favor. we have a lot of open fire line that has not been wind tested, so that could pose a threat and a challenge to firefighters. >> cal fire deputy chief, mike moller, good luck to you and thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> and to our viewers, thank you very much for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, ominous warning. the president sending a cryptic message about the special counsel, as he huddles with top lawyer rudy giuliani over dinner tonight. plus, a too-close-to-call race got closer. the fight for the republican nomination for governor in kansas now down to less than a hundred votes. just think about that for a second. the current governor trying to fend off the trump-backed candidate is "outfront." and hate in america. a neo-nazi in pennsylvania is saying trump has emboldened him. our chilling report, ahead. let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, playing games. president trump huddling with

his lawyer, rudy giuliani, at dinner tonight, according to a source who tells that to cnn. the two men strategizing after trump sent a cryptic and ominous tweet today, saying, quote, this is an illegally brought, rigged witch hunt, run by people who are totally corrupt and/or conflicted. it was started and paid for by crooked hillary and the democrats, phony dossier, fisa disgrace, and so many lying and dishonest people already fired. 17 angry dems? stay tuned. this came as trump refused to answer questions when asked directly about mueller today. >> mr. president, are you going to sit down with robert mueller? >> thank you. >> the president was tight-lipped because he is l lettile letting rudy giuliani do his attack dog work. >> i think if it isn't over by september, then we have a very, very serious violation of the justice department rules, that you shouldn't be conducting one of these investigations in a 60-day period. >> unfortunately for giuliani and trump, this statement is not

true. there is no rule requiring mueller to end this investigation before the midterm elections, which are what happens in november. in fact, when you look at the overall special counsel investigation itself, the average length of one of these is 1,154 days, according to the "washington post." that is more than double the 449 days mueller's team has been investigating. so mueller could be going on for double this amount of time and more. and it would still be completely average. this, though, is not about facts for giuliani or trump, it is about politics. it's about making mueller look like he's out to get trump. >> put up or shut up, what have you got? so it's about time to get the darned thing over with. it's about time to say, enough, we've tortured this president enough. we should get this resolved. >> "we should get this resolved." "put up or shut up." that's big talk from team trump, which actually has zero control over mueller's timeline. and right now mueller's team is back in court, for their first

russia-related trial. that's, of course, the paul manafort trial. and keep in mind, paul manafort is just one of 32 individuals and three companies that have already been charged by mueller in the 449-day investigation, and that includes 26 russians. now, keep in mind, right, 26 russians, out of 32 individuals. that would seem to be an investigation that's about russia. russians are the vast majority of those charged. yet president trump and his allies keep up the drumbeat that this investigation is a hoax, a witch hunt, or even worse. >> i call it the rigged witch hunt. >> he's out for a scalp. he would love to get trump's scalp. >> robert mueller is looking for people with an agenda against donald trump. robert mueller is the person who should be being investigated. >> and one of the president's staunchest defenders has gone even further, suggesting that congress must protect president trump from mueller. here's devin nunes in a closed-door fund-raiser on july 30th, the leaked recording

obtained by msnbc. >> if sessions won't un-recuse and mueller won't clear the president, we're the only ones, which is really the danger. that's why, i keep -- and thank you for saying it, by the way. we have to keep all of these seats. we have to keep the majority. if we do note keep the majority, all of this goes away. >> it's an astonishing remark, because that's not the job of congress. congress' responsibility is to check the president, the special counsel's job is to investigate him. it's supposed to be fair and unbiased. congress' job is not there to sit there and protect a sitting president. but this is the type of thing we have heard before, to try to rile up and motivate the trump basis, that the midterms are really all about protecting the president. >> this election is going to be about impeachment or no impeachment. >> kaitlan collins is "outfront" live in berkeley heights, new jersey, that is where the president is on his working vacation. kaitlan, what do you know about

this dinner tonight? it's obviously an important one, between the president and rudy giuliani. >> reporter: well, erin, we know it's the first time that president trump and rudy giuliani are going to be in the same room, since rudy giuliani responded to the special counsel's interview proposal that they had submitted to them last week. that's a proposal and a response from giuliani that was more like a rejection, because they don't agree with the special counsel, that the special counsel should be able to ask the president questions about obstruction of justice in person. so the president and rudy giuliani will be dining tonight, that is definitely going to be a topic that they'll likely be discussing during that dinner. this is going on as rudy giuliani is making a confusing argument that the mueller investigation should be shut down by september 1st, but also that if it is still going on during the midterm elections later this year, that it could help rally the president's base and get republicans out to vote and energize them in those elections. now, that's rudy giuliani doing all the talking. the president, for his part, is staying silent on this, not answering shouted questions earlier today about whether or

not he still wants to sit down with robert mueller, something he's expressed interest in, in the past. but he is tweeting those very cryptic messages today. his same angry rhetoric about the special counsels investigation, but those two words at the end there, with erin, "stay tuned," is raising the question of what it is that we're staying tuned for. >> exactly. sort of a cliff-hanger the president likes. is it a threat or not? kaitlan, thank you very much. and now let's go to the democratic congressman jared conley who sits on the foreign affairs and oversight committees. congressman, good to see you. if you were rudy giuliani, it would be a very, very serious violation of justice department rules, that's the quote, if robert mueller doesn't wrap up the investigation by september. he's technically wrong, but do you think the investigation should be wrapped up by then or put on hold formally until after the midterms or not? >> well, i think mueller has to use prudent judgment, which is what the guidelines call for, in, say, indictments, close to

the election that could materially affect the outcome of the election. he needs to use that kind of judgment. but there is absolutely no guideline in the department of justice that says you've got to wrap up an ongoing criminal investigation before an election. or you can't undertake that ongoing investigation during the course of a campaign, including the election itself, and afterwards. that's nonsense. >> so you're saying, just be careful with the indictments, themselves? that's your concern. >> that's right. if you're going to bring new indictments, you need to do it, i think, you know, with a healthy distance between november 6th and when you have the indictments. but i think that argues for don't do it in october. i don't think that argues for, you've got to wrap it up by september 1. >> all right. so, you know, as you say, it's a matter of judgment, as you see it. this comes as the president and rudy giuliani, right, are trying to set some very strict conditions for an interview wl

muell -- with mueller? how long it can be, what are the questions, what is it about? and giuliani specifically said, what did you say about flynn and why did you fire comey are two questions that would be off the table, which if you were going to ask about obstruction of justice, those are core questions, again, if obstruction of justice is important to mueller. if president trump refuses to sit down, do you think that mueller should subpoena him and take the risk of that subpoena being rejected? >> yes. i say you should test that. look, no person is above the law. we are a nation that triumphs the rule of law. the president is not above the rule of law. and a subpoena was issued to president clinton and they negotiated the terms of it. but the idea that giuliani and trump unilaterally get to keep things off the table that can't be asked, that goes to the very heart of the purpose of a criminal investigation. and i think you said it well, erin, those are very material subjects that must be examined, with the president. >> i want to play for you,

again, part of what your colleague, devin nunes, the republican congressman said at that fund-raiser, right, when he said, you know, the reason republicans need to retain control of the house is to protect the president. msnbc obtained that recording. let me just play a brief clip for you. >> if sessions won't un-recuse and mueller won't clear the president, we're the only ones, which is really the danger. that's why i keep -- and thank you for saying it, by the way -- we have to keep all of these seats. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. >> what's your reaction to that? congress is the last group standing to protect the president. >> i wish i could tell you i'm shocked. but i think that devin nunes that has proved that he's nothing but a paid operative for the white house and for this president. and he's willing to sell his soul. and for that matter, his country and the integrity of the united states congress as an institution to serve that cause.

i take an oath and so does he, to uphold the constitution of the united states, to protect the laws, and defend the laws of the united states of america. i do not take an oath and neither does mr. nunes to protect the president of the united states. especially from an ongoing criminal investigation. >> your fellow democrat, congressman ted lieu, said nunes should resign for those comments. do you agree? >> i think nunes should have resigned, frankly, for his despicable behavior earlier as chairman of the intelligence committee, when he actually -- it got so bad, he had to recuse himself for the russia investigation. i think mr. nunes has revealed who and what he is, and i think he has sullied the integrity of the congress of the united states. >> a number of democrats have thrown around the world "treason," in connection with this president, repeatedly. i don't believe you're one of them, at least not that we found today, but several of your colleagues have, and i just wanted to play it for you. >> what donald trump is suggesting is treasonous. >> this is moving into perjury,

false statements, and even into potentially treason. >> i'm saying that the president, by his own definition -- >> don't blame the president! >> let me just ask you, in "the new york times," contributing editor wrote today, that they need to stop, because in the accusations of treason, those comments are destructive. do you think some of your colleagues are going too far and throwing that very, very significant word around too lightly? >> i think we're at a very grave moment in american history. and i think, frankly, our rhetoric and our behavior ought to reflect that. if we're just seen as hyperbolic partisans, we're going to be discredited, and the very serious issues that must be examined will, frankly, be diluted and debased. and we can't afford that at this moment in our history. so i would hope that all of my colleagues would approach this with a seriousness of purpose

and some caution and prudene in their rhetoric. >> so you're -- >> everything we see in front of us is seriousness. >> so you're saying, it's very serious and grave, yet you would not use that word? you're not comfortable saying "treason," not yet? >> no. no, i think that's a pretty strong word. and i think we've got plenty to deal, without having to go there. >> all right, congressman connolly, i appreciate your time. >> thank you, erin. >> and next, a razor-thin race in kansas getting even tighter tonight. can the kansas governor, who's trying to fend off a challenge from trump's pick, keep his job? governor jeff collier is "outfront." plus, a neo-nazi in a small town giving thanks to trump. see what happens when we ask him the questions. >> get the [ bleep ] out of here! [ bleep ] now! and the president refusing to talk about congressman chris collins, the republican charged with insider trading, the first sitting member of congress to openly endorse him.

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250,000, 275,000-plus votes cast. governor jeff colyer is outfront. so i appreciate your time, governor. kris kobach has a razor-thin margin over you of 91 votes. do you want a recount? >> you know, it's too soon. we want the first count to go through, erin. the first count is going to be happening between now and august 20th. there are thousands of ballots out there, mail-in ballots, provisional ballots that haven't been counted yet. and there's only a 91 or a 104 difference, depending on who's counting right now. it's too close to call. >> all right. so you're saying august 20th, not before then. you're not going to call for a recount until august 20th? >> you know, what we're seeing out there is every county has to have a canvass, skpe wiand we w make sure that every vote is counted. there are dozens of ballots that haven't even been delivered yet to the election office. if you were in the mail, if you voted on saturday, sunday, monday, tuesday, put it in the mail. if it's in the mail system,

under kansas law, it has to be counted. under kansas law, ksa2511-32. and it's important we make sure every vote is counted. >> so basically, your bottom line is you're not rushing here, you're going to wait a little bit. >> i think everybody needs to have a little bit of patience. we have to get the first count right. and we want to make sure that every vote is counted. we've heard about provisional ballots, people that were unaffiliated, that had changed to republican on that day, be given -- they were given provisional ballots, rather than an actual republican ballot. we want to make sure the law is followed. we want to make sure all of those mail ballots are counted. >> so the margin tonight, as i just said, at least as we have it right now, according to the secretary of state's website, the secretary of state, obviously, being kris kobach, is 91 votes. earlier today, it was 191 votes. >> correct. >> according to the county clerk, the 100 votes that went to you were left off the state's unofficial results page. as i mentioned, kris kobach is

the secretary of state, so he oversees the vote count, that tally, and that page. do you think this was an inadvertent, honest mistake? >> you know, i don't know why this -- that particular mistake happened and i think as long as we make sure that the law is very clear and being followed, there have been issues out there, i want to make sure that kansans have the confidence that we have the right legal advice in this, and that every vote is counted. >> so, governor, a recount, if there is one, would beover se o by kobach, your rival, because that is his job. he said he would be willing to recuse himself, if you asked him to, to a recount. so have you talked to him or his team directly about that, about a recount. i know you're not ready to demand one yet, but if you do, that you want him to recuse himself? >> it is actually not even about a recount. it is about providing the legal advice. and we have sent him a letter today that asks that these responsibilities be given over

to the attorney general. i think it's important that all of these provision aal ballots, all of these -- >> and you mean, what votes -- are provisionals are going to count or not count, whatever. you want him to recuse himself from that decision making at this point, and that advice. >> i want him to have the correct advice that everybody can rely on. and i think the attorney general would be the right person to do that. >> okay. so has he responded to your letter saying, hey, kris kobach, you should not be doing that, the attorney general should. has he responded to that letter? i know you sent it just about about on hour or so ago? >> that's correct. we have just delivered that letter to him. let's give them some time to respond. >> all right, so you're waiting -- >> i think everybody wants to have a good election, that has integrity, that all of the votes are counted. >> yes. >> let's make sure that that happens. >> you know, the fascinating thing about this, governor, it's not just that it's so close, that so many americans can't even imagine that we're in a situation like that. and that one of the people involved is the sitting governor and the other involved is overseeing the vote count. it's not just that shakespearean

drama, it's this. it's president trump endorsed kris kobach a day before the primary, went on twitter, saying, speaking of kobach, he would be a great governor and has my full endorsement. do you think that made the race closer? >> i don't know what that did. we haven't started to evaluate those things, because the vote hasn't been counted yet. we want to make sure everybody gets their vote counted. we support the president. i'm a republican -- i'm going to support the republican nominee. >> so you'll support kobach if he wins? >> yes, of course. we want a republican governor to win here in kansas. it's about making sure that these republican values, that the economy is growing, that our schools are well-fund. that's the important thing, to me. >> i am curious, though, because, i mean, look, the president didn't have to weigh in on this. and in fact, according to the "new york times," the republican governors' association did not want him to weigh in on this and he chose to, he jumped in, did what he wanted to do, and it was against you and for kobach. your state voted for trump ore

hillary clinton, governor. you know this well, but our viewers may not. more than 20-point margin. is it possible that the president is more in tune with voters in your state and with his base than you are? >> you know, i have been very supportive of the president. we have supported him -- i even wrote a letter nominating him for the nobel prize. i think what's important is -- >> i didn't know that. >> -- he may have had a personal relationship there, i respect that. for me, it's about we unifying as republicans and i think that we are going to continue to lead the state. i'm very excited about the opportunity, we're continuing on in the general election process and we're raising money. we have volunteers flooding in. this is about winning our election. we're happy to work with the president. >> governor, can i just ask you one question, because i'm curious. the nobel prize, was it for kim jong-un explicitly that you wro the letter? >> i have no idea.

>> i was just wondering -- >> there were several governors that signed the that letter there. but for me, what's important is, we're going to work as republicans, we're going to work for the best interests of our state. and i really appreciate that kansans have the opportunity to vote, express their vote, have all of the information in front of them. and i think they're starting to see that i was a governor who was starting to change things. our credit rating is going up. we're dealing with education issues. the economy is starting to improve. i think that's a great message for us. >> all right. well, governor colyer, i appreciate your time and thank you very much. >> great. it's good to be back. >> all right. and next, a disturbing story that you'll see only "outfront." a neo-nazi dividing a small town, growing more confident. he says it's because of president trump. >> we have the possibility of becoming a minority in our own country. and republican congressman chris collins. he wants to be re-elected, saying his name isn't coming off the ballot, even though he's

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movement filled with hate. the man at the center of it says that trump's election has emboldened him and his followers. it comes as white nationalists prepare to take to the streets this weekend, one day after the deadly charlottesville rally. our sara sidner is "outfront" in euless, pennsylvania. i want to warn you, though, when you watch this piece, some of the language that you will hear is the extremely disturbing. >> reporter: in the calm of this rural northern pennsylvania town, a sign that hate lives here. are you a neo-nazi? >> do i embrace it? um, i don't try to push it away. >> reporter: well, you're wearing a swastika on your shirt. >> exactly. >> reporter: and you've got swastika flags. why the flags? why the shirt? why these hateful symbols in this town? >> i don't think they're hateful. i think it's an ideology that has been completely misinterpreted since the third reich. >> reporter: okay, now i've got to stop you. misinterpreted? misinterpreted? 6 million jews -- no -- >> no, you'll never sell me on

that. >> i'm not trying to sell you. it's reality. it's history, it cannot be denied. >> reporter: daniel burnside is a lightning rod of discord in e ewe liss, pennsylvania. >> rural america spoke up when they elected trump. rural america. >> reporter: and by rural america, he means white america. >> we're staring down the barrel of a gun here in rural america. there's still 193 white americans. yes, the vast majority of them are in their 60s and 70s, will be in the ground in the next 20 years, and therefore, we have the possibility of becoming a minority in our own country. a possibility -- >> reporter: it sounds to me like you're afraid of being me. and being me -- >> this is my country. >> reporter: -- is great. >> this is also my country. >> you guys didn't win the culture war. >> reporter: he invited us on his property to talk, but when he doesn't like our conversation, he explodes. >> get the [ bleep ] out of here! [ bleep ] now! >> reporter: we do. just down the street, we're met

by a dozen residents, who say burnside does not speak for this town. >> there are families in this county that blame politics for people like him sort of being able to come out and be very loud. is that fair? >> our president we've got right now hasn't helped the situation a whole lot. you know, he's got a lot of the same beliefs. at least he won't speak against him, okay? this guy feeds off of that stuff. >> reporter: among the crowd, many with grandfathers or fathers who fought the nazis in world war ii. >> we're good people and he's stepping on us. he's stepping on all of us. you know, we are all -- we're all one tribe. you know, who does he think he is? >> reporter: teacher debby hamilton says he just returned from touring concentration camps in poland. >> one of the things we spent a lot of time talking about was passive resistance versus active resistance. >> reporter: so far, they've chosen passive resistance with burnside. on the other side of potter county, joe and sheshina lechner

are convinced that passive resistance is the wrong choice. >> i'm not saying you should go to their houses with pitchforks and guns, you know? i'm saying, hold a peaceful protest against him. >> traditional knights of the ku klux klan neighborhood watch. >> reporter: after seeing kkk flyers appearing in their neighborhood and burnside's declarations in his county, joe did protest, only to receive a threat against one of the supremacists he stood against. >> they would look at me and give me the finger and even make little gestures, you know, like they were going to shoot me. >> reporter: joe says the racial hatred intensified when his jamaican bride arrived. >> in walmart, i got a lot of that. >> reporter: in their minds, if more people stood up against hate, the racist would be forced to leave and let love stand. t the leschners moved about four hours away to another small town, but she finally feels comfortable walking down the street. and as for ulysses, they have

dealt with a neo-nazi before and they pushed him out several years ago, but that was because he broke the law and there's nothing they can do about burnside unless he does the same. >> sara, incredible recording. i want to go to mark marc lamont hill. marc, look, you heard the man there, the neo-nazi, you also heard one of the members of the community there. that gentlemen say, and i quote him, the president that we've got right now hasn't helped the situation a whole lot. he's got a lot of the same beliefs. at least he won't speak against them. this guy, referring to burnside, feeds off of that stuff. your reaction? is this enabled by the president? >> it is absolutely enabled by the president. it's exhausting watching this, with you know? you have a president who normalizes white supremacy, normalizes anti-black racism. even if he doesn't echo what this guy says, he creates an environment where that stuff

seems okay. and that's how he feels. it's not that he creates racism and white supremacy, although he may nurture it, but makes an environment where you can say it out loud, which creates danger for other people. not just abstract danger or theoretical danger, but real-life violence. >> amy? >> yeah, listen, erin, that piece made me sick, too. it made me uncomfortable and i don't like it and i understand why the people feel the way they feel about the guy that lives in their community. but you can't blame this on the president. he has nothing to do with this. we are in an environment right now where everybody is overstimulated, it's a 24-hour news cycle, there's 24/7 social media and it's like a pressure cooker. and people need to take a step back and decompress and get away from politics a little bit, because this is not healthy for us to be always at each other like this. i mean, when you sit most americans down at a table and talk about issues, we agree on most things, erin.

but because of the 24/7 and the social media, it's, everybody's at each other all the time and we need to stop. >> i hear your point, but -- >> okay, go ahead. go ahead. >> so if we're blaming social media and we're blaming the 24-hour news cycle, let's look on social media. who's the biggest tweeter out there? not kanye west, donald trump. let's look at the 24-hour news cycle. who's the biggest story on every news channel? donald trump. if we blame rap music, if we blame music, if we blame movies, if we blame culture, we blame everything down to the teletubbies over the last 30 years, how can we not look at the fact that the biggest pop culture figure, the biggest media figure, the most powerful man in the world is donald trump, a man who has said, there are good people on both sides at a white nationalist rally. someone who says that judge curiel's mexican identity makes him incapable of being impartial. somebody who has said that -- >> i just want to -- i want to play something, because i think this is the question. i want to say, burnside himself,

the man that everyone watching found sickening, you included, he told "the washington post" that since november 2016, activity has doubled, among his neo-nazis, okay? so he's putting trump's inauguration as the date that was important to him in terms of getting followers. and when you hear that other gentlemen say the president won't speak against him, he's got some of the same beliefs, amy, this is what he's talking about. let me someplace some of them and give you a chance. i'm going to play them right now. here's the president. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists, and some, i assume, are good people. we're building a wall. he's a mexican. we're building a wall between here and mexico. >> you are if saying, he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? >> no, i don't think so at all. i think islam hates us. oh, look at my african-american over here. look at him.

are you the greatest? she is a low-iq individual, m maxine waters. she's somewhere in the mid-60s, i believe that. >> amy, do you really think that doesn't embolden neo-nazi, white nationalists, racists? >> erin, why would it embolden them? i think that's ridiculous. look at antifar, they've amped up their attacks, whose fault is that? it goes both ways. it doesn't make it right. donald trump is not a racist. and what is happening here is that people want to throw that racist label at him, because they don't want to talk about the good things he's doing right now. >> because he's saying racist thing. >> these are strawmen. first, no one said it's donald trump's fault. also, this conversation isn't about donald trump being racist. the question is, is there a relationship between what donald trump's doing and how these people are feeling?

the most compelling piece of evidence is that white nationalists are saying, yes, donald trump makes us feel better and stronger and safer and more confident. they're saying that the day that they can marc their origin story of getting stronger is the day he became president. and when you add the laundry list of things that he's said and done that they approve of, it goes to prove that he is strengthening their position. we could have a different conversation about whether or not donald trump is racist, and we could have a different conversation about the red herring of donald trump making the world better, which you were about to go into, but the point right here is that donald trump makes these people feel safer and better and stronger and everything he says and does is in line with their agenda. >> what do you say to that, amy, that the man there, the neo-nazi has said, since 2016, their activity has doubled. he is crediting the election of donald trump. he is the neo-nazi. >> you know, i don't know that that is true. so he's saying it. >> but, amy, with doesndoesn't matter? that's what emboldened a racist

and hateful person? he is crediting the president. >> donald trump has no concern over who supports him and who doesn't. he can't tell people not to support him. and he can't go out there and mic micromanage these groups and communities across the country. >> yes, he can! he can totally tell people not to support him. >> can i finish? i let you talk, marc. let me talk. what you don't want to talk about is that african-american approval ratings from donald trump have doubled in the past month, from 15% to 30%. that's the thing, because he's creating jobs, the economy is back on track. he's doing exactly what he said he was going to do. and that's a big story. but instead, it's like, squirrel! look over here at this! i mean, this guy is nobody. in a little town of 650 or 690 people, in a nation of how many millions, i mean, he's no one. and just putting it on the news is only giving him advertising. i mean, that's what we're doing. >> there are massive rallies planned for this weekend by neo-nazis. >> what's that? >> there are rallies. there are people who are coming out. this is not something that

happened before, amy. >> erin, what are we going to do -- i can't stop that? it doesn't mean that i -- >> i'm not saying you can, but i'm asking, do you acknowledge that the president of the united states is part of the reason? >> no, he's not! >> i don't know how you can acknowledge that! you may say he's not a racist, but you have to acknowledge that he has empowered these people to hear their voice. >> no, what is happening is everybody tries to throw the racist label at him, because there's no way to -- how do you push back against that? you can't totally debunk it, because you can't prove what's on somebody's heart. that's the problem. and so when you can't win -- >> you just admitted we can't totally debunk it. that's a horrific thing to have to admit about a man you support, right? >> i can't totally debunk that he's not a white supremacist. >> he's not a racist, he's not a white supremacist. i mean, that is ridiculous! >> yeah, well, i don't think -- i mean, we can disagree on that. >> okay. >> i don't think it's ridiculous. when you call the countries in africa blank-hole countries. and when you say judge curiel's mexican identity makes it

impossible for him to be impartial. when you refer to mexicans as rapists and thieves. when you go over and over -- when you go to a white pre supremacist rally or hear the news of a white supremacist rally and say there are good people on both sides, there aren't good people at white supremacist rallies. the fact he said that, awful. the fact that he wouldn't not denounce these people, is awful. >> so if he's a racist, why did he just grant alice johnson clemency when barack obama wouldn't? tell me that. why did he let her out of prison. >> that's the kim kardashian -- marc? >> yeah, no, i'm very familiar with it. you can grant someone clemency and still have a belief that they're inferior. you can grant someone clemency and still believe that their countries of original, like africa, are blank-hole countries. i'm not saying he's never done anything for a black person. he may have loaned a black person money, given them a job, given them a hug, put them on "apprentice," gave them a white house position, that doesn't change the fact that he has done and said things as far as policy go that reflect a racist agenda

and an attempt to appeal to white supremacist. that's the problem. >> that's why african-american unemployment is at the low test it's ever been. >> okay, thank you both. >> that's not a racist policy. >> i appreciate your time. next, president trump facing questions about one of his most loyal, and by the way, his first supporter in congress. >> mr. president, any response to chris collins being indicted? plus, another race too close to call. that is the special election in ohio. does democrat danny o'connor believe there are more votes out there to put him over the top? he is "outfront." i'm captain obvious and hotels.com rewards me basically everywhere. so why am i sliding into this ski lodge with my mini horse? because hotels.com lets me do me. sorry, the cold makes him a little horse. hotels.com. you do you and get rewarded.

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new tonight, silence. president trump refusing to answer questions today about representative chris collins, the first member of congress to endorse trump's presidential bid. >> mr. president! any response to chris collins being indicted? mr. president? mr. president, any response to chris collins? >> exit! >> thank you. >> got to love the look on his face there. collins, of course, was arrested yesterday, charged with inside trading. yet, he says he's not giving up. his name is still on the ballot in november. but what was once considered a reliable republican win now, with this, has democrats smelling blood in the water. alex marquardt went on the scene to talk to voters and is "outfront." >> reporter: in the far western reaches of this firmly blue state, new york's 27th

congressional district is as red as it gets. a district that went heavily for president donald trump in 2016, where in that last election, voters gave representative chris collins a 34-point landslide victory. bill schroeder is a mayor in this district and was one of those voters. now, after collins was arrested for and charged with insider trading, schroeder says he and others are changing their minds about the congressman. so what do you think the reaction was in western new york when they saw this happen yesterday, when he was arrested? >> i think, shocked. just, you know, no one would have expected that. so i think they're all still taking it in. like, really? this actually happened? you know, it was pretty major. if i were him, i would be reconsidering my position. >> reporter: you would like to see him step down? >> well, it might be in his best interests as well as the constituents'. >> reporter: across the street is the polka dot diner, a favorite of chris collins. he's come here for campaign stops and to celebrate victories. people here were proud to tell us how often collins stops by. and while they, too, say they were disturbed by the news,

supporters like paul casper told us they're sticking by him, for now. >> it looks kind of bad for him, but i'm still a supporter. >> reporter: you're going to stick with him and vote for him again in november? >> yeah. >> reporter: no question? >> no question. >> reporter: casper wants a court to issue its verdict before the court of public opinion issues there. as does vietnam vet, roy stringham. >> i think he's lost a little support in new york, but these people have been voting for him for, what, seven or eight years now, nine years. >> reporter: you think most will stick by him? >> i think so. >> reporter: as the republican support waivers for collins, democrats are seizing on the chance, however slim, to actually compete in a district they'd otherwise have no chance in. the democratic campaign arm saying, with collins' arrest for corruption, this seat is firmly in play for democrats. and it's nate mcmurray leading the democratic charge. a local town supervisor challenging collins for the seat, now seeing an opening. >> well, it's a shot in the arm for us, that's for sure.

i think that our strategy is to -- it's to tell people, look it! the system has failed you. it has endorsed a candidate that they thought should just coast in. someone we all knew had these problems. someone that despite these problems, party leadership said, this is the guy. >> reporter: and erin, in light of the collins news, independent analysts have changed their rating for this district for november from solidly republican to likely republican. so it is still very much an uphill fight for nate mcmurray and the democrats. still, in a midterm year where republicans are defending so many different districts, spending so much money, this was one district that president trump and the gop did not think that they would have to think about. and now they do. erin? >> thank you very much, alex. appreciate that. and also new tonight, not conceding. we talk about these congressional seats. when we look at the democrat in ohio's special congressional election, he says he has no plans to concede. the race remains too close to

call. danny o'connor trails troy balderson by 1,500 votes. this one is incredibly close. danny o'connor is "outfront" and i appreciate your time. so polls closed 48 hours ago. obviously, you have not yet conceded. i know you are waiting for more votes. what are you waiting for or are you getting ready to concede? >> well, we want to make sure that all the is votes are counted. we still have 8,000 votes that are yet to be counted. we're only down by about 1,500 votes. and we just picked up 200 votes last night. so we're still out there, making sure that democracy works. we still have ballots being mailed in from across the world. we have soldiers across the world who are mailing their ballots back. but, you know, we always news that august 8th was going to be the same win, lose, or too close to call. we've been out the last two days talking to voters about why they need real leadership in washington, d.c. and why we need a change in our political system. >> so, you know, when you look at those numbers -- and look, i get it, 8,000 still outstanding. you're only behind by about

1,500. that adds up to trailing by 0.8%. and i know the threshold, danny, to formally qualify for a recount is half of 1%. now, the thing is, even if you hit that, right, and get the recount, you have to go back to 1984 for a time congressional recount found a different winner, which congress later overturned, which is a separate issue. the bottom line is, how confident are you that this will flip? because every day you wait, you're waiting, and you've got to run against this guy, again, in november. >> yeah, test test they're doing a great job making sure everybody's votes are counted. we're not resting or sitting on our laurels, we're out talking to voters why we need to have real representation in washington and votes go to washington, d.c. who aren't bought and paid for. i was out campaigning yesterday and today. we are encouraged, i was at one of the local diners in our

district, people saying how excited they were to vote and in a couple months and that we're going to washington in a couple weeks. 1984, you just mentioned, been that amount of time since we had a competitive race in the ohio 12 district. people are excited about the choice and excited to send someone to washington who will have their backs. >> you have a fair point. a reliably republican race. the president, of course, won handily, right? you look at the turnout, you had surging turnout in suburban areas that swing democrat and suppressed turnout in urban areas. he had weak turnout and you had amazing turnout. it still tonight was not enough to push you over the top. why do you think november will be different? people said, look, we went all out and lost. we're done, i'm not going to do

this twice. >> we're not worried but we won't rest. we were down 10 points a month ago and as of tonight, down .7 points. give me three months to talk to voters and spend time with folks in their coffee shops to talk about healthcare access. my opponent wants to raise the retirement age. these are things worth fighting for. you give us some time we will have as many conversations as we can have. >> you talk about changing the retirement age. that's controversial. that discussion comes with socialism, a push towards by some in your party. bernie sanders and cortez, proudly a socialist. and ben jealous now the democratic nominee for governor in maryland was asked about this and denied yesterday he was a socialist in some salty terms. here is the exchange. >> reporter: not to put too fine a point on it, do you identify

with the term socialist? >> are you [bleep] kidding me? is that a fine enough point? >> he's apologized for his use of that word. it's clear, he wants nothing to do with being called a socialist. do you agree? you don't want to be called a socialist and you be okay with that? >> we need to move beyond labels. when families sit around the kitchen problem, they're not looking for a solution from the democratic party or republican party or any other ideology. >> college, medicare fraud, that's not your beef or is it? >> you know, i'm focused on making sure we have economic opportunity for all families. i think like you mentioned, protecting the retirement age and earned benefits folks have worked hard for, social security and medicare is so important. we ask folks to work hard in this country and do it 40, 45 years, do it every morning and

clock in and clock out thinking they will have retirement at the end. when folks want to pull the rug out like my opponent does that's a problem. american workers are great and we have their back. >> interesting, you won't decry that label of socialist and don't want a label -- >> no, i wouldn't say i'm a socialist, i am not. find out why folks are turning on paul manafort, left and right. ♪ (electronic dance music)♪

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>> what kind of street is this? >> loud. >> reporter: just like some of manafort's jackets, think python. after his indictment last year, local motorist, dan russell, was driven to start a petition to change the name. >> it's definitely not something to be proud of. >> reporter: the mayor's chief of staff told the "hartford courant" it was to honor paul manafort senior and they would leave it the way it is. >> he was a respected leader of our community. >> reporter: paul manafort, the man on trial? >> i didn't know about that. >> reporter: manafort drive. does that ring a bell? >> no. >> what did he do? i don't know who he is. >> reporter: if they ever do change the name, maybe they ought to change it to paul who drive. other possibilities. >> it could become donald trump drive some day. >> change it to fred shirley

street. >> reporter: is that you? >> yes. >> reporter: fred shirley made a turn on paul manafort. a mouthful. genie moos, cnn. >> turn left on paul manafort drive. >> reporter: new britain, connecticut. >> i don't know where to start. thank you for joining us. anderson starts now. >> good evening, we begin tonight with "keeping them honest" new evidence the chairman of the house intelligence academy is not impartialen the russian investigation evidence that he is protecting the white house, not seeking the truth and it comes straight from the chairman's own mouth, words caught on tape that he sees the role of house republicans as shielding the president in the robert mueller investigation. it was obtained by a progressive group, fuse washington, and private fund-raiser by cathy morris