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his decision is stripped of one adversary setting off a war. jim sciutto is here. we begin with breaking news. a day after the president trump revoke john brennan's security clearance and ordering the review of many others. here is their lead tonight. president trump told advisers he's eager to strip more security clearances and against foes who criticized him or played the role of the alleged interference of the 2016 election. josh is sharing the line and he
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joins by phone. >> josh dawsey. >> you saw sarah sanders yesterday recited a list of who he would put away and it seem that is the president is determined to make that happen. >> so the list that sarah sanders read from the podium or yesterday rather including james clapper and james comey and the fbi director that trump fired and andrew mechanic caccabe. to your knowledge, the people who are on that list who are next in line or could expand beyond that? >> that's our knowledge. folks inside the white house are trying to analyze each of these cases. if we were stripping the clearance, what rational and what reasons would we have.
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yesterday you saw sarah going to the podium and taking offenses -- the president in a remarkab remarkable journal interview says that he winked at the russia investigation and he says it was a sham so something had to be done. it was a textbook case and his adviser is looking for a way to explain his action. he eventually just said what he wanted to do any anywaway. that's what's happening here with dan mcgahn and some of these folks have been cplayer sn the probe. had they done anything, it would be notorious and taking away their clearance. that's not what motivates the
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president by all accounts. >> clearances are taken away from people, misuse classified information. the president contradicted the justification given yesterday from the white house podium that this had anything to do that. the president told the washington journal that this was about folks involved in the russia investigation which does not include questions of collusion but facts of the intelligence community that russia interfered in the election. >> with the president said he winked the two directly and to be clear most lawyers in washington say we spoke with you today and he have the right to take security clearances away. rudy giuliani told me this afternoon on a phone interview that no one has the right to tap secret info. and what rudy giuliani was saying the former officials and according to him
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and the president are using this to try to make money or contract. these are the people that the president is not going to call for advise. he said you know we can't think of any other president who has weighed in directly and wanted to take clearance away from people he does not like. how much further he'll go? anyone who goes on television or anyone who writes an opt-ed? he does not like it. i think you have some real concerns among national security watchers and critics of the president. you saw today, you know, the retired navy admiral who led the raid, mr. president, i would consider it an honor if you
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revoke my clearance as well so i can add my name against the list. >> we'll see if the president will take him up on that. what the president have already done as josh mentioned there of retired add mineral william, you had to know what he was doing when they snapped this iconic photo in the white house situation room back in 2011. the president and his national security team monitoring the take down of osama bin laden. in it he tells the president as we just deluded to, quote, "i
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would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well so i can admin name to the list of men and women who spoken up against your presidency." thr through your action you embarrassed us and worse of all divided us from the nation. someone who knows the admiral very well, mark huntly. . >> you served with admiral mcraven in europe and in iraq. he's a formal davies senavy sea. >> jim, primarily because he's courageous, i think i know bill
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mcraven very well, we did serve together in europe and he was this commander in iraq when i commanded the first army division. he's a man of courage, of few words but he's courageous in terms of what he speaks. he's a true american patriot. he understands our constitution and he knows what right looks like. i was proud to serve with bill mcraven back when we were both in uniforms and i am especially proud of the fact that he did in fact speak out today against some of the president's actions. >> and speak out indeed throw our actions he wrote, "you have embarrassed us and humiliated us and worst of all divided us as a nation." >> can you say that about
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admiral mcraven? >> well, what i would say is again i will keep using word courageous. he's a true servant of america. he has dedicated his life in selfless service to our country. what i would say jim, anyone who's not speaking out against this despicable action of the president is a coward. admiral has stepped forward and said exactly the way he feels. i think there should be more people saying exactly that. mr. brennan is also a true patriot. >> let me ask you this mr. hertling, you commanded troops and combat, how much does his voice impact the men and women down the ranks when they see someone as experienced and as respected as this, not political by any means speak out in such
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strong terms, do they listen? does it have an impact? >> well, there are many and the forces in america military falls on both sides of the left and the right. they tend to believe one thing or another based on the narrative that they hear. but, what is different of admiral mcraven's words are he's speaking the truth and the facts. it had nothing to do with the narrative or the opinion, this is the way he sees it in terms protecting america and eansurin that we continue with the rights of free speech, take my security clearance, too and i will admin wish to that as well. i only used my security clearance a couple of times since i have retired.
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if this is what the president is going to do, i will say along with mcraven is take mine too. we are speaking out and we have taken a oath to our constitution of the things that are right and freedom of the speech and the press. we have seen that violated in the last 18 weeks as the president used political means to foster his objectives. >> general shertling thank you very much. joining us john dean who worked for the president and loudly considers the press en y enemi enemienemthe ene enemy. >> john dean, amazingly 47 years ago today you wrote a white house memo, the subject line
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which was dealing with our political enemies included the quote on how to screw them, how are you comparing of what president nixon did and threaten to do then to what you saw from president trump this week? >> well, there are some %-p. i didn't realize it at the time i was instructed to write that memo how deep and angry nixon w was and the revenge he sought. i know it from the tapes today it was worse than i thought. i was trying to throw in their face something that i thought they would find denfensivedefen. that would never happen though in the nixon administration is they did not execute that in the enemy attack where as the trump presidency, we are seeing the execution first and explanation afterwards. >> carl, it has been interesting
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to watch the reaction and many democrats have criticized the president move here, the republicans largely there has been some exceptions, they have either supported the president's move against brennan or shrugging it off as it is not important. when you hear a similar thing from admiral mcraven, he had special operation forces and he commanded the osama bin laden mission, could me be dismissed and put in the category? >> he see donald trump put in that category and acting and seeking and undermine creditability and as well as punish for those who speak the truth. there is no reason to respect
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and what john dean is talking about and what we are seeing here both in the nixon's presidency and trump's presidency are not authoritarian actions. we are seeing mayriad, a good number of actions by president trump and those are some of the things that the special prosecutor mr. mueller is looking at including a likely obstruction of justice to further what he has done in terms of his authoritarian actions. >> we should remind viewers when sarah sanders announced the relocation of brennan's clearance, she read a long list of other names of officials whose clearances are now being reviewed and those including the michael hayden and national
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intelligence james clapper who since came out and said, go ahead and revoke our clearances. >> the most important words jim that we heard are from president trump in his interview with the wall street journal yesterday and which he stated without any reservation or qualifications did he took this action and might took further action not because there is any breach of national security but because quote, "these are the people who led the intelligence gathering that began in his view of the mueller investigation." he made it clear that he's doing this, which indeed get in the area of obstruction of justice. let me say one thing about what i can tell by talking as i have to many lawyers for those who mueller has interrogated their clients as well as i have talked
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to some of the clients and witnesses, it is clear that mueller is going both for a investigation in to likely collusion, conspiracy and with a foreign power. we'll see if it involves donald trump or not. it certainly does look like it involves those around him as well as an obstruction of justice and trying to cover up those activities. i think we can tell by now that mueller is on his way putting forth a vast narrative, a report that illustrates the cover up and the actions that were taken that led to the cover up and the cover up involves donald trump and what we are witnessing now i believe and certainly people around the president of the united states that i talked to who supported him believed that he's running terrified. >> john, let me ask you and we do know and we don't know how
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far mueller is going do go. we do know and carl makes a good point that three people, the three of the intelligence officials who were behind the assessment that russia interfered in the election including to help donald trump, james comey, he has been fired and john brennan and he has his clearance removed and james clapper, he's now been threatened to have his clearance removed. do you see a method to this beyond pettiness. >> pettiness is certainly present and also an effort to influence them as witnesses. he's going to make their lives miserable and we are getting into the area beyond obstruction and witness tampering. he's walking a fine line when he starts to go after these people as he did in the wall street journal, he's going after them because of their work of the
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investigation, it is not as witch hunt and he's going to be left out there with his actions that he may well have to explain to a grand jury. >> thanks very much. >> it is a busy night. there is more breaking news. barba barbara starr learned the veterans day planned for washington has now been postponed. the pentagon in a statement did not give a reason for the postponement, only parade opportunities will be explored next year. there is a lot more in the hour ahead including omarosa manigault-newman's latest recording, what laura trump told her if she makes nice with
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p3 it's meat, cheese and nuts. i keep my protein interesting. oh yea, me too. i have cheese and uh these herbs. p3 snacks. the more interesting way to get your protein. manigault-newman's new book, tonight we are hearing the publisher is firing back saying it will not be intimidated by the trump campaign saying she breached the confidentiality that she signed. the white house released another audio tape where you can hear president trump's daughter-in-law offered her a job of the 2020 election campaign and this was after she
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was fired from the fire house job. an offer that was exchanged for another non-disclosure agreement. she played it today on msnbc. >>. >> what's the new york time article? >> the one that -- the one that wfs in the new york times today. i guess you didn't -- with maggie haberman or they wrote about you. it sounds a little like -- all the money we raise and that pays salaries is directly from donors.
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small donor dollars for the most part. i know you were making $179,000 at the white house. i think we can work something out to keep you a i long that line. we were talking about 15k a month. let's see what that adds to. so that's $180,000. does that sound like a fair deal for you? >> the new york times reporting that the white house is concerned that omarosa manigault-newman may have as many as 200 recordings all together. joining me now of our michael pacuto who was with the trump campaign. michael, listening to the tape there when you hear this job offer at $180,000 a year right after lara trump references her
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concern that manigault-newman has something in her back pocket that was the phrase she used, does that sound to you like a quick proquo? >> of course, not. it sounded that she's recruited for the campaign and they make sure she does not say anything bad. i remember talking to a young veteran who wanted to join the convention in 2016, she spoken badly of the president after his commentary on senator mccain and i told her listen, we know that you are a veteran and we know that upsets you, we can't have anymore of that if you are coming to the convention. she says of course not, i support the president. >> why would you hire someone? she wasfi fired from the white house and lara trump had a concern, not only she had critical things about the president in the past, why would the campaign hire that person?
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>> that's kind of funny you say that. america's first policy, the campaign, people have left the white house have gone to these places. i expect more people to leave the white house and go to the outside political committees. omarosa a omarosa, all her life has failed up. when she left sounded like the president still wanted to her her out and it speaks volume of how much he trusted this person which she did not deserve a bit of it. after working in the campaign and my interview, they asked me if i was okay with the criticism that i used to make and the things that i used to wrote for jack camp, this is as business as usual. >> is it business as usual to offer $180,000 for someone that has been fired. >> that's a wonderful thing.
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the white house has a omarosa problem right now. what has to happen for someone to be fired four times from donald trump. this goes back of 180 of we higher thire the best people which turns out to be not the best. i go back to this image, omarosa is a martyr. there is this picture that everyone is seeing and i am sure where a python is fighting the cobra and the cobra bites the python and the python wraps itself around the cobra, both snakes die. you have two snakes that are going to handle themselves. donald trump has an omarosa problem. she was not a good hire at the beginning and not now. l lara trump offered her $180,000 for a no show job. anyone can see this. >> no, she did not. >> i appreciate michael spin on this but to show up a meeting or
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two in the new york and give a couple of speeches, i think you and i would take that $180,000 tomorrow. >> the small donors believed in him but they don't have any money. would they be concerned to hear that $180,000 to go someone who had been fired from the white house and had that track record. >> most of trump donors would want the money to go to staff or an array that the president thought it was appropriate. i know nobody and the low dollar donor arena who would say it is an awful thing to do. i believe that lara trump made it clear that they got their value for their money. this money comes from small donors who were digging deep in their pocketbook. she talked about the things she was going to have to do. she talked about her duties and to think that lara trump was
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offering her a bride and everyone bacari does not believe that. amanda carpenter last sunday, i think said it best, i repeated many times. mary shelly, she wrote this script, it is called "frankinstein" and the theme is if you create a monster, sometimes it comes back to attack. >> pranks? >> you think that's a good spin? >> the one key thing that both i left out in my last argument and michael is leaving out now is we listen to the john kelly's tape. kelly said he fired her for some ethical lapses. to fire someone in the situation room for ethical lapses and your daughter-in-law turns around and attempts to hire her -- my question is if someone has ethical lapses to the extent they had to be fired from the
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white house, why do you hire them on the campaign and to say you simply don't know and you all of a sudden don't know? it makes no sense what so ever. omarosa deserves whatever she gets and so as donald trump. >> we'll have to let it here tonight. thank you. stay with us including a remarkable nationwide round editorials of one common theme supporting the free press, i am going to speak with the famous white house correspondent all about it. this is not a screensaver. this is the destruction of a cancer cell by the body's own immune system, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now. and today can save your life. ♪
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people." today the president fired back on attacking the boston globe. "there is nothing that i want for the country is freedom of the press. the fact is that the press is free to write and say anything it wants but much of what it says is fake news." >> joining me. sam, thank you so much for joining us tonight. you have the advantage of having covered the administrations or republicans or democrats and some of them not particularly fond of the media including going back to richard nixon. i want to ask you what we are seeing and hearing today from president trump, have you ever seen anything like it or anything to that degree? >> no. richard nixon hated the press and his press secretary hated
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the press but it did not do him any good. jim, if you look at it, no one likes to be criticized and i don't and no president wants to be told that he's doing something wrong but most of them understand that's our job and most of them like people like jimmy carter and ronald reagan and bill clinton during the monica emergency understood why we were there and why we asked the questions that we did. >> does it worry you when you see some of that feelings that the president expresses seeping through significant portions of the american public, there was a pole recently that 51% of republicans adpreegreed that th press is the enemy of the people. is that a danger to the country? >> it is a danger that i thought and most americans thought that or some of them go along with donald trump. beating the press does not work.
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the new york times reporter of saigon during the vietnam war, he wanted him fired, he did not get fired. vietnam turned out the way it did and richard nixon left town one step ahead of the sheriff. it is the facts that mattered and not what i say or any reporters or the press. it is the facts and the truths. the american public, the large part of it if it does not already will come to know what the facts and truths are about donald trump and they'll act accordingly. >> powerful words. i want to read if i can a portion from the opt-ed published yesterday. the lawyer -- "the verbal sparring between my father and sam donaldson of abc, or helen
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thomas of upi, is well documented." what would he say? >> ronald reagan was happy with himself. he knew what he said or did not s say. he never yelled or screamed or said anything at reporters that i have ever heard of. one time sarah mcclendon, very aggressive and started in on him, said you did this and that. how could you say that to such a sweet fella like me and he broke the room up. i said mr. president, the night you blame this continuing recession on congress mistakes in the past, does any of the blame to you? he replied yes. many years i was a democrat and
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we all sat down laughing. he could handle me and helen asking questions and he did. >> sam donaldson, it is great to get your perspective. >> jim, it is a pleasure to be with you. thank you. welcome change of pace even though it is a sad one. an appreciation, a deep appreciation of aretha franklin who died today. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. tell your doctor if these occur. otezla is associated with
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a light went out in the world today yet somehow leaving it brighter for having burnt and richer and soul fuful. aretha franklin died today at 76. here life's journey and how it became the sound track to moments that changed us all whether on the national stage or on the local dance floor with someone we love. two people that knew her well and loved her. let's hear from 360 randy kay.
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>> aretha franklin. ♪ don't play that song for me ♪ ♪ long before she became the queen of soul, she was born in memphis, tennessee. her mother was a pianist and her father is a pastor. he raised her in detroit after her parents split up. aretha franklin demanded respect from an early age. she taught herself to play piano before age 10. her first performances were at her father's church. >> my dad encouraged me to sing. i didn't want to sing in front of a lot of people and he just kept pushing me out there anyway, come on, i want you to
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sing now and okay -- all right, dad and they would put on a box like this box right here, small box behind the puppet and i would stand on that box and sing. >> by age 12, she was touring with her father who sermons earned him a reputation as the man with a golden voice. a trait he seems to pass onto his daughter. ♪ in 1964, aretha, made one of her first television appearances on "the steve allan show." >> she performed the song "won't be alone." it was her song "respect" that c
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catapoled the 25-year-old into stardom. it surged to number one and earned aretha her first two grammy awards for best r&b recording artist and best solo artist. for women, it became an anthem. aretha was barely in her 20s by the time people recognized her as the queen of soul but she was just getting started. her career goes far beyond soul music. her roots were in gospel but she also thrilled people in jazz and r&b. her songs were personal and not
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so hidden messages of pain and loss and sensuality and sexuality. her song "think" was a rallying cry for women fed up with lousy men. aretha won 18 grammy awards including best female r&b performance for eight years in a row. at the peak of her career in the '60s and '70s, she had more than two dozen top 40 hits. in 1947, aretha was the first woman in ducted in to the hall of fame, long before that she sang at dr. martin luther king's
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funeral. >> and also for bill clinton in 1993, she sang at rosa park's funeral in 2005. in 2009 of the inauguration of barack obama. >> i was delighted and thrilled to be there, that was the most important thing and not so much my performance. >> later in 2015, she brought the president to tears at the kennedy center honors. earlier that year she performed for pope francis in philadelphia. over the years they were cameos on murphy brown, unforgettable performances with the like of
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smoke smoky robinson and elton john and duets with james brown. in february 2017, aretha announced she would stop touring but her music will live on. ♪ how sweet the sound, the lord that sings ♪ >> the word is just wow. brandy joining us now right now outside of harlem, we hear there is a party going on in honoring aretha franklin. i know you are watching this and it is really sad of what's going
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on across the country today. >> reporter: this is a special place for aretha franklin and her fans, she first performed back here in 1962 when she was just 19-year-old, they have been blasting her music out here at the apollo theater. they have been saying the queen of soul and they have been giving her dates all day long and people continue to dance in the street andand enjoying her remembering her. the former president and current president will also remember her. president obama and mrs. obama released a statement saying we can feel her history all of it and every shade and our power and pain and light and our quest for redemption and our respect. she helped us feel connected to each other and hopeful. jim, back to you.
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>> thank you so much. joining us now who of aretha's friends. isaiah thomas, both who knew her well. isaiah, if i can start with you, i know you are long time friends with her, what are you remembering of her tonight? >> just how beauty and the way she found to touch everyone with her music but to touch our souls with her friendship and who she was. she found a way to reach out and touch everyone. her songs were the sound track of my household growing up. my mom -- i can still see her sitting in the window crying and listening to "ain't no way" and "natural woman," she inspired all of us with her words but again just the way she reached out and touched us with her
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friendship. when i first got to detroit, her and her family were so welcoming to me. i know all of them and i have known aretha since 1983. we had a long and deep friendship and clive and i were just together two weeks ago just reminiscing and talking about the good times and some of her >> i think the whole country is doing that today. gloria, you said that aretha frankly is not just the queen of soul. she's an american treasure. tell us about, as a singer, tell us about her voice. >> her voice was incredible. i've been sitting here thinking while you were talking and thinking that she personified the word "inimitable." there is no other. there were never be another to even compare to aretha franklin's voice, the way that she expressed a song made you feel it.
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you believed that she was living or had lived the words that she was singing because it was just so -- seemingly so deeply felt and transferred to you as you were hearing it. she is so much of the brick and mortar of the foundation of my career. i sang so many of her songs when i first started performing because those were the songs to sing if you were going to sing anybody's song and be heard and be listened to. you had to have aretha franklin songs in your repertoire. and so i've always admired her for her tenacity in her career, for her voice, for her delivery, for her complete musicianship. the education that -- so many people go into singing without being ed educated. she was educated as a singer and sang so many different genres.
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who knew the woman could sing opera in italian. come on. she was inimitable. >> we played that earlier. she jumped in for luciano pavarotti and sang like a natural. she covered your song "i will survive" on a recent album. i have to imagine as a singer, as a performer, that's about the biggest gift she could have given you. >> absolutely. absolutely. they say that imitation is the highest form of compliment, and so she highly complimented me by doing that song, by doing my song, and i am so flattered by that. i really, really was when i heard about it. >> isiah, one of many things about aretha franklin, she was a tremendous musical talent, but she was a voice for civil rights. she was a voice for feminism. you know, that song "respect," there was a lot of meaning
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behind that word "respect." how important was that part of her legacy? >> it was extremely important, particularly during those times in the '60s and '70s when african-american women and men were still asking for respect from this country. her and the staple singers, they were talking about how women needed to be respected, and my mother resonated with that. when my daughter was born, aretha found time to write her a note and send flowers to the house. and just when, you know, hillary was touring, trying to, you know, do fund-raisers in detroit, she was very political, and she was all about the women's movement, about respect. and her and my daughter shared a moment when they were singing a respect song in detroit and just, you know, she was
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political. she was a friend. she inspired all of us to speak up and speak out. and, again, we talk about her music, but a lot of conversations that she and i had, particularly later in her life, was about the politics, and she was very, very concerned about the tone and the tenor of this country. >> a story i love, gloria, was how "respect," of course originally recorded by a man, singing about getting respect from his wife when he comes home -- gloria, she turned that around, right? this is a woman -- >> she certainly did. >> saying give me respect. >> she certainly did, absolutely. she made better use of it than anyone i know. >> as you're here tonight, both of you, i feel lucky to have two folks who knew her so well. isiah, she was very private personally, and she faced a lot of tragedy in her life. her father, who of course had been a preacher, he was shot by burglars, and he lingered on in
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a coma for five years. she had a child very young. how did that affect her? did she share with you -- how did she overcome personal tragedy? >> well, as you said, she was very private, but there would be moments, you know, during our conversations that, you know, she would share some of those private struggles that she had dealt with, you know, trying to help me in terms of some of the private struggles that i was dealing with. so she was very willing to share with her close friends. but, you know, through her pain and through all of her ups and downs, she always found a way to smile and enjoy life and encourage others. she kept telling me, you got to get out of the hotel. you got to -- you know, when you visit these cities, you got to walk around. you got to meet people. you got to start enjoying life a little bit more. and at the end, i think she realized what was going on with her, and she would start just
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dropping little hints to all of us. but for the most part, she was very private. but, you know, through her struggles, she always found joy. you know, i remember when she was singing, you know, driving in detroit with her pink cadillac, you know, it resonated so well with detroit. she was the heart and soul and the queen of soul, not only of detroit but for the world. and, you know, she would be happy with a night like tonight where the whole world is honoring her and giving her respect. >> folks, isiah thomas, gloria gaynor, thanks so much for sharing your thoughts and memories with us. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. stop dancing around the pain that's keeping you awake. advil pm gives tossing and turning a rest and silences aches and pains. fall asleep faster, stay asleep longer with advil pm.
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with pg&e in the sierras. and i'm an arborist since the onset of the drought, more than 129 million trees have died in california. pg&e prunes and removes over a million trees every year to ensure that hazardous trees can't impact power lines. and since the onset of the drought we've doubled our efforts. i grew up in the forests out in this area and honestly
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it's heartbreaking to see all these trees dying. what guides me is ensuring that the public is going to be safer and that these forests can be sustained and enjoyed by the community in the future. during her many special television appearances over the decades, aretha franklin made one very special stop. she was a guest on "larry king live" and this remarkable and rare piece of video is where we're going to leave you tonight. ♪ ♪ that's the way that it was planned ♪
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♪ how can i, how can i give you everything that i can ♪ i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." the queen of soul is gone from this earth, but she's going to live forever in song and spiritual healing. aretha franklin was 76. you know, god didn't give us the words to capture what her voice did to us and for us. but we have her music, and we're going to listen all through the show as her artistry and her political action are remembered by those who witnessed her magic. reverend jesse jackson was by her side during civil rights battles and for her final battle