should the media stop broadcasting president trump at every rally and responding to his every tweet because it is just feeding the beast. no, keep it coming. says thomas freedman, he thinks exposing trump's personality will discourage moderate republicans. how does that work in 2016? laura ingram under fire for saying america's going downhill because of immigrants.

were her comments racist? ohio's special election in what's normally a deep red congressional district still too close to call. many is blaming on this man. they thi i will ask another famously accused green party spoiler jill stein what she thinks. does the media help for covering trump's rallies. this debate persisted ever since we elected donald trump. new york times columnist, thomas freedman and this set off a new fire tomorrow. keep up the blanket coverage of trump, it hurts him. freedman says "it appears to be the toxic lying and bullying and

unpresidential behavior that trump exhibits most in his rally and tweets that we excessively cov cover." bring on the coverage. the reaction like places of fox news, is this what everyone says leading up to the 2016 election. >> what a great idea, remember what happened the last time the media covered every tweet and rally and every word of donald trump and every wink and nudge became apart of the media's snark-nato, they elected donald trump, the bozos. is it a no win situation or if you are the president, no lose. i want to know what you think. smerconish.com, answer this question at this hour. does covering every one of president trump's speeches,

rallies and tweets and utter rans hurt or help the gop and trump's re-election. >> thank you for being late. tom, great to have you back. i would be remised if i did not say it in the out set. here you are of another summer of extreme weather. >> well, we can talk about that in a second, let's talk about this whole question of coverage of trump. i don't know who was the moran from fox news who made that point of how did that work in 2016. that's the question that i would ask is how is it working in 2018. what happened in 2016, donald trump was running against h hillary clinton. we know there were a lot of democrats and suburban women and just enough that in a choice between trump and hillary ready to say, really don't like hillary and i think i will take a chance on trump. what has been happening, trump has been locked at 43% approval

and 53% disapproval. we saw in the alabama election and the pennsylvania election and we saw it in the recent election in ohio is that group of independence and moderate republicans and others were ready to take a chance on trump verses hillary are no longer ready to do so because they got the proof of the last two years of his incredible toxic behavior. and so what do we see in ohio? we saw an election in a district that democrats have not won in over three decades. a district that trump won by 11 percentage point and the republicans are barely leading over the democrats by less than 1% point. there is omnivonly way one way explain that that moderate republicans and suburban women and independent voters are

turned off by everything they see and hear trump doing. they see him tweeting, calling lebron james a dummy after lebron james just built a school for i mpoverished students. they see that and it reminded them what a despicable president this is. >> the latest gallup number is 89% approval. where is the evidence of these moderate republicans who are leaving. is it instead the explanation for both the ohio 12 or the pennsylvania special election that there is great enthusiasm among democrats but not that republicans are turning their back on the president. >> i don't think so. >> i don't think you can explain that big of a gap in the ohio

electi election. a district that has not sent a democrat to congress in over three decades, almost sending one now and led alone the alabama election? i am sure there is greater democratic enthusiasm. let's say he only has 89%. let's see 80% among republicans, he narrowly won those states. i don't expect republicans to abandon trump. trump is not a winner in those states. >> you made an observation that from the get-go he made no effort to reach out and expand his base. that observation is undeniable. he has boxed himself in. i want to put up on the screen of this tweet about my colleague about don lemon and something you also made reference to. here is what it occurs to me,

tom, we read it and we find it objectionable. >> lebron james was interviewed by the dumbest man on television and he made lebron looks smart which is not easy to do. i read that and i am appalled by it. but it occurs to me that the people who fill those arenas for him, they love it and he knows their sweet spots. >> you are exactly right. the very things that keep his 40% are the things preventing him from going to 40 or 50. he has a problem. once he got to office he made zero effort to pivot to the center. i think that worked when you have hillary clinton as your opponent. there is a lot of republicans who found her so toxic and they were not going to work for her. he'll moderate when they come in. he has not done that. i think that's going to be a real vulnerability going

forward. >> when i travel and people recognize me because of my association of cnn. i will hear the comments and criticism from trump's tractors. you guys elected him because you guys gave him all that attention. thom thomas friedman from the "time" saying give him all the attention. >> let's say you have a decent democratic candidate to oppose him. you don't have the punching bag of hillary clinton. i think the contrast between trump and that candidate could be very large if he continues to go around and calling people like don lemon and lebron james dummies or his daily kind of divisive and really unstable behavior. >> take my final minute and answer the lay up that i give

you. this is another summer of extreme weather. the sleeper issue for 2020 presidential election could in fact be that we have an election that's not about left or right or hot or cold. if you look at what's going on now or the west that's burning of the center of the country is baking, the east is flooding. you got fire and sweden above the arctic circle and crazy drought by austria. the big question on the ballot is not who lost north korea but who lost planet earth? a democrat candidate who focuses on reenergizing america could have a lot of jer-- watch that issue, mother nature could be on the ballot in 2020. >> it is a good prediction.

tom, thank you so much. come back. >> always a pressure michael, thank you. what are your thoughts. tweet me at smerconish or go to my facebook page. what will do we have katherine? >> the more the media covers him, the more his base loves him. they keep on calling y'all fake news. that's the point i was making to thomas freidman. >> i often said this about the president. the only thing worse in his mie mind, he's probably watching right now. the negative attention is no attention. he wants the attention and look, he gives good ear. he knows how to push the buttons of his base. he's at it today in bedminister tweeting already. >> it does not help the gop at all. they have to answer the

inevitable question of the most recent absurd statement. you take away covering rallies to take away his oxygen. >> try not to get sucked in by the yarn that he throws in on a daily basis. i want to know what you think. go to my websit website @smerconish.com. >> does covering every tweet of trump's speeches and rallies help the gop and trump's re-election. >> up next, laura ingram. was her comment racist? advancing public policy,

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>> in some part of the country it seems like the america that we know and love does not exist anymore. massive demographic changes have been forced on the american people. there are changes that none of us ever voted for and most of us don't like. from virginia to california, we see dark examples of how radically in some way the country has changed. much of this is related to both illegal and some cases legal immigration that of course progressives love. many on twitter calls ingraham's comment racist. she fell compel to explain herself last night. the purpose of last night was to point out the rule of law meaning security of border is something that bind us together. my commentary had nothing to do

with race and ethnicity but a shared goal of keeping america safe and citizens safe and prosperous. >> was she being racist or offering a cultural comment shared by american voters or maybe both. >> joining me now, author of "the recent peace," david, how did you interpret her remarks? >> i didn't interpret her remarks as racist, i interpret it by opportunist, there is a culture that's been cultivated in parts of the right where the goal is not necessarily to inform so much as it is to in flame and the goal is to never back away from a fight and never be seen politically correct. that's an instinct that could get you in trouble particularly when you find yourself using language that if not bordering

on racist, it was language that racist love and they express their love for it. that's on her. i think there is an argument and a sensible argument to be had in this country of how many people should come into this country under what circumstances and whether immigration should be. family based or merit based. those are serious arguments to have. the problem is when you say you are fundamentally changing america and you are using the word demographics, what that is doing is sending a message to people who pay attention to these things that there is some sort of racial mix or ethic mix that's fundamentally american and there is a racial mix and ethic mix that's not. the problem with her climb down is it kind of insults the intelligence of the viewers. it was obvious from context, she was not just talking about the rule of law here. when you use the word like demographics, you are not implying anything of the rule of

law. you are implying something of the mix of the country, that was the real problem of remarks. >> i heard her expressing frustration at change in this country and wanting maintenance of the status quo, and as i am watching for the first time, i thought she was flat out wrong because the change in demographics of this country have more to do with birthrates than they do with immigration. would you agree with that? >> they got a lot to do with birthrates and some to do with immigration and the changing demographics of this country. this country has had changing demographics throughout history but what we have had is a broad consensus around patriotic idea. america is more of an idea based country than it is an ethnicity based country or demographically based country. you know look the unfortunate thing is we do need to have a

series conversation about immigration. it is not the case that there is only one sensible and only one non-race position immigration debate and that only non-race position is more immigration. that's not the case at all. we do need to have a debate around things like should people come into this country have a certain set of skills or language skills. we need to have those kinds of conversations and what happens here is now we are yet in another fire storm of whether the real issue of immigration issue or whether or not they are zenophobic racist. >> she drove a significant part of the president's electorate in 2016. >> i think the significant why donald trump was the gop nominee

and the why he's the president of the united states and running against hillary clinton. it was primarily because of the primary campaign. >> so in closining tell me abou this great, white culture war, it pitched who against whom? >> this is in response to the controversy you saw of sarah young out of "the new york times," there is this talk of can you be racist against white people. my colleague says what she was imitating was a lot of language from white people. there are white people who celebrate the end of tl powhe p of the white male. the point i was making is that a lot of those same people making those arguments occupying the elite level of the academy and

they're not talking about celebrating or losing their power. what they are talking about is celebrating the loss of power that white americans they don't like. they'll still remain on top. they're talking about the battle between the cultural battle between more elite progressive americans who live on the coast who are white and more working class and americans and religious americans who live in the hartland aeart land. when you look at this and you realize the person that's making this argument in silicon valley is not arguing for the lost of their own status. they'll be fine. they're arguing of a political defeat of people they don't ike alike and it is becoming -- race plays in my way. it is hard to take when a white

progressive elite from the coast says the day of the white person is over but they're not talking about their day. >> it is a provacative piece, i pinned it on my website. >> david, thank you for coming back. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> ingraham needs to be stifled. she is hoping for an all white america. i like diversity of my country. >> i think we are misdirected in looking at immigration because there is much more going on causing the the changes apparently having her so unsettled. >> still to come, rudy giuliani admits that negotiations between robert mueller seems to be

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the 2012 memo. the president's lawyer rudy giuliani have been ham everying hahamerring hard on the idea that mueller should wrap up his investigation before labor day. >> here is what he told cnn this week. when i got involved, i would have told you not testifying would be the right legal strategy but then hurt politically. now i am thinking the contin continuance of the investigation would actually help because people are getting tired of it. >> it is transparently there for the president's team. what if you are robert mueller?

in the summer before the 2016 election, cohen held the conference to criticize hillary clinton and handling her e-mails but he did not bring charges. why did he do that? presu presumably he thought that she's going to win. he diplomdn't want to look like taken a dive for the ig government. thinking of the ramifications of the election, instead of doing his job is what got comey in trouble. what should mueller do publicly in the weeks ahead. joining me is scott frederick son in the d.c. office of folly. counselor, let's put the memo from eric holder. he says in part, politics must

play no role of federal investigators or prosecutors regarding of criminal charges and law enforcement officers and prosecutors may never select the timing or criminal charges for the purpose of affecting the election. it sounds to me that you should not do something affirmative but should you avoid something you would normally do in the conduct of your business? >> well, i think you are reading the holder memorandum correctly. >> but, that does not mean he stops working on his investigation. it means he has to be careful in any action he takes that it does not have a direct pack on the election. he'll continue with this incisi

incisio investigation. i think mr. rudy giuliani is dreaming if he thinks the report will be done and provided before september 1st. i don't see reports coming from mueller after labor day as you get close to the election. mueller has a trial coming up in september of mr. manafort here in washington, d.c. he subpoenaed individuals to the grand jury and he's actively involved in the investigation. none of that has to stop and he won't stop doing any of that. i think with respect to the report and if he envisions any charges that come close to mr. trump or close associates or family, that's the kind of thing that he'll avoid as we are closer to the november elections. >> what if he concludes that rudy giuliani is stone walling him right now and negotiations continue for a few more weeks and all of a sudden it is october. can robert mueller drops a subpoena on the president in

october or will he be procolluded by doing so by virtue of this protocol. the protocol is not something that would procollude him. there are situations where he can subpoena someone. subpoenaing the president close to the election is an action that he'll be reluctant to take and only if he's forced to do so. now k look i don't think there is any questions that rudy giuliani is stone walling and trying to play this out to avoid and interview the president. there is no way he wants the president to be interviewed and so you hear things like perjury trap and such like that. that's not what mueller is going to engage him. and on top of that mueller if any prosecutors were to bring a case that was based on a perjury trap would be thrown out of a federal court by a judge in a heartbeat. >> that's not what special

counsels do. >> mr. fredericksen, donald trump's name was not on the ball ballot. it was debacle for him to -- why is the lesson from comey, just do your job and put on plieblin and ignore the election time line. >> that's what every prosecutor would like to do but here you have a situation where it is the president who is at the heart of this investigation. and, mueller will do his job. mueller will put his blinders on and do everything except when it comes to something that could directly impact the elections. comey's press krcconferences th he held there.

mueller is not going to take any action for which he could be accused of throwing the election to the democrats or the republicans. when it comes to the report, i don't think we'll see that running up close to the elections. >> my final comment, i worry that this investigation is going to continue through the election and i am not talking about 2018. i am talking about 2020. i really appreciate your counsel, thank you for being here. >> of course. i want to remind you to answer our survey questio question @smerconish.com. >> does covering every one of the president's speeches and rallies, does that hurt or help the gop and trump's reelection? >> why are so many angry at this man? he says his ancestors came from another planet. many accused him of his votes.

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the difference between the front runner and the democrat randy o' conner is 1,074. he speaks 19 languages including spanglish. he was attacked on the internet. t then there is the gubernatorial primary. several other candidates are also a mass vote including tyler

rusich having a thousand vote. is it fair to blame long shot candidates and those who voted for them in close elections or those who did not vote at all? that question was just answered with regard to the 2016 presidential election by the folks at the research center. new data makes it clear, non voters handed trump the presidency. 30% americans who were eligible to vote decided not to. a high percentage who voted for trump or clinton, democratic group -- bigger part of the voter pool than non voters. among dprup of clintgroups of c

were of the non-community. joining me now jill stein, dr. stein, did you and gary johnson elect donald trump? >> absolutely not. and in fact if you assume that my vote belong to hillary then you have to assume that gary johnson's vote belong to trump. if you put those two together, it delivers more support to trump than gary johnson delivers more to trump than my vote allegedly hurt clinton. the point i am making here is that voters deserve to actually vote for who they want and who they support. we know from another study and most people who voted for trump were not actually for him.

they were vetoing againoting agy clinton is their main motivator. the point is not we blame independent voters or blaming people who stay home. the blame belongs to two-party system out of step with the majority voters. 60% of voters are clambering for a new independent party that'll not throw they will under the bus that'll provide healthcare and education and that'll deliver a climate that we can live in for the future. the win-win here is not rocket science. there is a small simple voting reform that changes the way our votes are accounted. it was call rank choice voting. it was passed by the state of maine and used in the primary and they had a bigger turn out than ever. it makes the point that people don't show up to vote or don't vote for the establishment candidate because they are not speaking the their needs. we deserve a voting system that

lets us vote for who we want and instead of against who we most hate. >> i agree with you. i would love to see rank choice voting across the country. i don't like the status quo. i don't want just two choices. i don't think that voters and dr. stein, i fight this battle every week on my series iri xm program. a stronger showing by jill stein or gary johnson or whoever it may be sets the table for the next election. we need to break out of this spy role where we only have two choices but we'll never get there if people are always doing that type of calculus. >> exactly. the recent study shows the one

that you mentioned that was reviewed in "the washington post," it shows that the people who are staying at home which you pointed out is the largest plurality of voters. the puig study says it is 40% and not 30%. 40% of eligible voters are not voting. those are hurt by the system that's men kwillennialmillennia. young people who are inheriting this world that's going up in flames that can't provide food and a stable climate and in an economy that we can work with. it is people within average income of $30,000 which is barely poverty. if the people who are being most impacted by this failing two-party system, don't have a choice that will bring them out to vote, we are never going to fix it and democracy is in real trouble. those who think they are

benefiting democracy by getting independent voters and candidates, they have it ba backward. it is authoritarian, voter choice that's available to us and if rank choice voting got more coverage, it will be in a blink of an eye because voters like it and it brings people out to vote. it ensures who got elected has majority support. >> i have only 30 seconds left. i want to say this. i know how this data will be regarded by the parties. republicans will continue to object to any effort that increases ballot access because they'll look at the data and they'll say hey, if we bring

more people out to vote, we'll jeopardize our own standing. you get the quick final word. >> democrats also refused to advance rank choice voting. that's why it is up to us. democracy at the end of the day is we who needs healthcare and jobs and living wages and getting out of students debt. there are real solutions here that makes sense and save money and that are good for the people of our planet. that can start with a simple rank choice voting in your state. it can be implemented by voter's referendum. we can open up our seystem and start taking it back. >> ciyeah, i am for that. >> thank you dr. stein, thank you for being here. >> good to talk to you. >> still to come, what do we have? third party is hardly the problem, it may be the solution.

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president trump's speeches, rallies, tweets and utterances hurt or help the gop and trump's re-election? survey. whoa. whoa daddy. 8289 and we have a deadlock. 50/50 deadlock. it can so easily be argued. i'll leave it up the rest of the day. you can continue to vote. let's see what came in during the course of the program. smerconish, since trump thrives on attention, if media quits paying attention to him, he will witter on the vine. i said myself he wants the attention. what's worse than bad attention is no attention. maybe you have a point. what else do we have? 50/50 deadlock. if republicans were prepared to vote for trump the first time

even after seeing his disgusting attacks on women, disabled, his standing according to gallup among republicans is like 89% are digging it. one more if i have time. i'm told we had many many come in on this subject. wow. really? i mean, yeah, i guess. the glasses. the beard. the hairline. the white shirt. the blue sport coat. and the red tie. yeah. i see it. all we need is the same headline. gang, thank you for watching. catch up anytime at cnn go and on demand. i'm off next week. i'll see you in two weeks. hey allergy muddlers.

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