helping their future colleagues from across the atlantic. more than three-quarters of european elementary students are already learning english. >> monday, tuesday -- >> those american kids will still be able to communicate with someone. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. hey, i'm brian tell ter. it's time for "reliable sources." this is our weekly look at the story behind the story, how the media really works, how the news gets made, and how we can make it better. this hour i'm going to go one on one with twitter ceo jack dorsey about how he's trying to clean up the graffiti that's all over twitter's walls. plus speaking of twitter, president trump's use of the platform. he's publicizing his enemies list. john brennan just the first victim. we'll get into that with ralph peters. plus a black lash against progressive star alexandria ocasio-cortez because she shut

reporters out of two town halls. we'll get into all of that this hour. but first, panicking, who's panicking? trump's media world says robert mueller is panicking. but if you look on twitter, you might think it's president trump, who is in a twitter tizzy this morning, tweeting all sorts of things. here is one example, attacking the failing "new york times," saying the paper is writing fake news. it's not. and he's comparing whies counte counsel don mcgahn, saying "the new york times" is portraying him as a john dean type rat. there's so much wrong with these tweets, he's even misspelling "counsel." if you were in some other foreign capital, you would look at this and say, is the president okay? is he all right? the president live tweeting fox more than he ever has before. we counted it up.

of his almost 100 tweets during the week, dozens of them, at least 23 of them, came directly from fox news coverage. others were clearly inspired by fox news. so before we begin, we wanted take a look at what he's hearing on fox. what people like judge janine piero are telling him through the tv. piero was bemoaning poor paul manafort. >> trying to get him to rat on the president of the united states. and you're panicking now, bob. but you know, bob, we're all getting tired of this. and this all comes down to your effort to get donald trump indicted and you are panicking. you got nothing. >> okay. panicking. so who is really panicking? the woman who is taunting the prosecutor through the tv? or is it the special counsel team that's quietly doing its work? there have been no signs of mueller panicking. but notice how piero fed that

idea to rudy giuliani a few minutes later, and then he happily repeated the panicking thing. >> does it tell you that -- >> no. >> -- that mueller is starting to panic, to telma begal mcgahn the president is teeing you up for a fall? what's going on? >> the best analysis would be that the mueller team is panicking. >> so you see how it works? you see how the echo chamber or mirror maze is happening? now it's mueller panicking, that's the new talking point, even though it's nonsensical. speaking of nonsensical, rudy giuliani's tv tour is continuing. it's on "meet the press" this morning. apparently there's a new form of alternative facts. the new line replacing alternative facts is "truth isn't truth "wat."

watch. >> i'm not going to be rushed into getting him to testify and trapped into perjury. people say he should tell the truth and not worry. that's silly because it's somebody's version of the truth. >> truth is truth. >> no, truth isn't truth. the president of the united states says i didn't. >> truth isn't truth? mr. mayor, do you realize what -- i -- this is going to be become a bad meme. >> don't do this to me. >> don't do truth isn't truth to me. >> truth isn't truth, fine, maybe we should all be panicking. i'm kidding, of course. sabrina acsiddiqui, and susan glasser, cnn global affairs analyst. susan, what are the history books going to tell us about this weekend? >> well,, you know, brian, in some ways i still feel like we're in the early chapter, maybe, not the prologue, but the

first chapter of the donald trump story. and, you know, we've hardly seen, for example, what the mueller investigation is really going to result in. there's just no question, i'm glad you highlighted what appears to be the increased trumpian worries on his twitter feed and his public statements. it looks like he is freaking out in a way that we haven't seen throughout his presidency. so, you know, i do feel like we're entering a new stage here. and, you know, people often compare trump to a reality show. but to me it's almost like the unreality show that's really kicking in here. truth isn't truth, it's mueller who is like mccarthy, it's the others who are panicking, it's really the opposite of reality that trump is foisting on us at this point in time. >> sabrina, what's your take? >> well, look, this is a white house that has been nav gaigati from one controversy to the next since taking office. much of the crises they've encountered are of their own

making. obviously the russia investigation has cast a significant cloud over the trump presidency, so much that it's distracted from his legislative agenda. outside of tax reform, there's been no deal on health care, no deal on trade, no deal on immigration, no deal on infrastructure, the list goes on. there's no coherent foreign policy strategy either. all the president has left is to try to harden his support within the base. and so a great deal of that requires a helping hand from fox news and other conservative friendly media outlets to try and essentially create an alternative narrative called the alternative facts universe, if you will, where frankly, speaking truth isn't truth. >> carlos, you wrote about six pro-trump books that you've read and reviewed, bless you, for "the washington post." let's show on screen, these are "let trump be trump" and "the russia hoax," janine piero's

book is one of of them. piero's book has on top of "the new york times" bestseller list. when you read these books, what did you come away with thinking of the effective of pro-trump media world? >> right now there's two kinds of books published on the trump presidency, the horrified outside observer books that feel trump is portending the end of the republic, and then you have these pro-trump books that really feed into this echo chamber to the point where you can't tell sometimes, you know, if it begins with trump's twitter feed or the pro-trump news shows, or these books. but substantively what you see is that they go after the same people trump is going after. former cia director brennan is a major villain in the pro-trump books. and these kind of truth isn't truth leaps of logic you see in the books in "the russia hoax" by gregg jarrett, he says

basically trump can't be obstructing justice because there's no injustice to obstr t obstruct. if he did nothing wrong, why would he obstruct a probe into no wrongdoing? this is the kind of logic that you see materialize in these books. >> logic or i guess logic in quote marks. but did you find these books to be persuasive at all? can you understand why people would come away feeling, hey, my guy is the victim of a deep state plot? >> these books individually are not persuasive. they are useful collectively as a genre. they have these recurring tics. they sound like trump, they praise all the things you think of as negatives of the trump presidency. like his ignorance on foreign policy is his strength. there's this i know you are but

what am i attitude that runs through them. >> like with piero, you can almost see trump's allies sweating, they're clearly concerned but have to say mueller is the one panicking. this new quinnipiac poll has to be pointed out, it shows 26% of americans will side with trump's enemy of the people talk of the press, while 65% say the press is an important part of democracy. let's break this down by party. the important part here is that half of republicans will parrot trump's line and say that the press is the enemy. sabrina, your reaction to this polling. >> this is consistent with other polling that shows that trump's attacks on the media are working, at least among republicans. there have been other worrying surveys that show a majority of republicans even support giving trump the power to shut down elements of the media. but i do think that you are seeing somewhat of a ceiling with respect to how effective he is, because the majority of americans still are supportive

of the media and recognize just how vital the role of a free press is to the united states and to its democracy. so i think that is part of why you're seeing him really play to the base. and the question becomes in the 2018 midterms or if you look ahead to 2020, is he going to be effective as an incumbent president in making the same argument that he did as a candidate. the polling doesn't support that he will be. >> even longer term than that, i was talking to political scientist brian cloth, an outspoken trump critic. he says, two decades from now, what is the impact of this enemy rhetoric going to be? >> there's a poll out this week that shows that 26% of americans do believe that the media is the enemy of the people. that doesn't end when trump leaves office. and how many of those people are going to discount truthful, accurate reporting, not just for the next 2 1/2 years but for the next 2 1/2 decades, for example.

>> that's the issue. and susan, i don't think we know the answer, i don't think we know what the long term effects are going to be exactly. but going back to rudy and this truth isn't truth stuff from today, you know, rudy's been out there saying, go ahead, bob mueller, release your report, we have our own report too. is that how this is going to end, two duelling reports, two narratives, and nobody will agree on the truth? >> look, at this point the hope of guiliani and the trump legal team is that it ends in that fashion. what we don't know of course is what are the results of the november midterm elections going to be, and the timing of mueller's report and what is contained in it. and if there is a change in the control of the house of representatives, as now seems possible, if not likely, you certainly are going to see a much different approach from congress, and hearings. i believe that there will be overwhelming pressure on democrats from their base to launch impeachment hearings.

and so you could start to see an entirely different process kick in here. by the way, speaking of unreality, that's why you have president trump right now trying to create, in addition to his narrative around the rigged witch hunt, selling his supporters on a whole different alternate reality, the idea that not only is there not going to be a blue wave, there's not going to be a red wave either come this fall. >> isn't he saying there is going to be a red wave? >> well, that's what donald trump says, there's going to be a red wave. and i think it's another example of the alternate reality presidency. >> susan, stick around, if you can. carlos and sabrina, thank you for being here. we'll take a quick break, and then i think we're going back to the future, back to the '70s. secret tapes, an enemies list, and a white house lawyer spilling the beans. ralph peters is here to react, in just a moment. dogs have evo, but their nutritional needs remain instinctual. that's why there's purina one true instinct. real meat #1. a different breed of natural nutrition.

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welcome back to "reliable sources." i'm brian stelter. what started this week with former cia director john brennan is not going to end with brennan. the white house is reportedly planning to revoke other security clearances from other former officials who have been critical of president trump. let's talk about it now with ralph peters, a retired u.s. army lieutenant colonel and former fox news military analyst. thank you for coming on the program, i appreciate it. >> i'm glad to be here, brian. we all have to do our part in these dreadful, dreadful days in washington. >> what is the most dreadful

part about it for you? >> well, the most dreadful part is that we have a president who does not respect our system of government, does not understand our government, who is not interested in understanding our government, who believes that the constitution is a menu from which he can choose only the most delectable items, who doesn't respect the constitution. that's one thing. but the twin -- the evil twin of that is that i believe, as a former russia analyst for most of my career, and having worked directly with russian intelligence services, i am convinced that the president of the united states is enthralled to vladimir putin. there is no other way to explain his behavior. and he perfectly fits the profile of the kind of people the russians target. so when it comes to worries, you know, trump gives us something new to worry about virtually every day, but it's important not to lose sight of the overall picture. this is a distinctly un-american

president who really doesn't seem to like america very much, certainly doesn't respect it. and he's a president who appears to be enthralled to a foreign power, a hostile foreign power. this is unbelievable to me. i could never have foreseen this. i was a pretty good analyst, made a lot more good calls than bad calls. i never could have foreseen this, to use a cliched word, this orwellian situation. >> when you sound the alarm the way you're doing right now, do you worry that it has the opposite effect of your intent, that you actually scare people off or make them tune out by saying such harsh things about the president? >> no, i don't worry about it. because i refuse to calculate what i say based on who it might please or who it might displease. we've got plenty of that in washington. what we need is people who will speak honestly and say what they believe and not worry about who it offends. i'm just sick and tired of people hedging and hemming and

hawing. this is a president of the united states who is a danger to the republic. brian, the only reason i am here today on this show or any show isn't because i'm enamored with the chance to be on television. it's because we all need to do our part. these are parlous times. it is not hyperbole to say this man and his henchmen and henchwomen constitute a threat to our republic. >> you have called fox news a destructive propaganda machine when you resigned earlier this year. are they partly at fault for propping up trump? >> certainly, of course. i mean, i left fox because as a former military officer who took an oath to the constitution, i could not be part of a channel that to me was assaulting the constitution, the constitutional order, the rule of law. but that said, fox isn't

immoral, it's amoral. it was opportunistic. trump was a gift to fox and fox in turn is a gift to trump. as you observed earlier, it's a closed loop. and so people that only listen to fox have an utter wily skewe view of reality. by the way, earlier some of your guests were describing trump world in terms of republicans. the republican party is gone or at least dormant. the people supporting trump are radicals. these couch potato analysts don't have a program to make america great again, and by the way america is great right now. rather, they're destructive. they want to tear things down. they want vengeance. and trump is brilliant at that. he's done what autocrats and charlatans and false messiahs throughout history have done. he's told core supporters, you're not to blame for the mistakes you made. you're not to blame for your

failures. it's them, it's the minorities, it's the immigrants, it's fake news, it's the deep state. >> it's a very compelling story. how do you counter that story, ralph? >> good men and women have to fight for this country in terms of being good citizens, in terms of voting, informed votes. and in terms of reaching out. you know, the core trump supportersen, tsupport e ers, the hard core, you cannot reach them. but there are many people who voted for trump because they so strongly disliked mrs. clinton. there are people we can talk to. if anything, what we need to do is get past the personal vilification of somebody who didn't vote the way we did. we have the right and the left and what's lost is the center. most americans are in the center, they're reasonable people, and they're being drowned out. we're helping, all the media is

helping, because we're enthralled to trump. eve every tweets wipes out everything. the bridge collapse in italy, none of it matters, it's all trump's tweet. >> we have to be careful not to let the tweets overwhelm us, i completely agree, we have to exercise editorial judgment. i think we're better at that than 18 months ago, in knowing which tweets are newsworthy and which are distractions. i wanted to show fox and nbc side by side. you described fox as a closed loop. let's take a look at the two channels side by side. >> after years of serious misconduct, former cia chief and obama sycophant john brennan can kiss his security clearance bye-bye. >> this is a guy you want to keep close to you, even if he's critical of the president, this is a guy who knows something about some of the biggest threats facing the country right now. >> the fact that he got that far is astounding. i look forward to his books. i know there will be one.

>> john brennan is an american patriot. >> how did someone so obviously intellectually limited get to be cia director in the first place? >> if you believe the decision was made because of the president's duty to protect americans, then i've got a bridge to sell you. >> do you just your former colleagues at fox are proud of their performance? >> the polite word is "prostitutes," so we'll just leave it at that. i don't want to be the go-to guy for fox-bashing forever. but what fox is doing is causing real harm to our country right now. and as for brennan, i am not the world's biggest john brennan fan. but yanking his clearance was wrong. it was wrong because that's not how we do things in this country. as jim mattis observed, yes, we pull clearances for a lot of reasons, usually to do with bad behavior, danger that people could be susceptible to espionage overtures, people who are financially irresponsible.

we never, never pull clearances for partisan political purposes. we don't do it. and so on this particular issue, i'm absolutely on brennan's side. it's encouraging to me to see so many people who wore uniforms for a long time come out, because military people are not political. we're conditioned not to be. but it's gotten so bad that now you do have generals and admirals and former intelligence chiefs speaking out, because they recognize, again, without hyperbole, these times, we're facing serious threats to our core institutions. when the justice department, when the fbi, the intelligence agencies, the courts are under attack. i mean, domestically, from our own president, and his paladins, how can we not be alarmed if we care about this country in the least? >> ralph peters, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. quick break here. much more ahead, including

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this, susan, because i think it's an issue going forward. yes, trump's attacks are awful but it's not the only issue that journalists contend with. even some democrats are restricting access. >> that's right. i think a lot of politicians make the mistake of thinking that, you know, just because the other party is in power, the press is somehow on their side. press bashing has long been an equal opportunity sport. alexandria ocasio-cortez has been rocketed to national stardom on the basis of winning one primary election. i think she's learning perhaps the hard way that the national media scrutiny isn't always going to give you flattering portrayals, but that openness means openness. and she made a mistake, in my view, this week. >> and her campaign spokesman said this won't happen again, there will be access in the future. speaking of attacks against the press, there were 400 newspapers across the country, many of them local papers, publishing editorials decrying trump's press attacks recently. we can show a map from "the

boston globe" of all 400-plus papers. there was concern the president would cite this as evidence of collusion. sure enough, he did, he said this is proof the papers are out to get me. what was your take? >> you know, look, i think that it was an important and necessary cri de couer from the national press. the president of the united states has called the media the enemy of the people. having lived for four years in russia, i'm very sensitive to the idea. it's been used by many dictators over time but nowhere to more deadly affect than the soviet union where joseph stalin considered anyone against him the enemy of the people. that was the sentence used to send many people to the ghoulag and to their death. when the president uses that rhetoric, that's important sign that you can actually speak up for the constitution and whether

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is your twitter feed sick? hate, harassment, and misinformation are poisoning social media. twitter ceo jack dorsey knows this and he's trying to cure twitter's ills. but how? i asked him in san francisco. what is broken about twitter today? >> what is broken about twitter? i mean, i think it really depends on who you follow and your perception of what you see and how you feel about that. i mean, there's a lot of emphasis today on politics twitter. and politics twitter tends to be pretty divisive and it tends to be pretty contentious. and you see a lot of outrage and you see a lot of -- a lot of

unhealthy debate that you probably want to walk away from. if you go to other twitters like nba twitter or k-pop twitter, you see the complete opposite. you see a lot of empowering conversation. so we do have a lot of focus right now on some of the negative things, given the current environment. and i believe it's important to see those. i believe it's important to see the dark areas of society so that we can acknowledge and address them. i think the only way to address them is through conversation. but it is hard, especially when it feels toxic and you want to walk away from it. >> what about incentives that encourage the extremes, encourage polarization? >> just packibacking up a bit, when we started the company and the service 12 years ago, we weren't necessarily thinking about some of the repercussions from our actions. and they looked quite small at the time. for instance, we thought, you know, well, people are following

you, so we should count them. and then we should put that count right on your profile page. and obviously people care about that. so we should make it big. but that one small choice, and it felt very small at the time, and it felt obvious at the time, put an incentive to grow that number. is that the right incentive that we should be driving? i don't think it is today. i don't think it matters as much in context of how many conversations you have or how much you contribute back to the network. and another good example that i think will help a lot of what we're trying to do in health is, what we see with echo chambers. we only give people one tool right now, which is to follow an account. >> you want people to be able to follow stories or subjects or hashtags? >> yeah, i mean, we've been focusing a lot of the service today more towards topics, more towards interests. >> it sounds like you're ready and willing to rebuild the entire house, to renovate

everything. >> we're ready to question everything. i mean, we've changed so much in twitter over the past 12 years. i know it doesn't always feel that way. but we've changed a lot. but we haven't changed the underlying fundamentals. we haven't changed some of the incentives that we probably took for granted because they were easy when we built it, and they felt obvious when we built it but it may not be relative today. >> when you say "health," is that a euphemism for something? >> we've seen all these issues on the surface. we've seen abuse, we've seen trolling, we've seen harassment, we've seen misinformation. and it came to a point where we felt we were playing whack-a-mole. and also just addressing the surface level behaviors and symptoms rather than looking deeper at the second order drivers, what's behind all these actions. and we wanted something that was really tangible, that could be comprehensive of everything that

we're seeing. so we were asked a question, what if you can measure the health of a conversation? and we think we can, because we all know when we've been in a conversation that has felt toxic, that we want to walk away from, and that's an indicator. we've been in conversation that don't feel toxic, that feel empowering, that we want to stay in, that's an indicator. so if we can measure that, we can measure our progress and actually understand if we're helping. we're asking ourselves the question, like how do we earn people's trust. it's one of our operating principles, which is earn people's trust. and we do that because we realize that more and more people have fear of companies like ours. and the perceived power that companies like ours have over how they live and even think every single day. and that is not right. and it is not fair. >> you're right that a lot of americans, a lot of people around the world, fear the power of these silicon valley giants.

are they right to fear your power? do you feel as powerful as they think you are? >> i don't feel as powerful as they think we are. but i do understand the sentiment. i do understand how actions by us could generate more fear. and i think the only way we can disarm that is by being a lot more open, explaining in a straightforward way why we make decision, how we make decisions. >> you all are every day taking down bot nets and suspicious accounts and trying to stamp out abuse that's happening every day. but i wonder if users don't see it happening enough. >> yeah, it's an amazing point, and like a lot of the output of our health initiatives, are pretty invisible in the short term. we have had people, some of your colleagues, for instance, say that, you know, i've noticed it

improve. it's still there but it improved. and you -- i think you see a brunt of the negativity. >> "you" meaning journalists? >> journalists get an unfair dose of a lot of the contention. >> everyone is a media critic. >> well, based on what you're reporting around. i think we need to do a better job at protecting and ensuring that you can do your work without distraction. but over the short term, a lot of this work is invisible. over the long tell mrm, it staro add up. >> what is the timeline for changing the use of the "like" button? >> we're looking at these things right now. we've definitely had conversations about them. >> would you say by the end of the year there's going to be fundamental changes to twitter? >> i don't -- i -- i worry about a time frame like that, because

we also need to take into consideration, we're a small company. i mean, in comparison with our peers, we're a small company, but we have this outsize impact. and i believe importance. there is a lot of what's in twitter that you would find in a public square, to use the older analogy. >> you mean all the graffiti on the walls? >> there is part of that. but there's also really amazing, open conversation. and there's the ability to walk up to anyone and strike something up. so there's positives and there's what people perceive to be negative as well. >> i met my wife on twitter, i'm always going to love twitter. but i kind of feel like it's a garden that's overrun by weeds. do you feel like the gardener, struggling to keep up? >> there are certainly times we feel like we're behind. that goes back to my point, we need to be really good with prioritizing and sequencing and understanding what matters most. so if the incentives are going

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alex jones a conspiracy theorist and hatemonger on his info wars website. many social media giants like facebook and youtube restricted jones' feeds, deleted them off their platforms. twitter was the exception. at first twitter said it wouldn't remove alex jones because he hadn't violated the site's rules and policies. then cnn's oliver darcy found captions of how jones had violated the written-down rules and policies. right now jones is in a one-week time out for bad behavior.

is that going to work? >> it is your job to make sure people are not misinformed on twitter? >> i think we need to be really thoughtful about what that means, like what is misinformation and how do we help people determine credibility. >> classic example from the 2016 election, the pope endorses donald trump. popular article that spread on twitter and facebook. wouldn't it be easier to make sure the lie doesn't spread? >> i don't think it is pretty easy. you have to extend it and generalize it to everything that could happen along that vector. i think what we could do is provide more context and whether it be showing all of the different perspectives, people are saying this is fake and people who are believing it, to actually advance that conversation, that's one way. i'm not assuming that will solve

everything, but gives journalists more opportunity to remove some of the bias and call it out for what it is. and i think we can do a lot to help there. also identifying more credible voices in real time, amplifying that credibility is something we can do. but we have not figured this out. i do think it would be dangerous for a company like ours going back to the fear point to be arbitors of truth. >> did twitter make mistakes around alex jones, info wars, around the initial announcement that no, he has not been abusing, no, he has not been over the line. then a few days later, giving him a timeout? >> well, our system works by people reporting content. so we don't -- we're not in a place to proactively review everything. we act when we receive reports. that's just consistently enforcing our approach and roles.

people may disagree with that approach, may say you should be more proactive around all of the content. while we could do that, it requires so many resources. hours and hours and hours of looking through video content. so at the time we did not receive reports that we felt we could take any action on that violated on our terms of service. your colleagues at cnn pointed out a number of them. we took action on one and noticed that all of the others likely because they were made known to alex jones and info wars were being deleted. as we receive reports, we take action. and there are varying degrees of enforcement action, starting with warnings to temporary suspensions which the accounts are now in, all the way to a permanent suspension. >> is it possible that he'll change his behavior on twitter? do you think he really might do that? >> i don't know. i mean, just stepping back, like

we have seen -- we have evidence that shows temporary suspensions, temporary lockouts will change behavior, it will change people's approach. i'm not naive enough to believe it is going to change it for everyone but it's worth a shot. you know, but more importantly it is consistent with our enforcement. we can't keep changing randomly based on our viewpoints, because that adds to the fears of companies like ours of making these judgments, according to our own personal views of who we like and don't like and taking that out on those people. those viewpoints change over time. it just feels random. doesn't feel fair. doesn't earn anyone's trust because you can't see what's behind it. >> do you miss days when you would use twitter to meet up with your friends? now we're talking about how it is used to cause violence.

>> i mean, i think it's just so important to see the world for what it is and i don't want to live in a world where just we only see the happy things and only focus on what makes us feel good because we have a lot of stuff to figure out. so no. i don't miss them because we're seeing a lot of important things we need to finally discuss. >> we're going to share the entire interview on our reliable sources podcast. joining me, oliver darcy, senior media reporter leading the way of the questions on alex jones. are twitter answers satisfying? >> sounds comical, he thinks pulting alex jones in a twitter time out will effect his behavior. he sounds like he is a college professor, dealing in hypotheticals and philosophy here. but this isn't a classroom.

there are real problems having real impact on people's lives and it is happening now. >> i think he is asking the right questions. to the point, maybe he is short on answers. >> you ask for a time line on stuff, he doesn't have a time line. even the current policies in place for reporting harassment don't seem to be working and it is curious why he doesn't have any answers, he doesn't have any answers for today, right now. how can twitter better effect the discourse on politics. and it is kind of baffling, too. >> i thought mike allen said it well yesterday, he said tech companies now are jammed up between on one hand calls for bans on conspiracy and hate speech and fake news, but on the other hand, coordinated conservative uprising about being muzzled by liberal ceos. not many answers from twitter. thanks for being here. more in our reliable sources newsletter. sign up at reliablesources.com. full interview with jack dorsey

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