i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. we welcome the viewers in the united states and around the world. it explodes over a new hire in "the new york times" are sarah jeong's seemingly racist tweets excusable as she claims she was counter punching. and bereaved sandy hook parents suing that the elementary school massacre was a hoax? the lawyer for the info wars host says this is freedom of speech. is that going to work?" the boston globe" uncovers quiet skies that's been spying on thousands of ordinary american, but is that good post-9/11 police work? several candidates in this week's kansas gubernatorial primary not yet old enough to vote for themselves. i'll ask, too, what they learned

while navigating controversial issues and our political process. but first, are tweets making fun of white people necessarily racist and are attacks on police to be taken at face value. those questions arose this week regarding "the new york times" new hire, sarah jeong, a 30-year-old technology writer being hired for their prestigious editorial board. typically i would go to the times for my read in, but there was nothing as to what prompted jeong to write hatred for white people, the police, et cetera, et cetera. that's something i prompted on twitter this prompted someone else to say what else do you need to know. she tweeted "f" the police multiple times. the president re-tweeted the drudge report which calls her out. one time she said "f" the police she included a clip of an animated film she was walking in

which dog raccoons with magical testicles, i kid you not, have a standoff with cops. i might question her taste in film, but does that mitigate the comment on police? no outlet is in a better police to tell us that than the times. hopefully they'll be more forthcoming. what do we know any sarah jeong? on paper she sounds impressive, a senior writer at the verge and wrote the book "the internet of garbage" and the online harassment and the difficulty f of -- and she was a fellow, and named to forbes 30 under 30 list for media in 2017, but as soon as she was hired old tweets by jeong were re-posted anonymously on twitter which sound completely racist. dumb ass "f" white people marking the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants. oh, man, kind of sick how much

joy i get out of being cruel to old white men. you'll be extinct soon. #cancelwhitepeople. her defense, it seems to be this. jeong says her tweets were in response to being harassed online herself, that she was imitating trolling language in an attempt to punch back. in fact, she posted, too, quote as a woman of color on the internet i have faced torrents of online hate often along this vein and then these two examples. if i saw you i would sock you right in your lesbian face and shut the "f" up you dog eating -- and then a slur. while it was intended a sattire, i deeply regret i mimic the language of my harassers. general audiences do not engage in harassment campaigns. i can understand how hurtful these posts are out of context and would not do it again.

the times, by the way, standing by her hire saying they understood her twitter past and understand it for what it was. we had candid conversations with sarah as part of the thorough vetting process which included a review of her social media history. she understands this rhetoric is not acceptable at the times and we are confident she will be an important voice for the editorial board moving forward. interestingly, the fact that the times already knew about her tweets is significant due to another hire in february, quinn norton. when some of miss norton's old tweets surfaced which included racial slurs and an internet troll which works for a neo-nazi website she ended stepping down that same day. in that case, it had not been aware of her tweets before it hired her. we reached out to miss jeong, but we were told she was unavailable. go to smerconish.com and answer this survey question. should sarah jeong's twitter

history have precluded her hire by "the new york times" as board member. joining me now, rich lowery, does it matter if she was counter punching? >> usually when you're counterpunching you're counterpunching directly or replying directly to other people on twitter. we all get nasty tweets thrown at us all of the time, but most of us don't react to that with years' long history of racist tweets which she did here, so i think that explanation is complete nonsense. i don't like the practice of rummaging back through people's twitter accounts and firing them on the basis of that, so i would probably still support her being at the times, but i think the explanation here is total nonsense. >> listen, i want to know the context for all of these controversial tweets. i went looking myself and found that ridiculous animated movie. we can put up just a still image that shows the animation and at

the top of that "f" the police. maybe it's intended as a joke in that instance. i notice that there were others, many more, in fact, one relative to ferguson which the context, katherine, can you put the ferguson up one as well? teaching moment music, maybe -- maybe the lesson of ferguson is "f" most police. that doesn't seem to be in response to some twitter troll. >> and the same with the other anti-white tweets. i don't know how the times can justify firing quinn norton when we look back at her tweets and she re-tweeted the "n" word and it was someone using the "n" word sat iricily, and it was enough for her to be ousted from the times, and i don't know how you stand by sarah jeong and fire quinn norton. it goes to the point that there's a rank hypocrisy here.

"the new york times" i don't think has a defensible standard because if sarah jeong had used the "n" word, it doesn't matter what it was, she can go on for years saying horrible things about white people and that's okay. >> look, i'm a big fan of the times. i read it multiple times online every single day so i'm bending over backwards to try to be fair. in the statement that they released i know that they say for a period of time she responded to that harassment by imfating the rhetoric of her harassers implying they were all tit for tat, but it doesn't seem that way for me. >> they're racist on their face and there are some people who make the argument that there is no such thing as racism against white people. that's completely ridiculous, and if you have an imus based on the color of their skin and it's mostly blame worthy and sarah

jeong should open up to it and at least give us an honest and full explanation or apology. >> are you going in the public do main that this should have precluded her hire. i think when you play this game, very often innocent people get shot down the way quinn norton was. we should draw a fine line and i don't think people should get fired from media organizations unless they're saying something when they're currently employed and twitter is a medium where the context are very important and people are trolling and very often tongue in cheek and often misunderstood and i would not preclude firing her from the times, but again, the times standard here is indefensible because it did not have that bright line. it fired kwen norton before firing her and if you were to fire two of them, sarah jeong or

quinn norton in terms of the merit of who they should have kept and clearly it was norton and clearly they're defending sarah jeong and threw quinn norton overboard. >> i thought through the business ramifications and the way it would impact their brand and play into the hands of those who denigrate the times which i disagree with. >> thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. what are your thoughts? go to smerconish and i will read your responses throughout the course of the program. what have we got? here is a person who is so overtly biased and eshg mobilely disordered in her thinking that the only job "the new york times" should ever give her is selling papers on the street corner. i want to be fair and see the totality of the record and i can get a weak attempt at humor. watching that ridiculous animated film about big bald

raccoon. i mean, are you blanking me? maybe she watches it today, "f" the police and then the ferguson tweet and all of the others and i can't put those in context. i want to know what you think. go to my website it's smerconish.com. answer this question. should sarah jeong's twitter history have precluded her hire by "the new york times as an editorial member? is the tsa under fire for the secret skies program surveilling ordinary americans hoping to find terrorists and is the idea behind it entirely wrong? >> info wars, provok tour alex jones trying to throw out a defamation action stands from his hands that the sandy hook massacre was a hoax. at issue, is he a journalist or pol emcyst.

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this week a secret tsa program called quiet skies monitoring ordinary u.s. citizens caused a lot of noise. for months or longer, federal air marshals have been tracking 5,000 or more u.s. citizens not suspected of any crime or on any terrorist watch list and collecting data about their movements and behavior and yet at the same time cnn exclusively reported the tsa is thinking of doing away with security altogether at small airports. both of these seem like unsettling approaches. in the quiet skies program according to an internal tsa bulletins from march small teams of undercover air marshals are trying to root out unknown or marshally known terror firsts by documenting things whether passengers fidget, sleep during the fight, seem overly familiar with the airport or have a cold,

penetrating stare. i want to know more before i'll join the critics. i have authored two books about airline security. i'm a believer in empowering police to use instinct. just consider the good work of jose melendez perez. it was melendez, an immigration inspector, who stopped muhammad al kahtani who stopped him while entering an international airport. he was a saudi national because he incorrectly filled out a customs deck lakz. it came up negative. his documents seemed genuine. a check of his possessions, unremarkable, but melendez still didn't let him pass. why? as he told the 9/11 commission, quote, this guy just gave me the creeps. he also said throughout my ins training and military experience mi first impression of the subject was that he was a young male, well groomed with short hair, trimmed mustache, black

long-sleeved shirt, black trousers and black shoes, 5'6" in impeccable shape with large shoulders and thin waist. he had a military appearance. he had gestures that appeared arrogant. when i called him into secondary and matched him with papers he had a deep, staring look. the next time the united states encountered katari encountered khatani. he was given walking papers by melendez in orlando and there to pick him up as a new arrival was 9/11 ringleader muhammad atta that his conduct may have spared the capitol or white house an attack and with this added muscle of khatani on flight 93 as the 20th hijacker, they could

have continued to washington. the auth are on of the boston globe investigative piece jana winter who was the current globe spotlight fellow. i want to applaud your work and make clear that i thought it was a great report. i just have mixed opinion. i want instinct to be honored by law enforcement, but i don't want them on a fool's errand. do you think we can do both? >> i would like to think so. i mean, what we know now at this point is obviously there's been a lot of outrage, bipartisan outrage, i would note, which is pretty rare since the story of ours published last weekend and congress was briefed on thursday and ntsb officials said yeah, we've followed 5,000 u.s. citizens who are not under investigation or suspected of any crime and not on any terrorist watch list and 5,000 since march and they have zero threats. they found nothing. they found no one that merited any follow-up and no suspicious

characters. nothing. i think according to the air marshalls i've spoken with and other people within tsa that the resources which are slim to none should be focused on things that might actually be a threat. >> i think that's fair. give me an example. what stands out in your mind from those cases known to you of someone who has been followed in the sky that would seem ridiculous? >> i would encourage everyone to keep reading our reporting, but i'll say someone being assigned to follow a southwest flight attendant who was literally working the flight, writing down the behavior and anything they do if they change direction, the air marshals are looking at the behavior saying if she's not drinking anything, but pouring a drink, did she go to the bathroom? she's standing by the bathroom? for how long? flight crew get background

checked by the fbi and if they were a threat my sources say they'd be a threat for every flight they worked and not just the one the air marshals are on. >> so what would have caused in that example that individual to show up on their radar to begin with. just where they had traveled previously? >> what this program is based on is not anything the person has actually done. it's based on whether your travel history matches that of a known or suspected terrorist. so we have flight attendants who have on its face suspicious travel because they're flying all over the place because that's what they do for work. >> so my family, we went to istanbul two summers ago on vacation. could something as benign as that cause them to want to then follow me? >> oh, yes, absolutely and then anyone you're traveling with. right now there's a huge focus on anyone who is in turkey for a certain amount of time. >> so where is this headed?

i know you're continuing to report on it. you've already intimated that there must be more to come. what do you think congress is about to do relative to this tsa program. >> i think congress is really pissed off because tsa told me on the record that congress had been briefed and the committees had all been told about this program and during the closed-door briefing on thursday and there is a bit of a back and forth and the committee staff were, like, you've never told us anything about this. so this is not something that's going to die down. there are some lawmakers calling for hearings and i think that would probably happen. i don't think anyone's letting this go. there's a lot of people filing. the aclu is doing some things and the civil liberties groups i don't think i think there's a lot to stay tuned for. >> thanks for the report. we'll continue to read. >> thanks. >> letty so see what you're saying on my smerconish and twitter pages. >> i can't get my head around

this. >> they follow people around who don't follow terror or fighting, what a waste. i think what we're hearing is you don't get followed for nervous behavior and once you're being followed and you might think the an appropriate defense, then you're noting everything, your habit asks your posture. look, i want to be clear, i really like what she's uncovered. as a taxpayer it seems like a waste of resources, but let's want go so far that heroes like jose melendez perez who are operating on instinct because the guy gives him the creeps and the guy turns out to be the 20th hijacker can't get stopped because i want them to be empowered as members of law enforcement. sandy hook parents are suing

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swiss cheese. my gut tells me the white house, people controlling the government were involved in this. so don't ever think the globalists that have hijacked this country that they killed little kids all day every day, it's not the government. it's the globalist. they're doing it. they're doing it. they're staging it. >> in court, jones' lawyer admitted, quote, maybe it's fringe speech. maybe it's dangerous speech. that's not defamation. that's rhetorical hyperbole at its core. it's the citizen participation which protects citizens' rights to free speech against those who which to silence them through costly litigation? joining me is a reporter who has been covering the trial, the chief political reporter for the austin american statesman. i remember speaking to you two years ago when alex jones was in the midst of a child custody battle. >> right. >> and his own lawyer at that time said this is all schtick.

don't take it so seriously. that would be like holding jack nicholson accountable for his depiction of the joker in the batman movie. same thing is going on here, right? >> pretty much. in fact, in that case which was back in april of 2017 they were largely able to exclude any use of alex jones' on-air personality in that case so they didn't even have to make that argument to any great degree, but yes, it's the same thing. people tune in to watch the bombast and they have a certain expectation and they know this is alex jones and they know what he's doing and they don't take it literally, though apparently in a few cases they do take it quite literally and act on it. >> we know that some people take it literally because according to the plaintiffs in this austin-based defamation action they've been stopped and they've had to move a number of times. explain. >> well, so these are the

parents of one of the children who were killed and he has placed them in the middle of this sort of broad because he says in a cnn interview growing up de la rosa was with anderson cooper and they were using a blue screen so they weren't at the scene so there was something fishy about the way it was done and that would suggest they were a part of this hoax and as a result of this, they've been stalked and there was a woman who ultimately was sent to federal prison for issuing death threats against them and she was instructed that on her release from prison she can't listen to willa exjones anymore. so they resisted suing him for many years and then back in april of 2017 he re-issued these claims and they decided enough

is enough and he's not going to stop doing this so they finally filed suit and in texas the defamation law requires you to file within a year. so by remaking or restating some of these claims he kind of revived their ability to sue him and that's part of what's at issue here is has he said enough within the year of the statute of limitations to qualify as defamation? >> here's the takeaway. at least according to me and you're on the scene. the takeaway is that people follow this guy. i mean, some people in high places follow this guy. when push comes to shove and he's challenged in a courtroom his lawyers say you didn't really believe that, right? it's the equivalent of wrestling, it's b.s., something jones has to fight against to keep that audience. >> yeah. yeah. in fact, on this blue screen argument his lawyer says you know, you can't prove that what he said was -- was defamatory

and even if it was wrong it was merely and his audience understands that it's opinion masquerading as fact. that's the term of art ask so he's saying that, you know, take it with a grain of salt. he's not a journalist and should not be held to journalistic standards and the plaintiffs have gone to some length to establish that he makes claims that he is an investigator, that he knows what he's talking about, that has blue screen claim is based on his deep experience in broadcasting, and that there's no reason that a listener should realize that he's not -- that he's not making these claims supported by fact and that he's essentially that because of who he is, he's -- he's risk-free and he can rant as much as he wants without having to back up his claims. >> thank you, jonathan. i want his audience to know to

the extent they're paying attention to me here at cnn that this is all schtick. it's an act. and that's his defense. so don't take it seriously and what an injustice done to those parents if their case is proven. thank you for being here. >> thanks a lot. let's check in on your tweets and facebook comments. what do we have? hey, smerconish, jones was an actor when he was getting divorced. now he's a journalist. we should call him what he is. we shou a vitamin supplement salesman. i get it. you get it. that audience don't get it and he's trying to have it both ways, people really don't believe this, do they? and trying to maintain that audience as a provocateur. it's horrible. should sarah jeong's twitter history have precluded her hire by "the new york times" as an

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>> so there's something different about this state's primary in kansas for a governor who left a diplomatic post. several of the candidates aren't even old enough to vote yet. it's quite a crowded field. on the republican side the candidates include the current governor, secretary of state and state insurance commissioner, a doctor, a businessman and 17-year-old tyler ruzic. a former wichita mayor and a family doctor are up against 17-year-old jack bergeson and even participating in debates all before graduating from high school. i wanted to see what they've learned and what they're thinking about their issues. jack, let me begin with you.

you're 17 and you can't vote. what should the voting age be? in local elections there has been a trend across the country to lower the age. what should that number be? >> i really believe 16 would be a better number. at 16 most people can drive. people can -- you can work a part-time job. you're paying taxes and -- a lot of 16-year-olds are productive members of our society and i believe they should have the right to say how the government functions and there are more 16-year-olds that are more politically aware they know than people that are much older. i don't think it's as much about age than with political awareness and with the rise of the internet it's easier than ever for younger people to know about politics and 16 would be a much better age than 18 is that it would get people involved earlier and it would allow for a grater involvement in the system. >> tyler, what's it been like out on the campaign trail. do people tend to take you seriously or do they think that this is somewhat of a lark? >> well, people definitely take

me seriously because i think that both on the republican and democratic side i am the most moderate candidate in this race. i am just about dead center, militant moderate as i like to refer to myself as, but they do take me seriously from the beginning. in an op ed that i wrote for the kansas city starsy is that ideas and not age that matters in the race. i think the voters are behind me. they're really taking me seriously, but of course, the state republican party has really been doing everything they can to suppress my voice by not including me in the state party-sponsored debates. >> a centrist. a man after my own heart. jack bergeson, medical marijuana. the rules have been relaxed in kansas. how far should we go? give me a quick answer. >> well, i really believe what we should do with marijuana is we can legalize it for recreational purposes and do

what washington has done and with that we can use the funds to fund the crumbling education and infrastructure system and colorado used it for the education system and we could use that in kansas and not only is it a civil rights issue and it is an issue about ensuring that we have the funds to properly educate our children. >> that sounds pretty liberal, tyler. are you prepared to go that far and open the doors on pot? >> you know, as i say, i'd say the theme of my campaign is we have to meet in the middle and focus on where we agree instead of where we disagree, the principle of president reagan. what i believe is when it comes to marijuana i believe on the medical level it should be legalized, but on the y recreational level we should work to decriminalization before we go to full legalization. the stance and the issue in kansas has many different perspectives, obviously, cans ans are taking a more conservative look at the issue, and i think our action on the issue of marijuana should be

representative of the people in the state of kansas and not just following the trends of our great neighbors in missouri or colorado. >> being. >> jack, what should be the minimum wage? set the number, what should it be? >> i definitely believe it should be much higher. 15 would be ideal because that is the minimum, someone can work in the united states and not be in poverty. it is a crime that someone works 40 hours a week and still live in poverty. that is one issue we need to be incremental on and i believe going to tennessee or 12 in the very beginning, but the goal should be 15 and i want to make it very clear that we are working so no one has to work 40 hours a week and still be in poverty. >> tyler, what's the number? i think $7.25 may be a good base sign for it. i know many young people are able to start jobs at a higher pay than that, but obviously,

many minimum-wage jobs are low skill. they don't require a college degree or many times they don't require a high school diploma. i think that's why it's lower, but i believe that the federal government should get out of the wage issue, and i think it should be more localized and up to communities, municipalities and counties to set a better number so they can really set a wage that fits the individual economic and fiscal needs of businesses and workers in their communities. >> hey, guys, i think it's great that you're running. i myself ran when i was in my 20s. it didn't work out for me, but it was one of the best experiences of my life. so i salute you both and thank you for being here. >> yes. >> thank you so much for having us on today. >> yes. thank you. >> jack bergeson, tyler ruddzik on a ticket for all of us at some point in the future, don't you think? >> up next, when nuclear warfares were at their peak, the

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timely. with my family, i visited the top secret cold war bunker for the u.s. congress in case of nuclear war with the soviets. it's buried underneath west virginia's grin briar resort, a spectacular resort for american families and u.s. presidents. one of them. eisenhower, initiated the construction of the bunker at the outset of the cold war and for more than three decade, it was maintained as an active facility complete with a regularly rotated food supply to house potential inhabitants for up to six months. then in 1992, a journalist exposed the set up in a "washington post" magazine cover story called the ultimate congressional hide away. today, the tour costs $39 per person. it's worth the price. even though as a taxpayer, i thought i had paid for it. hidden behind four blast doors, contamination chamber, 18 dorms designed to house more than

1,000 people. a power plant with purification treatment, including storage tanks and three 14,000 gallon diesel fuel tanks. medical clinic with a dozen hospital beds and operating rooms, laboratory, pharmacy, icu, cafeteria and meeting rooms for the house and for the senate. this is a video of me checking out the thickness of one of the four blast doors. part of the genius of the bunker is how portions were hidden in plain sight. but the more i saw, the longer my list of open questions. the bupger is said to be roughly two underground football fields, is why did i see half that? we were told today the bunker is used for data storage by a division of the railroad that once owned the green brirks but did data storage -- power generators or the constant

filling of the watt rer tanks or the maintenance of the 42,000 gallons of diesel fuel? my mind race, i returned to my cottage and e-mailed ted. was it possible that the bunker was still hiding in plain sight i asked? indeed, it could be, the perfect cover, both decommissioned, but operational at a moment's notice, he replied. why not. he wrote adding personally, personally, i don't think so. but i've often wondered. well, i'm wondering, took into consideration but what a great vacation. still to come, the final survey results on this question. go vote. should sarah johns twitter history have precluded her hire by "the new york times" as an editorial board member?

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time to see how you responded to the survey question. should sarah johns twitter history have precluded her hire by "the new york times" as an editorial board member. survey says 7,461 votes, 61% say yes. should have precluded. 39% say no. here's more of what came in during the course of the program. what have we got? sm smer con ib, the only issue most folks have with her is the

double standard bigger than the raccoon balls and her antipolice video. hey, mathematician, point dually noted that if any other group were disparaged in the tweets, if it were not white folks the way some of these tweets do focus, if it had been minorities, people of color, some other ethnic racial group, i don't think they would have  hired her. i think your point is well taken in that regard. what else? smerconish, what's the difference between sarah john and roseanne barr other than her fancy degree. look, if she is sending back something nasty to a person who said to her if i saw you, i would sock you right if your lesbian face or somebody who says shut the f up, you dog eating, it's a slur. it's horrible. gook. she gets a license from me to say whatever she want to say.

to those individuals. counterpunching, i don't do it. i don't do it. i just ignore the nasty ones that come into my own feed, but to each their own. but unsog it is solis itted to go after cops, that's different. i looked at the video k maybe she thought she was being funny. f the police in the raccoon dog video. probably going to do wonders for that movie. but i see a difference. that which is unprompted and that which is in response to this sort of thing. another one. should trump be fired for his tweets? if not, then nobody else should be. now, dottie, you're ruining the program. because we haven't mention eed president this week chbment notb ratley. it's if fist ham i have done in

a few years when not one of my four blocks was all about donald trump. i don't think since before the election since he was candidate trump, not since mh 370 disappeared have i done a show that's been trumpless and you just spoiled that. check out the program on cnn go and on demand. thanks. tonight on the axe files. mitch landreu takes on the stage. >> he weakened us and he should be ashamed of himself. >> his fight to remove confederate monuments. >> it really really, really clear that this was wrong and it needed to be corrected. >> race in america. >> you think the president is a racist? >> in the south, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's usual lay duck. >> and whether he