kerry is on fareed zakaria which starts right now. thanks for watching. today up the show, former secretary of state, former candidate for the presidency, former senator, john kerry, how duds he feel about his biggest achievement in office being trashed by president trump. >> i'm not going to be senator kerry who makes that horrible iran deal. sweden is known for abba,

volvo and meatballs but also for its liberal policies. why is this part of scandinavia seeing a surge of popularity in its far right populist party. the last car built, squeeweden' former prime minister, who has fears about the future of sweden and europe. steve bannon and anne coulter. why liberals must listen to all voices even those they disagree with. but here's my take, for those who believe that donald trump is unconventional but canny, this week -- behind trump's ranting,

impulsiv impulsive, incoherent and narcissistic facade, lies a ranting, impullive incoherent and that is cystnarcissistic ma. perhaps the main reason we are not appearing too far behind the curtain these days is that in general, things look good. the american economy is growing a bit faster than expected. trump tries to take credit for this nearly every day. tru and some credit is justified. the economy growth last year was 4.2%, and as you know was was headed down. the sweeping tax cuts freed up

cash for businesses. this infusion of money, however, is likely to produce only a temporary bump, a kind of sugar high that comes from a massive increase in deficits and inequality. peace among the major powers allows for the continued surge of economic activity in most of the world. global zax aization and an ongo one economic factor that has almost always stopped it in the past. inflation. it's hard for prices to rise when goods and services can be supplied cheaply, either by a machine or software or a person in some developing country, china, india, bangladesh. but look below the surface at the forces producing these benign circumstances and they all seem increasingly under pressure. take peace, america, the world's

leading architect of the international order and of stability seems determined to disrupt it. trump is a harden eed isolationt that has kept the world peaceful and stable since 2005. for example, by extracting more payments from europe, japan and gulf states or confiscating e r iraq's oil. that leaves the technological revolution that has transformed the world. but here also, the trends are not entirely promising for america. first the country is living on seed capital, investments in basic science and research that were made in the '60s and '70s continue to undergird american

companies today. could amazon, facebook and apple have dominated the world without the internet and gps, both technologies developed by the united states government. the next wave of science and technology is indeed taking place, but in china. and then there is the rising backlash to technology, tech companies are increasingly seen as having monopoly or oligarchy power, intruding on privacy, having an elite that is separated from the rest of society. the best evidence of this is that trump, who does have good instincts of where and when to pander has gone to criticizing the tech -- beneath the surface, there are currents that could disrupt the calm, especially for

the united states. formor more go to cnn.com/faree and read my column this week, and let's get started. let's get right into it with the former secretary of state john kerry, he's the author of a new memoir, every day is extra. i want to start by explaining the title. it comes out of your service in vietnam? >> it does. it's august meamented by life i but service in vietnam shared a lesson with my crew and i and others i know who have been there is that if you're lucky enough to survive and you come home and so many other people didn't, you feel a gift, you have a sort of sense of responsibility about how you should lead your life because you are fortunate.

and it's a gift to be able to have a life of purpose, to be able to get things done and always recognize the degree to which you are blessed because of that. the it's also a lesson that there are a lot worse things in life than losing an election or losing a debate or whatever, but i think it puts a lot of things in perspective. and importantly, it encourages you to maximize the days that you have. so i think that the people that live with that sense are lucky and it's a way of encouraging other people that you don't have to go to war to have that sense, anybody who's had cancer or an accident, et cetera, you learn how grateful you are to deserve to live. >> we are in a political crisis,

the new woodward book, claim that is the president does not seem capable of the job. is that fair? >> i think it's more than doesn't seem capable. we have had confirmed now for more than a year and a half, examples, some by virtue of people who write a book and talk to a person like woodward and talk about what they're saying and observing and woodward is obviously a terrific reporter knows how to gather his facts and protect his flanks, so his credibility is very, very high, and some of the directives come from the president himself. for instance when you tweet chastising an attorney general of the united states for following the law and doing what the justice department is supposed to do, by holding republican congressmen as accountable as anybody else and

indicting them, and the president puts it in the context of affecting the elections, you have a president who clearly doesn't understand america, doesn't understand the constitution, doesn't understand the role of the justice department, the separation of powers, and that's dangerous. and when you link it to his rush to a summit with kim jong-un, his pronouncements about nuclear weapons afterwards, the lack of any certainty or precision to what the accountability is for the weaponry that exists, let alone the denuclearization, we're working in a very, very different and frankly dangerous world for our country. >> do you think that those cabinet members who were whispering about the 25th amendment, removing the president because he was unfit for office, unable to perform his duties, was that the right way to think about this? >> i think the right way to

think about this right now is the election is in two months, i think that's the greatest course correction you can have for all of this behavior, and one where average citizens are able to exercise judgment and be involved in the political process as they ought to be, it's the best of our democracy, frankly. and that's what we ought to be thinking about and it may be the strongest message and the strongest antidote to what is happening today. >> it what about republicans, particularly in the senate, you know these people well, you served with them for years. are you surprised that there is nobody of great stature, there are a few who are not running for re-election who did. but somebody like mitch mcconnell wouldn't say critical or is this what politics now is? it's tribal and -- >> fareed, i think that this is what the united states senate was defined for. this moment, this kind of

crisis. and it is a crisis. you effectively have a nonpresident a certain amount of the time. if a person is stealing a document from his desk and what the president intends is not happening, or if you have orders issued to the secretary of defense, a former general to assassinate people, which obviously is wrong and against the law and he doesn't do it, clearly you have a situation where selectively the president is not the president. and that's a very dangerous situation. that is not constitutional. that is not the way it is supposed to work. but people are protecting it because of the impulsiveness and gap between the president's understanding and reality and the norm. so this is unique.

and the senate was designed to be the great check, that's why you have six-year terms, that's why you have this different set of rules from the house. sadly over the years, as i began to see it in the late 1990s, and then onwards, much, some of the -- some of the traits of the house have been transferred to the senate. and i think the senate is diminished by that over the years here. this is a time where senators should be standing up to protect the constitution and protect the institution, the senate itself. but they seem to be abdicating that responsibility, they seem to be allowing the president to behave in ways that are clearly outside of any norm whatsoever that are dangerous and as a result, they are not defending the constitution that they swore to defend, nor the institution,

their defending party and president. and i think that's wrong. >> when we come back on "gps" we'll talk got the nuclear deal with iran, it came out of a grueling negotiation that senator kerry conducted.

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secretary john kerry stood before the world and announced against all odds, the united states, germany, the uk and russia had reached a nuclear agreement with iran. on thmay 8, 2018, president tru said he was withdrawing what he called the worst guideal in history. >> we will withdraw from the iran nuclear deal. >> what is your reaction to the united states withdrawing from that deal? >> well, i think it's a very dangerous and ill advised move that is not based on any broad strategy that is drawing other countries to the table to be supportive of it, rather i think it represents a campaign promise

made by the president, on which he campaigned but has no basis of achieving the goals that the president set out, if there are goals. this agreement, merely saying this agreement is the worst agreement, actually doesn't make it the worst agreement. it is in fact the single strongest, single most accountable, single most transparent nuclear agreement anywhere in the world. what the president's done is simply said i'm going to get t out, and whatever dangers existed down the road and we had every option available to us way down the road or then or now, he suddenly rushed to making the way down the road be now, tomorrow. and in doing so, he has

empowered the hard liners in iran. he has given power to the people who say that the united states is the great satan, they're going to burn you. and they have put president rouhani and those who were trying to move to a more rational position into a much more political and substantively difficult position with the it toll ayatollah, with the government of iran and i think it works against american interest as a result of that. >> what is the danger of donald trump talking to vladimir putin without any aides for two hours one-on-one? he would say that's how you establish a personal rapport and solve problems and get things done. >> look, i am in favor of dlim

dlim -- diplomacy that involves personal engagement where you talk to a leader and move to a stronger engagement. but evidently there was no shared sense of strategy in what that conversation would be. >> with aides? >> even with his own people. and people of what we know about this president and his style and his approach and those kinds of meetings, and i think you saw it evidenced in the press conference that took place afterwards, the president came up, came out publicly, and praised president putin's notion that an american ambassador ought to be subjected to interrogation by the russians in exchange for a visit. this is a remarkable moment for the united states in that the

president did not defend the united states against the hacking that he literally accepted president putin's denials and he praised the strength with which president putin had denied it. i think the danger of any solo conversation is that it simply augments that kind of kowtowing and i think most people have serious questions about what it is that russia has in terms of information about donald trump that might force him not to be able to be forceful with president putin. >> do you think that putin has something on donald trump? >> i don't know the answer to that, but i will tell you this, when we went to moscow, we were advised by everyone not to engage in any kind of conversation in a hotel and to be aware that we were willing

listened to wherever we were. and if donald trump went there at any point in time, they knew exactly what he was doing. >> when we come back, i will ask senator kerry if he will run for president. (music throughout)

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the 2018 midterm elections are less than 60 days away, i wanted to get some political insight from matt who has run for the house of representatives, for governor of massachusetts, five times for the u.s. senate and once for president. we're back with john kerry, author of "every day is extra." so when you look at the political climate right now with this group of americans who seem angry but also very deeply

supportive of donald trump, what is your sense of what the democrats need to do? you know, everyone has sort of a strategy, but it seems to me the core issue is that trump has connected almost emotionally that a group of americans that democrats were not able to. what should say do? >> i think they have to have a better plan for making people's lives better, it's that simple. and i completely understand what has happened with respect to donald trump and the support that he garnered. on the right and on the left in america and in between, people are appropriately angry. and i understand that anger. i have watched this in the senate when we went from the gingrich revolution to the tea party do the freedom caucus, to donald trump's basically hostile take over of the republican party. and it came about because washington, the politicians, the congress was not getting the job done, it was not responding,

there are individuals in the city who want to do the right thing, who are trying to, but as a group, as an institution, it is failing. >> you talk in the book about how the kind of take no prisoners partisanship began in the '90s and was the clinton presidency and newt gingrich and a new kind of republican majority. that seems to be the point at which -- >> i think that is when it turned, i do. that's when it began. you had this interminable investigation which was legitimate perhaps in its beginning to say we're going to look at the white water, but that's not what it did, and it went on and on and on. but you had a concerted effort to destroy a presidency, and that now seems to have become the norm, a new president comes in, we'll destroy it, we're not going to see how we can work

together the year or two before the next election to try to better the country. it's a dry issue, a lot of people say don't talk about it, nobody cares. it matters. when you can ride a train in china that goes 300 miles an hour, it's extraordinary, we're not doing that in america, we have gridlock in city after city after city because we're not building the kind of infrastructure we need. china is engaged in a trillion dollar expenditure for the bone belt, one road. they have built a railway system that has 49 different groups to nine european countries and we're sitting here with what, with the asella that goes new york to washington?

we went to the moon, we invented the internet, we should be ashamed of what is not happening now and decide we need to make it happen. so that's what i think is at stake at this moment. we need to find the common ground like john mccain did, standing in his prison cell in hanoi. >> you should -- trump says he be so lucky that you would run for president in 2020. >> i don't think we should be wasting time talking about 2020 right now. i don't think anybody should be. we should be focusing on the election that's happening in two months. i have no plan to run for anything in my life right now, i don't. but i think the course correction that could put us

back on track, the magic number 54.2%, that's the number of eligible voter who is voted in 2016. when i ran, and i'm not -- you know, i didn't win, obviously, but when i ran with george bush, we had a 60.4% turnout. when barack obama was elected the first time, it was a 62.3% turnout. so the point i'm making is, it's not the people who did vote that wound up effecting the outcome, it's the people who didn't vote. that's what is at stake in the next two months. you don't like what's happening now, you think we could have a better direction, you think you're not earning enough money, you need health care, we have got to elect leaders who will get the job done. next on "gps," we will pivot

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rise in popularity of a party called sweden democrats. in 2010, it got less than 10% of the vote in 2014, 13%. don't be fooled by the name, sweden democrats is a far right immigration nationalist party with reported roots in neo-naziism. it's focus on egalitarianism, on human rights, the party could finish in the top three. what in the world? how did this happen? joining me now is the former prime minister carl belt. is there a simple bottom line that explains is it, is itti i m immigration? >> we have a pattern over the past couple of years that we have the emergence of parties

further to the right, which we haven't seen before, and they could have 10% or 15% or something like that of the electorate. but it is a major change in the swedish political system and is an agitation to the future of the country. >> is there a coherent program here or is it a series of impulses? the anti-eu, anti-further integration, loss of sovereignty. >> whether it be coherent, i believe it's fairly coherent what they are saying, but there are people who feel left behind. so they're playing make sweden

great again, like things were better before. go back to the 1950s, we didn't have any illegal immigrants, the world was less complicated and so it's that sort of sentiment and immigration has been triggering something that's slightly wider than your stat. >> i looked at the numbers and in 2017, sweden saw a huge drop in immigration and this mirrors a pattern europe wide. the immigration problem, the sense of a kind of out of control migration from the south seems to have stopped and yet the backlash to it continues very strongly. >> that's true. if you look at the numbers, we have the lowest numbers of refugees coming to sweden than we have had probably for 10 years and that applies to virtually all of europe at the moment. but 2015, we had a million people coming conditiwithin a cf

weeks more or less. and the key toss, ahead countries that want to integrate all those immigrants. and that was the highest share in relation to population of any other european country. and to integrate them, to learn our not entirely common language swedish and education very many of them, it's a major undertaking. and a lot of people are worried, is this going to be too much of a strain on law and order, a strain on the welfare state, those kinds of things. >> you understand that a lot of politics is not about the facts, it's about the emotional reaction to the circumstance. what is the best path to counter those certain kinds of nativism and racism and those kinds of things. >> i think what is necessary

that applies to sweden and other european countries as well that we need to get hope back into politics. there's been more fear, the future is not something that looks that hopeful any longer, a future that looks problematic, we live in a more complicated world, we have a lot of changes, technology and others that are in our society, and a lot of people then go defensive and say things are not going in the right direction, things were better before and politics have been playing along too much in my opinion, we need to get hope back, optismoptism -- optimism the future. >> thank you for being on, sir. don't forget if you miss a show, go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my i-tunes podcast.

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after i interviewed steve bannon in may, there was an outcry with many people wondering why i gave him a platform for his views. well, i believe hearing his ideas was and is important. bannon is representative of the movement that put donald trump in office. he's now working to replicate that success all over europe. liberals need to understand that if they don't listen to people like steve bannon, these people don't disappear, it just means people keep being surprised by election results. recently bannon was invited to a -- a staff writer said an ideas festival where you only invite your friends is called a dinner party. i wanted to spotlight this on

american free speech in college campuses. the calming of the american mind, how good intentions and bad ideas are setting up a generation for failure. jonathan, thanks for coming on. >> it's a pleasure, fareed. >> it's almost like there's a new moral universe, explain what you mean. >> what began happening in 2014 and 2015, is when professors or students would say something, there would be protests and demands that the person will fired. and it took everybody by surprise, it seemed very strange. there's a new generation of students, these are not millennial's, these are kids born after 1995.

but there's a huge clash on campus and it makes it very hard to teach a class, and if you say one wrong word in that class, they can report you. >> your political activism is all as you say this callout culture, you're just searching for trudeau words, give us an example of the kinds of callouts that you have heard about, witnessed. >> there was a column that was written by a student who said she felt marginalized and unwelcome, and she seized on one word, that was meant kindly, but she interpreted it in the worst possible way, but it led to hunger strikes. members of the faculty are

walking on egg sells and teaching on eggshells. so i hear over and over again from foreign students, we have foreign students who come here thinking they're going to find this vibrant intellectual climate. we have people from china and singapore who come here and say i thought we were going to come here and be able to speak fl freely. >> you say this is the way these kids were raised? >> yes, to understand why the kids born after 1995 are different you have to go back to their childhoods in the late 1990s and 2000s, before that kids would play outside and have conflicts and learn how to make rules and negotiate.

if our kids are outside, and there's not an adult out there literally watching over them, they might be abducted. so the art of association, but beginning in the '80s and '90s we cracked down on this and now in the 2000s you begin to hear stories about parents who were arrested because their kids were playing at a park unsupervised. imagine if we didn't let kids read until they were 14, they wou wou wou would -- the rate of depression and anxiety has skyrocketed especially for teenaged girls. if you look at the hospital admission data for cutting their

bodies with sharp objects, same pattern, you look at the suicide rate, same pattern, boys suicide rate is up 25%, girls suicide rate is up 70%, 7-0, if you look at the first decade of the century, 2000 to 2010, you take the average per 100,000 and compare it to the last few years. it began in 2000 going steadily upward. this is a catastrophe that people are just learning about now. we have parents who want to break out. and we have suggestions in the book that help you do that, you have to work with other parptd and the school. >> we will be back. that's why we created expedia's add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. ♪

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it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone, commerce, education and what's the third one there, let's see --. >> rick perry then famously went on to lead the agency he wanted to cut but couldn't think of the name of, the energy department. it brings me to my question, what nation announced this week it would get rid of half of its government ministries? is it laos, argentina? you can get my podcast at places like google play.

and now you can find the audio of our shows on spotify. just search for my name fareed zakaria and scroll down to podcasts. one study found that nearly 90% of venezuelans live in poverty and almost a third said they cannot afford to buy food every day. venezuela got rid of five zeros from the hyper inflated money. to make matters worse, citizens have been stuck, passports and visas are nearly impossible to obtain. it can take years to move through the sluggish bureaucracy. but there is good news, it just became easier for venezuelans to

flee their country, as 11 other latin-american states agreed to take in mirror gragrants who ha inspired the travel documents. since 2003, some 2.3 million venezuelans have fled from the economic devastation of their countries to neighboring countries according to the u.n. that's about 70% of their entire population. but despite this, the -- but of course, theirs is not the first administration to claim fake news, the answer to my nbc challenge is b, it was announced on monday that the government would close or combine at least half of its ministries to speed up the release of a sorely

needed $50 billion bailout. argentina's peso has lost half it's value. this crisis is just the latest in a century long economic decline. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week, i will see you next week. how to cover crazy town. i'm brian stelter and this is "reliable sources," our weekly look at the story behind the story. how the public media really works, how the news gets made and how all of us can make it better. new this hour, that incredible op-ed, why journalists are asking the wrong question about the op-ed. plus disturbing developments from myanmar where two reuters journalists have been sentenced to ten years in prison. and later why it's time to stop using terms like active shoote