♪ "outfront" next -- caught on tape. trump's daughter-in-law offering omarosa a job. a job paid for by small dollar trump donors. is lara trump trying to pay omarosa off with other people's money? plus the admiral comes out daring trump to revoke his security clearance. and tv legend larry king, let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. brump's family offering to spend other people's money. possibly to save trump himself.

omarosa manigault-newman releasing a new tape today. a secret recording of lara trump, the president's daughter-in-law. she offers omarosa a $180,000 a year job with the trump campaign. paid for by small donors. this offer coming after omarosa was fired from her white house job. >> the only thing that we have to consider when we're talking salary as far as the campaign is concerned is that, you know, everything is public. and all the money that we raise and that pays salaries is directly from donors. small-dollar donors for the most part. i know you were making 179 at the white house. and i think we can work something out where we keep you right along those lines. specifically, let me see -- i haven't even added up the numbers but we're thinking like 15k a month. let me see what that adds up to.

that's times 12. yeah. >> think about that. >> $180,000 a year salary, right? you heard her lay out the numbers. $15,000 times 12. paid for by, quote, small-dollar donors for the most part. small-dollar donors were central to donald trump's success in 2016. and he knew it. >> we've had tremendous support. but where we have had the best support in all fairness is the small donor. the $61, i think it averages, something like $61. we've had tremendous success with the small donors. $61 a head. >> we have a lot of small donors. $61 a head average. we also have a lot of wonderful people in terms of small donations. and that's coming in fantastically. >> the trump family has billions of dollars but they were not offering to spend their own money. they chose to offer a questionable job using the money of thousands of his supporters.

$180,000 divided by 61. you get the math. many of these donors could only dream of making what omarosa was being offered. let's lay it out. lara trump's offer of $180,000 a year comes to about four times what the average american earns a year. this is according to the bureau of labor statistics. what would omarosa do to earn this hefty salary? lara trump gave a job description. >> specifically, i really feel like your position would require, you know, you to be able to be flexible in terms of where you are. sometimes, you know, come to new york for occasional meetings, but i would love if you could, you know, occasionally go do speaking engagements and that sort of thing for us. i think you would be awesome doing that. and so it doesn't really matter where you are. if you're comfortable staying in d.c., then you are -- we're more than happy to have you.

>> $180,000 in small donor money for occasional meetings and occasional speaking engagements. sounds absurd? sure. lara trump knew it. she also made it clear she knew omarosa had some things in her back pocket and told her, you have to just say good things about the president. >> sound a little like obviously there's some things that you've got in the back pocket. clearly if you come on board with the campaign, we can't have that. everything positive, right? >> offers omarosa $180,000 of other people's money. small donors. in what appears to be an effort to keep omarosa quiet and just saying good things about donald trump. but it gets even better than that. tonight lara trump is pushing back saying, omarosa was welcomed into our family as a trusted trend and confidante.

when she was fired by the white house chief of staff in december 2017, my entire family was concerned for her because we had no idea about the basis of her dismissal. we still wanted her on the team because we cared so bmuch about her personally. that's why i reached out to her. my entire family had no idea about the basis for her dismissal. this claim does not add up. this job offer as we understand it came four days after omarosa was fired by john kelly and omarosa recorded that, too, so you can hear why she was fired. >> it's come to my attention over the last few months that there's been some pretty significant integrity issues related to you and use of government vehicles and some other issues. >> that's serious. that's lying and cheating and using taxpayer money for things you shouldn't be. lara trump is saying she knew omarosa who was welcomed into the family was fired but she didn't know why and did not bother to find out? this does not pass the basic

smell test. it seems clear the trump family was willing to pay off omarosa for her silence as long as other people, small trump donors, $61 a piece on average, paid for it. jeff zeleny is out front live at the white house. omarosa is clearly getting under the president's skin. >> erin, no question. omarosa in many respects as we see this playing out is largely playing a trump game. she largely is dribbling out these recordings bit by bit in some cases hour by hour. you think the subject was changed to john brennan, the security clearances. omarosa takes it back. so there's no question, we are told, talking to people at the white house the president is agitated by this, embarrassed by it and angry about it. now the question is, was this really a payoff? we know at least in this white house it's not that unusual for a fired staffers to suddenly wind up on the payroll of the re-election campaign. that's a place where others have gone. is omarosa in the same position?

it seems she's different. she was fired directly and the president now we are told he knew about it. he said at the time he wasn't. all of this is going at the heart of something that he does not like people taking advantage of his name, using his name. we're told he's furious about this. he has stopped talking about it. meeting. he's not been tweeting about it except to show positive praise that she has said about him. so they are trying to show her as an opportunist here but so far at least she has the goods, and she has been releasing these tapes bit by bit and promises even more. >> thank you jeff zelly. let's go to john avlon, kirsten powers and jack o'donnell, former president and chief operating officer of the trump plaza hotel and casino. john, look, putting aside the absurdity of the claim here that we hired someone who was fired

and no idea why they were fired and didn't bother to ask, i suppose, the president is obviously upset about this. let's look at his tweet record. didn't want to answer questions verbally. with a lot of time spent on the adjectives that go with them. dog, lowlife, whatever it may be. putin has not been mentioned once on twitter. north korea has been mentioned once. so it's eight to one in favor of kim jong-un. >> that's a lot of psychological real estate for the president of the united states. omarosa is playing the president's game against him. obviously personal betrayal. it's not like this should come as a giant shock to anybody. this is chapter 751 of only the best people. they seem to attract people with integrity issues. what i loved about the tape, obviously there's some issues, things in your back pocket. obviously. like what? do tell. only things they felt could be

hushed up with a no-show job that would take the donations -- >> occasional meetings, occasional speaking engagements for $180,000 a year. pretty nice, right? a lot of small donors would have been happy to get that salary for that responsibility. >> the multiple of the average annual income and this is thousands of those $61 donations. this is an auditorium full of patsies having their money be used to pay silence of a reality show tv star. >> nearly 3,000 of them using the average you heard the president use multiple times. omarosa is now saying there's more tapes. there were people a few days ago who said any tape would have already been mentioned in the book. she can't have more tapes. but this one is new. no one knew it was out there. and now here it is. she says there's more. here she is. >> there are things that i write about and then there are things i'm going to save to share when the time is right. >> you're going to release more

tapes? >> if i need to. i'll do what i have to do to protect myself. >> how are you going to determine whether you need to. >> he's threatening to get me arrested and trying to intimidate my publisher and me. donald trump has met his match. >> jack, you know him well. is he afraid? has he met his match? >> well, i think he is afraid. and this is what he does when he is most afraid. he attacks, attacks and attacks. you know, whether he's met his match or not, that remains to be seen. his tactics are similar to what he used when he tried to stop my book. the letter comes to the publisher, then you directly trying to buy you off and then the threats begin. looks like the same pattern is there for his behavior. but he might have met his match here. he trained her, and i think she's learned some lessons from him. >> and she certainly is dribbling them out. kirsten, that statement, i'm going to put it up on the screen

again. obviously the whole thing is my entire family was concerned for her because we had no idea about the basis for her dismissal. it doesn't add up. if you want to entertain that it's possible that what she's saying here is true, which is worse, offering to pay someone off for their silence at $15,000 a month or hiring someone using campaign donor money at $61 a piece on average without bothering to check why they were fired from working for your father-in-law. this conversation with lara trump happened four days after omarosa was fired. >> yeah, i have a slightly different view on this. for one thing, this isn't the whole tape. omarosa says she hasn't released the whole tape. so if you just listen to what she's saying, she's not saying that she's buying her off. you're going to have to travel sometimes to do these things. she's not actually -- there could be a whole other conversation where she outlines what she's doing. >> but what about the part where she said only positive things? >> that's a completely normal thing to expect of a person who is coming to work for an

organization, a campaign or company. you couldn't say, oh, and you can come on and start -- >> what about the, i know you have a lot of stuff in your back pocket? >> yeah, that would suggest they know that she is -- she is potentially damaging. so what i'm saying is, i'm saying that it is not uncommon in the political world if -- for people to find jobs for people when they feel they've been problematic and they don't want them out there freelansing. to your other point about the money being used for it. i would say in any other situation, completely unethical. i think it's a questionable thing here only because based on my experience with trump voters, they don't really care. if somebody says we had to do this for the cause, right, because she was out of control and she was going to hurt mr. trump, and we had to do this, they might say, okay. >> that's an interesting point. $61 donor, would they be okay with it? >> that's a very good point.

there is the surround trump while he shoots someone in fifth avenue crowd and they may say, this is great. i was paying for protection money in effect for my guy. normally when people get hired on campaigns, it's assumed. they don't need to be told they're not going to run around saying negative things about the candidate. >> you don't have to put that out there. jack, you were offered hush money by team trump. to you there's no question that's what that was to omarosa? >> oh, listen, this is absolutely hush money in my opinion and, quite frankly, it does come on the backs of the farmers in iowa, in wisconsin. people that put faith in him. and it's a pattern for him as well, by the way. the small investor in his history has always taken it on the short end. and the small donor in this case signed up for something and i don't think this is what they signed up for. there is a radical segment of

the trump follower that doesn't care. but i think these new voters, these people in rural communities that are hardworking people, i think they do care that their money is being used as hush money. >> jack, it's interesting the person making this offer here is lara trump, the president's daughter-in-law. not just a campaign official. this is a member of the family. you say trump doesn't do, or his family doesn't do anything without trump's direct approval. >> well, during my days, of course, there was only one other trump in the organization and that was robert. so when robert had a message to deliver or came to atlantic city to have a conversation, we always knew that it was with trump's blessing. in most cases, it was something that wasn't really positive. it was kind of tough news. because he used his family for the tougher things. i think he's hiding behind a family member here doing kind of

his dirty work in this situation. >> kirsten? >> i don't think the president should be the one doing what she was doing. i think it's completely appropriate for her to do it. and i -- maybe he did know about it. it's just not that unusual to try to find a job for somebody who is disgruntled. that's all i'm saying. >> i hear your point but there's no way donald j. trump did not know his campaign was going to hire her after she was fired from his white house. >> i don't know how i became a trump defender, but why did -- what would be wrong with that if he was trying to take a person who he knows is going to make a lot of trouble for him and have her on the campaign and give her a job where she's going to give speeches in support of him? why would that be a bad thing? it is certainly what i would try to do if -- >> i get the point. i keep getting caught here on the morality of it. she was fired for using taxpayer money unethically, taking cars. fired for cause.

according to john kelly. >> yeah. >> so that's a person that wanted to use donor money to -- >> serious integrity issues getting rewarded. you're getting hung up on the morality of it. we left that neighborhood a long time ago. >> i suppose. i suppose so. nonetheless, we try to carry the flag. >> we would like to think. >> thank you all so much. next the admiral who oversaw the bin laden raid telling president trump to revoke his security clearance. general james clapper whose own clearance is under review by the president is my guest. plus the republican-led senate side with one of president trump's favorite targets. and this is the apollo theater. fans from around the world paying tribute to aretha franklin. t

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new tonight -- a man who oversaw the osama bin laden raid is asking president trump to revoke his security clearance. admiral william mcraven said fewer americans have done more to protect this country than john brennan. i'd consider it an honor if you'd revoke my security clearance as well so i can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency. strong words from an american patriot and hero. outfront, the former director of

national intelligence, james clapper who remains on the list of those whose security clearance may be revoked but at this hour, we understand they haven't yet but that can change at any moment. you know retired admiral mcraven very well. what's your reaction to those strong words he's sending to the president? >> i thought his letter was clear, concise and very, very compelling. here's a guy who has no political baggage whatsoever. who has served his country with great distinction and speaking personally as a colleague and friend and bill mcraven is a personal hero of mine. and i think a lot of people are going to sit up and take notice with that letter. >> you know, there are a lot of republicans, general, who are actually defending trump's decision to revoke brennan's security clearance. some criticized the threat of it, but today, here's three who

came out in his defense. >> mr. brennan has gone way over the line, in my view, and i think restricting his clearance, pulling his clearance makes sense to me. >> totally political. i think i called him a butthead, and i meant it. i think he's given the national intelligence community a bad name. >> and i do think the fact he's out there every single day acting in a very partisan way probably doesn't help his cause. >> just to be clear, general, that was senator graham, senator kennedy and senator john thune. all of them coming to the president's defense and thune and graham often not doing that. are you surprised that they're sort of implying pretty clearly here in some cases directly saying john brennan is the one at fault? >> no, it doesn't surprise me that republican senators are supportive of the president.

that's been kind of the standard pattern here. to me, the issue isn't so much john's clearance or mine or anybody else's. that's kind of small potatoes. the bigger issue here to me is using the president's authority over the classification system and granting or revoking clearances as a political weapon. and that, to me, is a much larger issue here and has huge implications. for example, and i'm just positting this, suppose the president, given his version to the mueller investigation decides to revoke the eligibility for access to classified information by mueller and his team. so i think, you know, i wish the senators would think about the larger implications here. >> obviously, they don't seem to be at this time. president bush's former homeland

security adviser fran town send was talking about this today. she said something that was really interesting about mueller and what just happened to john brennan. here's her take on the implication of trump taking away security clearances. >> the president did this personally using his article -- what we call his article 2 powers as commander in chief. let's be honest. if the president is relying on his article 2 powers to remove a clearance, it's the same power he'd rely on if he wanted to fire mueller. >> do you think that's the message he was sending? look, i'm using these powers to do this, and i can use the same ones to do that. watch out, bob mueller? >> that assumes constitutional literacy there. i don't know that he is too hung up on what authority he might use to fire anybody. and all i'm suggesting, here's another way to attack what he has characterized many, many times as a hoax and all that.

increasingly, he's gotten more and more aggressive about, at one point, never mentioned mueller by name. now it's gotten very personal and all that. so -- and fran is right. he could use that power under article 2 to fire mueller. another way to do it, again, using the clearance, the eligibility as a political weapon to attack the special counsel. >> all right. general clapper, i appreciate your time. thank you, sir. next, hundreds of newspapers from coast to coast taking a stand on the president's attacks on the press. are they just playing right into trump's hands and proving his point in. and live pictures of the apollo theater here in new york. it's the tribute here to aretha franklin. larry king is going to join us live to remember the queen of soul. ♪

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new tonight, the u.s. senate

rebuking the president, passing a resolution affirming the press is not the enemy of the people. it's kind of, i dont know, sometimes it's moments like this and i say, did i really just say the senate passed a resolution saying the press is not the enemy of the people and i'm an american in the united states of america? it's the republican-led senate that did it. 350 newspapers published editorials criticizing the president for his attacks on the free press. joan walsh at the nation and ben ferguson, host of the ben ferguson show. ben, i say this and i know some people chuckle when i say it, but i can't believe the republican-led senate just passed this today. to officially say the press is not the enemy of the people. yes, it's a stinging rebuke of the president but i can't believe this is really happening. >> look, there's a lot of republicans that don't like the president and they said this will be a great moment to jump on a bandwagon with these newspapers and maybe those newspapers will give us some

love. i'm not surprised. >> unanimous, though. half these guys are out there defending him right now and revoking john brennan's security clearance. this was unanimous. >> any time a senator can grandstand, they'll take the opportunity. you look at these papers today. it did exactly what the president has been saying. you had 350 newspapers. it clearly colluding with a propaganda point of view to attack the president of the united states of america. and it is absolutely colluding with one another. when you call all your buddies and say we're all going to say the same thing and we're all going to wag our finger and act like we're above reproach and act like we're not biased when many of us are clearly biased and a lot of these newspapers, the majority of them endorsed hillary clinton. and we're going to act like we're not biased. it's absurd to say this was not exactly what trump warned about which is there's a huge bias in

a lot of people in the media and they act like they're not biased. and this just played into his hand. >> joan, the l.a. times did not run the op-ed. >> nor did the san francisco chronicle. they both endorsed hillary. >> the last times, i wanted to read their reason. the president already treats the press as enemies of the people. it seems to encourage that conspiracy thinking by the president and his loyalists. do they have a point? >> which is completely -- >> actually, i'm talking, ben. actually it proves the opposite point. it proves the opposite point that there wasn't collusion. that some papers, some liberals. i know john diaz from san francisco. i lived there for a long time. op-ed editor. he didn't want to be part of it. it shows there's diversity of the opinion. the fact so many papers did it shows how dangerous the moment that we are in.

where the president tweets that we're the opposition party. we're not the opposition. we are not at war with the president. he is at war with the truth. he's up to over 4,000 lies, according to "the washington post." you know, god bless aretha franklin. all day we've seen her singing to the barack obama inauguration crowd and it reminded us of lie number one, minute number one. his inauguration -- lying about the size of the inauguration when we all could see it with our own eyes. he has degraded the truth. >> this is the thing, though. >> it's a totalitarian thing to say enemy of the people. it's dangerous. >> erin, here's the thing that's dangerous. when i go on the air waves, i am honest. intellectually honest with my audience that i'm a conserve tiff with a conservative point of view. look at the arrogance of the "l.a. times" saying we're not going to do this while giving a scathing review the same way 350 other newspapers did it today but acting like they're

independent from the propaganda, which they clearly put in their paper today. and then people praise them. read the words "l.a. time." more of a scathing review of donald trump than some of the papers that were intellectually honest enough to admit they're part of the propaganda. >> okay. everybody is part of the propaganda. >> the bashing of the president. i'm not dumb enough to believe the "los angeles times" when i'm reading their own words in the paper bashing the president and acting like they're not bashing the president. this is why people don't trust the media. >> the issue with this is, this is a president that i believe you'd acknowledge does not tell the truth a lot. he doesn't. >> i have said this before. >> so that's a reality, right? so the press' job is to call that out. when you're dealing with someone who lies more than any other president has lied, it sets up this really great sweet spot. he's like, look, you're calling me out all the time. you're fake news. then stop lying. >> it's not that.

hold on, erin. you're putting two things together. this is the part where the american people have said they do not trust the media. look at the gallup polls saying about 38%, 39% of the people only are only trust the media. the majority don't. the reason why is two things. they act like they can never be challenged when they are clearly biased against someone and this administration which -- >> no, they don't. >> they are clearly against nice this is my viewpoint. you can disagree but there are a lot of -- >> they can't be challenged, sure. >> the second thing is go back to the "l.a. times" today. the best example today. the "l.a. times" lied to their readers saying they weren't joining in while writing an article ripping the president. anyone intellectually honest saw the "l.a. times" and clearly you read their own words. they were ripping on the president. they can't stand the president. and then act like they're not biased while doing it. just be intellectually honest. we don't like trump.

350 papers colluded to have propaganda to go out there and attack the president. this is the type of stuff that allows him to have success because people are not dumb enough to believe that 350 newspapers lining up against him is not propaganda. >> joan? >> i am a democrat. i'm going to be outfront about that. do you know how angry democrats are about the way hillary clinton was treated two years ago? you hear it, erin. there are always people -- >> they thought we were all biased, sexist. they think we're out to get them. >> barack obama complained constantly. this is a different situation. this president crusades against the media and uses totalitarian terms. so i can't believe you're blasting a paper that didn't participate for not participating -- >> they did. >> they didn't actually. >> they did. with their own words. >> oh, you have it your way.

you define they participated. they said they didn't. >> i'm not -- it's insane. read the "l.a. times" op-ed. you just read part of the words on the show. they clearly were against the president today while acting like they were not. and then -- >> they criticized him, yes. that's their right to do so. >> then went back to other words where they were saying the same thing that 350-plus newspapers were saying today. all i'm saying is don't act like you're some great newspaper with independence when you clearly were one of those that was ripping on the president today while acting like you're not. that's why people don't trust the media. >> thank you both. next, rudy giuliani ready to fight a possible super counsel subpoena all the way to the supreme court leveling a major threat. what does this mean for the mueller/trump sit-down. plus, remembering aretha. these are live pictures in new york. we're watching the apollo theater as the crowd gathers and dances and sings in memory of her. i'll speak to larry king about

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vowing to fight any attempt by robert mueller to subpoena president trump all the way to the supreme court. trump's attorney saying, even if we responded in ten days to a subpoena, it would have to be decided by district court judge, you could appeal it in circuit court and then argue it before the supreme court if it ever got there. congressman, i appreciate your time. so giuliani says he's been negotiating in good faith on this interview. whether it's giuliani or his predecessors, this discussion about an interview has been going on for eight or nine months. there has been no interview. giuliani now saying he's going to fight a subpoena on an interview all the way to the supreme court which would indicate he was never planning on doing any one. >> there was never any good faith or intention to do this interview. >> that's what you believe? >> i think it's probably true the president personally wouldn't mind an interview because he thinks he can persuade anybody of anything but the lawyers around him know how

easily he lies and are worried and don't want him being interviewed at all. >> so you do believe the president, that he wants to? >> i don't believe, i think it's possible. i don't know if it's true, but it's possible. >> it's interesting because when president clinton was being investigated, giuliani had a totally difference view about subpoenas and whether they should be applied to presidents. i want to play for you rudy back in 1998. totally different point of view. >> all the watergate litigation resolved the fact that the president is not above the law. is not able to avoid subpoenas and the president has a right like anyone else to go before a judge and say this is being done for purposes of harassment and if a judge agrees, fine. if he doesn't, then you have to testify. >> he's changed his mind. >> i think the 1998 giuliani was entirely right. the nixon tapes case in 1973-74 established very clearly that the president is not above the

law and must respond to a subpoena. that was an 8-0 decision by the supreme court. i understand the -- he's worried about kavanaugh's reaction if he were on the supreme court. he's right to worry about that because kavanaugh has expressed views the president almost has powers. there are eight other members of the supreme court. i'd hope the supreme court would not believe a president is above the law and the precedent is very clearly. tloongetss obviously a question about -- brett kavanaugh could be confirmed this fall and be the swing vote. you mentioned laurence tribe. >> that assumes there are four other votes that way. the last time we had this case, clearly, the last case was a unanimous decision by the supreme court and this would be almost directly on point with the nixon tapes. >> liberal constitutional

scholar. his tweet was, i reluctantly concluded they should proceed without subpoenaing trump. the evidence already available almost certainly supports a report finding conspiracy with russia and obstruction of justice. do you think it supports obstruction of justice and conspiracy with russia? >> well, there clearly was conspiracy with -- there's clearly been obstruction of justice. clearly conspiracy with russia. whether the president personally was involved with the conspiracy with russia, based on the publicly available evidence so far, we don't know. i assume mueller -- >> are you willing to get campaign dirt if it came from russians, it's conspiracy? the intent of that meeting alone. >> is that intent -- yes. i certainly think that the people who certainly donald trump jr. has very severe criminal liability on that. trump junior that is. but i assume that -- sorry, that mueller knows a lot more than is public at this point. and whether he thinks that an

interview with trump is really necessary or not or maybe he thinks that would resolve all doubts or give the president an opportunity to exonerate himself, i don't know. but the public is entitled to every person's evidence. that's the fundamental foundation of american law. and no president, and nobody should be exempt from that. and it may be unnecessary, but it's -- >> still the right thing to do? >> if the prosecutor thinks he needs that evidence, he should get it. >> congressman, i appreciate your time, as always. thank you. next, remembering aretha franklin. i'll speak to larry king and sam moore, the artist behind the hit "soulman" about their memories of the queen of soul. ♪ r-e-s-p-e-c-t ♪

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she not only sang about respect, the demanded it. >> aretha doesn't just get respect she gets a lot. imagine a president adjusting your footstool. sort of the same way she started at age 9. >> they would have me stand on a little chair and sing. >> singing gospel and singing soul. how did she make us feel? we have lost the greatest singer of our time, tweeted billy joel. stars like barbara streisand and oprah tweeted photos of her. the king of soul died on the same day as the king of rock 40 years apart. aretha wasn't lone some, she died of pancreatic cancer. >> i'm sorry to interrupt, i'm very sad to report this

morning -- >> reporter: fans imagined aretha walking through the gates of heaven like royalty. >> are you a diva? >> would i be a diva? i'm really down-to-earth, i really am. >> reporter: dictionary.com honored her with this entry, this made it hard to spell it. r-e-s-p-e-c-t. ♪ >> reporter: respect, one of the first of her 18 grammys when they called to say she would be awarded the presidential medal of freedom, she thought -- >> is this a joke? >> reporter: her second husband, divorced, but still close, said she had a wonderful sense of humor. >> can i ask you about sex? it's in a lot of your songs. >> sex. >> lsu. >> no, no. you have me mixed up with somebody else. >> mix up aretha? not possible.

she sang at martin luther king's funeral. she let freedom ring at the obama inauguration. at the performance center her performs drove carole king into ecstasy. president obama didn't just sing-along, he wiped away a tear. it happened again at another occasion when she sang "america," and the attorney general also cried. the queen of soul able to touch our souls. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> out front now, larry king, host of larry king and larry king here on cnn and ham of famer, known for the hit song of soulman. he has known her 60 years. someone you have known so long,

losing her has to be a tough moment. you're hearing about what an inspiration she was. what will you miss the most about her, your friend? >> i think the difference would be the side i recognize most about aretha was the gospel side. the pop side was one thing but the gospel side that i understood with her, the struggle, the hurt and everything that came out from her singing the pop stuff, but the gospel is the side i already knew about re. >> larry, you know, you interviewed her, as you have so many people who are legends in this country and around the world. you talked to her just after she performed at president obama's inauguration in 2009 in one of your interviews.

i just want to play a clip from that. >> what was that like for you yesterday? >> what a tremendous, mam mouth morning, evening, the ball, just everything, from one event to the other was just too much. >> aretha wasn't just an iconic singer, a civil rights activist. you saw in jeanne moos there, larry, president obama crying, and after he was crying, when she sang he actually put out a statement. he said, american history wells up when aretha sings, this is what we said to "the new yorker." that's why when she sits down at a piano she can move me to tears. she captures the fullness of the american experience, the view from the bottom to the top, the good and the bad. that was how he talked about her and what she did for america and civil rights.

>> she was larger than her music. can't say that about many performances. the music speaks for itself. she was larger than her music. she was a great american, very smart. she stood up for lots of things. but the way she sang and the way she moved people, you didn't need to use her last name. all you had to say was aretha, you knew who she was. she was quirky. she wouldn't fly. >> right. >> she wouldn't stay in a building over eight floors. in other words -- when we booked her on cnn, our studio was on the ninth floor, and so she wouldn't stay on the ninth floor so we had to interview her at the mandarin hotel on the fourth floor, because she had those little quirks. above all that, she was an amazing individual. those are the kind of people that -- they come along, they're

irreplaceable. you'll never see another aretha ever. >> sam, you know, she played piano on your albums. what was it like working with her? >> i didn't -- you know, i have to agree with larry about this much. when aretha would stand at the mike and sing, she was any of us mortals, but once she sat down, she became immortal. she was the greatest improviser you ever want to find. what she could do with on the piano with her voice was just magical. she was ne best, she was the greatest. standing up, she was just like anyone else, a great singer, good show. what made aretha, the struggle, the love, the hurt, once she sat down at that piano.

>> larry, she had -- her life is an incredible life story, right? her first child at age 12. just think about that for a moment. her second at age 14. she led this life of leadership and inspiration to so many. one of the things that people remember, her costumes. it really stood out. in that interview at the inauguration, you asked her about that infamous hat. here's the back and forth. >> where did you get that hat? >> i bought it at a little mi n milanary i frequent out in detroit. she was well-known for her fashion statements. i love that one, a little milanary i frequent in detroit. >> her presence changed the room. my wife asked her to work in our

gala for the cardiac foundation. she sang, was fantastic. she was great with the children. she was great with everybody. she entertained. she worked hard, wasn't getting paid but she gave a performance that night that was memorable. i'll never forget her. if you ever met her you'll never forget her. >> sam, barack obama continued to say that she reminded him of the possibility of synthesis, reconciliation and transcend ens. do you also feel that way when you think about her and her role as a civil rights fighter in her way? >> i didn't get too involved in the civil rights thing with her. if it's getting involved, to answer that question, it was more about her father, which a lot of people forget to ingest.

i remember her when they would come with martin luther king and her father was there and this little girl would be up on the stage playing the piano. that's the memorable time for me. >> yes, she was, from that little girl through her whole life performing at inaugurations. thank you both so much. and thanks to all of you for joining us. anderson starts now. >> his decision to strip one adversary of a security clearance set off an uproar. president trump might not be through. good evening, jim sciutto here sitting in for anderson tonight. we begin with breaking news, a day after president trump revoked cia director john brennan's security clearance and ordered a review of nine others, the "washington post" reporting tonight he may soon be taking more action. here is their lead