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the president on tape is using the "n" word. here is the question sarah sanders was asked today and her respond has been making headlines ever since. >> can you stand at the podium and guarantee the american people that they'll never hear donald trump utter the "n" word under any context. >> i can't guarantee anything but i can tell you that the president addressed this question directly. >> we'll play the entire exchange in a moement. let's review how we got to that moment. omarosa manigault-newman continues her book tour talking about another recording she made about a conference call from october 2016 of the possible existence of a tape of the

president using "n" word. manigault-newman is on the call and so are the campaign miller. and so is katrina pierson. on the call there is talk of damage control of whether mr. trump ever used the racial slur. later pierson says this. >> no, he said it. he's embarrassed. >> last night katrina pierson denied the phone call and today she said it. after 30 minutes after the story hit this morning, the president responded on twitter. when you give a crazy low-life a break, i guess it did not work out. good work for general kelly for quickly firing that dog. this is the latest series of tweets of manigault-newman.

here is what she says of the president criticism. >> it certainly nothing to do with race but with the president calling someone's lack of integrity. the idea that you only point a few things the president has said negative about people that are minorities, the fact that the president's an equal opportunity person that calls things like he sees it. he fights fire with fire and he does not hold back from doing that across the board. >> whatever you think of that answer and take a moment to consider this. the president calling a former high level adviser, an african-american woman a dog may be material enough for a press briefing. there is a lot more. i want to play it for you as well as the questions leading up to it so you will get the full context and contact. >> have you asked the president if he ever used the "n" word?

>> the president addressed that question directly. i never heard him using that term. >> have you asked him? >> i didn't have to because he addressed to the american people all at one time >> why haven't you asked him? >> the president answered that question directly on twitter today. >> can you stand at the podium and guarantee the american people that they'll never hear donald trump utter the "n" word on a recording in any contents. >> i can't guarantee anything but i can tell you that the president addressed this question directly. i can tell you that i have never heard it. >> i can't guarantee anything. she never heard it which again is odd because the president y says last night that he could. i don't have that word in my vocabulary and never have, she made it up. the president tweets seem

definiti definitive. >> i would say that his tweets speak for himself there. the president's statement via twitter today is extremely clear. i don't have anything to add beyond the statement itself. i think that statement speaks for itself. she could have said that today but she did not. that speaks for her and for itself. more now from the white house, cnn jeff zellny eny is at the w house. she did not stick out for president trump this time. >> reporter: repeatedly under asked again and again about this. she said the same answer, i can't guarantee that. she knew that would be the headline coming out of this that she can't guarantee this. think of all the radio interviews and thousands of hours of interviews that the president have done and all of

the recordings he has done. there could be a tape some where. that was what she was thinking when he said i can't guarantee it. she was not definitive at all. at many times she has been. >> jeffery, is the white house still saying the description of manigault-newman of a dog is nothing. >> you heard sanders talked about it there. he's happy to insult anyone of race that he does not agree with. the president believes that she lacks integrity and he hired her and he brought her on her in the first place. he's been a long time friend of her. the white house repeatedly says it is not racist. only the president knows what is in his heart when he says that. he has called numerous people dogs and there is a long list of former arrivals he called dogs and other things but never as a sitting president as he call a

former african-american a dog. that's what he called omarosa this morning. >> i understand that manigault-newman was interviewed by robert mueller, do we know that's true? >> we have her word on that. the special counsel is the only person in this town who have not commented in this case. >> we know talking about white house officials here while she's at the white house, she was not interviewed or asked to sit down with him. she was fired last december. she writes in her book that she was contacted by the fbi of february of 2018. if she sat down with him, that of course is tsomething she woud have a record of and it is hard to imagine she would lie about that specifically when it is so verifiable. of course, the special counsel's office never comments on who they interview so it is her word at this point. but, anderson, so much of this simply is her word of course and a lot of unverified claims in there. a lot of claims on tapes,

anders anderson. >> i want to talk about one of those tapes and people on the call with manigault-newman, lynn patton is joining us there. >> pleasure to see you. >> first of all of all thank you for being here. >> i want the get started with the recording that fs released this morning of the phone conversation that allegedly took place of you on the call and omarosa back in 2016. just for our viewers, i want to play that. >> i am trying to figure out at least what context it was used into help us maybe try to figure out how to spin it? >> how do you thisnk i should handle it. >> it becomes what scenario are

you talking about? why don't you put it to this? he said it. he's embarrassed. >> so that's the tape that was released. is that our voice on the tape? >> well, you know anderson, there were a lot of times that we talked about this tape because omarosa was upset about it. she brought it up constantly. the reason she did because she was recording us. >> you feel that she was intentionally bringing this up. >> absolutely. >> a friend of mine reminded me today that early on in the campaign i made a joke that she was recording us all. from the beginning you know omarosa has always been about omarosa. that has never been a secret to us. >> you said in a statement that you were the closest person to her in the white house that you interacted her on a daily basis. what she's done is heartbreaking and in figure rafuriating and t

whole bunch of adjectives that i can use. >> everybody knows she's potentially capable of. >> omarosa is an actress and that's what she's doing right now playing a role and she's playing us all. >> did you raise concerns to people in the white house or trump who you worked with or anybody in the trump's family why she's highred. >> here is the thing, omarosa is somebody who has always been at the center of attention and she has been willfully and deceit fully engaging -- the reason why i never said anything because i didn't work with her. i worked at hud. she worked at the white house. >> you did say in your own statement that you work closely with her than anybody else in the white house. >> no, what i said was i was the close closest confidant that she had

>> she told me what was going on in the white house. >> in that recording -- >> i don't speak for omarosa, i speak for myself who this administration chooses to higher is up to them. >> did you think it is a mistake when you heard that she has been hired? >> no, not at all. >> why? >> you said she's been out for herself. >> again, i know that omarosa, the one that i know on television has been out for herself, the one that i got to know as a friend was actually a d decent person and president trump thought so. she was close to the family at one point. what's clear to me that omarosa is putting herself first. we have been through a lot but you know here she is now turning on a family that obviously embraced her and a man that gave her every opportunity. >> let me ask you, in last night you released a statement before the recording was released right

when it was only omarosa's words about the conversation. you read a statement that read in part in time time did i participate in the conversation call with omarosa and pierson. we heard you on that phone conversation so last time you said it did not take place. >> well, no. let me clarify and that's one of the reasons i am here. the world of politics may be deceit full so i am not. that's why it is important for me to be here today and clarify my statement and what i said was and what was refuted that katrina set up a conference call to confirm that frank heard specifically saying the "n" word. that never happened. but what did happen though is that omarosa has been allowed to continue on her tour of lies without being checked by either the media or obviously her book publisher. >> but, that's not -- when you

made that statement last night, the only thing that had been released by cbs was a tweet saying katrina pierson, okay, well, frank lantz knew what it was it heard it. >> that's not true. that's what i was disputing. what i was refuting that omarosa claimed that we confirmed on that conference call that frank said this. he came out and denied it and we came out and denied it. what i have a hard time understanding is that why this administration found itself on the defensive end against a woman who's willfully and deceit fully recorded and possibly engaged in a legal behavior against the family like i said have embraced her. i am the one on television having to explain myself. it is like the twilight zone and

everyone on the way over here, i heard that she may be working in conjunction with robert mueller. while i may have gone to law school for a year, i caught her herself in lies this morning. if the mueller team considers her a credible source of information then their case is obviously a lot weaker than we knew it to be. >> katrina pierson, we heard her on the tape saying that he said it and he's embarrassed about it. >> what did you think katrina meant by that. whether you hear it from the transcript, it sounds like katrina is saying it. >> obviously katrina can speak to herself. >> she's trying to get omarosa -- >> we all had that annoying co-worker that's going on and on. >> if anything with overcomaros

tapes prove that the president denied saying it early on and he said it to me. i am the one who delivered the message. >> i want to ask you about that specifically. my only question is what we have not heard from you and we heard from katrina pierson. let's just play that. >> in the book omarosa says katrina heard from her sources that the tape of trump uses the "n" word someone she knew told her that luntz heard it. she asked trump about it on the plane specifically whether it is possible and such a tape may exist, he says no. then katrina asked him what he wanted to do and he said put it to bed and katrina kucursed and said he said it. did it happen? >> it sounds like she's writing a script for a movie. i have been out there talking about this. that's absolutely not true. >> so that was before the tape

was released. the tape actually does backup what ed's question is. she says it did not happen but it did. >> well, katrina says she was placating somebody -- >> she said the conversation happened. >> no, what we said again that what didn't happen is we did not have a conference call confirming that luntz heard donald trump says the "n" word. donald trump denied he use this derogatory term and he's been clear on twitter. >> he says it is not a word within his vocabulary. he told me as an individual he did not say this word >> he said put it to bed, what does it mean? >> he just meant getting rid of the rumor. if i started a rumor about you tomorrow and that would be

annoying especially if you knew it is not true. what he meant is that this is something that can't be tolerated. >> it sounds to me though and again you are not speaking for katrina pierson and when ed henry asked her about this conversation, she says it never happened. >> i can only speak for what i know is true. katrina says that she was placating this woman. we had a conference call but not what omarosa claimed to be. omarosa has not been clear of when she heard this tape. >> last december she told other sources she heard about it as far back as october. i would not know the details about this tape if she had not told me. >> why the media refuses to kind of take the task and pick apart her statement as they do ours is

really -- >> i think we are raising questions whether she is talking to mueller, we don't know that for a fact. we only have her words on it tch. the viewers can make their own mind. in the statement you said omarosa called you the night she was fired, she says she was resigning. >> she said she was resigning because she heard "the apprentice" tape and she was resigning and i should resign as well and give secretary carson heads up, too. >> because you work in hud. >> next day you talked to senior communication officials about it. can you say who you talked to and what was their reaction? >> hope hicks was involved and i spoke to laura trump. she was one of my best friends. i let them know this is where omarosa was claiming. >> they told me she had been fired.

>> i can't recall when that came to light. if you remember omarosa had been allowed to stay at the white house for a period of time. it was her plan to tell people that she had resigned even though that was not the case. >> when she told me she resigned, she felt that was a lie that she can perpetuate. >> you know the president well and you work with the organization for a long time before you wo, can you guarantee is no tape out there even though sarah sanders says she can't guarantee it? >> the white house ais a divers group. the president, i can't speak for him. i know he has told me that he never said this word and it is not in his vocabulary. i take him at his words. >> would it shock you if he had said it? >> the donald trump that i know does not see black and white, he

sees success and failure. whether that manifests itself as a person or a company or a place or a television show. he's certainly makes no distinction and he does not categorize those successes and failures into race, religion and gender. >> when he refers to omarosa manigault-newman who was a senior adviser and highly paid by taxpayer's money as a dog. is that appropriate? >> the president referred a lot of people a dogs. he referred robert patterson as a dog from the "twilight" movie and mit romney and ted cruise. to me these terms are not derogatory. what they are is somebody biting back. >> it is derogatory to call somebody a dog. >> well, i mean -- i am just saying -- it is an insult. >> i know he didn't mean it as a

compliment but at the same time he said it to a lot of people. >> to spin it into something racial -- >> i think a lot of people given what you just said about him >> again, i just listed five white men he said it to and that's not racist. >> for the president of the united states with all the honor and stature and importance of that office, do you think it is appropriate? >> i think the american people voted for somebody that speaks his mind. i have been with him for 10 years and arguably he says what he thinks and feels have resulted in a lot of success for him. o . >> help me understand -- >> the american people rather have somebody who speaks their minds than have somebody who runs their sentence past eight people. >> you work for the trump organization and you know inside and out. the president says he hires the

best people and said it over and over again and it was effective part of his campaign. is omarosa manigault-newman, was she one of the best people? >> well, look, omarosa m manigault-newman has in her own right has been successful given where she came from. she's attributed all of that to the president from the time she grew up in youngstown, ohio. >> she took me to her town. >> how do you reconcile if she's one of best to be hired and now he's she she's a dog and a low-life. >> she's a disgruntle employee. >> fame and power have different reactions to people. >> obviously we are seeing that in a lot of cases.

you know for me i can only say what i know and what i know is that this family gives people second chances and i am a perfect example of that. the president gave omarosa a second chance and third chance and now she has none left. >> lynne patton, i appreciate your time. >> we'll discuss this more after the break with our panel liist. we'll dig into the whole non-disclosure agreement. we'll talk about le ggality and how much of a departure it may be from the way things are normally done in washington. and later steven miller, why he took the rare step of speaking out about his own nephew. we'll be right back.

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>> it would shock you. >> the absolutely, the donald trump that i know does not see black and white. he sees success and failure. >> joining us now is our panelists. is it appropriate for the united states to call a high-level adviser a dog, is it appropriate? >> is it him being his best to paraphra paraphrase? >> i don't know, you have to tell the president. i don't know if it was appropriate for omarosa calling him acting like a dog without a leash when mrs. trump is not around. the fact that the president calls many people dogs and a lot of white people and a lot of white men. it is the way the president talks and it is the way the american people knew that the president and candidates talk. when he is attacked and when his

character is attacked, he fights with fire, that's who he is. >> corrin, a lot of trump supporters and sarah sanders made today, the american people knew the president speaks like this. now he can be different things at different times. if he's an equal fuopportunity offender and calling people dogs, why is it a concern? >> it does not make it less appropriate and racist. donald trump has been very clear. look at his twitter feed, he attacks more in his twitter than anybody else, attacking waters and congressman waters and wilson and nfl players. he does that to his base and to say hey look, look at what i am doing. i think these people are less then. i am dehumanizing them, i am

with you. it is a real clear thing that he's doing. i think what sarah sanders -- it is remarkable that in 2018 that she was not able to guarantee that the president of the united states did not use the "n" word. i think that says everything that we need to know because we know that sarah sanders has stuck her neck out as you were talking earlier with jeff zeleny on many issues that we knew or lie. this one she could not lie about it because she could not. we don't need a tape or transcripts, we don't need any of that. donald trump has been pretty clear. just look at his business career. he started off as a racist when he stepped into the political arena and being the grand wizard of birthism which is inherently racist of president obama. when he stepped into the campaign world, he went after mexicans and called them rapists and drug dealers and his first

year in the presidency when we saw neo-nazis marching down charlottesville he says very fine people and good people on both sides and did not acknowledge heather heyer of her death. >> paris, i want you to be able to respond. >> sarah sanders could not guarantee that there was not an audio tape of the president because taken or recorded years before he was president or a candidate, i don't think anybody could guarantee that omarosa was going to produce a tape that is actually a combination of two tapes. the tape that as i understand, the tape that was released was not one tape or one conversation. it is two separate conversations and two tapes. if you asked somebody beforehand, can you guarantee there is not a tape, they would have said yes, i can guarantee it. omarosa produced a fraudulent

tape. i think sarah said the right thing and in the video you show before when she says the president's tweets speak for itself, that's what she says today. the president acknowledged it and preempted me and said it is not in his vocabulary. the president says he did not use the word. she sent the tweet again speaks for itself. >> i am not sure to say if it is a fraudulent tape. i asked patton if she can verify, she says there is many conversations about it and katrina pierson says there were two tames. you raise a fair point. the president seems to have a pension of liking people to dogs, i mean i like dogs in his mind of choking and firing and just naming a few comparisons telling the people in the last few years >> yes, mit romney, choking like

a dog. this is a stupid way of donald trump asserting his prowlest. he does not like dogs. this is about saying i am better than you and you sweat like a dog and i am going to fire that, i am going to fire that dog. i mean it is demeaning and not only to the person who's saying it which would be donald trump but it is demeaning to the office of the presidency and the stature of the presidency because a president really needs to understand that he should not be speaking like this. i know his supporters will say this is why we elected him, we elected him because he speaks his mind. what he succeeded in doing today is difficult. he made omarosa almost into a sympathetic figure. >> he did not do. >> by calling her a dog and saying you know i am glad we

fired that dog or whatever way he did it. he did turn her into some what, i am not saying she's sympathetic, i get it. there was some sympathy for her when he degraded her like that. >> donald trump knew omarosa was before he hired her. i don't watch "the apprentice", i have seen clips of omarosa behavior on tell vevisiontelevi to say he hires the best people and he told general kelly to keep her around because she says nice things about me and now suddenly saying all these terrible things about her. does it reflect on him and his management style and his choices? >> well, i understand, i watch "the apprentice" all season, i

was well aware of omarosa, she wrote a book in 2008, it is a guy book. everyone knew the type of woman omarosa is. any time somebody is let go, at one point they were hired so anybody in america, anybody in the world who was fired or let go or disappointed their boss or betrayed their boss like omarosa has done at one point is hired. the omarosa that i met on the campaign trail and the omarosa that american people saw throughout the transition team and at the white house, she was someone that was strong and in her defense and advocacy for president trump and his agenda for making the country better for people of all denomination.

>> look, here is the problem here is that omarosa has known donald trump for 15 years, they had a mutual beneficial relationship. so he brought her in. they were friends so he needs to take responsibility for the people he hires. he says he hires the best people. that's it. that's who he represents as the best person. >> i don't think they'r friends. i think they used each other. >> true. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> they're not friends anymore. >> he said omarosa, you are fired. >> who knows? >> who knows, right? >> thank you. coming up, we'll dive into the world of non-disclosure agreements. are they affecting the white house? that's next.

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sanders. >> let me ask you what it says about the expressions of loyalty or lack there of, of people who work behind that wall. why do people need to be contractually obligated and never saying anything negative about the president or members of his family or any products they should produce, why is it necessary? >> it is common. >> protect corporate interests. >> it is also despite contrary opinion. it is actually very normal and every administration prior to the trump administration have had specifically for anyone who had a security clearance. >> would someone like omarosa being silent. what the trump campaign is doing, he's forcing her to

defend herself and paying damages. why is that necessary? >> that's a question you have to ask the trump campaign. >> according to manigault-newman they tried to get her to sign a non-disclosure agreement. she would have paid $15,000 a month pie the trump campaign in staying silence at the white house. she would not be the first person close to the president's orbit to do so. these five levels trump employees -- we know one of them keith schiller is being paid the same amount of $15,000 allegedly offered to manigault-newman paid by the republican national security to help provide security for the 2020 republican convention, another name on that list is carl higbie, he resigned in the white house and resigned again.

we are joined by amanda carpenter, author of the book "gaslighting america." >> sarah sanders says it is standard procedures even though your boss mcgahn told people that they were forcible. >> i am not going to get into what was discussed while i was a white house staffer because that's not appropriate. that's the rules of thumb as it relates to white house staffers or lawyers. you don't discuss that. >> did you sign a non-disclosure dpreem agreement? >> i did sign it in may. getting back to this though, it is important to know in the corporate world yes, it is typical that you have an mda.

in order to do that they sign an mda so information does not leave the two parties. there will be employees who are required to sign mdas because they are getting information that's sensitive. like wise in the white house, there was a requirement that employees sign mdas. it is very important and i think it is porpt thimportant that wh blowers and subpoenas and investigations, their ability to speak is not stifled and that's not what this is all about. it protected the interest of those individuals while at the same time the interest and the rights of those individuals with regard to those issues but at the same time -- >> it was more about protecting the president and the

administration from negative publicity. >> no, as it relates to whistle blowers and investigations and subpoenas and over sight requests, certainly protected the signers like wise. >> let me ask you -- we ask several people who serve in higher roles, republicans and democrats all said they don't know anyone specifically national security level is asked to sign an mda. why is sarah sanders say it is so common. >> i don't know why sarah said what she says. i think it is common relating to vendors that deals with the white house. >> what do you mean vendors? >> people who provide services to the white house. i believe that would be something that would be a regular practice but as it relates to the staff, certainly, this is an anomaly and no question about that. going back to it the fact the

matter is it is reenforcing what is already there. as a white house lawyer, there is no way i am going to go out and talk about specific conversations i have with my client. >> professor, these are employees paid by taxpayers, they work for the government of the united states. >> no, anderson, they would not be enforceable. i was a lawyer for the obama campaign. sarah sanders was out lying today. that's not what we are talking about here. media reports of omarosa did not have a security clearance. so, the law is that the first amendment protects the right of government officials when they leave to speak. it is apart of freedom of speech. that's why it is reported that

don mcgahn and my friend jim was loyally, he can't talk about it and i understand that. don mcgahn says go ahead and sign, it can never be enforced against you. this is one more but the fact that donald trump required people to sign an unconstitutional document is one more piece of evidence of his contempt and disdain for the constitution. >> i want to bring in amanda. i got to take a quick break, we'll come to you when we come back.

last night the program you brought up the idea that omarosa claims she was offered $15,000 essentially severance on a monthly basis in order not to speak out there there were others who have been offered that as well. we talked about the former body man for the president who's getting $15,000 paid by the rnc to do security for the 2020

convention. i am not sure what the security is set up right now for a convention that's so far off. it is interesting and is that common, amanda as far as you know? >> i think they are legitimate questions between pairing the prospect of a non-disclosure dpree agreement of a high paying job that does not require municipal. that seems to be that the rnc is uses hush money. there should be questions of michael cohen's role where he orchestrated hush money payments and he paid a former play mate. there is a lot going on. >> as these non-disclosure agreements applied to official work is appalling. not only the president would ask taxpayer employees to sign non-disclosures. they work for the united states

of america and not personal brand ambassador for the president. i don't think these mdas work are enforceable. they are successful because they put a price on anyone who speaks out against the president. the question is how much will they pay? any time he says something that could be in the category of demeaning or disparaging the president, you may have to think about calling the lawyer. that bleeds through of all s you are the surrogates. maybe we are getting better explanations of why they act in these bizarre ways because they had these contaracts over their heads and people seem to disappear and there is a lot of them being paid. as a matter of fact from time to time and very often i'm critical of this administration on this show and other cnn shows.

amanda, you're just flat out wrong about the disparagement part of this. >> i read it. there's clauses about not disparaging the president. is ivanka doing a good job? do you think ivanka trump is doing a good job? >> amanda, you're talking about -- >> i asked you a question. >> an nda that related to the campaign. >> let him answer it. >> you don't get to ask the questions here. i get to speak just like you did. >> go ahead. >> in this instance, you're talking about government officials, and you are conflating the government officials with the campaign officials. >> kellyanne conway confirmed that west wing employees signed ndas. >> just from a legal standpoint -- >> right, an nda and a non-disparagement agreement are two different things. >> jim, to your -- >> i don't know if you can say, but does the nda include a non-disparagement clause? >> i am under no obligation. i criticized this administration when it's right to criticize

this administration. >> can you say whether or not there is a non-disparagement clause in there? >> i am under no legal obligation not to -- i am under no legal obligation to refrain from criticizing this administration. >> right. but that doesn't mean -- >> amanda, you're flat-out wrong. >> you haven't said if there's a non-disparagement clause in the nda. >> i signed the nda. that answers your question. >> so there is no non-disparagement clause in the nda you signed? >> i'm not going to get into what is and isn't in that document because i was a white house staffer at the time. >> are you afraid of the president suing you? >> i am under no congressionalucongressiona cont obligation to say -- no, not at all. i come on this show time and time again and am critical of this president and this administration and rudy giuliani at times, and they just tweeted out last week one that i was critical on. so to sit here and say that all white house employees have to say nice things about the president is just ridiculous. >> i just think it's questionable that any taxpayer-funded employee would sign a nondisclosure --

>> you just don't know what you're talking about -- >> -- agreement with the campaign or the president. i read the news. excuse me. i can bring up the facts all day long. >> let her respond. >> i think employees that are taxpayer-funded take an oath to support and defend the constitution. we all saw those west wing employees raise their hand and take that oath. and if they signed another agreement to never disparage or demean the president, that could be taken any number of ways. i think that is a first amendment violation. i don't think it's constitutional, but i think it's terrible judgment for anyone who would enjoy a job in that white house to put loyalty to a president above the constitution. >> ambassador eisen, i want to you have the final word. >> yeah. i'll just -- i'm going to -- >> the white house staffers need to keep confidential information. >> go ahead, ambassador. >> anderson, you know, i deplore the president making them sign these agreements. but i do understand why individuals who are there, some of them serving as the last

bastion of attempting to hang on to sanity by a shred, are signing unenforceable agreements just in order to stay there and protect our country. so i'm not prepared to condemn them out of hand. >> appreciate it. still ahead, a tough message to get from anyone, let alone a relative. white house senior adviser stephen miller being called a hypocrite loudly and very publicly by his own uncle. you'll hear from him next. ♪ you shouldn't be rushed into booking a hotel. with expedia's add-on advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage. only when you book with expedia.

white house senior policy adviser stephen miller is one of the architects of the president's approach to immigration, and now miller is coming under attack for that in a new op-ed in politico. however, it's not written by a pundit or a political insider. it's written by his uncle, david glosser. i spoke to him earlier today. in the piece you wrote, you describe your nephew, stephen miller, as an immigration hypocrite. what do you mean by that? >> it's an important question. i have to preface my response by saying that i wrote this article more in sadness than in anger or resentment. our family history is entirely dependent upon the fact that our family was able to escape from a terrible situation in what is now the country of belarus.

in those days, it was part of the russian empire. >> your family first came here i think the early 1900s? >> the first of our particular group came over in 1903. they worked for a while peddling fruit and doing sweat shop work. then they were able to round up enough money to bring over the rest of the immediate family. everybody else who didn't make it, they were all swept away in the holocaust and dead. >> and so you're saying the hypocrisy -- >> i'll put it simply. had we not been able to enter america when we did, stephen miller would never exist. >> and so this notion of chain migration, which is something the administration calls the opportunity for somebody who has come to the united states to apply to get their parents to come, their cousins, brothers or sisters to come -- that has been part of your family history, of stephen miller's family history? >> that is the classic story of virtually everybody in america

who isn't a native american or who was brought over unwillingly as a slave. that's everybody's story. >> you referred to your nephew stephen as an immigration hypocrite. do you see this administration itself as hypocritical? the first lady, her parents just got citizenship based on what the administration would call chain migration. >> let's think of it for a second. as far as i understand, mr. trump's grandfather came over. either his father or his grandfather came over as an immigrant from germany, trying to avoid draft into the germany army. he was trying to find a new life here in the united states. his mother, i think, escaped the poverty of scotland, looking for a better opportunity in new york city. and he is married to -- what's the count now? three immigrant women in the united states and has just through chain migration, her parents have been made citizens of the united states, and i welcome them.

>> you know, it's obviously always difficult to talk about race, and i always hesitate to even bring it up in these circumstances. but the president has -- you know, there's been reporting that he's talked about immigrants coming from what he called shithole countries, talked about people from haiti having aids, about people in nigeria not wanting to go back to their huts as if everybody in nigeria lives in huts, talking about people why don't more people from norway come? do you see a racial component in this administration, how they view this issue? >> all those epithets are the sorts of things which were said about jews, irish, poles, hungarians, sicilians, sardinians. everybody from southern europe, eastern europe, from the balkan countries were all condemned and vilified by the so-called america firsters of their day. these people were described frequently as slime pumped out of the mud tanks of europe, rapists, murderers, thieves,

gangsters. and thankfully the united states has made progress, as fitful as it may be, in reforming immigration laws so that we no longer have these racial quotas. it is hard to escape the conclusion based on the administration's actions and policies rather than the rhetoric. it's hard to escape the conclusion that they want to disadvantage people coming from countries based on their religion, based on their ethnicity, and based on their countries and regions of origin. >> did it surprise you that stephen was involved in this, that -- i mean you see him as a leading voice in this in the administration. >> sadly, it's no surprise. it appears that much of his professional identity and his personal identity has been wrapped up in this particular issue, though i do not know why. >> you don't understand why? >> i don't know why. listen, i don't know the fellow very well. i've met him perhaps a total of ten times in my life and haven't had a substantive conversation with him for many years.

everything i know about him really is drawn from his public persona, from his actions and from what he's said and what he's written. >> what are you hoping speaking out does? are you hoping he hears it? is it for him? is it for others? >> listen, it's for anybody who's willing to listen. but i want people of good will to recognize that the united states is a great country. and the reason it's great is because of -- one of the many reasons it's great is because of our open attitude towards people of different races, religions, and ethnicities. >> david, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. of course we reached out to the white house yesterday and again today to see if stephen miller had a response to his uncle's op-ed. we got naught. the news continues. i want to hand it over to chris. "cuomo prime time" starts now. chris? >> some interview. thank you for that, anderson. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." omarosa says trump knew about the hacked dnc e-mails before wikileaks dumped them. this would expose a new level of lying for trump and potential