2020, after he is the governor. >> kemp also says it could cause confusion, suppress turnout and in trump-like fashion says the press is overhyping this. he says anything that says voting is not secure is fake news. >> you would think it would be a bipartisan effort to protect elections. i'm jim sciutto. thanks for watching tonight. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" next, no gaurn teesz. sarah sanders unable to say the president has never used the n word despite trump's adamant denial. why not? trump lashing in and out another vicious attack calling omarosa a dog. the white house says it's not about race. jim mattis undand what this accused of doing to her staff.

let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight. the n worked. the president's spokesperson today was unable to say for certain there was no tape of the president using that vial and racist word. >> can you stand at the podium and guarantee the american people they will never hear donald trump utter the "n" word on a recording in any context? >> i can't guarantee anything. but i can tell you that the president addressed this question directly. i can tell you that i have never heard it. >> just to be clear, you can't guarantee it? >> look, i haven't been in every single room. >> i haven't been in every single room. i can't guarantee anything. let that sink in for a moment. the president's top spokesperson cannot say for sure he hasn't used the n word. it is incredible this is even a question and that we are even talking about it. now as for taped evidence of such a thing, this is an explosive claim that is being made by the president's former senior adviser omarosa manigault

newman. it seems basic, right? the president's press secretary would have asked the president if he used that word before she went out and took questions on the topic. right? go and ask them, then come back out. >> have you asked the president if he has ever used the n word. >> the president addressed that question directly via twitter. i would refer you back to him. >> have you asked him directly sarah. >> the president, i didn't have to. he addressed it to the american people all at one time. >> why haven't you asked him directly? >> again, the president answered that question directly on twitter earlier today. >> she can't guarantee it. she won't say he didn't say it. she is right about one thing. the president answered the question definitively so on twitter saying quote mark burnic called to say there is no tapes of the apprentice where i used such a terrible and disbusting

word as attributed by wacky and deranged omarosa. i don't have that word in my vocabulary and never have. why wouldn't the president secretary say that? does she not trust him? does she think it is possible he would say such a thing because he has already said these thing on tape. >> she is a low iq individual, maxine waters. >> you had people who were fine people on both sides. >> look at my african-american over here. look at him. wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now out. easy fired. >> this all comes as omarosa is releasing a new recording. this time an october 2016 phone conversation where omarosa talks about the possibility of a tape where the president says the "n" word. this conversation is between several campaign officials including katrina pierson the

trump campaign spokeswoman. katrina will be on our show in just a moment. first to the white house. the president was adamant. why don't sanders guarantee, why won't she say he didn't use that racist word? >> that's the he request on everyone's mind here. the president was definitive and clear in his tweet last night saying that word is not in his vocabulary. it seemed like a simple request for the press secretary to say she is quite sure no tape will come out of the president uttering that word. instead sarah said she never heard him say it, that he had said he never said it but she wouldn't state definitively we will never hear president trump saying that word in an audio recording. she also made stunning remarks while fielding questions about omarosa's book. when she was asked about the president referring to one of the top african-american officials in this white house, someone who made $179,000 per

year one of the highest salaries you can earn here in the west wing, referring to her as a dog as he did on twitter this morning, saying he was thankful john kelly fired her so quickly after he entered the west wing, sarah sanders said that wasn't a racist remark by the president because he insults people of all races and does not leave anyone saying he is an equal opportunist when it comes to those jabs. and also not answering a question whether she herself has signed an nda. omarosa is facing backlash possible legal action by the trump campaign saying she vie will itted a non-disclosure. sarah sanders herself not saying whether she had signed one either. >> outfront now, katrina pierson, senior advise for for

the trump 2020 campaign and you are also familiar with her as the spokesperson from the trump 2016 campaign. good to see you again. >> thanks for having me. >> sarah sanders says i can't guarantee anything. he continues to say look i haven't been in every single room. >> are you willing to stay the president has never and would never use that word? >> i reject the question. how can you sit there and ask somebody if they know anything that's not about themselves? i can say the exact same thing sarah said. i never heard him say the word. i judge people by the way they treat me. the fact we are having this conversation is ridiculous and it's because of omarosa's ridiculous claims. >> there are plenty of things he said that put it within the realm of the possibilities. are you comfortable that it doesn't fit within the realm of possibilities of anything you have ever heard him say? >> it's outside of the realm of possibility for me. i can't speak for anybody other

than myself. >> i want to play the tape where you are talking with omarosa and another trump campaign aide, lin patton, about this issue, whether the president used the n word. i know you know the tape. many of the viewers haven't heard it. it just came out today. let me play it. >> i'm trying to find out at to help us maybe try to figure n out a way to spin it. >> can you think of any time this might have happened? and he said no. >> well that's not true. so -- >> how do you think i should handle it? i told him exactly what you said omarosa, which is well it depends on what scenario you are talking about. he said why don't you just go ahead and put it to bed. >> he said it. he said it. he said it. he is embarrassed. >> that's you at the end, for anyone who couldn't hear it, that'sr you said, no, he said it. he is embarrassed.

can you explain what you said? >> absolutely. cbs was laid by omarosa today. omarosa went around making a specific claim that i had been refuting for the last two days. then she took two audios submitted it to them where it was conflated into one story. since then, erin, the transcripts have been released thankfully because now we can see there were two different discussions being had. what i will say is i was refuting the claim that she, omarosa had said that i permanently had a conference call with jason miller and that i said that donald trump actually said a derogatory term. and that is false, and the transcript proves it on call number two. however, what you don't hear on these tapes is omarosa. you don't hear the hours upon hours of omarosa's consistent, constant -- she really was a dog with a bone when it came to this tape. she was dooming and glooming. >> okay. >> this is really important because this is the context of what we are talking about right now. it got to the point to where we

had a campaign to run. what you hear in that tape, which is not the tape she has been referencing is me placating to her, which i did a be in of times, because she with would not let this tape go. >> let me be clear. when you say -- you are know, you are saying that he said it, he's embarrassed was just you play kagt her. and when this tape came out today, right, then it was played. you put out a statement. >> two tapes. >> in your statement, you used that word, katrina, in her secret tape recording of me it was one of the many times i would placate omarosa to move the discussion along because i was weary of her discussion of alleged tape. what i'm trying to understand, if you are weary and trying to placate her how is saying he said it placating? that is admitting? >> it's simple. if you look at the transcripts, which most people haven't seen you see it's omarosa who is the instigator her. she is literally arguing with lin patton. >> you say it katrina.

>> let me get to that. she is arguing with lin patton about him saying it. the president himself says he didn't. omarosa is saying he did. what you hear me saying is me interrupting okay, okay, he said it, he's embarrassed let's move on. that was completely a different context. >> you are not saying he said it. you are saying oh, he said it, he said it it's all about tone. >> your viewers i'm pretty sure have run into an individual that is the complete epitome of annoying to where you absolutely have to finally give in in order to get on about your day. that happened a number of times because omarosa is a bully. she will get in your face if you are not telling her what she wants to hear. she had a mission. what we see now, the only thing omarosa accomplished today is she let everyone know what her tactic was. she would use things and stories and scary tapes to try to coax people into saying what she needed to build this narrative. you can tell that if you read the transcript because myself

and lin patton both refer to her as to the information that's being referenced. >> okay. so i want to understand why there is a discrepancy. last night you told ed henry that the conversation with omarosa never happened, right? the being the tone or what you were play kating or not, you said it never happened. that was before the tape of this very conversation came out. now there is a tape, you came out and put out a statement and you say oh, i said i said what i said because i was play kagt. i want to play the end of what you said. here it is. >> he said it. he's embarrassed. so what changed? now we know the conversation did take place. last night you said it didn't. >> that's not the case. >> but that was before you knew there was a tape. >> that's not the case. that's not the same conversation. that's why it is important to look at the transcript. >> it was the conversation -- >> there are two conversations the claim i'm refuting is omarosa made the claim that i

had a conference call with jason miller and that i confirmed that he said it and that is a lie. the transcripts prove it. totally separate discussions. >> you are saying that conversation with jason miller never happened. what you said last night is not in conflict with the tape today? >> absolutely. i never confirmed that donald trump said a derogatory term to jason miller. it didn't happen. she is conflating two different ips at that. that's how cbs got played. >> in the tape that was played which is about the "n" word when you say the president said it, he's embarrassed you are basically saying at that moment you were lying to omarosa to make her go away? >> yeah, that's the placating. you have to read the full transcript. that's beauty of this. omarosa is the instigator. she is pushing the tape and i am the one that interrupted. >> you are saying it was a blow off sort of a american.

it is not a blow off kinds of a thing is it? >> absolutely. that's the narrative. she consistently pushed this scenario, multiple scenarios. i was tired of it. we had an election to win. that's why i stopped her from arguing with lin and said all right he said it he is embarrassed, move on. my colleagues said to me the only time i said that is because of the access hollywood tape. she was using it to conflate the narrative and the transcripts are proof. >> the president tweets she is wacky, not smart a loser, a low life, someone who missed work and meetings. of course a dog. are you comfortable with this? >> i'm perfectly fine with it. he is nicer than i would have. this is a man that -- this is a man that spent years helping this woman biological her brand, make money, become a star, invested in her ventures, gave her a top job at the white

house, and this is how she's repaying him? i think the president is actually going easy on her. >> so you don't think any of this is racist? >> no, i don't. >> being not smart or a dog, you are comfortable with that? >> not one bit. >> did you ever sign an nda with trump? >> yes, i did, actually. >> basically, if you had heard him say the "n" word you wouldn't tell me about it any way. >> i'm telling you the truth. imnot up here to lie. imtelling you the absolute truth. i signed an nda with the campaign because everybody did. i wouldn't come on the air as a black woman and tell you someone didn't say a derogatory term when they z. i would leave the campaign. it's that simple. >> i appreciate your time, katrina. thank you, and good to talk to you again. >> thank you. next the white house defending trump's latest attack, which is calling omarosa a dog. >> this has absolutely nothing to do with race. >> does it, or not? plus a former executive of

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tonight the white house defending trump calling omarosa manigault newman a dog, insisting that the insult is not about race. >> this has absolutely lee nothi -- absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with the president calling out someone's lack of integrity. the idea that you would only point a few of the things that the president has said negative about people that are minorities -- the fact is the president is an equal opportunity person that calls things like he sees it. he always fights fire with fire and he certainly doesn't hold back on doing that across the board. >> "outfront" now, dana -- tara. >> donald trump has made some

racially insensitive comments in the past that it doesn't matter at this point whether it is racist or not. it's inappropriate. i think it's definitely sexist. i think he was going for a female dog in that word as opposed to something outright racist. donald trump seems to get off by saying derogatory things about people of color, from don lemon, to lebron james, to maxine waters, where he questions their intelligence. that doesn't go unnoticed. so -- and that's just part of -- that's just recent things. that doesn't count the history of comments that donald trump has made that we have rewill it gate many, many times throughout his entire life. so, you know, i think it's fair to say it's inappropriate, petulant and at no point should the president of the united states or executives be making he can accuses about the president of the united states using that language about anyone. >> ben, he does like to call people dogs.

let me give you a couple of examples. >> often. >> let me play a couple of examples. there are tons. >> i'm standing at the debates. i'm watching marco sweating like a dog on my right. the last election should have been won except romney choked like a dog. he choked. >> he used it on twitter to describe ted cruz. steve bannon. >> if there is -- >> here's the question i have for you. >> sure. >> the best comeback that sarah sanders had is the dog thing isn't racist because he calls everybody a dog. does that bother you? >> yeah. >> okay, it bothers you. >> it bothers me because this president of the united states of america. there is one thing, if you want to be offended by a group -- let's say we break it down to the issue of gender and race the number one group that should be offended by donald trump calling him a dog consistently is white conservatives who talked against him in the primary.

the second group that should be angry at him by statistics should thenning white journalists who are the second most offended group that he refers to as a dog. the third group should then be the third group. and the fourth group is a minority african-american woman named omarosa. this is how the president fights back. it is not racist. because it's proof that he goes after conservative white men with the word dog more than any other group. then white journalists more than any other group. then there is a couple of women that you can find. and for people to act like they care about him calling someone a dog and throwing in the racism card and the sexism dog, why weren't you outraged when he was doing it on an almost daily basis against people he was running against, white men? >> i was right here. >> i know where i was. i was here on this network throughout the campaign saying that donald trump's behavior was

unbecoming and it was not acceptable and it was diminishing of the office of the presidency, even when he was a candidate. i didn't support him, and everyone knows that. as a conservative i also pointed out the hypocrisy of conservatives who were supposed to be -- we were supposed to be the party of family values and morals, moral majority making excuse force him behaving like this. evangelicals making excuses for this behavior. where is that community. they should be coming out saying that the president is not crisp like. >> here's the thing. >> here's the other thing. donald trump using the term dog. >> hold on -- >> let me finish. >> let her finish. then you can jump in. >> using the term dog. not only for omarosa, which for women is offensive but in general as an insult. it's pet land. at worst it's dictatorial. that's what dictators do to dehumanize the people below them. neither one of those is good. >> here's what i will say.

>> go ahead. >> working in presidential campaigns you trust someone and they do what omarosa did, recording conversations, clearly never working on your behalf, in real trying to make sure she made a million bucks off of a book deal and blackmailed you and worked against you. >> he hired her. i think everyone around him records conferrings. >> let me finish, let me finish. omarosa never should have been hired. >> these true. >> should have never been close to the campaign. never should have been close to the white house. she had no qualifications for the job. >> why do you hire her. >> why do you hire her, four times. >> let me finish. clearly the president decided and then the white house decided she have not fit for the white house they got rid of her. this is a woman who the entire time was going after her personal gains and personal career and using the white house to her advantage. when you do this, you better expect that your former employer is going to fight back hard against you. that's what the president did. i don't blame him for that. >> he was fine with all of the

above. >> and he fired her. >> about how she cried so he gave her a be jo. then he said wonderful things about her. now he is saying horrific things about her. >> saying horrific things about someone who tape recorded conversations and went into secure locations. >> when the president went on howard stern, when he went on howard stern he was talking about the apprentice and a new version he wanted to do. here's what he said. >> there was a consent, okay, thrown out by some person. nine blacks. >> go ahead. >> against nine whites. >> this i like. what -- >> nine blacks against nine whites, all highly educated, very smart, strong, beautiful people, right? >> yes. >> do you like it? >> yes. >> do you like it, robin? >> well, i think you are going to have a riot. >> yes, i like it. i like it. >> it would -- it would be the highest rated show on television. >> yes. >> let me ask you a couple of questions if i may. i'm pretty good with this stuff.

very dark blacks or light skinned blacks? >> assortment. >> assortment of blacks. >> against whites. >> how many blonds. >> probably none. i would say none. >> wouldn't that set off a racial war in this country? >> actually i don't think it would. i think it would be handled very beautifully by me. >> that was 2005. ben, what do you make of it. that would be handled beautifully by me. assortment of blacks, light skinned, dark skinned. you can write it off to say he said it on howard stern or you can say he said it. >> yeah, this is on howard stern, and this is where they talk about ideas that clearly never came to friday fruition. >> that he liked. an idea he liked. pitting blacks against whites. >> he said this is an unique and interesting idea. i don't like the idea. i think there is a lot of people that unfortunately that would have watched that show. i think when everybody agreed on that point they probably would have watched it. people like watching train wrecks. that's what reality tv is. >> not okay. i think that is certainly rarely. and it goes along with other racial things he has been

attributed to saying. let's not forget someone who used to work for him, john donnelly wrote in a book that donald trump said he didn't like blacks counting his money bass blacks have a trait that was lazy. donald trump never disputed that. that was in a book in 1991. he didn't sue that guy and he could have for defamation if it was untrue. black workers sued him when he owned casinos in land city for racial discrimination at work because it was known they would pull black dealers off of the floor when he came there. there is a litany of things donald trump has said in his career that has been racial. it wouldn't surprise me a if this tape existed. the fact they could come up with that would be amazing. mark burnet owns it, and they have to get donald trump's permission to release any of

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offered $15,000 a month by the trump campaign to keep quiet after she was fired from the white house job. out front now, former president and chief operating officer of trump plaza hotel and casino jack o'donnell, also the author of the book trumped, the inside story of donald trump, his cunning rise and spec lumbar fall. good to have you back. you say when trump learned you were writing this book in 1990 one of his lawyers reached out and tried to pay you off. the me what happened. >> well, he didn't just reach out, erin. and thank you for having me. unannounced at my office. i was working for merv griffin by then, the attorney showed up at my office, walked in unannounced and said he wanted to talk to me. he said we have heard about the book. we want to know what we can do to, you know, to have you kill it. what do you need?

and i said -- i said, joe, i don't need anything. i said, the book is way beyond that point and i need to write in book anyhow to set the record straight on a few issues. but he clearly was offering money. >> money. >> if i would -- >> okay. >> -- kill the publication of the book. >> you say in addition to that durr you are saying it was clear but it doesn't seem like it was explicit in terms of amounter anything like that. but you also received threats, warnings. what were these things? are these things that you think omarosa should be thinking about now? >> well, immediately, you know, during that conversation, when he realized that i would not take money, the threats started right then and there, face to face. the attorney then told me that he was sorry, you know, that that was my position and that what they were going to do next was that they were going to go on a campaign to try to ruin my marriage by creating stories that i was having affairs. they also went on to say that

they were going to ruin my career proflly and they were going to try to try my business ethics into a customer who was allegedly an organized crime member and made it very clear to me that they were going the roon my life, you know, right then and there. after that time -- and i did report that to the division of gaming enforcement in new jersey the next day. because i thought the threats were so serious. but the threats didn't stop after that, erin. they continued. i got not only anonymous threats, but i was told by another executive in the organization to be careful, that i was being followed 24/7, that they were going to do anything that they could to get their hands on that manuscript. >> and obviously you did go ahead and publish it. i mean omarosa now has gone ahead with her book. which you know look there appear to be some serious factual errors in there but she does have tapes which have come out and raised questions. the president responded by

calling her a loser a low life and a dog among other things. do you think his a, tax on omarosa are racist? >> well, i absolutely do. i think that maybe you know people associate the negative connotation of a dog with a woman when they use it that way. i think that's normal. i think combined with omarosa being a woman and an african-american, i think he's used it very strategically. and listen, he does have a very long history. he is a racist through and through. he doesn't have to use the "n" word for it to become very clear what he is. i think in this case -- >> you never heard him use that word explicitly, right, the "n" word itself, just to be clear. >> erin, no, to be clear he never used that word in front of me. and the multiple times that he talked negatively about blacks, puerto ricans in particular, and women, and also, by the way, people with lower economic capability, he talked very

derecognizetively about all four of those groups of people but he never did use that word. >> to your point i think what you are trying to say is he didn't use that word but expressed incredibly racist sentiments. i want to quote from your book. this is you quoting trump, i have got black accountants at trump tower and trump cast he will black guys unt canning my money and i hate it. i think the guy is lazy. it is probably not his fault because lazy seasons a trait in blacks it really is, i believe that. it's not anything they can control. just let that sink in to everybody for a moment, jack. and then let me ask you a very just important question, i think. did you write this down right after? i mean, was that off of a tape? i moon, you put it in quotes. is that truly in quotes, that's what he said? >> yeah, yeah. yeah. i did write that down, erin, right after it happened. and also when i came back from that meeting at trump tower in

new york, this was prior to the accident, i was the present chief operating officer, but i had a gentleman, steve hyde that i reported to. and i told him about it. because i was concerned because that was really the first time that it became crystal clear how donald thought about black people. >> and do you think -- we know the president has talked about taping people. omarosa is taping people. do you think there are going to be more tapes coming out of the white house from others? >> well, listen, there is a very bad culture, it appears, in the west wing. and it really has been going on since he took office. so it wouldn't surprise me. i clearly think it wouldn't surprise me if trump himself was continuing his pattern of taping people. but it wouldn't surprise me if there is more tapes, erin. you and i spoke about it a few weeks ago.

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psaki. thanks to both. scott, democrats picking a nominee tonight to face scott walker in this very important race. when you lock at wisconsin, president trump flipped it. stunned hillary clinton but he won by less than 1%. this is as crucial of a state as it gets. walker admits this could be his toughest test yet. but walker is seen as a big part of the republican establishment. could he lose? >> he could. absolutely. the environment of course is bad everywhere for republicans. that's going to be the case in wisconsin. on the other hand, skacott walk is a survive. debts tried and tried to take out scott walker. he has frustrated them. he has a good story to tell on the wisconsin economy. i am watching the turnout numbers to see if what would have seen in other democrats primaries spills over in wisconsin and other midwestern states. i think scott walker is in a tossup race but i wouldn't count

him out ever. he knows how to survive. >> he certainly does, he is the first governor in u.s. history to survive a recall. jen, what do you think when you are looking at the primary on the democratic side how crucial is turnout it's pretty crucial because it will tell you with the enthusiasm that we have seen in other parts of the country, in ohio in virginia when both wings of the democratic party coalesced to help elect ralph northham, if that xis in wisconsin. every state is different. yes we have seen energy and enthusiasm across the country. i think we will see that tonight. but i think you can't rule out scott walker. the fact is, he is our white whale. the democratic white whale. we would love to take him out. but it is a race that will still be tough at the ends of the day. ultimately there hasn't been a front-runner on the democratic side. i don't think that matters because the races across the country hasn't been about political rock stars. it's been about enthusiasm and wanting to send trump a message. but that's a part of this as well. >> when we talk about enthusiasm

i mentioned this poll, right, this stunning poll on the democratic side that i think may stun both of you. ocasio cortez and bernie sanders have being the standard bearers for socialism. a new gallup poll says that 57% of democrats have a favorable view of socialism. doesn't get into details how they define it. nonetheless, 57 favorable, 47% view capitalism favorably. which is stunning when you think about the country we live in and how it is run. jen, how shocked are you? is this a good thing, something you would expect to see? >> the number surprised me but there is a big part of me that wasn't surprised because bernie sanders and ocasio cortez, they are the excitement and the energy in the democratic party right now. now, my view is that if we run a bernie sanders or ocasio cortez type of campaign in 2020 we will lose because neither of them

could be elected in 90% of districts around the country. but it is still struggle within the party to figure out how to capture enthusiasm and energy without going to the extreme left. >> i mean a huge struggle. scott, two of six candidates that ocasio cortez endorsed in last week's primaries won. that's to jen's point. 90% of the districts could not elect these candidates. but i have to say i love ben jealous in maryland for saying what he really thinks because i know he had to apologize for it. by this is what the guy really thinks. he was asked if he was a socialist. here's what he said. >> not to put too fine a point on it but do you identify with the term socialist? are you [ bleep ] kidding me? is that a fine enough point? >> scott, you love this. you love that socialism is a word being bandied about and thrown at democrats to see if it sticks? >> well, scott jennings, the republican operative likes the fact that the democrats are

descendsing into socialism. scott jennings the american hates it because we all should be defending the capitalistic system that lifted millions and billions of people out of poverty over the course of the last several centuries. so i don't like it that one of the two great american political parties is going in this direction. but hey if this is the direction they want to go, fine. this is the fracture that's going to define 2020. for all the warts and problems and controversies that donald trump is going to have, the democratic primary is going to drive whoever their nominee is far to the leif. if they don't nominate a socialist the left wingers may go out and run a third party candidacy against the democratic nominee which could tank the democratic's chances. they have fractureses on the american left. >> there is a lot of fractures on both sides. who is the most fractured. i guess we are all like a broken egg. >> the republicans are unified. are the democrats? i don't think so. >> unified, scott. >> 90% of the republicans support donald trump. >> yes.

>> who is the leader of the democratic party. >> that's a good question. >> they came within a whisker of nominating a socialist in 2016. >> we are almost out of time. can you name who you think the leader of the democratic party is? >> i think it's up to the american people to determine that. on the other side donald trump makes most of the republican establishment uncomfortable. democrats have come together in the primaries. they have to come together in 2020 no matter who the nominee is. but we have seen a record of doing that. >> thank you both very much. i appreciate it. next a senior trump appointee at the pentagon under fire amidst allegations she used her staff to run errands, file her mortgage, get her dry cleaning. the swamp. plus the name sanders does not want to invoke. >> the fact that this individual person, like the author of this book -- at a dr. scholl's kiosk he got a recommendation for our custom fit orthotic to relieve his foot, knee, or lower back pain, from being on his feet. dr. scholl's. born to move.

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barbara starr broke the story and is "outfront." talk about the swamp. what more can you tell us about these allegations that you learned? >> good evening, erin. what we now know is inspector general is conducting an investigation of this matter after complaints were made by employees who said they were transferred inappropriately after they complained about having to do some of these personal errands. and as you said, what were they? let's just tick through some of them, that she had people who worked for her getting her dry-cleaning here in the pentagon, buying her pantyhose, working on her mortgage paperwork, getting her luncheon snacks regularly, driving her on snow days to the pentagon. all of this is not permitted under federal and especially pentagon ethics rules. you cannot use the people who work for you to conduct your personal business. so these are allegations, allegations of misuse of staff, allegations of reprisals against staff being investigated by the inspector general. no findings yet, no conclusions,

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won't betray the president by speaking omarosa's name? >> it wasn't until this individual started to negatively attack. >> reporter: omarosa was on practically every reporter's lips in the white house briefing room. >> make omarosa feel better. >> if you would like to president to stop tweeting about omarosa? >> reporter: even the president uses her name. wacky omarosa. wacky and deranged omarosa. but when sarah sanders was asked about -- >> his attacks on omarosa. >> reporter: she did everything to avoid saying her name. >> this individual with the fact that this person like the author of this book. >> reporter: her favorite formulation for evading the o. word. >> this individual, the lack of individual that this individual has shown. >> reporter: but i guess this individual beats being called. >> low life. she is a low life. >> reporter: sarah sanders finally broke down and said it one time, with respect to omarosa. >> reporter: this individual reminds us of that woman. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman.

ms. lewinsky. >> reporter: mrs. manigault newman's first name may have been plastered on the screen, but it was screened out by the press secretary. >> this individual. >> reporter: jeanne moos. >> cnn. >> that woman. >> cnn, new york. >> i guess it's better than saying that dog again and again. thanks for joining us. anderson is next. good evening today. the woman who speaks for president of the united states said she cannot rule out the possibility that her boss, the president son tape using the "n" word, the same word the president last night said does not exist in his vocabulary, never has. here is the question sarah sanders was asked today, and her response which has been making headlines ever since. >> can you stand at the podium and guarantee the american people they'll never hear donald trump iter the "n" word on a recording in any context? >> i can't guarantee anything, but i can tell you that the president addressed this question directly.