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this week began with president trump saying he might sit down with the islamic republic's leader. >> i would meet with iran if they want to meet. >> we ended with iran's show of force in the all important straits of hormus. put down your popcorn and pay attention. >> we're about to begin our dissent into los angeles. >> why are the first few minutes of so many great movies so important? my favorite college professor will explain. first, here is my take. donald trump campaigned as someone who wanted to get america out of middle but he also cast himself as a tough y guy. his initial instincts were to show force in america's war zone. add of troops, more aggressive rules of engagement, bigger bombs. now we get reports that the
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trump administration is searching for a negotiated settlement with the taliban. the administration is on the right path. it's a very difficult one to navigate. the war in afghanistan that began in 2001, is the longest administration in history. both the bush and obama administration sought a way out of afghanistan but they found it difficult to just leave and declare victory. the simple reality was the taliban advanced as american troops withdrew putting the democratic elected government in peril. as america stepped back, it was clear that other countries would fill the vacuum. yet, the united states cannot stay in afghanistan forever. our presence distorted foreign policy tieing significant
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resources to an area of limited national interest to americans. it creates a dependency for the fragile afghan government. america is spending 45 billion dollar a year. that's more than double afghanistans entire gdp. what is the right exit strategy. any political settlement will be extremely difficult and require negotiations with the taliban and regional powers. the central reality washington must come to grips with is it will have to allow the taliban a for formal role in power sharing. in a 2014 report, a pair of scholars said the key to ending protracted surgency has been to accommodate.
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don't let the u.s. military be the lead negotiators because their stark message to the insurgents, as the top u.s. commander in afghanistan, has made clear, has been reconcile or die. ruben said this is not the way to start a dialogue with people whose entire culture is around personal and collective honor. look at a map, ruben said. afghanistan is land locked. america needs supply roots. the three countries that could help with access are pakistan, russia and iran. we have bad relations with all three. ruben's chief advice is to work hard at the diplomacy and recognize other countries have an interest and engage them.
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a successful outcome is dependent upon involvement from russia, india, iran and pakistan. it has to decide how much to involve india that would shift the strategic landscape all tolg together. this is the difficult work of diplomacy that the trump a administratiad administration has decided to ignore. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my washington post column this week. let's get started. another day, another head scratching tweet from donald trump. this time it's about
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immigration. i would be willing to shut down government if the democrats do not give us the votes for border security, which is the wall. that wall has been a long time obsession for the president of the united states. listen to what he said in june of 2015. >> i would build a great wall. nobody builds walls better than me, believe me. i will build a great, great wall on our southern boarder. i will have mexico pay for that wall. mark my words. >> what is the status of the wall from the mexican perspective? joining me now is mexico's foreign minister. pleasure to have you on. great to be back. >> one of the things that the president tweeted about was the need for the wall was urgent now because of the dramatic crime in mexico. how do you respond to that? >> first of all, it's not a mexican issue.
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we understand american sovereignty and it's full right to protect borders but we will not allow such an issue to define our relationship. we need to see through our differences. we need to work together. that's how we have been approaching this in a constructive and serious way. definitely the border will not allow to define the relationship. it's not for mexico or mexicans to decide on the border. it's an idea, which is not a friendly one. i don't think it would work for the objectives of the united states. >> what do you make of his argument that the reason
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fwheeded this fwheed -- need this is because rime is running ramp aant in mexico? >> we do not carry on the relationship between tweet.this rampant in mexico? >> we do not carry on the relationship between tweet. we don't negotiate through social media. it's not an issue we should allow defined by. >> do you have any sense from your negotiations with them as to whether they have ever brought up the issue of mexico paying for the wall in a serious way. is there any proposal? is there any american proposal that's serious that would have you pay for the wall? >> we made it clear that the president has been transparent about the fact there's no circumstance under which mexico would pay for wall.
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therefore, he says not being part of the conversation. i've been part of every negotiation since the trump administration started. we never discussed that because it's an issue that we all know. i think they know what mexico's position about it. it's not a position that will change. you will not find any mexican who is willing to accept the notion of that. that is not an issue. it's not an issue that defines the negotiations. >> another joint problem, it seems to me, the fact that mexico is no longer, a country that's exporting migrants as a transient country. there's more people trying to get in from mexico from central mexico than there are mexicans trying to get into the u.s. do you find the trump administration is sympathetic to this issue and tries to work with you on it? >> i think that there's a much
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better understanding for what the actual numbers. for over 15 years, net migration from mexico into the u.s. has been negative. every year more people coming back into mexico than people from mexico, mexicans trying to get into the united states. however, mexico, as your absolutely right, as become a transit country. we are facing the fact that hundreds of thousands of central americans try to get into mexico with the purpose of staying into mexico but get into the united states. this presents a significant challenge for every country involved. for guatemala, honduras, el salvador and the united states. this is a shared challenge. we should work together in sharing human rights that all migrants are treated well and we cannot just address a problem by joining to enforce border control. that's part of the solution but
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the real solution is to invest jointly in developing central america. this is something our future president is strongly proposing. >> i want to ask you about the election if you're a recent of the president. for the last 20 years mexico has been lekts ielecting governments been very pro-american. that's really transformed the relationship which for many decades before that was adversarial. he was polling low numbers. then donald trump announces his nomination and starts blasting mexico. do you think he was elected president of the mexico because the mexican people wanted to show an act of defiance against
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donald trump's anti-mexican rhetoric? >> i'm not the political analyst. i will defer that question to the people who really understand political science. mexico has a sufficiently election. it was a transparent process that we elected a new president with strong, popular support. i'm very encouraged by the fact that the transition is happening very smoothly and we're collaborating with the future government, the future president. that includes the relationship with the u.s. we're neighbors. we will remain neighbors. it's much better for the people of america and mexico to have a good relationship. it's encouraging no matter what was said. both in the u.s. and then in mexico. that's in the past. what i see is a build up of a
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good relationship and nothing can be better for the people of mexico than having a constructive, respectful relationship with the u.s. >> mr. foreign minister, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. great to see you. next on gps. >> little rocket man. >> president trump has gone from calling kim jong-un names just a few months ago to tweeting very nice things about him. is it possible to imagine such a 180 degree turn on iran as well? the president seems to have opened that door this week. more on that when we come back.
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counterpart, never, ever threaten the united states again or you will suffer consequences the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before. then this monday trump took a different tone saying this at a news conference. >> i would meet with iran if they wanted to meet. i don't know if they're ready yet. they're having a hard time right now. i ended the iran deal. it was a ridiculous deal. i do believe they will probably end up wanting to meet. i'm ready to meet any time they want to. >> he went onto say there would be no pre-conditions to a meeting. at the end of the week iran conducted a naval exercise in the straits of hormuz. what is going on inside iran? joining me now to fill us in is tehran bureau chief for the new york times. thomas, what do you make of this naval exercise? >> this is, of
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flexing by the iranians. they have said we can close off the strait of hormuz into the persian gulf, into which 20% of the world's nrnl flenergy flows. they want to send a signal to the united states but also their renalal allies that rye riran cn do. this can close off the strait of hormuz. iran can do. this can close off the strait of hormuz. iran can do. this can close off the strait of hormuz. iran can do. this can close off the strait of hormuz.iran can do. this can close off the strait of hormuz. >> would that not cause rouge r -- huge ripple effects through the straits? >> absolutely. that's why i don't think iran is really intent on closing off the strait of hormuz. if they would do so, not only would they not be able to export their own oil, they would very possibly invite military action by the united states or its
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regional allies. as you mentioned, china, iran's only remaining customer for oil plus iran's main trade partner would be hit very hard by a rise in energy prices and by shortage of oil. they would alienate the chinese if they close off the straight of hormuz. >> what are iranians making of donald trump's offer? casually stated that he would be willing to meet with no conditions. >> what the iranian officials would say or have said is something that's pretty clear. they are ideological. they wanted to speak public to the yiunited states in the past0 years. i spoke to a building constructer, a lawyer, a hairdresser. they all said why don't we talk to donald trump. this remark comes from the
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background of iran's declining economy. the national currency has lost over 80% of its value in the last year. take your bank account and just deduct 80%. that's what happened to iran, to the purchasing power of iranians here in this country because of mismanagement by iran's leaders but also because of the threats of sanctions. sanctions that will be implem t implemented in first round of u.s. sanctions from august 6th. these people are saying why don't we talk to united states. the north koreans are talking to the united states. the taliban wants to talk to united states. why can't iran do that? that was the sentiment on the street. >> the regime is clearly under pressure. the economy is doing badly. the iran deal seems to have fallen through. not many successes. meanwhile the u.s. administration, mike pompeo, is
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clearly outlining a strategy of regime change. the israeli government is feeding these fires. does it feel to you like we're in some kind of pre-revolutionary moment where this regime could collapse? >> for revolution you would need lots of people on the streets. we are seeing protest in iran. in the past six months there's been simmering protests across the country. in january, you might remember in over 80 cities people took to the streets. 25 people were killed. almost 4,000 people arrested. in the months following that period, there's been low level protests, if you will. h hundreds of people in this city. hundreds of people in that city. those protests have been picked up. there's been protesting in cities. what is not just happening at this point is the bulk of the iranian's, the iranian middle class is joining in this
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protest. they feel the outcome of such protest is still too uncertain to join in. many people say they are fed up with their leaders and many people also say they dislike donald trump. they at this poipt in time don't yet see how this protest can change their life for the better. >> as always, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. next on "gps." when the hoover dam was built, it was perhaps the most ambitious and innovative project of its time. now nearly a century later, modern innovators have new plans for the dam that could rock the world again. find out what is going on when we come back. want to end the d. and we walk so that one day, there will be a white flower for alzheimer's first survivor. join the fight at alz.org/walk. uhp. i didn't believe it. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? ♪
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american unemployment is way down. there's still more than six million people in is u.s. who would like a job but don't have one. what to do? my next guest has a plan. under her job guarantee plan, every one who wants to work would be guaranteed a job that pays at least $15 per hour. who would pay for this? the federal government. how exactly without racking up even more debt? stephanie who was an economic advisor for the bernie sanders campaign says the federal government doesn't have to worry about how to pay for it. i wanted to understand more. she started by telling me how she came up with the job guarantee plan. >> when fdr talked about a bill of economic rights, he was talking about really guaranteeing certain things to
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all americans. number one on the list was the right to employment. this is an idea that's become sort of popular lately. you have a number of people in both the house and the senate who have introduced legislation to try to make fdr and martin luther king's dream a reality. it asks the question would we create a job for every one who wants to work in america. >> isn't that flying the face of basic capitalism which is to say the market determines whether there are needs and companies try to fill those needs. that's the process by which it happens. the idea of actually intervening in the job market is seen as more market unfriendly. >> i think it's extremely market friendly. it's extremely pro-business. what it does is say right now what we're doing is leaving millions of people behind.
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they want work and they can't find it anywhere else in the economy. on some level the real economy, the private economy is failing millions of people. what the federal job idea guarantee does is say what if we ensure that everybody who wants to work is afforded the opportunity to a job. what we foinind is if we were t put people to work, we raise economic prosperity for everyone. it benefits private business as well. >> how much would it cost? >> it depends where are in the business cycle. if you start now, it will be less costly. if you're trying to do this when you're shedding 800,000 jobs a month it will be more expensive. the ooanswer is you're probably going to employ 15 million people and spending something between 400 and 550 billion annually. >> the premise is is it fair to say that your basic view is the
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government can't run out of money. that all the people on the riepright and left who worry about social security and medicare and student loans and say trillions of dollars, what you seem to be saying is it doesn't really matter. you're saying the government can print more if it runs out. >> i don't you that terminology but that's what it is. the united states government, federal government of the united states of america is the source of the u.s. dollar. they are the issuer of the currency. they have given the exclusive right to create the currency. there's big trouble. they have the exclusive right to create the dollar. that gives them extreme power. they have the power of the purpose. they can never face bills that they can't pay. financial constraint isn't the relevant constraint.
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it's inflation. do we have the machine, the factory, the materials to do as much as we'd like to do. >> isn't the problem that if you print all this money, you produce inflation because the expectations of everybody changes. this is what happened in germany in the 1920s which led to hyperinflation. this is what's happening in various countries. >> no. printing money doesn't cause inflation. spending money can be inflationary. that's why i keep saying the limits are real and governments can't just spend willy nilly. >> who do you think they aren't up against these already when you have debt to gdp levels that are as high as they were after world war irkii. people say we're already at the limits. >> if we had 21 trillion in debt
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and the interest income was being received then i would say we have a limit. we have hit the limit. that's not the case. >> do you think the democrats are ready to be as bold and radical as you're describing? >> i think they are reaching really high. i don't know if are they are ready to be as bold as i'm suggesting we could be but what we're starting do s ining to set of democrats are some pretty ambitious policy proposals. i think they are reeaching high. >> behind ever politician was an academic scribbler writing way. if we hear these ideas, you'll know who was scribbling behind the scenes. >> thank you. up next, the godfather, the graduate. why the first few minute ofs of film can be so important. fascinating stuff from the woman who opened my eyes to the won r
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when i speak at college campuses, i'm often asked a question for me that's easy to answer. the question is what was your favorite college course. you might expect it to be something on foreign policy or history or economics. it was not. the course i took at yale that captivated me the most was classics in the history of american cinema or something like that. it was taught by the great film scholar. once a week in the class i was able to escape the pressures of a student's life and enter other worlds as imagined in the greatest films of all time. it's my great pleasure to be reunited with my professor today. welcome. >> i'm delighted to be here. >> why is it that you wanted to write a book about the opening
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scenes of movies? why opening scenes so important? >> first impressions count. whether it's meeting someone for the first time or sitting down in that theater and watching the opening images. that's going to determine whether you want to stay with the person or the movie. in terms of film, i have found that most of the great movies tell you, they give you in first few scenes the keys by which to unlock the rest of the movie. >> you give an example of shindler's list. describe that opening scene. it's such a powerful illustration of what you're saying. >> it could have begun in a number of ways. it was the lighting of a sabbath candle and you hear the hebrew prayer. something with ritual and c continuity and survival. the smoke from the candle becomes the smoke of a train in
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landscape that takes you into our view of world war ii. that's the second of say two layers of the opening. in that second one you see lists being typed introducing the importance of typing names. then you see a man but only through his hands in a room. the mystery. who is this person? we assume it's the title character but all we hear are details. even when he goes to a nightclub, spielbburg refuses to show his face. why? i thought about that a lot after watching the film twice. i decided he is introducing so many important elements of film such as the mystery. why did this profiteering, member of the nazi party list
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his life to save 1100 jews during the holocaust? we'll never really know. >> there's a scene from the classroom but the godfather. many people think of as the greatest film of all time. that opening scene is extraordinary. the line that it begins with. this immigrant, he says i believe in america. >> i believe in america. >> i love the gradual reveal. this is what when i first saw the godfather, even though i was quite young, i knew i was in the hands of master story teller. it's not just the lines become spoken closely into the camera. it's the gradual reveal. the camera slowly pulls back to show you we're in darkened room. it's a slight wave of his wrist that tells me he's in the frame. then we cut to him, and i start to understand how the power of this man is indirect.
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it's quiet. it's extensive. i didn't know there were other men in the room at the beginning of the shot. then i realized, this is his doma domain. >> you talk about how you can have a very intelligent film maker convey his intelligence immediately. >> the first line of dialogue as we see benjamin sitting in an airplane is we're beginning our dissent into los angeles. nichos said he was proud the entire theme was encapsulated in that. a vozoom flattens space. we move from benjamin's face in a way that's appropriate because it expresses his emotional situation returning to his parents home. that kind of flattening.
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when ghhe gets to the airport, expresses his lack of control. he's on this conveyor belt much like suitcases. there's a line when you see the suitcase, do they match. some film makers are not content to merely tell a good story. they find the exactly appropriate cinematic language. >> in way your message to people who go to the movies is seeing a movie by an important director, they're being very thoughtful about how they construct these movie, particularly the opening scene, so pay attention. >> that's exactly my message. you said it. it's to be alert. to have an active engagement
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with a movie. some people go and absorb like a sponge. i'm interested in another kind of cinema. i'm going to use that term. it's part of the history of art. it's part of how still so many of us learn about the world. >> pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. next on "gps," finding christ and finding votes. how the power of the evangelical vote in the u.s. is swiftly being replicated south of the border. that story when we come back. to. and we walk so that one day, there will be a white flower for alzheimer's first survivor. join the fight at alz.org/walk. tremfya® is fors caadults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i'm ready. with tremfya®, you can get clearer. and stay clearer. in fact, most patients who saw 90% clearer skin at 28 weeks stayed clearer through 48 weeks. tremfya® works better than humira® at providing clearer skin,
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were reports of a government task force to revoke the citizenship of naturalized american who is are accused of cheating on citizenship applications. the u.s. isn't alone in trying to snip citizens of their passports. which nation is poised to strip the citizenship of approximately 4 million people? egypt, india, brazil or belarus? stay tuned and i'll tell you the answer. my book of the week is "fact fullness." it's a fact filled book with great charts that will teach you more than thousands of pages of prose. the lead author was a "gps"
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favorite. now for the last look. that was no ordinary baptism. first the location was the jordan river. the same waters that christians sev receiving baptized christ. last week he officially announced his candidacy for his country's presidency. he's already the front-runner. that's in part thanks to evangelical christians. a new force in latin american politics but one whose foupower growing every day. from mexico's elected president to colomiba's conservative hard liner.
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with conversions on the rise, they clout come continue to grow. what is the secret to gaining their trust? some in latin america have quickly learned how to win them over with anti-abortion and anti-gay rhetoric. let's hope in their urge to throw the bums out, latin's america evangelicals don't anoint too many false prophets. think they want something to get tough about, how about corruption corruptio corruption, crime and miss managememiss mismanagement. the answer is b. they could not prove they or their direct ancestors arrived prior to 1971. this war forced some ten million, mostly muslim refugees into neighboring india where 80%
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of the population is hindu. the government said monday it has no immediate plans to deport anybody. human rights watchers warned that those left off the list risk becoming stateless persons. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. i'm brian stelter. it's time for "reliable stou sources." this is our look at how the news gets made. breaking news from president trump. he's upping his language against the news media and robert mueller. new york times columnist is here with a theory about what's going on. plus, think of him as the story teller in chief. are we in the news media over analyzing his statements and stories. should we be analyzing him like
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