>> you broke my heart. thanks for spending your sunday with us. former secretary of state john kerry is just ahead on chaos in the white house with fareed zakar zakaria. thanks for watching. today up the show, former secretary of state, former candidate for the presidency, former senator, john kerry, how duds he feel about his biggest achievement in office being trashed by president trump.

>> i'm not going to be senator kerry who makes that horrible iran deal. sweden is known for abba, ikea, volvo and meatballs, but also it's liberal policies, so why is this part of scandinavia seeing a surge in the popularity of its far right populist party. the last car built, sweden's former prime minister, who has fears about the future of sweden and europe. and finally steve bannon, milo yuanopolis and anne coulter, why liberals must listen to all those voices, even those they disagree with. but here's my take, for those who believe that donald trump is unconventional but canny, this

method to the madness. woodward's new book and the op-ed in the times, behind trump's rantding impulsive, incoherent and narcissistic facade, lies a ranting impulsive and incoherent and narcissistic man. perhaps the main reason we are not peering too far behind the curtain these days is that in general, things look good. the american economy is growing a bit faster than expected. trump tries to take credit for this nearly every day. >> we are the economic envy of the entire world. >> and some credit is justified. >> economic growth last quarter was 4.2%. and as you people know, it was

headed down. >> the widespread deregulation has probably had the effects of easing constraints on business activity. the sweeping tax cut freed up tax for businesses. this infusion of money, however, is likely to produce only a temporary bump, a kind of sugar high that comes from a massive increase in deficits and deepening inequality. but consider the broader things that are shaping the world. peace among the major powers allows for the continued surge of economic activity in most of the world. global isization a-- globalization and the ongoing economic factor that has almost always stopped it in the mast. you see it's hard for prices to rise when goods and services can be supplied cheaply, either by a machine for software or a person in some developing country, china, india, bangladesh. but look below the surface at the forces producing these

benign circumstances and they all seem increasingly under pressure. take peace, america, the world's leading architect of the international order and of stability seems determined to disrupt it. trump is at heart an isolationist who constantly questions the value that have kept the world peaceful and stable since 12005. for example, by extracting more payments from europe, japan and gulf states or confiscating iraq's oil. his administration has been in major trade disputes with its top trading partners, the europe upon union, china, canada, mexico. that leaves the technological revolution that has transformed the world. but here also, the trends are not entirely promising for america. first the country is living on seed capital, investments in basic science and research that

were made in the '60s and '70s continue to undergird american tech companies today. could amazon, facebook and apple have dominated the world without the internet and gps, both technologies developed by the united states government. the next wave of science and technology is indeed taking place, but in china. and then there is the rising backlash to technology, tech companies are increasingly seen as having monopoly or oligarchy power, crushing competition, ransacking consumer data and threaten profiting on it, intruding on privacy, having an elite that has been separated from the rest of society. the best evidence of this is that trump, who does have good instincts of where and when to pander has gone to criticizing the tech giants with regularity.

we are living in peaceful and prosperous times, but beneath the surface, there are currents that could disrupt the calm, especially for the united states. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my column this week, and let's get started. let's get right into it with the former secretary of state john kerry, he's the author of a new memoir, every day is extra. i want you to start by explaining the title. it comes out of your service in vietnam? >> it does. it's augmented by life itself, but service in vietnam shared a lesson with my crew and i and others i know who have been there is that if you're lucky enough to survive and you come home and so many other people didn't, you feel a gift, you have a sort of sense of

responsibility about how you should lead your life because you are fortunate. and it's a gift to be able to have a life of purpose, to be able to get things done and always recognize the degree to which you are blessed because of that. it's also a lesson that there are a lot worse things in life than losing an election or losing a debate or whatever, but i think it puts a lot of things in perspective. and importantly, it encourages you to maximize the days that you have. so i think those of us that live with that sense are lucky. and it's a way of encouraging other people that you don't have to go to war to have that sense, anybody who's had cancer or an anybody who's had an accident or whatever, you learn how fragile things are. and i think it's a great philosophy by which to live. >> you say we are in a

constitutional crisis, because now the woodward book, the "new york times" op-ed make plain in your view, i think, that the president does not seem capable of the job. is that fair? >> i think it's more than doesn't seem capable. we have had confirmed now for more than a year and a half, examples, some by virtue of people who write a book and talk to a person like woodward and de dell -- tell them what they're seeing and observing and woodward is obviously a terrific reporter who knows how to gather his facts and protect his flanks, so his credibility is very, very high. and some of the directives come from the president himself. for instance when you tweet chastising an attorney general of the united states for following the law and doing what the justice department is supposed to do, by holding republican congressmen as

accountable as anybody else and indicting them, and the president puts it in the context of affecting the elections, you have a president who clearly doesn't understand america, doesn't understand the constitution, doesn't understand the role of the justice department, the separation of powers, and that's dangerous. and when you link it to his rush to a summit with kim jong-un, his pronouncements about nuclear weapons afterwards, the lack of any certainty or precision to what the accountability is for the weaponry that exists, let alone the denuclearization, we're working in a very, very different and frankly dangerous world for our country. >> do you think that those cabinet members who were whispering about the 25th amendment, removing the president because he was unfit for office, unable to perform

his duties, was that the right way to think about this? >> i think the right way to think about this right now is the election is in two months, i think that's the greatest course correction you can have for all of this behavior, and one where average citizens have an opportunity to be able to exercise judgment and be involved in the political process as they ought to be. it's the best of our democracy, frankly. and that's what we ought to be thinking about and it may be the strongest message and the strongest antidote to what is happening today. >> what about remember -- republicans, particularly in the senate, you know these people well, you served with them for years. are you surprised that there is nobody of great stature, there are a few who are not running for re-election who did. but somebody like mitch mcconnell wouldn't say something critical or is this what

politics now is, it's tribal and -- >> fareed, i think that this is what the united states senate was defined for. this moment, this kind of crisis. and it is a crisis. you effectively have a nonpresident a certain amount of the time. if a person is stealing a document from his desk and what the president intends is not happening, or if you have orders issued to the secretary of defense, a former general to assassinate people, which obviously is wrong and against the law and he doesn't do it, clearly you have a situation where selectively the president is not the president. and that's a very dangerous situation.

that is not constitutional. that is not the way it is supposed to work. but people are protecting it because of the impulsiveness and gap between the president's understanding and reality and the norm. so this is unique. and the senate was designed to be the great check, that's why you have six-year terms, that's why you have this different set of rules from the house. sadly over the years, as i began to see it in the late 1990s, and then onwards, much, some of the -- some of the traits of the house have been transferred to the senate. and i think the senate is diminished by that over the years here. this is a time where senators should be standing up to protect the constitution and protect the institution, the senate itself. but they seem to be abdicating that responsibility, they seem to be allowing the president to behave in ways that are clearly outside of any norm whatsoever that are dangerous and as a result, they are not defending

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on july 14, 2014, then secretary john kerry stood before the world and announced against all odds, the united states, germany, the uk and france china and russia had reached a nuclear agreement with iran. on may 8, 2018, president trump stood before the world and announced he is withdrawing from what he has called the worst deal in history. >> the united states will withdraw from the iran nuclear deal. >> joining me now john kerry. what is your reaction to the united states withdrawing from that deal? >> well, i think it's a very dangerous and ill advised move that is not based on any broad strategy that is drawing other

countries to the table to be supportive of it, rather i think it represents a campaign promise made by the president, on which he campaigned but has no basis of achieving the goals that the president set out, if there are goals. this agreement, merely saying this agreement is the worst agreement, actually doesn't make it the worst agreement. it is in fact the single strongest, single most accountable, single most transparent nuclear agreement anywhere in the world. what the president's done is simply said i'm going to get out, and whatever dangers existed down the road and we had every option available to us way down the road or then or now, he suddenly rushed to making the

way down the road be now, tomorrow. and in doing so, he has empowered the hard liners in iran. he has given power to the people who say that the united states is the great satan, they're going to burn you. well, guess what? donald trump proved them right. and he has put president rouhani and those who were trying to move to a more rational position, into a much more political and substantively difficult position with the ayatollah, with the government of iran and i think it works against the american interest as a it relates to iran.

>> what is the danger of donald trump talking to vladimir putin without any aides for two hours one-on-one? he would say that's how you establish a personal rapport and solve problems and get things done. >> look, i am in favor of -- diplomacy that involves personal engagement where you talk to a leader and you are moving in a direction. but evidently there was no shared sense of strategy in what that conversation would be. >> with aides? >> even with his own people. and because of what we know about this president and his style and his approach to those kinds of meetings, and i think you saw it evidenced in the press conference that took place afterwards, the president came out publicly and praised president putin's notion that an american ambassador ought to be subjected to interrogation by the russians in exchange for a visit.

this is a remarkable moment for the united states in that the president did not defend the united states against the hacking that he literally accepted president putin's denials and he praised the strength with which president putin had denied it. i think the danger of any solo conversation is that it simply augments that kind of kowtowing and i think most people have serious questions about what it is that russia has in terms of information about donald trump that might force him not to be able to be forceful with president putin. >> do you think that putin has something on donald trump? >> i don't know the answer to that, but i will tell you this, when we went to moscow, we were advised by everyone not to engage in any kind of

conversation in a public place and to be aware that we were being listened to and watched wherever we were. and if donald trump went there at any point in time, they knew exactly what he was doing. >> when we come back, i will ask senator kerry who should run for president in 2020. trump wants john kerry to run against him. will he? ♪ hungry eyes ♪ one look at you and i can't disguise ♪ ♪ i've got hungry eyes ♪ i feel the magic between you and i ♪ ♪ i've got hungry eyes

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we're back with john kerry, author of "every day is extra." so when you look at the political climate right now with this group of americans who seem angry but also very deeply supportive of donald trump, what is your sense of what the democrats need to do? you know, everyone has sort of a strategy, but it seems to me the core issue is that trump has connected almost emotionally that a group of americans that democrats were not able to. what should say do? >> i think they have to have a better plan for making people's lives better, it's that simple. and i completely understand what has happened with respect to donald trump and the support that he garnered. on the right and on the left in america and in between, people are appropriately angry. and i understand that anger. i have watched this in the senate when we went from the gingrich revolution to the tea

party do the freedom caucus, to donald trump's basically hostile take over of the republican party. and it came about because washington, the politicians, the congress was not getting the job done, it was not responding, there are individuals in the city who want to do the right thing, who are trying to, but as a group, as an institution, it is failing. >> you talk in the book about how the kind of take no prisoners partisanship began in the '90s and was the clinton presidency and newt gingrich and a new kind of republican majority. that seems to be the point at which -- >> i think that is when it turned, i do. that's when it began. you had this interminable investigation which was legitimate perhaps in its initial beginning to say we're going to look at white water but that's not what it did, and it went on and on and on.

but you had a concerted effort to destroy a presidency, and that now seems to have become the norm, a new president comes in, we'll destroy it, we're not going to see how we can work together the year or two before the next election to try to get things done for the country. we're not building things in america. our infrastructure is in desperate need. it a dry issue, a lot of people say don't talk about it, nobody cares. it matters. when you can ride a train in china that goes 300 miles an hour in beijing to hong kong and i have ridden in it. it's extraordinary. we're not doing that america. we have gridlock in city after city after city because we're not building the kind of infrastructure we need. china is engaged in a trillion dollar expenditure for the one belt, one road. they have built a railway system that has 49 different groups to nine european countries and we're sitting here with what,

with the acela that goes new york to washington? it only goes about 19 miles. we went to the moon, we invented the internet, we should be ashamed of what is not happening now and decide we need to make it happen. so that's what i think is at stake at this moment. i think if we begin to address our concerns we'll find a lot of americans will deal with each other again like john mccain did, standing in his prison cell in hanoi. >> president trump says he should be so lucky that you would run against him in 2020. will you take him up? >> i don't think we should be wasting time talking about 2020 right now. i don't think anybody should be. we should be focusing on the election that's happening in two months. i have no plan to run for anything in my life right now, i don't. but i think the course

correction that could put us our country back on track is staring us in the face, the magic number is 54.2%. that's the number of eligible voters who voted in 2016. when i ran, and i'm not -- you know, i didn't win, obviously, but when i ran with george bush, we had a 60.4% turnout. when barack obama was elected the first time, it was a 62.3% turnout. so the point i'm making is, it's not the people who did vote that wound up affecting the outcome, it's the people who didn't vote. that's what is at stake in the next two months. you don't like what's happening now, you think we could have a better direction, you think you're not earning enough money, you need health care, we have organize around leaders who are prepared to go to washington and get the job done.

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it is election day in sweden and i wanted to bring your attention to something that is happening there that is very important. look at the numbers behind the rise in popularity of a party

called sweden democrats. in 2010, it got less than 10% of the vote in 2014, 13%. recently the party has been polling even higher. why am i tolling you this? don't be fooled by the name, sweden democrats is a far right anti immigration nationalist party with reported roots in neo-naziism. it's focus on egalitarianism, on human rights, the party could finish in the top three. what in the world? how did this happen? joining me now is a fantastic guest, sweden's former prime minister, carl belt. carl, is there a simple bottom line that explains it? is it immigration? >> i think that's part of it. this is the pattern we have seen throughout europe for the past couple of years that we have the emergence of populist parties to the right, we didn't have those

before. and they could have 10% or 15% or something like that of the electorate. but it is a major change in the swedish political system and is an agitation to the future of the country. >> do you think it is a -- is there a kind of coherent program here, or sit a series of impu e impuls impulses? it seems to be anti immigration, that seems to be the dominant one. but the anti-eu, anti-further immigration, loss of sovereig y sovereignty? >> whether it be coherent, i believe it's fairly coherent what they are saying, but there are people who feel left behind. so they're playing make sweden great again in the sense that

things were better before. go back to the 1950s, we didn't have any illegal immigrants, the world was less complicated and so it's that sort of sentiment and immigration has been tri triggering something that was slig slightly wider than your stat. >> i looked at the numbers and in 2017, sweden saw a huge drop in immigration and this mirrors a pattern europe wide. the immigration problem, the sense of a kind of out of control migration from the south seems to have stopped and yet the backlash to it continues very strongly. >> that's true. if you look at the numbers, we have the lowest numbers of refugees coming to sweden than we have had probably for 10 years and that applies to virtually all of europe at the moment. but 2015, we had a million people coming within a couple of weeks more or less. concentrated to a large extent

to germany and sweden. and the key toss, ahead of the countries that need to integrate all those people. we took 160,000 of them. and that was the highest share in relation to population of any other european country. and to integrate them, to learn our not entirely common language swedish and educate very many of them, it's a major undertaking. and a lot of people are worried, is this going to be too much of a strain on law and order, a strain on the welfare state, those sorts of things. >> you're a politician, carl, so you understand that a lot of politics is not about the facts, it's about the emotional reaction to the circumstance. what is the best path to counter those certain kinds of nativism and racism and paranoia about these things? >> i think what is necessary that applies to sweden and other european countries as well that we need to get hope back into

politics. the development that we have seen in the last few years, ten years back or something like that is there's been more fear. the future is not something that looks that hopeful any longer, a future that looks more problematic. there's truth to that. we live in a more complicated world, we have a lot of changes, technology and others that are in our society, and a lot of people then go defensive and say things are not going in the right direction, things were better before and politics have to some extent been playing along too much in my opinion, we need to get hope back, optimism about the future. and i need to acknowledge that it's a lot easier said than done. >> carl belt, on that note, thank you for being on, sir. don't forget if you miss a show, go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my itunes podcast. making my dreams a reality

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after i interviewed steve bannon in may, there was an outcry with many people wondering why i gave him a platform for his views. well, i believe hearing his ideas was and is important. bannon is the most articulate exopponee component of the force that put trump into office. he's now working to replicate that success all over europe. liberals need to understand that if they don't listen to people like steve bannon, these people don't disappear, it just means people keep being surprised by election results. recently bannon was invited to a staff writer said an ideas festival where you only invite your friends is called a dinner party. i wanted to talk about this dust up and the related issue of free

speech being curtailed on american college campuses and issues relating to that. jonath jonathan h oh, eheight, author book, "the coddling of the american mind, how good intentions and bad ideas are setting up a generation for failure." jonathan, thanks for coming on. >> it's a pleasure, fareed. >> it's almost like there's a new moral universe, explain what you mean. >> what began happening in 2014 and 2015, is when professors or students would say something, there would be protests and demands that the person will fired. and it took everybody by surprise, it seemed very strange. that's what we're seeing now, is the new generation of students, these are not millennial's these are kids born after 1995. but there's a huge clash on campus and it makes it very hard

to teach a class, and if you say one wrong word in that class, somebody is offended by one word, they can report you. >> your political activism is all as you say this callout culture, you're just searching for trudeau words, give us an example of the kinds of callouts that you have heard about, witnessed. >> there was an episode at clemson college where there was a student who said she felt marginalized and unwelcome, and she seized on one word, that was meant kindly, but she interpreted it in the worst possible way but it led to hunger strikes that led to the professor being fired. members of the faculty are walking on egg sells and teaching on eggshells. so i hear over and over again from foreign students, we have foreign students who come here

thinking they're going to find this vibrant intellectual climate. i have students from china and singapore, these are authoritarian >> you say this is tied to actually the way these kids were raised. explain that. >> there was a rapid change that occurred around 2013 or 2014. why were the kids born after 1995 different? you have to go back to their childhoods in the 1990s and early 2000s. kids would play outside in mixed age groups and learn how to have conflicts and make rules and enforce the rules. sometime in the 1980s and 90s, we freaked out in this country and got the idea apart from cable tv that if our kids are outside and there is not an

adult literally watching them, they might be abducted. our generation by the age of 7 or 8, we would walk to school and play outside and learn the skills and the art of association. beginning in the 80s and 90s, we cracked down and now in the 2000s, you see the stories about parents who are arrested, arrested because their kids were playing in a park unsupervised. imagine if we didn't let kids read until they were 14. we don't let kids be independent and outside supervising themselves until they are 13 or 14 in many communities now. >> do you think there is any shift or push back taking place? >> i think we are ready for it. the rate of depression and anxiety has skyrocketed for teenagers and especially for teen girls. there was an article in the "new york times" questioning this, but if you look at the mission data for cutting bodies with

they were data, same pattern. suicide rate, same pattern. boys are up 20% and girls are up 70%. 7-0. >> over what period? >> if you look at the first decade of the century. 2000 to 2010. you take the average per 100,000. it began going up in 2011. steadily upwards. this is a catastrophe. people are just beginning to learn about it this year. the will is there and a lot of parents want to break out. we have a lot of suggestions and you have to do it with the parents and the school. >> pleasure to have you on. >> my pleasure, fareed, thank you. >> we will be back. ♪ i've got hungry eyes ♪ i feel the magic between you and i ♪ ♪ i've got hungry eyes

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republicans have on occasion cut kpentire executive branch departments. >> it's three agencies of government that are gone. commerce, education, and the -- what's the third one? >> rick perry went on to lead the agency he wanted to cut, but couldn't think of the name of. the energy department. it brings me to my question, what nation announced this week it would get rid of half of its government ministries? laos, argentina, mozambique or mongolia? i would like to recommend my podcast. if you miss a show, you can get the gps podcast at i tunes and google play. now you can find the audio of our shows on spotify.

open the app, search my name or gps and scroll down to podcasts. now for the last look. venezuela is in crisis. hyper inflation in that nation will swell to a million percent by year's end. they found that 90% of venezuelans live in poverty and two 30s sathirds said they can' afford to buy foot. they had the hyper inplated money and increase fuel prices to raise money for the budget. to make matters worse, citizens have been stuck. passports and visas are nearly impossible to obtain. it can take years to move through the sluggish bureaucracy and bribes to get the are in paperwork. there is good news. it just became easier for venezuelans to flee their count

rae as 11 other latin american states agreed to take in migrant who is have expired travel documents, the bbc noted. 2.3 million venezuelans fled from the nation into neighboring countries. that is about 7% of the entire population. despite all this, the vice president said migration members are normal. warning that state enemies are trying to inflate the figures to justify intervention. theirs is not the first administration to claim fake news. the answer to my gps challenge is b, argene 10 president announced monday that the government would close or combine about half of its ministries as an austerity measure. they hope to persuade to speed up the release of a sorely needed $50 billion bailout.

argentina's peso lost half the value against the dollar leaving them without cash to pay debts. this is the latest in a century-long economic decline. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hello and thank you very much for joining me. we begin with breaking news. stepping down as the head of cbs, his departure is part of a fight for control of the network and follows a series of accusations by women of sexual harassment and assault going as far back as the 1980s, including claims of physical violence and forced sex. last month. the new yorker