, he doesn't look very stable right now to us and he didn't look very much like a genius to us right now except where he obviously is ingenious. and that is in his political skills and mobilizing his base, which is his big offensive to keep the facts from emerging in this story. the base and keeping them energyized against the press is absolutely essential to donald trump fighting and furthering the cover-up. look, there is a cover-up by the president of the united states. but we don't know what the cover-up is about yet. we don't know the facts yet. why he has, from the beginning

in this investigation, and the trump tower meeting is the best evidence of it. the cover-up is demonstrable because he helped create the cover-up story on the airplane, which has since been disproven about what occurred at that meeting. we have a lot to learn and we need to keep doing our reporting and that includes this dynamic that is going on of the attempts by the president to undermine a free press, because he wants our credibility destroyed because we are reporting the truth. >> he does twawant it destroyed. carl, thank you so much for being here. >> up next, fcc commissioner is here. she'll tell us why president trump has got it so wrong about the sinclair tribune merger. (vo) this is not a video game.

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and today can save your life. ♪ ♪ welcome back to "reliable sources." i'm brian stelter. president trump seems to be at odds with his hand picked fcc chair. for a while it seemed like the fcc under pai was preparing to approve the sinclair deal, giving them greater reach to promote trump's policies. fcc put a hold on the deal earlier this month, slowed it down about sent it to an appeals

process, a court essentially. here is the thing. this potential deal that sinclair deal a rift. former fox host eric bolling, who has been promoting the deal to trump. after the fcc issued its decision saying this was going to take a while, basically dooming the sinclair deal, president trump shot back saying it was sad and unfair what the fcc was doing. quote, this would have been a great and much-needed conservative voice for and of the people. then trump called the fcc's action disgraceful. fcc commissioner swreska rosenwurtzest l has a different view and joins me now. jessica, have other presidents weighed in on fcc decisions like this? >> well, with respect to a merger like this, this is not

normal. the fcc is an independent agency. we need to make sure that it's the facts that guide us and the law. it shouldn't be part of our consideration whether or not the news outlet at issue has flattered this administration or earned the president's favor. >> you know, they certainly broadcast pro-trump commentaries but i had a bunch of sinclair reporters e-mail me, text me saying i hate that the president is calling us conservative. that's bad for our brand. we just want to be reporters and don't want to be identified on trump's side or other side. but there we are. what is actually happening with the sinclair deal? >> it was about a year ago that sinclair filed an application at the fcc, seeking to merge with tribune and create the nation's largest broadcast company by far. over the course of that year, the agency, often over my objection, bent and twisted a lot of its policies, seeming to clear the way for this merger.

but two weeks ago, that stopped. the agency decided that it didn't have enough facts to support the merger before us and sent it to an investigative process in an order known as a hearing designation order. there will be more investigation into this transaction, whether or not it complies with our rules and whether the company has been honest before the fcc. >> joe nosero for bloomberg says no matter what happens now the decision about sinclair will be tainted because president trump has commented on it. is that true? is that a problem? >> well, i'm worried about it just -- you know, we have got to make sure that we follow the rule of law, we look at the facts and we figure out what to do. our process should not be politicized like it's been. >> it's funny how, you know, the same week that the "new york times" says mueller is looking at the president's tweets as

part of a possible obstruction of justice investigation, that the president keeps posted things about separate of powers, almost as if he doesn't know how the fcc operates. why haven't your fellow commissioners spoken up more? >> i don't know. when the president tweeted that i quickly said i disagree. i hope over time they can agree with me and say this isn't appropriate and it's not the way that we should be conducting our merger reviews. >> so, we'll see what happens with sinclair. bottom line is that this process takes a while. in other deals like this, they collapse. >> that's right. >> sinclair isn't throwing in the towel, right? >> they haven't walked away yet. this story is not yet over. >> got it. jessica, thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. >> we've invited ajit pai on and hope he will join us in the future. blood bath on the daily news, this week's gutting of new

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. yet another blow to local journalism. this time at the new york "daily news." one of the paper e's most famou headlines is this, ford to city, drop dead. you can't do better than that for a tabloid, but it feels like the paper's parent company is saying trunk to city drop dead, that's how it felt when trunk laid off fully 50% of the remaining staff of the new york "daily news," a paper that has already suffered round after round of layoffs. and they let staffers go from florida to pennsylvania and points in between. what is going on at local papers and how many of them will

survive? i'm joined now by s.e. cupp, her most column was about this very problem. so your column continues for the paper for now, but you how did you react hearing about these laysoffs earlier in the week? >> well, i woke on up like a lot of people did especially those of us who are connected to the paper in shock. i felt like it was a sucker punch. not because this was as you mentioned the first round of layoffs, if you've worked in new, you've either survived or suffered layoffs before. but this was so sweeping and broad and from people i've spoken to inside off the record, it just sounded like there was not a lot of strategy behind this. one person told me it was in-discriminal tdiscriminate indiscriminate, slash by numbers at its worst. and so to lose 50% of your editorial staff is significant. and as you pointed out, the new

york "daily news" is a top ten circulation paper, but it is still very much a local paper. and so it was a big blow for local news that day. >> what do you want to see local papers do to try to figure out the future? >> local news and especially print media has to evolve. and that has been something in a print media especially has struggled with over the past couple of decades. this is not new, it is not as though people are just confronting this now. some are doing a better job than others. but local news is so, so important. put it two ways. one, your local news can very quickly become national news. if you think about spotlight and the story of catholic priests in boston, if you think about penn

state, sarah began numbga ganum jerry sandusky story. a small protest in a syrian town becomes a civil war in national news. so local news can become national. but secondly, local news especially in smaller communities, news reporters are sometimes the only people asking tough questions of government officials, elected officials, your school board, sanitation board, the people you trust to keep your kids safe. and if this re not aere are not those questions, sometimes no one else is. >> they can feel like politicians know when the lights are off off. that is worrisome. se, thank you so much for being here. i spoke with three of the playoff victims for this week's podcast. check it out, i think you will learn a lot from them. and that is all for this edition of reliable sources. we'll see you you right back

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