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bring you more of the official tributes to senator mccain. i'll be back tomorrow morning 8:00 a.m. eastern for our special coverage of the funeral service of john mccain at the washington national cathedral. that would include eulogies from former presidents george w. bush and barack obama. erin burnett "outpru d"outfront right now. outfront a key witness admitting he helped funnel an operation. tonight he's now cooperating with robert mueller. a top official said he had trump, quote, over a barrel. calls to impeach. will democrats listen? let's go "outfront." >> i'm jim sciutto in for erin
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burnett. long-time lobbyist samuel patton in court for failing to register as a foreign agent and he helped funnel foreign money to the trump i inauguration. today they called the indictment irrelevant. >> what does this have to do with president trump? not a single thing. it doesn't have to do with collusion. >> he joins a growing list of people from trump's orbit that have reached a deal with prosecutors. these are real investigations resulting in real charges. yet trump's legal team is working overtime to try to discredit robert mueller's investigation. cnn learning tonight that rudy giuliani is now crafting a report which will attempt to
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rebut mueller's potential findings. an investigation that the president already calls illegal as well as this. >> look, i say it, i say it again, that whole situation is a rigged witch hunt. it's a totally rigged deal. >> a democrat-inspired witch hunt. >> the repeated attacks and threats by this president do not seem to be working with most americans, according to a new "washington post" abc poll. 63% of americans now support robert mueller's investigation. about 29% oppose the poll. evan, what more are we learning about this plea deal from patton, not only what he pled guilty to but also his cooperation? >> that's right, jim. as part of his plea agreement with the u.s. attorney's office here in washington, he's agreeing to cooperate with prosecutors, and so that includes not only any
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investigation that may still be ongoing here at the u.s. attorney's office in washington, but also potentially anything that robert mueller's office, the special counsel robert mueller, is still working on. keep in mind this was a case that began with mueller and was referred over to the u.s. attorney's office. what samuel patton pleaded guilty to today was that he simply failed to register as a foreign agent. but really, the importance of this case is that this is the first time we're seeing that someone is admitting to helping russians and ukranians, essentially, funnel money into the trump inauguration. we know from our previous reporting, jim, that prosecutors and the fbi have been -- have talked to russian oligarchs when they enter the united states. they questioned them about any donations they made to the trump campaign, any donations they made to the inauguration, but this is the first time we're seeing this in a court document,
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in a guilty plea that samuel patton agreed to today. >> just a quick clarification here. is a donation to the inauguration, is that the equivalent of the donation to a campaign from a foreigner? >> it is illegal for a foreigner to donate to the inauguration. and that is what he admitted to doing today. >> so now rudy giuliani planning to do, apparently, a counterreport on a report from mueller that, of course, we haven't seen yet. >> right, exactly. we call this a prebuttal, perhaps. rudy giuliani told dana bash today that he is here in washington, in fact, working on their report. look, this is a report that's going to cover the field, everything from collusion to the firing of michael flynn to the obstruction of justice allegations that we know special counsel robert mueller is working on. as you know, the special counsel is still working on his investigation, there are still witnesses that are coming in for interviews, for grand jury testimony, as a matter of fact,
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in the next couple of weeks, but the president's legal team is not waiting to see the report. they are preparing their rebuttal and they say whatever mu -- whenever mueller produces his report, they're not sure when it's going to be, but they want to be sure they're ready with their side of the story for the robert mueller investigation. >> perhaps equal parts documents. >> absolutely. >> julie hirschfeld davis. julie, if i can start with you, rudy giuliani working on this report, this pre-buttal, as it were, even though we don't know what mueller's conclusions are going to be. this is a pr document which appears to be trump's continuing strategy, but this poll we see today with most americans continuing to support the investigation, it seems that strategy is not working for most
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americans. >> i think that's true right now, but it is also the case that other than the president's tweets and some of his offhanded comments and what rudy giuliani has been saying on the news, we don't know the full extent of what they're going to say to rebut what mueller may or may not have. as you said earlier, this is as much a pr as it is a legal or substantive effort, because they don't know what mueller is going to say, they don't know the substance of what he has. they don't know what's coming from the special counsel's office, and they are obviously looking for the potential of an impeachment proceeding, and not just hoping to persuade the public but persuade members of congress that there is nothing here. >> frank, the bad numbers for the in the this poll, 53% to 35. 53% believe trump has tried to interfere with mueller's investigation in a way that amounts to obstruction of
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justice. notable there. and let me just remind folks of something the president said last night. >> our justice department and our fbi have to start doing their job and doing it right and doing it now. because people are angry. people are angry. what's happening is a disgrace. and at some point, i wanted to stay out, but at some point if it doesn't straighten out properly, i want them to do their job. i'll get involved and get in there if i have to. >> 53% of americans believe he's obstructing justice. that certainly doesn't help his case. >> no. maybe they're seeing clips like that and maybe they're reading his twitter feed. this has been an endless drumbeat, and i think his theory is if i say it over and over
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again, americans will again to repeat almost like a mantra what i'm saying. i think americans are figuring out that drumbeat in itself is obstruction of justice. he talks about firing jeff sessions, he talks about this, he talks about that. all of those attempts add up to making something stop and the majority of americans need to go on. the possibility of russian interference. i do think a majority of americans understand that's what miller's is all about. shin, you have a lot of experience with cases like this, but the giuliani document, is this a good use of the lawyer's time in terms of a legal defense, or do you see this purely as a public relations defense? >> ultimately it's a good legal
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defense because they would have the chance to counter whatever is in the report. when i worked on an independent council investigation, it took months and months to say prepare that report. then people took their time putting in comments and suggestions. he said it's done, it's more like half baked. he has no idea what he's responding to. if they really are putting in hundreds of man hours, there is setting up the straw man and trying to knock it down. it's really not rudy. irrelevant document. and i imagine for folks at. there this does get to foreign
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money coming into the trump inauguration, which is the equivale equivalent. >> it certainly fills out a little bit of people around senator trump or candidate trump or the luck campaign that they had these conclusions. a russian lobbyist who was outside the trump tower meeting. you start seeing these ties becoming more apparent. it certainly does raise a lot more questions and it shows that the mueller probe is going a lot of different directions, and again, how much he and his investigators know that the preside president.
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a and. folks that were. at least it seemed they were involved in some money-moovlg fak and bort. how worried is the president and are his advisers about that cooperation? because, of course, they don't know what kind of goods they're given on that. >> the way donald trump is speaking through his microphone, we've gone through a conspiracy. the news today is robert mueller's investigation, and every time we see development, we see this. if there is something there that's going to be found, it will be found, and that's what's really settled into this white
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house and that's what they're reacting to. >> if anybody tunes it out, it's robert mueller. that's the way he does business. uf you have a lawyer change for the defendant. we now have consideration of don mcgahn to come into this position. we know there were days with mcgahn that weren't sunny. does number want that job? >> i'm sure somebody wants the job, but you're right, it helps tackling to turn things around. one of the big thing in trump's legal strategy, todd o'dowd to concentrate, but they didn't
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have trump sit down early. with giuliani's more confrontation strategy, he's just creating more and more things more and more wildly in consistent estimates. it's not an excuse to say, it's. "outfront" next, a russian official says the russian intel said they had trump, quote, over a barrel. and live pictures as the nation says goodbye to an american hero. i'll speak to one of john mccain's closest friends who has been with the family throughout this, about the outpouring of
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tonight, russian intelligence believe they had donald trump, quote, over a barrel during the 2016 campaign. that's what long-time justice correspondent bruce ohr testified that he learned that from the christopher steele trump dossier. a growing attack on trump
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lobbymakers. general michael hayden under george w. bush is here tonight. general, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> the russians say they had him over a barrel. what do you make of that? >> we need to step back and follow the bouncing ball here. bruce ohr reports this. he was told that by chris steele. it looks as if chris steele was told that by sources he had who believe they had information on what russian intelligence had or believed. so you have a multi here, but it is a talking point. the steele dossier, we would have labeled it, this is raw information, not finely
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evaluated intelligence, so we would have used a statement like that as a departure point of our investigation, not the end point. >> and that's the evidence here, right, because as we know, the russian investigation began despite what russian reporters said. big picture here. the dossier's central claim, right, was in effect this, that the russians had trump over a barrel because of years of financial support, et cetera. and the fact is, in the nearly two years since we learned about this, there's been evidence, at least, of contacts, there's been evidence of meetings, some of which were lied about, et cetera, including the trump tower meeting. based on what you've seen, and again, i know you're not in the cia today so you're not seeing the actual intelligence, but as an intelligence professional, have you seen evidence that makes that a credible allegation? >> credible, yes, in terms of working hypothesis, not something you would dismiss, something that deserves the kind
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of thorough investigation that frank rooney said we're getting with director mueller. it just goes on. jim, instinctively now, it looks like there's more "there" there than when mr. mueller launched this investigation. this is proceeding on a very broad front with multiple threats. >> and we won't know until he comes up with his final report. bruce ohr, a justice official who happens to be an expert on organized crime. now, one pattern the president follows in his attacks is often going after people who might be a witness against him. james comey was in the room when the president asked him to go lightly on michael flynn, for instance. with bruce ohr, do you see him potentially being in this pattern, the motivation for
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attacking him is to undermine his credibility? >> absolutely. and i don't know mr. ohr, but in anticipation of our conversation tonight, i kind of sent a note out to folks i know who might know him, and the description i got back of him was competent, thorough and honest, which is frankly about everybody i've ever met in the department of justice. what you've got is the president, in essence, attacking anyone who is affiliated with the investigation either under director mueller or the intelligence investigation with regard to russian meelddling. jim, look, the way i look at it, with the president to be correct with ohr and everyone else, we have to have everyone affiliated with this investigation, to be hopelessly corrupt, to be clever over a very long period of time and had to have begun this episode even prior to the
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american election. and with men and women in government doing this, they had to have the cooperation of cnn, the "new york times" and the "washington post." that's kind of hard to believe. >> let me ask you this before i let you go. we're talking about russian interference in the 2016 election. there had been signs with folks in 2018 and maybe 2020 as well. from your seat, is this president, is this administration doing enough to prevent it from happening all over again? >> no. and that doesn't mean that dan coates and gina haspel aren't doing their job. the russians succeeded because everyone was just playing tradition
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traditional. and these big organizations don't change that pattern unless they have presidential and, actu. >> general hayden, thank you very much. >> thank you. why cries for impeachment could get louder and more real. i'll speak to john mccain's close friend as america remembers the maverick. >> this is one of the bravest souls our nation has ever produced. if you have moderate to severe
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new tonight, president trump hitting an all-time high for disapproval. the new abc news "washington post" poll revealing that 60% of americans today disapprove of the job he's doing as president. that is four points up since their last poll in april. nearly half of all americans are in favor of impeachment proceedings, though a much thinner margin there, 49% to 46% opposed.
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rick santorum as well as former white house communications director for president obama, jen saki. senator, if i could start with you, trump told bloomberg news yesterday, quote, i don't think they can impeach someone who is doing a great job. the fact is you look at the polls there, most americans do not believe he's doing a great job. but that point aside, they also support, or at least a plurality supports impeachment and a greater number supports the work of robert mueller. >> first off, yeah, that's a high number, but the same day there was another poll out that had the disapproval at 50. the polls range somewhere in the mid-50s and somewhere in the mid-40s for job approval. the bottom line is the vast majority of republicans still support the president, and obviously the vast majority of democrats don't, and that just shows a very divided country. when it comes to impeachment,
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impeachment doesn't happen unless there is a consensus. richard nixon wasn't forced out of office until there was a consensus among republicans that he had to go, and we're not anywhere near that at this point. >> jen? what's your answer? >> look, i think that's true at this point in time, but the mueller investigation is not concluded. when that is concluded, and if there is a finding about obstruction of justice or collusion with russia, we're in an entirely different universe. look what happened just in reaction at least with some of the public perceptions to the recent manafort ruling just a few weeks ago. we don't know what the tipping point will be, but people are starting to pay more attention. in that same poll, it also showed that 50% of respondents thought that corruption had increased. only 13% had thought it had decreased. so people are paying attention to the corruption and what's happening in washington and government right now, and that's not good news for donald trump or any republicans around the ballot. >> i don't think it's good news for anybody, jen, that's the
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problem. people feel like corruption and all this rancor that we see here in washington, d.c. is poisonous for both. we have competing narratives now going on as to what the investigation should be about. if you look back in the clinton days or the nixon days when impeachment was being talked about, you didn't have this kind of really big bunker mentality that you see here where the other side, the folks -- the president who is under attack has really an alternative narrative about what the corruption is and what's being investigated. there is a lot of distrust on both sides about this process. >> jen, on the issue of impeachment, the irony, of course, the gop-led impeachment of bill clinton backfired, in effect, politically on them, made bill clinton more popular, arguably. do the democrats risk the same if -- let's say they do win back the house going forward. do they risk the same leading
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into 2020? >> right now they certainly risk an awakening in getting the trump base out if they continue talking about impeachment. it's only being talked about by a certain wing of the party. pe pelosi, shchumer and others are trying to tamp that down. i think it matters how it weighs in the investigation. the "washington post" poll had two-third of the slirps, then i think it's a different ball game. it won't be just democrats but republicans who think he won't be fit for office. i think there will be a lot of republicans under pressure to move forward with impeachment. >> i just don't agree with that. i think mueller has discredited himself simply by the team he put together, the fact he has such a partisan team in place of
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folks who -- you don't see any republicans in his team that are showing any kind of -- >> except robert mueller. >> senator, he was welcome to cross the board by republicans when he was assigned. he was appointed by multiple republican -- you were in the minority. >> i understand that, but i'm just saying wait he has conducted this investigation, the people he has aligned himself with, if mueller wanted to get republican support out of this, he would have had a much more balanced inquiry. i think that we are not going to see, even if mueller comes out with some sort of report saying the president did something wrong, i just don't think you're going to be seeing people jump ship from the president. >> mueller has put a lot of people in jail, as you know. very thorough. you're saying if mueller says he has evidence of crimes, and by the way, the president's lawyer
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just pleaded guilty to campaign-related crimes. you're saying if mueller documented these other cases and got plea agreements, et cetera, you're saying republicans won't accept that judgment? >> it all depends on what the crime is. if he uncovered some grand scheme of colluding with the russians, sure, that's one thing. but if it's he paid someone to silence a violation, that's not going to help the president. >> you just said silencing a porn star is not something that would concern a lot of republicans. >> there's other reasons to do that than for an election. there just isn't a smoking gun so far that i've seen, donald trump did something illegal in cooperation with the russians and everybody.
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>> ultimately republicans, when this is concluded, are going to have to decide, do they want to put pumpkin before party. >> it depend on the weight of the charge, and right now i don't see it with republicans. "outfront," live pictures as senator john mccain lies in state at the capitol. one of the family friends throughout will be my guest. plus a queen-studded farewell. are we there yet? you don't always use your smartphone for directions... hey guys, up there. ...or to laugh out loud.
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you're looking at live pictures now of the u.s. capitol where mourners are still paying their respects to senator john mccain. this is a very rare honor.
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he's only the 31st american to lie in state in the u.s. capitol. earlier family friends and colleagues gathered to honor the senator in ceremony under the rotunda there. among them house speaker paul ryan. >> john mccain deserves to be remembered as he wished to be remembered. a patriot who served his country. a man, yes, of the senate, but also a man of the house. a navy man, a family man. a man who made an enormous difference in the lives of countless people. a man of conviction. a man of state. >> "outfront" now is grant woods. he was senator mccain's first congressional chief of staff. he spoke at yesterday's service. he's been with the family for much of the week, knows them
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well. senator graham, thank you for being with us now. let me offer my condolences for the loss of your good friend. >> thank you. >> we saw cindy mccain come up to you yesterday and give you a big hug. she's shown tremendous restraint through his illness and now his passing. how is the family holding up? >> i think they're holding up really well, jim. this is a tremendous family, outstanding people, great character, and i have to say cindy and i are exactly the same age, you know, within one day of each other. we've been through this from day one of john's political career. and i've never been prouder of her than this last year. the way she has just been such the perfect provider, the perfect person to make sure everything that john needed he
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got. she was by his side 24 hours a day the entire time. she's been fantastic, and right now, as tough as this is, she's pretty strong. she's pretty strong. >> i don't know that a lot of our viewers know that senator mccain's mother, roberta, is still alive. 106 years old and one of the most emotional moments today was seeing her by her son's casket. the senator, his mother, they had a very special relationship. >> well, first, look at her right there. she's a beautiful woman. 106 years old. that's pretty incredible. i would say this. if you spent five minutes with her and then said, guess whose mother she is, you would guess it in a minute. you would say john mccain, because they're very similar in so many ways. she told me a long, long time ago when i was talking about something, she said, don't worry about that. we're navy tough. and that's how she looked at it.
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she's navy tough, and she always has been. she's resolute and she's quite the character. very independent. i don't know if you know the story that she was -- not that long ago i think she was 100 years old, something like that. she was traveling europe by herself with a friend -- how many people do that at that age -- and she wanted to rent a car and they wouldn't let her because she was too old, and she said, okay, i'll buy it. who does that? >> another maverick. >> absolutely. >> there was another moment a lot of us noticed. at the very moment the senator's casket was being carried up the steps there by the underguard, as you can see, a down popour started. you were watching this. i have to wonder what went through your mind at that moment. >> what went through my mind was a big pool of reporters was outside, and i think john, just for one last joke, said, let's
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just douse these guys. i think he might have had something to do with that, you know. i don't know, it's -- i don't know that everything is a coincidence. maybe it is, but then again, maybe it's not. that was a moment, wasn't it? >> right at that second. then it went away. so i don't know what it means. someday i guess we'll know. >> the senator was very involved in planning these ceremonies, the locations, speakers, the messages, and i just wonder what you think the message was that he wanted to get across through all this. >> well, i think the message -- i think you're right, it's very purposeful. and a lot of people would think about doing it but thi wouldneyt do it. they would say, forget that, i'm not going that way. it might be nice, but no. he did it. what was nice, in phoenix look who was on the stage. one of the leaders of what had been a pretty liberal hispanic
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organization, an african-american young athlete and joe biden, democratic vice president of the united states. and here in washington tomorrow, who are we going to see? we're going to see the two men who stopped him from being president. what's the message? the message is we're all americans here. we're in the fight. and nobody fought harder than george w. bush versus john mccain, or barack obama versus john mccain. they fought it out. and someone won, someone didn't win. but the guy who didn't win, what he did is the next day, he picked himself up and he said, how can i help? let's work together. because at the end of the day, as we see, it doesn't matter -- look at that line there. are those republicans or are those democrats? i don't know what they are. i tell you what i do know, they're americans. and they're proud americans because they knew a man such as john mccain. >> it's a good point, it's an important point. listen, it's the second time i got a chance to talk to you this
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week. thanks a lot for joining us and sharing your thoughts and your feelings. >> thanks for having me, jim. tomorrow we'll have senator mccain's funeral. this will be at the national cathedral in washington, d.c. and our special coverage begins at 8:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. and "outfront," a special epic to the queen of soul. ♪ you make me feel like a natural woman ♪ let your perfect drive come together during the final days of the lincoln summer invitation event get 0% apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus one thousand dollars bonus cash. your hair is so soft! did you use head and shoulders two in one?
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robinson, civil rights leaders, and politicians all turning out to pay their respects. >> so i start it off as a groupie. i hope god will forgive me, but i was so glad when i got here, and i hope you will forgive me. when the casket was still open because i said i wonder what my friend's got on today. >> celebrate aretha! >> reporter: and the city of detroit turning out in force to pay their respects to outside the greater grace temple, hundreds waited overnight for a chance to get into the funeral. inside the temple, a star stud celebration of her music. ♪ you make me feel like a natural woman ♪ >> her family remembering the woman they lost. >> nothing sounded better to me than the way my grandma sings, her voice made you feel
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something. >> reporter: former president bill clinton sharing a moment from her last public performance when she was ill. >> she's sitting there, obviously desperately ill, gaunt. she stood right up and said, "how you doing, baby?" i said well, i'm doing -- i'm doing better now. and she said, well, look at me. i finally got thin again. that took a lot of guts to say that. >> reporter: others hitting the high notes in her honor. jennifer hudson -- ♪ amazing grace >> reporter: and civil rights leaders recalling her commitment to the movement. >> she was a feminist before feminism was popular.
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she was a civil rights activist when it wasn't popular. >> reporter: the celebration of aretha franklin's life thinly played out like another soul icon, stevie wonder. >> just think the power of the spirit here in this city. she had one more gift for her fans. so many people getting to go inside to this funeral. people in tears at the chance of seeing and saying goodbye to someone they loved. and you think about jesse jackson walking out. i talked to him afterwards. he said i'm going the miss my friend. i'm going to miss our late-night conversations. this has been an awe-inspiring day. >> seeing it from afar was pretty inspiring. being there must have been unforgettable. thank you very much. "outfront" next, how ruth bader ginsburg became a pop culture icon. need with less of the sugar you don't. i'll take that. [cheers] 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar.
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cnn films rgg presented volkswagen jetta. next week the confirmation hearings for brett kavanaugh are set to begin. if confirmed, he will share the bench with ruth bader ginsburg, who 25 years ago this month became just the second woman sworn in as a justice on the supreme court. on monday, cnn will debut its new original film rbg. the film explores justice ginsburg's life and legacy. it real slay remarkable film. "outfront" attorney brenda feigan. she founded the women's rights. thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> now you have known her for a long time. you worked with her for a long time. just for the sake of our viewers who know her as a supreme court justice, back then what was your first impression of her? >> oh, she was a very
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kind-hearted, brilliant, deliberate, precise woman. i have a lot more observation, but that kind of sums it up. i worked with her for over two years when we started the acu women's right project and had the privilege of work closely with her and becoming her friend. >> how many key cases she argued as a lawyer before she went to the supreme court. you went with her on the first case she argued before the supreme court. tell us about that. >> okay. well that case was called frontier against richardson, and we represented sharon frontiero who was a lieutenant in the air force. sharon had a husband and t husband was denied medical and housing benefits because he wasn't as dependent on her as he should be the law to let a husband get benefits, where the
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wives of military men automatically got benefits. so we were in court saying that that distinction based on gender was unconstitutional. >> and you won? >> we definitely won. all but rehnquist, justice rehnquist agreed that was discrimination on the basis of sex. but we wanted to get a very high standard of review so that sexual discrimination would be scrutinized at the same level as race zrichlz discrimination. we almost got that four of the justices ruled in our favor on that. >> you remain close with her in washington and beyond. do you think she is close to being done? >> no. i think that she -- first of all, she said that she has at least another five years in her, and she has maintained her health beautifully. she works out, as you can see in the documentary, religiously, and i think that she really -- that's what she does. she is a justice of the court. she is not going to leave and retire and go to the beach. that's just not ruth.
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>> brenda feigan, thank you so much for walking us through. >> my pleasure. >> airing this monday night at 9:00 eastern time, really, you don't want to miss it. thank you for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. president trump keeps talking witch-hunt and the russia probe keeps finding broomsticks. john berman here in for anderson. one more guilty plea in connection with the investigation. one more cooperator for robert mueller. he is samuel patten, the washington lobbyist with busy ties to a russian national who himself was a close colleague of paul manafort. he pleaded guilty to a charge of failing to register as a foreign agent, and he admitted to making false statements, obstructing the u.s. senate intelligence committee and causing foreign money to flow into the trump inaugural committee. what he's got to offer the special counsel remains to be seen. what he represents, though, is clear. another reminder on top