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working? there's a lot of concern inside the administration it might be looking at pictures like that. >> i'm jim acosta. thank you for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. up next, limbo, a hearing that could change the course of history is set for monday but will the woman accusing brett kavanaugh of sexual assault be there? plus cavanaugh's high school friend and defender. she was not a witness, so why is she so sure he didn't do it? we're going to ask her. the florida senate race, one of the most expensive in the country. can republican rick scott get away with keeping his old front trump at arm's length. we're going to ask him. i'm jim sciutto in for erin burnett. the public hearing into the alleged brett kavanaugh sexual
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assault is in question tonight. mitch mcconnell saying moments ago he and other republicans still have not heard from brett kavanaugh's accuser, christine blasey ford or her attorney on whether she will appear before the senate judiciary committee on monday. republicans quick to point out that monday is ford's chance to be heard. >> we're looking forward to hearing what she said to say on monday. she's going to have an opportunity to be heard monday. >> we hope she will take advantage of that opportunity and we can move forward with the process. >> fb we hope she takes advantage of this opportunity. >> this opportunity. susan collins, a key swing vote calling it puzzling that ford has yet to confirm if she will be there on monday, but democrats want more time. they're pressing for the fbi to reopen kavanaugh's background check before any hearing takes place. >> we should not be rushing to judgment with a sham hearing on
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monday. >> there's no reason to rush this thing to judgment right now. >> we all signed on to this letter to demand an fbi investigation. >> today it was clear where the president stands. refusing to even say ford's name while clearly siding with the supreme court nominee, brett kavanaugh. >> i feel so badly for him he's going through this. it's a shame because this is a great gentleman. i feel terribly for him. >> man knew raju is outfront live on capitol hill. you spoke to the senate majority leader. what more did he say and do they have any explanation why they haven't heard from ford or her attorney? >> reporter: republicans don't know why they haven't heard from her or her attorney after her attorney went on television saying she'd be willing to testify. they're telling me no they have not heard from ford. this comes after senator chuck
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grassley has reached out to her and her attorney, but has not heard back. but they have interviewed brett kavanaugh about the allegations. they have also reached out to the individual who was cited by ford in that "the washington post" piece piece about who allegedly witnessed this incident from the 1980s, that person, mark judge, has told the senate judiciary committee that he does not want to testify in public. and he said he has no recollection of this incident. now democrats on the other hand are saying that they want a full fbi background investigation looking into this before any decision to move forward with a hearing. dianne feinstein, the top democrat on the committee, who initially got this letter from kavanaugh's accuser told me earlier that there should be a delay for any hearing, untthat fbi background check is completed. but republicans do not want to move forward with the fbi
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background check, neither does president trump and orrin hatch, one of the top republicans on the committee just told me moments ago they're going to move forward with the nomination next week, even if she does not show up. so republicans rolling the dice, wanting to move forward. former white house communications director jen sake, former assistant to george w. bush scott jennings. scott, if ford does not show up at the hearing on monday, there's six days a lot can happen between now and then. in your view is it game over? will brett kavanaugh be confirmed? >> yes, i think they will probably have the hearing monday. i think kavanaugh may show up and deny what's been publically said about him. if they can't get him on the record under oath they have to go ahead with what they have on
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the record under oath, which is the hours and hours of testimony, the questions he's answered, the background check that's been completed. you move that forward just as though you were on the calendar you were on before. >> jen, republican senator jeff flake, who, of course, is one of the first -- i think the first republican to say that he wanted to wait to hear from ford, he did not want to vote on anything until that happened, he has said he agrees with scott, if she does not take this opportunity to testify, he's then inclined to vote to confirm kavanaugh. what is your view here? keeping in mind we don't know what's going on behind the scenes or if perhaps ford is considering what will be a difficult decision? what's your view, if she does not testify should this go forward? >> we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. it's likely she's in touch with the minority committee staff, which would be standard operating procedure in this case. there's six days between now and
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monday, it's a long time in the news cycle, a long time on capitol hill, and there's also pressure ratcheting up on republicans. the real question is do republicans in the senate think someone who's been accused of assault should serve in the supreme court. there are ways to get to the bottom of it, they can subpoena mark judge, this is a private citizen and she's getting death threats but there are ways to get information. it's a question of if they want it or not. >> el-jann na, the chairman says he has reached out to ford multiple times to arranged the testimony, he like mcconnell are saying they've not heard back. at this time, what are you hearing? it generates the possibility that ford is in touch with democrats? are you hearing that's taking place? >> i haven't heard that's taking place. my foe kuls has been on the
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white house, so it might have taken place. it is clear that kavanaugh has spoken with the majority committee staff, those are calls that the minority committee staff were invited to take place in and they didn't. those were also calls that ford declined to participate in. so there's been outraged that she and her lawyer have not responded to thus far. the red flag to me so far would be if she declined on monday to participate in a closed-door hearing with republicans or with the senate judiciary committee without cameras. they are affording her that opportunity. which would preserve her privacy to a certain extent. if she declined that, i think her credibility would take a hit in the eyes of lawmakers and the confirmation would be more likely to move forward. >> scott, if i could ask you this question. she -- again, we don't know what's going to happen between now and monday, as jen said things could change 1,000 times between now and then. to be clear, she has already
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made this allegation on the record. she's provided a statement with quite a detailed recollection of the circumstances of this, although some details place missing, details about her memories of what happened to her in this. does that disappear if she doesn't appear before the senate? >> no, it doesn't disappear. but if she doesn't appear to tell the story under oath, i agree that i think it causes her credibility to take a hit. especially when you consider that kavanaugh is willing to show up, under oath, and declare that this is false and it did not happen. i think we should focus on here, though, how we got to this place in that she is being put in this position by the democrats. she sent an anonymous letter that was leaked by the democrats, she never wanted it in public. now they're putting her in a position she doesn't want to be
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in, to show up and talk about this publically. the republicans are trying to give her a platform. but i think she's been treated terribly. they don't care about her victim status here. >> that's harsh. >> so says another white male like all of the white male republicans who have been out there putting her credibility on the stand instead of questioning whether a supreme court justice who's been accused of sexual assault should be on a lifetime appointment and passed through. we don't know how the information got out there. >> yes, we do, jen. you guys leaked it. let's be honest about it. how did it get out there. >> i understand why you're trying to change the subject as many people are on the republican side. as a woman accusing the supreme court nominee of sexual assault, they don't want to have this conversation. if they wanted to get to the bottom of this, they absolutely
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could, and they don't. that's what's clear. >> if we could look ahead, and again there are a lot of questions tonight. it was only yesterday we heard the lawyer say ford was willing to testify in public. and now there's questions about whether they've arranged that. if this would take place on monday, who would be questioning ford. there would be four women on the democratic side. on the gop side it's all men. republicans are now saying that they may bring outside lawyers to question ford if she comes before the committee. from the republicans' perspective, how important are the optics here? >> i think the optics for republicans are potentially damaging, and they do threaten to sort of resurrect the specter of the anita hill hearings. we already heard some of that. i think the tone and tenor of the republicans questioning her, even if they are white men, would be very different because republicans are cognizant of the
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fact of their need to take a different tone. you've heard that i think from the white house and the senate judiciary republicans. their immediate reaction was they wanted to hear from this woman, they thought she should be heard out, they invited her to testify before the committee. that's not what we heard when anita hill came forward two days before the thomas vote in 1991. >> no question about that. they delayed the vote on this and they are offering this platform. thank you very much. outfront next, death threats reports tonight that kavanaugh's accuser has been threatened and she's been forced to move out of her home. in short, she's in high school. plus kavanaugh's high school friend and defender, how did she know that kavanaugh didn't do it, we're going to ask her. floodwaters will not quit in the carolinas, millions bracing
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new and disturbing details tonight about brett kavanaugh's accuser, christine blasey ford, the "new york times" reporting since she has come forward she's been inundated with e-mail messages and social media messages and even death threats. forcing her to move out of her home and hire private security. for the second day in a row,
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brett kavanaugh was hunkered down at the white house. jeff zeleny is live there. what is the current thinking here, is the president's support waivering at all. >> reporter: the support for judge kavannaugh is not waivering at all. he's saying how there should be a process for this. every time we've seen the president, he's inched closer to talking about the politics of this. he talked about how he believes the democrats have been obstructionists and is part of the campaign against him. but at the same time he's talking in a measured tone about there should be a public hearing. that's an open question whether that will be happening or not. there is a sense that the president is aware of the politics of all of this. even though he's talking about how this seems part of an obstruction campaign by democrats he believes there should be a hearing.
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in the last couple moments here, speaking of death threats, a spokesman for chairman grassy says chairman grassley condemns all the death threats he believes there should be a public hearing. so leaders on both sides trying to cool the rhetoric on all of this. and the president included in that, he said there should be a public hearing. but he did refer to her as that womaning and said he feels sorry for what judge kavannaugh is going through. so more sympathy for the accuser. so the question is will she testify monday night behind closed door or an open setting. >> the death threats could be a reason for the delay. jeff zeleny at the white house. "outfront" now, megan mckcaleb,a high school friend of brett kavanaugh. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> how long did you know
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kavanaugh, and how well, and what is your reaction in light of that relationship to what krsk ford is alleging here. >> i met him in high school, was a good friend all through high school, college and beyond. i know that chrissy alleges that this happened, but it is wildly unlike anything brett kavanaugh would do -- the brett kavanaugh i know. >> to be clear, you attended a nearby high school, you were social friends. >> correct. >> you were not at this party that ford alleged to have happened, so you don't have personal knowledge or experience of this particular incident she's describing here? >> i do not, because i don't remember ever being at a party with her. but she also didn't say where the party was, who was there, what the day was, and it was 38 years ago, so i would have no idea. >> you also know ford, is that right? >> i don't -- no, i don't know her. i knew her when i was younger.
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like right before high school, but we went to different high schools and we did not socialize together much and she really didn't hang with our crowd much so i don't really know her, no. >> if i can, i just want to read from her written account so far of what happened here. i'm just going to quote briefly here. kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as i was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell, they locked the door, played loud music. precluding any successful attempt to yell for help. granted there are other details she has not been able to recall, although people who have handled sex crimes said that can be the case where they remember imagines and not necessarily details. when you hear that account there, do you dismiss them? >> i do not. i think she must have had some sort of a -- a horrible situation. i -- but i do not feel that
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she's accurate, that it could have been brett kavanaugh. i am friends -- i've been friends with him for years and i was one of the people who gathered women together to sign a letter that we -- that senator grassley released, and 65 women from area high schools that went to high school at the same time that he did all said he always was a gentleman. always respected women. and nothing like that has ever happened. so i -- i don't -- i -- i -- i can't explain why she would say that. >> understood. do you leave open the possibility that it could be true? that it could be credible? >> i don't. until we hear from her on monday, i just don't know. i don't think so. but i just can't judge on that. >> you do believe that she should have this public hearing for these -- for a chance to air this in public, her account of it, her recollection of it, to air it in public and under oath? >> yes. the senate judiciary said she
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would and i think that's fair. >> i imagine you believe, that brett kavanaugh, who you had this long relationship, you believe he should have the chance to answer, i imagine, the allegation in public? >> absolutely. i wish he had the chance previously when he went through two days of questioning, three really, and then the other witnesses. i wish it happened then. >> let me ask you this, according to the washington post, kavanaugh listed himself as the treasure of the keg city club, 100 kegs or bust. i don't want to mischaracterize that, a lot of people went to high school, a lot of people in high school drank, high school or drank, they drank beer, i'm not saying that by itself is out of bounds. based on your experience with him, granted this was a long time ago. did he drink a lot? did he drink in excess around you? >> no, he did not. he would have a beer, a couple beers but he never ever was out of control.
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ever. in fact, i always felt he was one of the more mature ones of that whole group of friends. >> understood. as i'm asking these questions here, i know that you know, you know, kavanaugh better and you're vouching for your opinion of his behavior, his character, et cetera, you know ford less well, or you knew her as a child. but today there was a moment when the president was asked about this. and he spoke about christine blasey ford but he never mentioned her by name. here's how the president handled it. >> i don't know about the other party but judge kavannaugh is anxious to do it. hopefully the woman will come forward, they will look at what she had to say from 36 years ago. >> the other woman, the woman, not mentioning her by name. again, emphasizing the time that has passed. you do know ford, at least you knew her as a young woman, should the president at least do her the honor of referring to
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her by her name? >> i don't know if he knew her name at the time, but i -- i feel like he made a statement, what he knew. i feel like he should have mentioned her by name, but he may not have known it at the time. >> thank you for joining us. i know it's a difficult topic. >> thank you. the only witness in the room as being said to have seen the assault is speaking out tonight. plus evangelicals supported brett kavanaugh, but is that support waivering? evangelical leader russell moore will be "outfront."
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new tonight, the other person who was allegedly in the room when brett kavanaugh allegedly assaulted christine blasey ford is speaking out now. in a letter sent to the judiciary committee mark judge and his attorney write brett kavanaugh and i were friends in high school but i do not recall the party described in dr. ford's letter.
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more to the point i never saw brett kavanaugh act in the manner dr. ford describes. however the judge's past is coming under intense scrutiny. jessica snyder is out front. >> reporter: testimony of mark judge in demand by democrats. >> i think it's important we hear from witnesses, not the least of which is mark judge. >> how could we not want to get the truth and not have mr. judge come to the hearing. >> reporter: professor christine blasey ford said mark judge was in the room at the party when she alleged brett kavanaugh, pinned her down, tried to take off her clothes. ford said judge witnessed everything. through his lawyer, judge sent a statement to the senate judiciary committeeing saying i have no memory of this incident and never saw him act in this manner described. his own memoir depicts heavy
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drinking and partying at the time brett kavanaugh was there in the early 1980s but doesn't recount any incidents like ford alleges. he writes how the all boys' high school was swimming in high school and he was shocked they got away with it. >> one needs to look at the writings of mark judge who was the other person present to know he wrote about how drunk he and other members of georgetown prep were routinely, this was part of their culture. judge seems to elude to kavanaugh. do you know bart kavanaugh? yeah, he passed out on his way to a party. they were both varsity athletes at the all boys catholic high school outside washington d.c. captions and quotes inside their class yearbook elude to parties or women, 100 kegs or bust written on kavanaugh's page.
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another page, do these guys beat their wives. judge's personal page reads certain women should be struck regularly like gongs. judge has even waded into politics, writing several articles. he even writes about former president obama, saying he seems to be a feminist, and a woman at that. and writing liberal women are nothing against women acting out against bad fathers. and mark judge telling the senate judiciary committee tonight he will not be testifying or speaking out publically because he has no memory of the alleged incident. jim, in addition we talked to a friend of kavanaugh and judge who said kavanaugh did drink beer in high school but was never out of control. judge in the meantime was a loud
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mouth apparently and a lot wilder. but the same person said they had no knowledge of the party that ford said she was assaulted by brett kavanaugh. >> wendy murphy, a former federal prosecutor. if i can start with you, mark judge said he does not want to speak publically about the sexual assault allegation. but from the perspective of this hearing that's coming, can it be a credible hearing if you don't hear from the other witness we know of at this point? >> you know, if he were not an eyewitness, jim, i would say, let's not go there. it's just too tan jensable, even if the guy has a lot of bad marks on his record and a terrible history of insulting and disrespecting women. but he was not only an eyewitness, he was a participant. let's remember that. yes, brett kavanaugh is the
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primary target and the man whose career is on the line but mark judge was accused of participating to some extent, there was slamming of the door, the music was raised up so her screams couldn't be heard and he jumped on top of both of them, which allowed her to escape. he's not just an eyewitness, that's why i think it's critical he has to be there. he has to answer questions about what he claims he doesn't recall seeing but answer questions about his own behavior in the incident. of course, if the republicans are going to put him on a long plane trip someplace because if he does testify it will highlight the most important aspect of the story, which is that we're talking about a grotesque example of violence against women that is pervasive in our society that really does raise important questions about the qualifications of a judge, even at a lower level much less the united states supreme court.
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it matters that the man accused here could sit in a position of prominence that would affect not just women's lives but all of our values and the integrity of the values of our country. it's fair, mark judge should be there, and he won't be there because he knows his testimony would destroy the judge's chances. >> assuming this goes forward, this would be two witnesses as currently planned in this hearing. if the intention here is to properly explore and investigate this allegation and judge the credibility of both of these witnesses, does the committee need to hear from others? >> i think there's no question, jim. whenever you're dealing with what i'll call a one-on-one, a situation like this where there's only two people who were present and have a recollection, although obviously the point that was just made a moment ago is an excellent one, i agree that mr. judge should be subpoenaed and his testimony is
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vital because obviously dr. ford has indicated he was part of the incident, and that is her recollection. but clearly you need to have other witnesses who either corroborate or undercut the testimony. there's a lot of witnesses that could be called here. for example, the therapist, assuming that dr. ford was willing to waive the privilege there. her husband and others who could support the testimony and corroborate her testimony. and then there would be other witnesses, presumably who could support judge kavannaugh as well. >> wendy, certainly a lot riding on the line here. we're hearing tonight, "new york times" reporting that ford is receiving death threats, that she's had to move out of her home, hire private security. you have represented clients, i imagine, in situations like this, but barely -- certainly not with this public attention to it. is that a common thing? >> i wish i could say it's rare.
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i actually think intimidation tactics run the gamut from here's a promise i'll never do it again or here's some cash, or i'll kill you if you testify. i'm not surprised. but i think we have to put it in context. if she were not credible, she would not be getting death threats. people are trying to silence her. people always try to silence women to keep them from telling their stories. that's one of the reasons the me too movement is so powerful. women are done being silent. so i hope she does come forward. i don't think anyone will kill her, and i think she will be heroic when she testifies. >> renatto, the president made clear today he does not want the fbi to investigate this allegation, just a reminder, the president has asked the fbi to investigate a whole host of things, have a listen. >> the democrats have had massive collusion, massive obstruction, and they should be
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investigated. >> why isn't the fbi looking at the dnc server? >> also on twitter saying in part that the fbi and all others should be looking into the leaking of classified information, must find leaker now. so a lot of cases there, those are just a few. hypocrisy by the president to say the fbi has no business, no interest to look into this? >> no question. trump views the fbi has his own force that should be used to investigate his political opponents and his enemies and then i think recently suggested that the attorney general should have quashed the investigations of his political allies. so there's no question here. if you really want to have a nonpartisan professional investigation, you'd have the fbi do it. they're professionals, not a bunch of senators who will use this to score political points and potentially embarrass dr. ford. it would be better if the fbi was doing it but it doesn't look
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like that's going to happen. >> thank you both very much. up next, the evangelicals were part of the brett kavanaugh base. has this shaken the base in them? the kavanaugh chaos now front and center in florida's red hot senate race. >> doctor ford needs to come and give an opportunity to testify. time. it shouldn't be measured by clocks. it should be measured by how long steak & lobster is back at outback. back by popular demand,
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president trump with glowing praise tonight for brett kavanaugh. >> this is not a man that deserves this. it's a shame, because this is a great gentleman. honestly, i feel terribly for him, for his wife. who is an incredible, lovely woman. and for his beautiful young daughters. i feel terribly for them. >> what the president did not say is that he feels terrible at all for the accuser, christine blasey ford or even mention her name. "outfront" is russell more, evangelical, and the author of a new book on the stormed tossed
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family, all the crisis in the american family today. thank you for taking the time. >> thanks for having me. >> quite a moment there. the president didn't show really a shred of empathy towards kavanaugh's accuser there. is that a mised opportunity for him. >> i'm more than willing to criticize this president, the white house when they need it. i was encouraged for instance with what kellyanne conway had to say this morning. we need to not ignore the charges, we need to respect professor ford, have an open hearing. >> why can't the president say those words? >> he was restrained from what he has been in other settings so i'm not sure what was going through his mind at the moment. i was encouraged by the kellyanne conway comments and several other things from the white house. i think it's a con dpfusing tim and a very serious time. so i think we need to look for a hearing. we need to attempt to find out the truth. >> these are serious allegations
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from christine blasey ford against brett kavanaugh. do you believe them? >> well, i think we need to -- we need to hear from both parties involved. so i'm looking forward to the open hearing. obviously, if this did happen, that would be disqualifying and obviously if this did not happen, it would be a horrible thing to wrongfully accuse someone of doing. so that's what i'm hearing mostly from evangelicals, is what's going on? we need to hear from both of the parties involved. frankly, i'm dealing almost every day both with young women who have been assaulted and abused. i don't want them to hear from whatever political debate is going on don't come forward, don't tell your story. and i'm often dealing with people in the criminal justice system who have been wrongfully accused of doing things they haven't done. so i don't want us to rush to judgment simply on the basis of where our political convictions lie. we need to hear from both
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parties involved and take this very seriously. >> what do you do if on monday, assuming ford takes the invitation to go forward, you have kavanaugh there and you hear two credible stories from two credible people that are in contradiction? what do you do then? >> well, i don't know. i'm going to wait and listen to both of them, hear what both of them have to say. i think right now we're starting to hear from people who know from both of them. you had people that know judge kavannaugh -- i've heard a lot from people who have known judge kavannaugh for many years, but we need to hear from professor ford as well. i think the danger here is to immediately go into either people e vis rating professor ford or people immediately e viz rating judge kavannaugh. we need to listen here and find out what the truth is. the problem is we're living in a time where everyone wants to have every situation immediately adjudicated in time to put a
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post on facebook. the charges here are so serious and the implications are so serious for abused women and girls, either to ignore it or to trivialize it would be a mistake. >> democrats are asking for more time. they're asking for the fbi to investigate it. where the republicans are saying, have the hearing on monday, then we'll move forward with the vote. that doesn't seem to be what you're looking for -- >> i'm saying let's have an open hearing, see what comes out in the open hearing. i think that's where most of the senate seems to be right now. the president said if we have to have a little delay to go through the hearings, let's do that. i think that's really where most of the country is right now and where most of the senate is right now. >> you supported this choice, this nomination by the president of brett kavanaugh. is that still 100%? >> obviously, if anyone had committed this act, that would
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be disqualifying. there's been a charge made, we need to hear the charge. and so, i think we need to go into this with open minds, listening to both of these two people, having respect for both of them. again, the act that's being charged here is horrific and awful and should be condemned under any circumstances. and if this did not happen, destroying someone's reputation falsely would also be a horrible act. so we need to listen to both of these two people and the senate has a big job adjudicating it. >> if true you're saying it's disqualifying. >> of course. but judge kavannaugh is saying it's not true. and many around him are saying it's not true. we need to hear from them all. >> russell moore, thanks very much. "outfront" next, president trump looming large in a senate seat in florida.
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the accusations against brett kavanaugh have not only rocked capitol hill, they are front and center on the campaign trail. case in point, one of the most expensive and competitive races in the country, the florida senate race, where republican governor rick scott is challenging senator bill nelson. ryan nobles is out front. >> reporter: it's one of the hottest senate races in the country. as a result, big issues in washington quickly become front and center in florida.
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do you believe dr. ford? >> we have to take it seriously. i think it's important to hear. then give judge kavanaugh -- he has a good record as a -- very good record as a judge. we need to have him get the same opportunity. >> reporter: rick scott, attempting to strike a balance on the controversy surrounding brett kavanaugh. >> senator feinstein had allegations months ago. they should have been investigated months ago. it was a slick trick before there was going to be a vote. you have to take it seriously. >> reporter: the controversy is one example of how this is tied to the whims of washington. this seat, which could play a big role in determines who controls the senate, is vital to the national conversation. that means dealing with the impact of president trump. >> if it's good for florida, i agree with the president. if it's bad for florida, i will oppose the president. >> reporter: scott's opponent,
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bill nelson, has worked hard to tie the governor to trump. running an ad in spanish targeting the state's hispanic population. florida democrats believe no matter how hard he tries, scott cannot escape the specter of trump. >> governor scott is on the side of governor scott and donald trump. i don't think that he has stood up to the president when it mattered. >> thank you, mr. president. >> reporter: scott who was happy to appear by the president's side has no plans to invite president trump to florida. scott said he would have no problem campaigning with the president whose approval ratings are better in the sunshine state than nationally. scott, who recently broke with the president over the death toll in puerto rico from hurricane maria, insists voters will judge him on his record, not how he deals with trump. >> if i can make washington responsive. if you go around the state, it's
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local issues. >> reporter: there's evidence of democratic energy on the ground in florida. they are running candidates in every congressional house district and have seen a big uptick in candidates in the state legislative races. state officials believe that will bring more democratic voters to the polls, helping nelson. scott, who has kept up a rigorous campaign schedule, was met with a big group of protesters at an event in naples as part of a lengthy bus tour across the state. to give you an example of how the national issues are quickly becoming a big part of this senate race, both candidates were forced to address this issue of judge kavanaugh today. in our interview, governor scott claimed bill nelson was attempting to avoid a meeting with brett kavanaugh. when i asked senator nelson's office about that, the senator called me on the phone to rebut that claim saying he tried to set up a meeting on four
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floodwaters rising in the carolinas after hurricane florence. it could get worse in the next few hours. one river, four times higher than normal, and still has not crested. 4 million people are under flood warnings in the carolinas tonight. miguel marquez is out front from
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fayetteville. how much worse could this get? >> reporter: it could get a lot more dangerous out here. i want to show you where we are. we are on the cape fear river. that's the grove street bridge here in fayetteville. the water has been coming up. that gap in between the river and that bridge is getting closer and closer together. we're on the person street bridge right now. this is how close the water is to it. look at this. this is an entire tree. this is the sort of debris that has been flowing down the river. it just keeps coming. it's incredible how big the trees are when they are horizontal like that. that sort of debris lab backing up against this railroad bridge. for the last eight or ten hours, it's building up debris. officials think it will be okay. the water still has to rise another foot or so.
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12,000 homes along both sides of the river in fayetteville alone. one other thing to show you here is that streetlight. the water has been rising against that. that should be at the base of a boat ramp where the ground usually is. now it's 20 or 30 feet over its banks. we have a drone up over the person street bridge. if he can fly over, you can see us here waving. the drone -- give you a better sense of that train bridge there and just what sort of debris is pushing up against that bridge. it seems to be holding right now. it's pushing water now into the neighborhoods off to the side because it's so high. right now, they say they feel they have done everything they possibly can. now they just have to wait for
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this bulge of water to get down not only this river but hundreds of other rivers and tributaries around the state before they can declare this disaster over. >> storm is gone, danger is still there. thanks for joining us today. ac 360 starts right now. good evening. we begin with breaking news you will only see here. the woman accusing supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her wants the fbi to investigate her allegations before talking to the senate judiciary committee about it. we know this because 360 has exclusively obtained a letter her attorneys have moments ago sent to chuck grassley. it lays out in stark terms the price she says she and her family are already paying. grassley wants her to appear before the committee. republicans want to speed the nomination along. democrats want to go slow. president trump says judge kavanaugh doesn't deserve this. until now, we do not knowha