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i'm george howell. "newsroom" starts right now. at 5:00 a.m. here on the u.s. east coast, in about 30 minutes time, pope francis is set to arrive in ireland, the first papal visit there in almost 40 years. many will be greeting him, cheering his arrival. but there is also clear and raw anger in that nation as the church faces a scandal the backlash over decades of sexual abuse and coverups at the hands of priests and church officials. at some point, the pope is set to meet with some of those sexually victims of abuse. his stops will include dublin chasm a homeless shelter, st. mary's pro cathedral and the world family celebration. sunday includes an open air mass in dublin's phoenix park. following the story, cnn senior vatican analyst john allen, also

the editor of the independent news site crux live for us in dublin, ireland, this hour. a pleasure to have with you us again john. so what is the mood there ahead of this visit by the pope? >> reporter: well, look, george, pope francis is expected to draw large an enthusiastic crowds when he gets here. you mentioned the open air max in phoenix park. tomorrow, estimates are he will draw a half million people. it will be europe's biggest outdoor event of the summer. you shouldn't mistake the warmth and enthusiasm that so many of these families that are taking part in that world meeting for indifference or denial about the reality of the situation. the reality of the situation is, under any circumstance, the pope coming to ireland would have to engage the church's sexual abuse scandal. this is a country that has the

profound scandals, the catholic church here for a long time ran every school, every hospital, every orphanage in the country. so it is profound. there is almost no one in ireland that doesn't have someone in their family who is a survivor of abuse. but given the context. given the scandals surrounding now excardinal theodore mccarrick of the united states, that blistering report, in six diocese, 1,000 child victims and 300 priests over a seven-ier period, everyone believes it's just the iceberg. in chile committed by catholic clergy. it is absolutely in the air here that the pope has to address this issue and not simply in terms of offering the kind of apologies and reassurances that have been heard from popes and other church officials in the

past. but offer something concrete that will give people reason to believe that after decades of these kind of revelations that something is going to give, george. >> john allen, thank you so much for your time and perspective. we'll keep in up the with you. there is plenty of anger of many catholics in ireland a country dealing with its own history of abuse. photos of some victims were projected in dublin friday night. as we mentioned, the pontiff plans to pooem meet wimeet with victims ahead of pope francis' trip to ireland. >> i survived. i consider myself something of a thriveer at times and i am privileged to work with survivors and make my little continue buying to this fight against this evil scourge. but my brother mike didn't

survive and the drug and alcohol that consumed him even before he left school eventually took his life. and when the pope a couple of days ago in his letter referred to the, i think he referred to the culture of death, i thought it's not often i agree with what the church officials say about this issue but on that one, i do agree with frances about the culture of death, because for every ten survivors, who survive and thrive and go on to lead something of a should we say a normal life, there are survivors who did not survive. >> any progress that has been made? >> there is one force that is responsible for it. and that is survivors of clergy sexual abuse. what survivors of clergy sexual abuse do when they are able come

forward and emerge out of silence and to speak is that they take action that's what they do. and that is exactly to the example that pope francis a and the vatican has to take. >> the world is watching if dublin. we have the director of am necessity international ireland and a clerical abuse survivor. thank you again for being with us. again, you were one of the first to speak out about abuse, yourself. a victim of abuse. yours was one of the faces posted there on buildings in dublin. what do you expect? what do you want to hear from this pope's visit? >> reporter: good morning, george, thanks, for having me. frankly, what i want to hear from the pope's visit here. when i sued john paul ii to get

the truth of what he knew about the rape an abuse in ireland. i want the pope to tell the truth. he hasn't done that yet. i listened to john. he talked about paper am apologies. i haven't seen a single papal apology in years. i seen regret, sorrow, devastation at the pain and suffering of people like me. i seen condemnations of pedophile priests the appalling depravity of that abuse and the coverup. i have never seen a semple truth being stated. >> that is that the vatican at the most senior level including popes draengtd implemented a coverup of the abuse of hundreds of thousands of people across the world that this wasn't a failure of culture as we are hearing now, that they didn't understand or know or have in-depth knowledge, that it was a deliberate willful only in to check the institution, the power and money and it was codified

into laws and norms. from that, from truth can flowkability, justice, change. we get nowhere if we don't have truth? i learned it from my parents and i learned it from the church. so the church needs to stand for truth this pope needs to stand for truth finally. he has not done that yet. >> they say they knew what was going on. you say you want a dam apology and beyond an apology, what about concrete steps from this pope to hear what he would do, to hear what he would implement throughout the catholic church to insure this doesn't happen again. >> reporter: well, we can't even begin to talk about what steps might be fess if we don't have an acknowledgment of the problem. it's not clergy raped and abused children. of course, those are terrible times. they happen in all circles. the problem the vatican needs to own up to, the coverup of those

crimes, it's collusion and facilitation in them. if it names that. it opposite it to transparent accountability and where necessary investigation. pope francis said to catholics world wide this week, he is aware of measures in part of the world to bring those abused chen to come to account. what is he talking about? he didn't name that. bishop, well, only he within church can hold bishops tok. how does the vatican hold bishops tok for doing exactly what it directed them to do? it's laid out in church documents, in church law, in the grand jury report, in numerous investigations into these issues here in ireland and just last week we had a former with the confirm the fact factory of the states sought to enter into a a

legal agreement whether they were held in atkinson files here in ireland or in rome. that is a coverup plain and simple. so the vatican needs to be accountable. right now, pope francis is the man in the big seat. so he needs to place his institution, his office, before an appropriate authority and accountable. i find it staggering the motion that a pope would tell the truth. but it is. >> one of the voices resonating what the pope will hear, thank you for your time and perspective in dublin him we will monitor the pope's arrival to your nation. here in the united states, more cracks in the foundation.

people once loyal to the president. people in his inner circle turning against him. we have learned trump's top accountant has been granted immunity. allen weiselberg. you see him here. he's the man that handled all of mr. trump's money for many years. that follows the immunity deal to long-time associate david pecker, pecker runs the "national enquirer." he says he used his position to kill stories about president trump and knows the worst secrets of his life. it's important to note how central weiselberg is or the potential rick his testimony could pose to president trump. >> reporter: in what could be a new proceed to president trump, sources tell cnn moneyman allen weiselberg granted immunity to

work with federal prosecutors to investigation michael cohen. who pleaded guilty to breaking campaign finance laws and implicated trump. >> replacing gorge this week is my chief financial operate, allen weiselberg. you think george is to you. wait until you see allen. >> reporter: he has worked for trump for decades, as one employee puts it, he knows where every every of the proverbial financial bodies are buried. he personally gave trump updates on these matters. a source says his interview with versions took place weeks ago and focused on cohen and the hush money payments with two women claiming to have affairs with trump, which he denies. >> i spoke to allen about it. >> reporter: weiselberg figures prominently in the secret recording cohen released last month of a conversation he had with trump two months be every the 2016 presidential election

to former playboy model karen mcdougal. >> i spoke to allen weiselberg how to set the whole thing up with funding. >> reporter: another person mentioned on that tape, national enquirer chief david pecker. a long-time friend of trump's, who also received an up mient deal. according to "wall street journal," he told prosecutors trump was aware of the deals at the time despite claiming to know nothing about them. making matters worse the "new york times" reports the manhattan district attorney's office is considering pursuing criminal charges against the trump organization and two senior executives, in connection to cohen's payment to porn star stormy danielss. trump made it clear what he thought about immunity deems during the combine. >> and if are you not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for? >> reporter: athena jones, new york. >> cnn exclusively obtained a

copy of an agreement signed by american media, the parent company national enquirer and a former doorman. he told cnn he has knowledge of a relationship he once had with a former house keeptary resulted in a child. an attorney for dino sajudif him it states ami had exclusive rights to sajudin's story. sources shall provide ami with information rargd donald trump's illegitimate trial. in april, when the doorman told cnn he had knowledge of the relationship, ami called sajudin's story not credible and denied any connection to michael tru donald trump and michael cohen.

the allegations have not been confirmed by any outlet that has investigated that story. . heart felt messages are pouring in from across the political spectrum as the family of the u.s. senator john mccain better known as the maverick. as he said he is discontinuing treatment for pran cancer. the sixth term senator was diagnosed with an aggressive form of the disease. john mccain has been in washington, d.c. since december. last year, senator mccain appeared on cnn's state of the union. he spoke with my colleague jake tapper when he asked about legacy. listen. >> my last question for you. i hope i don't run this clip for another 50 years. but how do you want the american people to remember you? >> he served his country and not always right, made a lot of mistakes, made a lot of errors, but served his country and i hope we could add honorably.

>> i think we can say honorably. senator, john mccain, it's always great to have you here. do thought be a stranger. it's great to see you. >> the 81-year-old senator has represented arizona since 1987. he ran against former president barack obama as the republican candidate in a 2008 presidential election. he has been a frequent critic of the current president donald trump. mccain is also a respected military veteran a hero during his 20-year career in the navy, he was shot down over north vietnam and was held as a prisoner of war for more than five years. let's talk more about this with energy parmar. live with us. a pleasure to have you here on the show. >> thank you. >> first of all, let's talk about senator john mccain. the world certainly knows his

story and now we are hearing news that he will discontinue his trem for cancer. >> no, it's likely that senator mccain has a strong reputation right across the spectrum if you like in terms of parties, leadership of the parties. he is also a controversial character, too. for example, in supporting the iraq war, a hawkish stances that he's taken with regard to the u.s. in the middle east and so on. therefore, he is seen in a critical light as well. now he's in this serious medical position and is not taking medical treatment, it suggests that he has reconciled that his life is limited and he enables physically with a view to may

probably have an impact on the outcomes there. >> inerjeet. allen weiselberg, knows where the trump business world monies went and go, how sick in is it now he has immunity and is presumably working with investigators? >> i think it's very significant. for a lot of the others, if you like, they were involved, but to some extent, compared to weiselberg, they were on the periphery, but weiselberg has been in the trump organization for many decades. he's the cfo of the trump organization. he was a treasurer of the trump foundation. he's one of the two trustees remaining of the trump business since president trump got elected. so if he doesn't know about the financial tax banking political and other connections transactions of the organization, nobody else does. this is very significant because it could well be that the

immunity is going to be exercised in a way, which would enable many of the finances of the trump administration to come to light and particularly his tax affairs. as we know his tax return versus not all been released. it's quite likely there will be new information coming along and if, for example, as the trump foundation is in new york, registered in new york and there are issues that come out of that investigation, it could well be weiselberg will appear in a new york court which is, therefore, exempt from a presidential pardon. i think that could really open up trump no a serious legal position. >> inerjeet briefly, i want to focus on this back and forth, this u.s. president and jeff sessions and we are hearing from senator lindsey graham. we heard from him a day or so ago saying there could be a

change of the guard after the mid-term. i want you to listen to lindsey graham a day or so ago compared to what he said a year ago. let's listen. >> if jeff sessions is fired, there will be holy hell to pay. any effort to go after mueller could be the beginning of the ends of the presidency unless mueller did something wrong. clearly, attorney general sessions doesn't have the presence, that's an important office in the country and after the election i think there will be some serious discussions about a new attorney general. >> what a difference a year makes inerjeet, what do you make of this apparent softening of lindsey graham and others? >> i have to say when i first came across that, i find i found it confusing. i still do. it does seem to me jeff sessions

who recuse himself from the investigations quite likely i think quite robustly defended the department of justice against political prosecutions against president trump. in that regard, attorney general jeff sessions actually stood up and defendanted his constitutional position and, therefore, senator graham and one or two others to talk openly about his replacement after the mid-terms suggests a number of different things. it could well be they want to get rid of him, which would open up president trump to a very, very serious political situation because replacing attorney general sessions would in the short run at least mean rod rosenstein becomes the attorney general and rod rosenstein has been the one directly in charge of the russia investigations and robert mueller. so i can't quite see where this is heading other than a much more serious position for the

president, himself. >> inerjeet parmar, thank you for your perspective. we'll stay in touch with you. ahead a major storm, volcanic eruption and now this, take a look at this video in the u.s. state of hawaii. why tropical storm lane isn't the only one facing that. in dublin, ireland, cnn is live there following events. stay with

. it's no longer a hurricane, but for many in half that doesn't matter. take a look at the scene here. heavy rain triggered floods and landslides. >> that island certainly got a lot of rain and water. maui harn been hit as hard. but it has problems of its own. on friday, officials said brush fires damaged or destroyed several homes. it's not known what caused those fires. let's talk more about aunl of this now with our ivan cabrera. >> you think that area seeing the heavy rain and the very strong winds that came in, that aloud for fires to come in. it is raining in many places in hawaii. let's talk about this tropical storm now. george mentioned it is a weaker storm. the problem is you will be able see here the strongest winds have come in from the south and

west and have blown the thunderstorm activity to the north and east. the problem is that's where the islanding are. some of the bands can contain those kind of winds. the big story will continue to be the rainfall. we have numerous reports of people stranded in their homes, along with watermain breaks. it's amess. it continues to be that way. this is a six hour loop since i have been here. flash flood warnings for the entire island. can you imagine that? that is what is happening. maui not out of the woods, not so much for honolulu. and also the wind will not be a big deal. this is. look at 42.8 inches of rainfall. what does that do? it makes at this time second highest total from a tropical system forever in hawaii. we will beat the record from 1950. look at this, additional, 7, 8

inches of rainfall over the next 36 to 48 hours. oahu not as bad. the track of the storm will move away from hawaii, which we need desperately. we were stationary all night. now it's 3 miles an hour. so it's walking to the west. hopefully it will through the week. until that happens, heavy rains and that flooding threat will continue for the big island and the rest of the archipelago. >> all right. we are monitoring events in ireland. you are seeing live images of the pope landing in dublin, ireland, cnn right back after the break as we are following this story. at at&t innovations, we give you more for your thing. here we're adding tv and movies from our unlimited plan to the powerful new samsung galaxy note9. the perfect device for entertainment & productivity. so, it's essentially the ed helms of devices? how so?

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live coast to coast around the united states and to our seauers, welcome. i'm george howell with the headlines we are following for you this hour the scene in the u.s. state of hawaii. take a look at that, all of the rushing water from hurricane lane, it's been downgraded to a tropical storm and is no longer on the move. it's moving slowly. it stalled just south of the hawaiian islands soak heavy rains. the storm triggered landslides and floods on the big island. the family of john mccain said an aggressive form of the disease was discovered last year the 81-year-old is now at home. he has not been in washington since december. u.s. president donald trump has postponed his top diplomat's trip to north korea one day

after announcing it, mr. trump saying he canceled mike pompeo's trip because north korea's slow progress in de-nuclearization isn't enough. the top accountant has been granted immunity. the chief financial officer allen weiselberg, presumably, can explain how hush money was paid to two women who had alleged affairs with mr. trump before he was president of the united states. a story we are following live, pope francis landed in dublin, ireland. we want to show you the live images if we have them. this is the scene in dub len. you see the pope's plane that arrived there, we are waiting to see as he eventually sets foot in dublin. it is the first pap am visit in 40 years. he will find celebration and anger, celebration at the world

meeting of families. he is set to speak there on saturday evening, but there is anger, over decades of sexual abuse and coverups at the hands of catholic priests and church leaders, especially after the report coming out of the u.s. state of pennsylvania that reignited that controversy. the pope is set to speak with victims of abuse. the stops will include dublin chasm, a homeless chasm, st. mary's probe cathedral an a celebration in dublin. sunday includes an open air mass in dublin's park. let's talk about this with our junior analyst john allen. the editor of the independent news site crooks. john, we are waiting to see the pope set foot in ireland. again, let's set the context here in ireland, given this reignition into the scandal that seems to playing the catholic

church, the feeling there in ireland, among many people will be raw. >> reporter: yeah, that's absolutely right, george. as you mentioned, the pope is coming to cap off a world meeting of families, catholic families from all over the world, which has been going on all week. there will be real enthusiasm. real jo i to greet the pope. but we should make no mistake, there is no denial. there is no indifference to the fact that the pope is coming to a country that has been deeply scarred by the catholic church's cleric am sexual abuse scandals and in the context as you rightly say, those scandals being reignited by recent revelations which are not just about that blistering grand jury report from pennsylvania, that identified more than 300 predator priests and more than 1,000 child victims over a seven, eight year period. everyone believes it's the tip

of the iceberg. everyone believes it's the excleric and horrific revelations rolling out of chile, that has produced the most massive cleric am sex abuse scandal since ireland. so in the context of all of that, george, there is a real expectation pope francis has to tackle this head on during his 32 hours in this country. not just in terms of delivering apologies or reassurances, but something concrete that would indicate to people that after decades of these scandals that finally action is going to be taken to ensure that it doesn't happen again. >> john allen, stands by with us. i want to now bring in our d'elidelia gallagher ger /*, i want to ask you the same question, again on that plane, knowing exactly what

the pope is about to encounter, the feelings here in dublin, ireland, throughout that country, what is the mood on the plane? >> reporter: well, george, i can tell you that the pope did come back to say hello to the journalists. that's something he does on every trip. he did not mention the sex abuse scandal. he did say that he was happy to be going back to ireland after 38 years. he studied here for a few months as a priest. but he made no mention on the plane. >> that could you tell be fairly standard. it's a five-minute greeting to journalists. he outlines the expectation that he will face something here in ireland. he will give six speeches. so there will be plenty of opportunity for him to say something the larger question is whether what he says will be enough and we have been hearing

from people, george, they want action and the question is going to be how can the pope show that, indeed the vatican is being transparent, is holding districtskable and trying to make sure this is something that they have a good grasp on. and that is a tall order for pope francis to be able to show but it has been 16 years the t vatican happen grappling. finally they will have concrete measures here in ireland this week, george. >> for our viewers around the world, we are following this story from top to bottom. our delia gallagher is stepping off the plane into dublin, ireland, we have john allen, a

senior vatican analyst, d'elia touched on this, the pope will have several opportunities certainly to speak about this subject that again has been a true controversy to say the least in ireland dating back decades, so what is the expectation as we do know the pope will likely meet with victims of abuse poo? >> reporter: well, the vatican confirmed that meeting will take place. popes have met in the past. the first a pope met with survivors of cleric am sexual abuse was benedict xvi in the united states in 2008. butpy read, george, or the mood in the street here is that they are not -- the irish, that, are not interested in simply hearing repetitions of what has been

said in the past, apologies, acknowledgments, reassurances that things are going to change him i think they want something or of that. the national seminary here in ireland had a piece in one of the irish newspapers this morning where i think he put his finger on what people want to hear, which is, he said, the real test is going to be whether pope francis is able and will be to have clergy submit sexual abuse in the minor on bishops guilty of the coverup of that crime. i think that's a long time the real frustration the church has strongkably for clergy who abuse, but does not have the equivalent for officials who turn a blind eye, don't report it. examples of that kind of thing

are legion. until that accountably gap is filled, my read would be that people here and in other parts of the world simply are fought going to be satisfied. >> what we are seeing is john allen stand by. our delia gallagher as we explain to view wears we are seeing. the red carpet rolled out in dublin, ireland, will this be the proverbial elephant in the room? will he put forward concrete steps as people seem to be demanding there in dublin around this controversy of sexual abuse by priests? i do want to remind our viewers of what the vatican has said on this issue, if we could pull this forward as we await the pope stepping out, very quickly, just to read this, the pontiff wrote, we showed no care for the little ones. we abandoned them in response to this damming report from a

pennsylvania grand jury detailing decades of widespread abuse and coverup. >> that spreads the cone of what we are about to see. again, our delia gallagher on the phone on the plane. as the pope prepares to step out, again, is there an expectation surely that he will somehow talk about this? >> reporter: george, i'm having a hard time hearing you because i'm just deplaneing, myself. i will say this, this is a really pivotal trip for the pope and for the catholic church. it's one that even up until a month ago, we didn't realize would be so important precisely because we have this wave of the united states of sex abuse and coverup. it's almost some kind of sin

chronnistic or providencetial ship that this is happening in i'll a country that is a stalwart catholic country that also suffered its own sex abuse crisis in some way is representing the universal church as they say, representing the other churches as well in this crisis. and so, what the pope says here is hard to kind of overstill the importance of how this trip goes. not just in what he says. it's not about words necessarily of which he did write the letter. people have heard the sorrys coming from the vatican, okay, meeting with victims is essential. but we keep hearing about the action that needs to be done. john laid out a few of those points on accountability for bishops. that's really what i think people are going to want to hear from the pope. what are the stats?

what's being done? and that can help, but there has been huge damage done to the trust and credible of bishops. and even if there is some system in place for it, people are going to ask, who is going to investigate the bishop? is the brought bishop going to investigate a brother bishop? how is this going to work? are or grand juries going to have to come in and start investigating. >> delia gallagher just deplaned. we are watching as pope francis steps off the plane into dublin, ireland the question, how does he take on this controversy that is certainly in the air? our senior vatican analyst john allen joins me also live following this story in dublin. john, let's talk about the context of this papal visit quite honest will i the first in decades? >> reporter: that's right the last time a pope was in ireland

was 1917 when poppe pope john paul ii, now st. paul ii visited here. you talk to anyone in ireland, they will tell you that i are a vastly different country than 40 years ago when john paul came here. in 1979, virtually everyone in ireland went to sunday mass. you know, divorce was illegal. abortion was illegal. you had to get a doctor's note to get contraception. the whole lbgt issue wasn't on the radar skroovenl today, ireland has legalized gay marriage, contraception is legal. mass attendance rates are down. it is in many ways a secular nation now analogous to other western european nations. now, that itself not to say the catholic church doesn't remain an enormously institution here, certainly climate is very different. yawed to that the impact of

probably the world most intense cleric am sexual abuse scandal. this is a quick trip. it's 32 hours, but the chances faces pope francis are enormous. in many ways, i believe this is one of the highest stakes trips pope francis has taken today, george. >> let's reset for our viewers in the united states and around the world just joining us. you are seeing pope francis in dublin, ireland. he stepped off the plane. this very important trip. the first paper am visit to ireland in decades and there are several things that the pope will certainly face as he encounters people throughout ireland. one is the changing attitude john allen just explained, changing attitude towards the catholic church. you will remember the most

recent vote there in ireland on abortion. a vote that certainly set the tone for how many of that nation feel about the catholic church and now. in light of this recent scandal coming out of the u.s. state of pennsylvania that details this report of sexual abuse at the hands of priests and coverups, pope francis refers to what we referred to a moment ago, as possibly an emfant in the room. does he address it directly? we do know he will meet with victims of abuse. what we are hearing from many people there, is they want more. they want the people to actually talk about what he would do to make sure these things don't happen again beyond what they've heard before. we also have our delia gallagher on the plane, has deplaned and is on the phone with us now. d'elia, you are watching the pope as he steps into his vehicle there. tell us the mood, from what you

are hearing, you have been on the ground a short time, but what's the sense? >> reporter: well, george, this is kinds of a sort of a soft area. there is not a lot of crowd here. i don't know if you can tell from the pick. sometimes the pope arrives, he has big fans and what they call an official welcome. he is not doing that here. he will meet the deposit authority. so right here, we've just got security and airport officials. but i want to go back, george and if anyone can do it, frances can. if anybody can, the bad feeling of anger and so on and connect with people, it is this trep. i soon it on other trips. he does have the ability to check with people. he's a very popular pope. but the has happened in terms of

accountability. so the trick yes part, perhaps expectation is wrong, if there is anything else he can say should seem to be on top of the situation with respect to his own bishop. i think that and what he's going to say here in ireland is obviously not pertaining to ireland. it's going to be looked at throughout the world, particularly in the united states as they are going to their own second wave of this crisis and dealing with bishop's accountability. so it's vital that the pope being seen to be in full command and in full communication, frankly, with the u.s. bishops at least for the american portion of it. and we'll have to see, sometimes these trips are a surprise, george. sometimes he goes off the cuff when he speaks and he can

connect with people and so we won't make any skwums rigjudgme now. he will have to address it. can you call it the elephant in the room. he is here for the celebration of the family. there will be other topics aside. what he says is going to be vital. >> the reporting of our delia gallagher, who stepped off the plane in dublin. thank you. and thank you to our senior analyst john allen, stand by, both of you. of course, we are watching right now as the pope leaves the airplane and prepares for his two-day trip in ireland and again this is pope who has been outspoken about immigration and the poor and young people, bringing more back into the church. it time in ireland will surely be a test as our delia gallagher

pointed out, will he be able continue that mission to bring more people into the church, amid this controversy playing the catholic church. you are watching c this n "newsroom" live. we'll be right back after the break. can be relentless.

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darren mcgavin on the grounds of this church when he was a child. >> he put me over the table. he had the ropes from the vestments. he tied me hands to me legs over the table and began to rape me. >> reporter: from the age of 7, darren was abused several times a week for more than four years by tony welch, one of ireland's most notorious pedophile priests. >> on one occasion i was raped with a crucifix. >> reporter: welch destroyed darren's life the years sense have been consumed by trauma and mental illness. >> reporter: how old are you? >> i'm 46 years of age. i have been medicated since i was 12 years of age, so, when is it all going to stop? when is it going to stop? i don't know.

>> reporter: this is one victim's story in a country deeply wounded by the horrific legacy of priests abusing vast numbers of children and often getting away with it? it will be the defining issue of pope francis during his visit to once proudly catholic ireland. >> do this in memory of me. >> reporter: where many churches are now largely empty, where the institution is struggling for purpose and credibility. >> i went into the hospital when i was 12, just turned 13, i was sexually assaulted by the catholic chaplain. >> reporter: after decades of recovering, mary collins has become a powerful voice. last year she walked away from a vatican panel advising pope francis because nothing changed. she wasn't satisfied with his recent written apology. >> we wrote the pope a strong letter, a lot is good. unfortunately, he says we are

working on a way to whoel hold people accountable. we're decades on, you can't still be working on it. >> reporter: darren mcgavin wanted to show us another painful locate, in phoenix park, where pope francis will say mass. >> he laid me down in the gully. >> reporter: another place he was raped by the priest that he once trusted. >> he didn't even say sorry. >> reporter: darren and other victims say apologies are important. but from the pope, they also want firm policies to ensure no one suffers like this again. phil black, cnn, dublin there again, pope francis is in ireland this hour. we will continue to follow the story, of course, thank you for being with us for this hour from cnn "newsroom." for our viewers in the united states, "new day" is next.

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