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win and that win doesn't make the rest of us and what this country stands for losers. that is the closing argument. i don't have to say good night because we're going to keep going. we have a bonus second hour of cuomo primetime. bob mueller's team seems to be circling roger stone. is he target? if so, what cold thuld that mea the president. you will meet democrat sherice davis. there she is. great to have you. talk to you in a bit. senate republicans fearful that hard right conservative may win the primary for an especially senate seat in arizona.
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what did i say, the gop is nervous about a conservative? yes. you'll meet her too. it's friday night. let's get at it. three new faces for mueller grand jury if they all show up. they are all associates of roger stone. one of them known as the manhattan madame testified today. another andrew miller, a former aide of stone's is now appealing a contempt citation for refusing to testify today. radio host randy is set to testify next month. stone says he's the guy who told him wikileaks had dirt on hillary clinton.
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so much intrigue here. in the last hour i had the lawyer for andrew miller on. he says it had to be contempt because i want to appeal there's a special counsel in the first place. this is the process. the judge ruled. the president seems pretty clear. they wind up justifying that an independent counsel is fine as long as you ever someone on top of them who is accountable to the president and here you have rod rosenstein. is this a legit case to you? >> we have already had this particular issue raised by paul manafort and it was struck down. the difference here is that m n morrison, which was a 5-4 decision, there was contention about whether this was a separation of powers issue. this is because the independent counsel was appointed under a statute created by congress.
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the question was mwhether this was intruding on the president's executive function. i think here we addressed that issue. the special counsel regulations are coming out of attorney general himself from the department of justice. there is a direct line, in other words, the president could fire mueller in this case. there's no separation of powers issue. i don't think it will go far. >> ross, do you see it the same way? >> yes. the fact is till stit's still al situation to have a special counsel, anybody outside the norm with this kind of role. having said that, this is an uphill battle for his lawyer, but that's what we have courts
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for. >> sure. he was hitting me over the head with that. it's just one judge. it's just ojudge. we'll see how it plays out. let me ask you another question. do you believe that roger stone is target as indicated by them bringing in these people around him? >> well, it's hard to tell whether he's target or not for sure. the special counsel is interested in roger stone. it's likely that he is setting up a process where he is looking to squeeze roger stone for information. as you got mr. stone to admit, he's the person identified in one of special counsel's indictments and for sure, this special counsel is going to be interested in roger stone's role
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in the russia probe. s >> your head is nodding. do you adopt the same position? >> absolutely. the question here as mentioned was the nature of his communications with the russian hackers. this indictment against the 12 officers mentioned. this was more about passing statement. there could be more behind it that these russian hackers were in contact with the person reported to be roger stone in terms of soliciting feedback and that roger stone boasted he had contact with wikileaks alleged in this indictment coordinated with the russian hacker. this is a big problem for roger stone if he helped them in any way he could be a part of that. >> one thing i do want to note
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is these russian hackers went by guciffer 2.0. lots of people, including journalists had contact. we have to look at the nature of that contact. >> just to test the case a little bit. he's not a state official but you don't have to be because under the statute you are hae helping an election. they didn't hack the e-mail themselves. they got them. >> this is the beauty of conspiracy theory. conspiracy is the criminal manifestation of what we're calling collusion. in conspiracy, what you need is
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an agreement to the objective of the bigger enterprise. in this case to hack into these e-mails and use it and to do one overt act in furtherance of that. you don't have to know everything about the conspiracy or be a part of everything. you can be part of -- you can be liable for the entire conspiracy if you help it along and you know it's happening. >> there has to be an underlying crime there. the question is, what if anything else was happening and was that a crime. in other words, was a u.s. citizen or anybody associated with the campaign in any way involved in the hacking. did they request it.
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>> they got a radio show. they say we're thinking of doing this. sean hannity will give us his show. we're going to run down the probe and put out the arguments why this is wrong. great idea. what do you say? >> this is a weird situation. at the end of the day, this is mu much politics, probably more politics than law. this will be about if congress thinks what the president has done is okay or not. i think they're getting ahead of that. they're making sure the trump supporters know what they are doing and they have a voice. >> another legal commentator
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sent a great response to their analysis. can't have him testify, it's perjury. it's a legal situation in which a prosecutor calls the witness to catch them lying in a statement not for a previous crime. perjury is just when you materially give an untrue statement under oath in response to a specific question. he made an interesting analogy. he said they are afraid of the latter. they are calling it the former. a perjury trap. they are just worried about perjury in general and make it look like he's a victim. fair point? >> i don't think that's a fair point. you're looking at a crime like obstruction of justice, the intent of the person that may have obstructed justice is really key. i think there's a very legitimate reason for robert
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mueller to want to get from trump his own version of what happened. now, there's a legitimate republic reason. he doesn't commit personal jury tells the truth. >> they'll set him up by having other people they decide to believe instead of him. >> that is the problem. >> you believe that's legitimate risk? >> perjury trap is shorthand for the perils of any citizen facing the government in an interview. i think our viewers should imagine themselves sitting in front of a line of -- my friend who is going to question them vigoro vigorously. going to write down everything they say and focus on the nuances. there are very few people who can survivor that even if they are telling the truth.
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i found, in particular, business people who are used to be if charge have problems in that setting. public figures have lots of problems in that setting. it's a very, very difficult thing. perjury trap is shorthand for that notion. >> final point. >> let's remember, false statements which is what it would be in this case because it probably wouldn't be under oath. it has to be a intentional misrepresentation on an intention fact. does fact that you happen to be someone who is large and in charge for a long time used to getting away with lies is not really an excuse or reason to be able to lie. >> high dollar criminal defense attorney. that's what you are. we need to perspective and the arguments. thank you very much. love to have you. thank you for being with me on a
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lots of battles going on in this country right now. one of them is for the heart and soul of the democratic party. the establishment crowd versus the progressive liberal and socialist wing. as the midterms near, one person who can help define the party's future is named sharice davids. davids beat out five challengers in a district that hillary clinton barely won. she's now hoping to unseat republican kevin yoder who is supported, endorsed by president trump. davids is an attorney, a former mma fighter. she would be first lesbian native american congresswoman. welcome to primetime. >> thanks for having me. i'm excited to be here. you represent a lot of potential firsts. what does that mean to you? >> you know, i was raised by a
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single mom who served in the army for 20 years. she taught me a hard work ethic. i use that work ethic to go from johnson county community college right here in the third district to cornell to law school and being a first means that i'm tyking all the opportunities i was able to have here in the third district and i want to make sure that every one else have the same kind of opportunities that i have. >> infieg ighting, you were not of the candidates backed by the bernie sanders part of party but the idea of ultra progressive, ultra left. most of your positions are traditional centrists democrat. is that where you think the party should be?
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w why? >> it's an interesting conversation about where the democratic party is. i'm spending a lot of my time listening to the people of third district. it's important to me as someone who is trying to be a represent tifr of this place, of my community that i listen to the folks here and making sure when i get to congress that i'm a strong voice and advocate for the things we really feel like need to be addressed. >> i hear you on that. >> affordable quality health care. >> like how with the affordable health care. i get the issue. it's an issue everywhere. however, how you do it and how that represents what your party is about matters also and it seems like whether it's you or what we see with connor lamb is that at the end of the day, if democrats may not be on the same page about major policy situations. >> the thing we're interested here in the third district and
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what i hear every single time i talk to me is we're interested in making sure we have a representative that wants to get things down. we have a congress that hasn't been doing that and a representative that hasn't been doing that. the third district is interested in having a democratic because hillary clinton won this district and we really want to make sure that we're electing someone who is going to be a voice for the things that we care about. >> representative yoder, who will be your opponent said something about you. let's play it. >> right now it looks like the race for the democratic nomination is down to a two horse race with the two most radical candidates left in the field. both of these candidates want to turn back the clock on all of our progress. they think with this growing economy needs is radical liberalism and radical socialism. neither of them are from here and both want to force their
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radical ideas. they don't know kansas. they don't know our values and neither of them should be our voice in washington, d.c. >> what do you think he means when he says you don't know the values of kansas and that you are not from this place? >> i'm sure you could tell i was laughing while that was playing. it really is laughable that someone who really has seen so much opportunity in my life because of the foundation that i've had from johnson county community cleollege. we have one of the best community colleges and we have great public schools. if what he means by rolling things back, if he's talking about the tax experiments and the danimage it's done to schoo here, yeah i want to roll that
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back. >> do you think he's making a more personal statement about what you represent personally? >> no. i can't tell what he's talking about. i think that all i can do is continue to represent and speak to and listen to the people of this district. if lyistening the people doesn' strike kevin yoder as being kansas values, i think he might be confused about kansas values. >> i have to talk about something because it marriy matters to -- matters to me. i love mma. i do mostly self-defense but i love it. you were good in the ring. you decided to use your head in a different way but what did you learn in the ring that guides how you are outside the ring? >> i would say discipline.
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you know -- when you're a martial artist and i'm very proud of work i put into being a martial artist, the key skill that you learn to harness is discipline. using the discipline i've learned to progress through my life and figure out ways that i can take the skill sets that i'm picking up across the board whether it's educational or professional experience, the discipline i took from being a martial artist has really helped me not just professionally but in this campaign. >> once a fighter, always a fighter. you got a big fight in front of you. we'll be following what happens wth your party. it will be a very interesting watch. thank you for coming on the show. >> thanks for having me. as you know by now there was
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fox host laura ingraham is trying to explain away what he said. here it is. >> i want to start tieonight by addressing my commentary at the top of last night's show. i made clear that it had nothing to do with race or ethnicity. in some parts of the country it does seem like the america that we know and love doesn't exist anymore. massive demographic changes have been foisted upon the american people. they're changes that none of us
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ever voted for and most of us don't like. thank you for ta >> thank you for taking the opportunity to come on the show. >> laura pointed to massive demographic changes. that means one thing, people. if she wasn't talking about ethnic and race, what kind of people was she talking about? >> i don't know. there are changes going on all across the country. i know she is concerned about immigration. she's an advocate for legal immigration and wants to stop the illegal immigration. she's been focused on the sanction sanctua sanctuary cities. that's what she has been focused on. s >> two things. she mentioned legal immigration as a problem and i don't think we can just dismiss with i don't know what heshe's talking about when she talk about the people
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involved. just because she says she didn't mean it, doesn't mean she doesn't mean it. the truth is aside also. >> she didn't mean what? >> when she says i don't mean race, she had to mean that because that's the only thing demographic changes can be, people. >> okay. i mean, yes. i guess that is right. what are you saying? >> i'm saying she should own what she said which is that certain kinds of people make her feel uncomfortable. that she doesn't see them as part of the america that she knows and loves. i don't think that's a problem for her having admitted that because that's what this country is. krou can't ta you can't take the immigrants out of this country. >> we are a melting pot. i completely agree. i know she has no problem with that. she has daughter she adopted
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from guatemala. she actually just took a trip back there in 2016 with her daughter to feed the poor and the less fortunate. she's done -- >> why is so worried about the massive demographic changes if she loves guatemala so much? >> i can't speak for her. what you're insinuating is she's racist. >> no, no. what i'm saying if she doesn't believe that having brown people here and people of different races and from different places is a problem, then she shouldn't have said it, but she did. >> if she had a problem with that, why would she have adopted a child -- >> i think you can certainly do both things. i think you can adopt a child and to be honest, you brought that up. i didn't. i want to stick to policy positions. i do think you can in one case see a child an want to love them and give them a better life and
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at the same time hold general opinions about the people who are coming into your country from that place. it seems that's the case with laura. >> this is the thing is your entitled to your police chibeli. she has shown that she cares about people of color by the work she's done. let's -- i like to judge people by their actions. maybe she meant something and didn't say it so artfully or gracefully. the thing is her action shows that she cares about those people. what she is concerned about is the illegal immigration in this country that people are pouring across our borders. you have kate murdered in san francisco. you have this grandmother in front of her grandchild and her grand child is beheaded by the ms-13 gang. we can go on and on. >> you can't. that's part of the problem.
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there are certainly horrible cases of terrible crimes performed, committed by illegal immigrants, but it's also true that illegal entrance commit less crime than the rest of us. to make them a boogie man and suggest they are in the main gang banger, homicidal. >> ms-13 is a real problem. >> and so is the mexican faf ma and the latin kings. you only go afterthe ones that have to do with immigrants. why? >> what we're talking about is legal versus illegal immigration. follow the law. we are a nation of immigrants. >> she said legal immigration bothers her as well and she put out a follow up poll that said peep want people want it cut. the president says the same thing again and again.
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they are sepnding the worst, ba people, bad hombre coming from over there. it's not true. it's poisoning perspective on who we are in this country. >> p thwhen i came to cnn nrkcn go into the strict security process. >> neither does the united states. >> they do. they come across or border. come through the legal way. if you want to come here, that's great. apply, go through the process and come here the legal way. we won't have a problem with it. >> i don't know that's true, by the way. there's nothing wrong with saying the law should be respected. there's nothing wrong with saying you must secure your borders. i have yet to have somebody on this show who said not me. i'm for open borders. you love making that argument. i've never had anyone say it. >> there are some people who say it. >> i've never had anybody on the
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left an office holder who has been accused of being that way who had admitted it. what i'm saying is this. you're talking about legal immigration as well. that's why this story about the president's inlaws that he wants make out laws. he wants to call chain migration. it's called family reunification for a good reason. generations of people have come here, made themselves established and help bring other family in. that's how our country as grown. now you want to change what we're all about. >> no. the thing is we are a melting pot. we all came here from somewhere else. that is a great thing about this country. do it legally. that's all we're asking. there's nothing wrong with that. don't try to make us look bad for those that support legal immigration fp that immigration. you're trying the make us look bad. there's nothing wrong with
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supporting legal immigration versus opposing illegal. i'm not a bad person because i want legal immigration. >> amy, have i called you a bad person? >> no. >> have i suggested you're a bad person? >> no. the thing is we are being made out to like we're racists and bad people. >> i understand that you may feel that way. two points. don't to what you're krit sicrig which is accuse me of may be happening with others. i'm not doing that to you. second, it's absolutely okay to be in favor of legal immigration. i would argue that's changing on your side of the ball. you want less people in, you want them from less places. the president said he wants less diversity. more from norway and that's what raises the criticism. i appreciate you coming on and you're welcome back. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. have good week. >> you too. senate republicans are fearful that democrats may take
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an open seat in arizona if either of the two conservative candidates wins. you heard that right. the gop is nervous about conservative candidates. one of them is dr. kelly ward. she's here to make the case, next. only fidelity offers two zero expense ratio index funds directly to investors. and now we have zero account fees for brokerage accounts. at fidelity, those zeros really add up. ♪ maybe i'll win, saved by zero ♪
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>> they try to create fear if the miepds of the voter thinking we have to settle for what we have. i say the status quo has got to go. the people of arizona are the ones i really want their endorsement. >> more than trump? he's become the golden ticket like willy wonka. >> unfortunately, president trump doesn't have a vote in arizona. you know that donald trump being
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behind you is the golden ticket. i love that because i love the movie. you got to want it. >> of course. i think that having the support of the president as a republican in a time when we're going to have a heat wave and bring the heat to drain the swamp, of course it would be wonderful to have the president on board. owe know, it's not the most important endorsement. the most important endorsement is the people of arizona who want a thoughtful, effective, results oriented leader with a proven track record of success. i'm the only one in the race that has those credentials. >> why are you better than joe arpaio? >> i have a proven track record. when i was in the state senate i got 19 bills signed into law based on excellent policy. not on political pandering or any kind of extreme partisanship. great policy i brought forward. people on both sides of the
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aisle agree it would be good for the people they represent. they're tired of the gridlock. they're tired of head butting. they want someone to go there. >> you and arpaio have been coupled often in different analysis of the race. you're both attributed with the same plus and minus. they have a tendency to demonize the immigrant pop youlatiulatio source them as a huge problem. do you think that's fair treatment of you? >> i don't. people who come here illegally really have -- it has affected every aspect of our society. not just arizona but across the entire nation. it's not just an arizona border
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crisis. it affects education. it affects health care. i've seen as a physician up close and personal. education as a mom it's affected public safety. it's affected corrections. all of those things are affected by illegal immigration which is why i'm such a staunch supporter of border security. >> do you believe most illegal immigrants are criminals, bad people? >> i don't. i heard you taublking earlier oa clip of your family and how they got here. my family came the same way. my grandparents came from hungary and poland. they were fleeing communism. they couldn't survive. they came through this great land. they came the right way. both my grandfathers became coal miners.
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they did that so my parents could become teachers. my parents worked hard so my brother and i could become doctors. that's the american dream. i want people to experience that. i want people to be able to experience that. i want them to come the right way. the reason we need a wall is we need a symbol of a right and wrong way to come in. >> it's a pretty expensive symbol. a will the of people think it wouldn't work. ten foot wall, 11-foot ladder. >> my opponent says walls don't work. we're never going to have one. one of my favorite presidents, great american, conservative, happy warrior. he granted amnesty and trusted congress to secure the border. it didn't happen then and it's not going to happen now.
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>> what you said earlier about the dream, a lot of people who come illegally have that same dream. they work themselves to death here and they get paid sub par wages and a lot of industries here and a lot of households here are dependent on thep am a they show they are a benefit as well as how you would define them. the second part is legal immigration is under attack by people in your party as well. donald trump, specifically wants to limit immigration legally in way that would have kept his own inlaws out of this country. that's not embracing the same spirit of inclusion that we see at the foot of the statue of the liberty. fair point. >> i think that people need to come here the right way. i think that proposed -- the you trying to limit who can come the right way. >> we're trying to change the system. >> limit. >> it's right now it's so bogged down by the people who have come here illegally. in my state, the federal court
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dockets are clogged with people have come back through illegal re-entry again and again and again. i just talked to a man yesterday. he came here from brazil as a teenager, the right way. his participants caents came he. it took him 19 years to obtain this citizenship. that's too long. we've got to be able to get people to come in who will be sat assets. >> you should be against trump administration policy they are trying to put through that men like him who are here on a visa that could be approved or not renewed, if there's any sign they used the government benefit like the earned income tax credit or anyone related to them, they can be nixed.
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what an unfair thing to do. do you agree with that? >> i don't think that's what he was on. i think it's something we have to look at. when people come to our country for economic benefit that is paid for by the taxpayer that's something that's unacceptable to most people across the country. they want to be pros roperous o their own. they want them to have skills to take care of themselves to experience the joy and success of having their own job and their families. we have to look at all of those signs because it's not fair to burden the american taxpayer with people who come into our country. >> remember, as we heard from the ceos the other day, they just a burden. not only are immigrants the people that built this country but now you have ceos asking the president to give them more. dr. ward, thank you for making the case. we'll be following your race very closely. >> thank, chris.
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great to be here. president trump ramping up tensions with turkey and nato allie allies. we'll get after this growing crisis with counter terrorism analyst. there's more to it than you may know. for the digital divide is splitting this country. we have parents who are trying to get their kids off of too much social media and computers, and then we have parents who would only hope their children have access. middle school is a really key transition point, right. the stakes start changing. students begin to really start thinking about their futures. what i like about verizon's approach is that it's not limited to just giving kids new tools, it's really about empowering educators to teach in different ways, and exposing kids to more active forms of learning. giving technology is not a total solution. teaching technology, now that is.
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strong man in a world that is the middle east, asia and then you can go into southeast asia where strong men can't show vulnerability. we're trying to isolate president erdogan. he's a strong map. he's looking at us saying i can't afford to show vulnerability by folding in the face of american pressure. >> is it the right move? worth putting sanctions on and straining the relationship for this man? >> no. it's worth straining the relationship for this one american citizen but if you want to put pressure on a country whether it's the iranians, the turks, the north koreans, you have to ensure they don't have an escape valve. what's that? europe, china, russia. what's the first phone call the turks snake putin and say we want you to help us out. >> that's good for us, right? >> did you see what happened to turkey and syria? as soon as we move out the
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butcher of syria turns around and says i want the adversary of america to move in. that's vladimir putin. what does putin do, he moves in. >> what happens next? >> the turks make sure they don't have to respond to american sanctions so in addition to calling people like the russians, they'll call other adversaries like the chinese and say can you give us an opportunity to give us trade deal that we don't have to buckle to ensure donald trump doesn't win? >> is this an opportunity for trump to call putin and see if he'll help him as promised? >> hell no. the first thing that will happen is putin will say i want to restore the russia sort of -- the russian power base after the embarrassment of russia and the fall of the russian empire in -- in the early 1990s. the way to do that is if the
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americans leave a vacuum by pulling out, the russians move in. >> phil mud, thank you very much and have a good weekend. thank you for watching. i'll be right back here monday night and we will get after it. thank you for joining me tonight. have a great weekend. uten-free . (whistles) it's a burrito filled with plants pretending to be meat. here we see the artist making an attempt to bare his soul. it's just a gray dot. there are multiples on the table: one is cash, three are fha, one is va. so what can you do? she's saying a whole lotta people want to buy this house. but you got this! rocket mortgage by quicken loans makes the complex simple. understand the details and get approved in as few as 8 minutes by america's largest mortgage lender.
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we begin with hundreds of extra police officers assembling in charlottesville, virginia on the one year anniversary of a march by neo-nazis. heather heyer was killed when a car plunged into a crowd. the images of what happened in charlottesville, the torch lit march by hundreds of young white men chanting anti-semitic and racist slogans should never be
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