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us. "inside politics" with john king starts in just a few seconds. questions over kavanaugh's confirmation. his accuser says she's ready to testify. republican leaders say they aren't worried. >> judge kavanaugh will be on the united states supreme court. keep the faith. don't get rattled by all of this. plus after a shocking report on rod rosenstein, the president says changes could be coming at the justice department. >> there's a lingering stench and we're going to get rid of that, too. and a texas-sized showdown.
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betow and cruz. >> this is why people don't like washington, d.c. you just said something i did not say and attributed it to me. >> the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm dana bash in for john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. christine blasey-ford, the woman who accused brett kavanaugh of sexual assault when they were in high school has tentatively agreed to appear before the senate judiciary committee on thursday. notice the careful wording of the president -- excuse me, the message that ford's attorney sent to the committee on saturday. dr. ford accepts the committee's request to provide her first-hand knowledge of brett kavanaugh's sexual misconduct next week. what is still unclear is who will do the questioning. both parties have arranged to pick up negotiations today and the anticipation is already
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building. on the judge report, simple summation of the reality senators will face. he says, she says, thursday. kavanaugh adamantly denies the allegation and says he want the opportunity to publicly defend himself. he's getting help from the president, who insists kavanaugh is an ideal pick. >> he was born -- you talk about central casting. he was born -- they were saying it ten years ago about him. he was born for the u.s. supreme court. he was born for it. it's going to happen. we have to fight for him. not worry about the other side. and by the way, women are for that more than anybody would understand. >> a major conservative conference on friday and his message to the base was don't worry. >> in the very near future,
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judge kavanaugh will be on the united states supreme court. so, my friends, keep the faith. don't get rattled by all of this. we're going to plow right through it and do our job. >> and just last night, cnn learned the name of a fourth person that was identified as being at the party. long-time ford friend leyland kaiser says she has no memory of it. a statement was released saying simply put, ms. keyser does not know mr. kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with or without, dr. ford. she added she believes dr. ford's account. with us to share the reporting and their insights, michael bender, "times" molly ball, and cnn's manu raju.
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good morning, one and all. thank you for being here. i want to dig a little bit more into that fourth witness, alleged witness who was allegedly at that party all those years ago. first with a white house statement responding to it. one week ago, dr. christine ford claimed she was at a house party attended by four others. since then all four have denied knowledge of the incident or even having attended such a party. i want to show you what deborah katz said about this fourth person. it is also unremarkable that ms. keyser does not remember attending a specific gathering 30 years ago the which nothing of consequence ever happened to her. dr. ford, of course, will never forget this gathering because of what happened to her there. so, there is an attempt to try to get more than a, as matt
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drudge said, he said, she said, on thursday, by getting corroborating witness, of which they have failed. both of these statements have good points. the white house saying, okay, no one can corroborate and professor ford's lawyer saying, of course, who would remember a party 30 years ago when nothing happened? it's a reminder that it's going to be these two statements and these two explanations of what did or didn't happen that is going to have to rule the day. >> yeah, that's right. and that's one of the sticking points of this hearing on thursday. they've tentatively agreed to it but there are a few points that have to be ironed out. one of which is whether or not there will be outside witnesses and the white house has long believed that time is on their side, that the pressure, as far as timing goes, is on dr. ford,
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the more she delays this, the more it will cast doubt on what happened to her 30 years ago. if this doesn't happen on thursday, for some reason she would pull out, the white house believes that that would play into their hands as well. >> there's a reason for not wanting outside witnesses. republicans are adamant against having outside witnesses. right now, the witnesses have made those statements that they don't remember it or deny it happened but if they were questioned by senators or potentially outside counsel, perhaps there may be some wiggle room or they made may shed some light about the character of brett kavanaugh, what was happening at that time that could open up to a whole slew of questions about brett kavanaugh's past, and that is exactly what republicans and the white house do not want. it would be surprising if they ultimately agreed to outside witnesses. that is one thing that republicans are saying will not happen. ultimately it will come down to a he said, she said and senators will have to judge his credibility because of that.
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>> we remember -- although it was only two days ago. it seems like in dog years these days, seems like a long time ago. the president finally sent a tweet that was maybe more in keeping with the kind of reaction he has to these kinds of things as opposed to the restraint he had for the whole week. and that is being very aggressive. here is what he said on friday. i have no doubt that if the attack on dr. ford was as bad as she says, charges would have immediately -- been immediately filed with local law enforcement authorities by either her or her loving parents. i ask that she bring those filings forward so that we can learn date, time and place. the radical left lawyers want the fbi to get involved now. why didn't someone call the fbi 36 years ago? our phil mattingly is now reporting that the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, called the president on friday and said, please don't do that. it's not helpful. >> there's a reason that
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republicans spent all week, both relieved and nervous by the president's restraint. and then when he finally broke that restraint, this is exactly what they were trying to avoid. exactly what they were trying to avoid -- you know, first of all, just bringing trump into this. having him once again call a woman a liar, who has come forward with an allegation. and just really pressing that button in a year when women were already so galvanized, so up in arms, a nomination that women were already quite mobilized about to remind women of the way these situations play out and an outpouring of why victims don't come forward. all it did was serve to unbury this issue and really create even more of a public debate about that. >> what the president said also sort of ignores the reality of sexual assault. often, women do not talk about what happened for years.
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sometimes there's a feeling of shame. especially decades ago when women didn't have the sort of empowerment that they do now with the me too movement. so, saying -- for the president to say why didn't she file an fbi report that night? that's not reality from back then either. obviously, republicans can't be seen as attacking her. and i think they are trying to make sure while supporting kavanaugh that they're careful what they say about her. they're specifically asking to bring in a lawyer to question her when she is appearing this thursday. they don't want to be the one, 11 republican men, questioning a woman when she was assaulted. that speaks to how careful they need to be. >> all week brett kavanaugh was at the white house, preparing for this moment, incredible make or break moment. "the washington post" has interesting reporting this morning about what they call the murder boards when a witness goes and practices, some
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potential questions that they'll face. kavanaugh grew frustrated when it came to questions that dug into his private life, particularly his drinking habits and his sexual proclivities, according to three people familiar with the preparations, who requested anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. he declined to answer saying they were too personal. he's going to get personal questions. >> that was actually the game plan, that they were trying to push his buttons as much as possible, in order for him to get frustrated in the privacy f of -- >> right. >> the privacy the of the white house. >> but to say that's too personal? >> they want him to be able to get that out now and come up with an answer to when that
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question would inevitably come up, whether it's from other attorneyors democratic senators on this committee. >> that's why this hearing is going to be so difficult for kavanaugh to navigate and why republicans in the white house are so worried about this hearing taking place. yesterday the white house came out, raising significant concerns about -- they believe the discussions on the hearing about it going well. they have criticized ford's camp for dragging their feet on this. the reality is that they are very concerned about how this could play out because of things like this. these personal questions, her testimony -- and if she's a credible witness it will be difficult for democratic senators to ultimately vote yes. and that is the fear here. where does it go from here if he goes down? >> so many unbelievable elements
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to this and dynamics to this and that is the key one. it will be up to these senators, four in particular, to decide who they believe. we think thursday, but could change by the end of the day. we'll see. up next, after a bombshell report about rod rosenstein, some of the president's top allies are warning him, don't make any moves. at least not yet. having moderate to severe plaque psoriasis is not always easy. it's a long-distance journey, and you have the determination to keep going. humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for over 10 years. humira works inside the body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to symptoms.
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on this sunday morning in washed, rod rosenstein is still the attorney general, for now. sources tell cnn that the president is being told not to fire rod rosen stooin. he discussed secretly recording his conversations with the president. not just that, "the times" says he brought up invoking the 25th amendment to remove him from office. colleagues say the sar comment were meant to be sarcastic. rosenstein says let me be clear about this. based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th amendment. in a second statement issued after a friday night damage control meeting at the white house, now rosenstein is adding,
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i never pursued or authorized recording the president and any suggestion that i ever advocated the removal of the president is absolutely false. president trump hasn't commented directly but has said this. listen on friday in missouri. >> we have great people in the department of justice. we have great people. these are people -- i really believe you take a poll, i've got to be at 95%. you have some real bad ones. you see what's happened at the fbi? they're all gone. they're all gone. but there's a lingering stench and we're going to get rid of that, too. >> now let me just read something that "the new york times" deputy managing editor put in the paper yesterday, to respond to this notion that rosenstein was kidding. this is what it said. just because you don't like the
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facts, don't comfort yourself by dismissing the story as fake or credulous reporting. this story is based on months of reporting. the doj claim that rosenstein was sarcastic when he suggested that he wear a wire on trump is not supported by our reporting or others. very interesting. you don't see that kind of pushback by an editor. you tell me. you guys have editors. to the tone of what was intended in a report. >> it was really remarkable that the minute this report came out it set off this flurry of theorizing and conspiracy theories, frankly, of why this story was done exactly. i think people really overestimate the sense to which a source can plant a story in the "new york times." it's not that easy. as the editor said, this was a result of months of reporting. all the ulterior motives being
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attributed are probably not true. reporter tries to take that into account. there is conflicted reporting of what the tone was of rosenstein's remark. to me the remarkable thing was that you have the department of justice confirming he said this and just quibbling about the tone. the doj doesn't seem to be contesting that he did make this offhand comment and the question is, was it meant seriously or not? >> this whole thing is baffling to me. the president's allies on capitol hill and conservative talk show hosts, they've been gunning for rosenstein for a long time. they've attacked him on tv, saying he basically created the special counsel, this russia investigation that's going after the president, trying to undercut him. you have an impeachment resolution over document production that rosenstein apparently hasn't been giving republicans on the hill documents quick enough. now they have this report, this bombshell report. you would think they would latch
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on to it, call for him to be fired, impeach him, but they're not. they're saying this is a trap. and i think this actually speaks to a change in tone with republicans and specifically trump allies. they are more cautious as we get closer to the mid term elections and are also afraid, of course, of the president potentially hurting himself regarding obstruction of justice, that this could feed into that narrative. >> i think all of those factors are weighing on this. the trap, that is basically what the message is from many of the president's allies, particularly a certain cable channel that he watches and takes cues from a lot and that is fox news. watch this. >> if you were laying a trump for donald trump, why do andy mccabe want me to fire
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rosenstein? >> under zero circumstances should the president fire anybody. the president needs to know it is all a setup. >> the president is somebody who is -- has not dismissed conspiracy theories before. is that a diplomatic way to say that? and so the fact that they are saying this to him, i agree with you, is fascinating. we should also underscore the conversation that rosenstein apparently was having was with mccabe, who is, you know, somebody who the republicans can't stand, think he was just a democrat democratic shill inside the fbi. >> and republican leadership, in particular, that if trump does something that spawns more chaos in the administration, that is going to severely hurt them, heading into the midterms. when you talk to republicans, they point to specific episodes
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that led them to the situation they're in now, the helsinki incident when donald trump embraced vladimir putin. if there's suggestion that he's tampering further with the russia investigation, that could hurt his standing in the eyes of republican voters and suburban districts as we head into the midterms and hurt their candidates down ballot. >> and yet from his own secretary of state, new this morning, a suggestion maybe coming from the other side of that argument. watch this. >> i've been pretty clear since my beginning of service here in this administration. if you can't be on the team, if you're not supporting this mission, then maybe you just ought to find something else to do. >> i assume talking about wiring the president, talking about the
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25th amendment is not being on the table. >> not remotely. >> rod rosenstein, remember, threatened to quit over how comey was fired, how he was sort of used as leverage to fire comey. he was not happy about that and unnerved by the wild west days of the west wing in trump's first few months. but the fact that -- it is baffling, to use rachel's word here. but even a step back, that the deputy attorney general could be such a lightning rod and to possibly effect the midterm elections is sort of a moment in -- just underscores the era we're in right now with trump. and to bring you inside of it a little bit, we at ""the wall
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street journal"" wrote that the relationship between trump and rosenstein had actually improved. this was coming from night the white house, that white house officials -- basically the number one over at the department of justice. that story published and i heard from so many trump allies that we had gotten duped. i pointed them to the first quote in our story which rose from president trump, who, when he heard we were working on the story, made a point of saying that my relationship with rosenstein is excellent. >> fascinating. >> how this gets spun by both sides has been -- >> we should also remember that rod rosenstein is the one who appointed robert mueller and he is the one who is going to receive whatever robert mueller mueller writes. aside from the fact that he is helping run the justice department, that's another really key factor, the key factor you're pointing out, manu. how kavanaugh's confirmation
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the sexual assault allegations against brett kavanaugh have both democrats and republicans rushing to define the supreme court nominee. listen to this ad from the liberal group ultra violet action. >> almost 30 years after anita hill and after me too and roy moore, republican senators have not changed. they're still blaming a survivor of sexual assault instead of believing her, saying she was mistaken and mixed up. don't put another sexual predator on the supreme court. >> and on the other side, female
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friends and colleagues of kavanaugh stood up to defend the nominee in a press conference this week. >> the allegation against brett is inconsistent with everything that i have known about him as a person. i have never seen him be anything but a true gentleman in all aspects of his life. >> whether or not these allegations against brett kavanaugh turn out to be true, they have taken a toll on the public's perception of him. for the first time, more registered voters now disapprove than approve of confirming kavanaugh. taking a deeper dive in the numbers, he is under water by 16 points among independents, 14 points by women and 21 points among college-educated women. molly ball, you have the cover story in "time" this week, "what changed." i want to read part of your great piece. while the political spectacle
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may be similar, this battle will unfold in a different era. referring to anita hill. every week brings now variations on the theme of women, racked with pain and rage, rising up in protest after too many years of trauma and terrified silence. every week, too, has brought fresh reminders of the extent to which our whole reality is the product of the privilege and prejudices of entitled men. >> harvey weinstein, al franken, all these men that have been brought down by variations on some kind of allegation of sexual behavior and i think that a lot of women have realized the extent to which these men's perspectives shaped our world. and that applies to the supreme court as well, to look at a supreme court that has been overwhelmingly male and to realize the degree to which that determines how the laws are interpreted in this country, in the same way that who populates
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the senate determines what gets turned into law. and so, you know, this was already the major cultural dynamic of our time and so to have this come out about the supreme court nominee, who was already controversial for reasons relating to a lot of these same themes, who the -- his supporters from the very beginning took pains to present as a friend to women. he talked so much about his mother and daughters and had the coach support him as he start this had hearing. >> his daughter zpls and his daughters and to have this become the central controversy is almost too fitting for the times we live in. >> it really is. yet you make a point about the cultural change, but also maybe the delay. maybe it's generational. maybe it's gender. you have seen that and showed us that in your -- walking your
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miles and miles and miles every day through the halls of capitol hill. i want to show you a conversation with orrin hatch, who was on the senate in 1992 during the anita hill hearings and is still. >> he is a strong, decent man. >> and you believe him? >> i sure do. >> do you believe the accuser at all? >> i think she's mistaken. >> women like dr. ford who come forward very bravely to tell her story, which, by the way, is very credible and i believe her, need to be supported. >> it really is, as molly said, every element of this cultural tidal wave we're seeing right now playing right into this critical, critical decision about the swing vote on the u.s. supreme court. >> and will affect americans lives for a generation to come. someone who could sit on the court 30 some years or so which is why it's a hugely significant
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week as we head into this hearing. going back to what hatch was saying, it's going to be a way to not go after her personally or necessarily question that this incident took place, to question that she's mistaking him for another man or another high school kid at the time, questioning whether or not her memory is completely solid on this significant situation that occurred. that will be difficult to do without impugning her character and integrity. if they do that the way that president trump started to do on twitter last week, that's what really concerns him of ultimately getting him on the court. >> and pressure, obviously, by people who are sort of entrenched on both sides of how they view this i was out in colorado, covering a very
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important battleground district where independent suburban voters, particularly women, are key. i asked him about this. you can see how much everybody is struggling with this. watch. >> he's probably going to end up on the supreme court, if not someone very similar to him will be. so i guess i would like to see it delayed but i don't know what difference it will make ultimately. >> there's only the one. i could be totally wrong but -- and that is high school. what do we know when we're in high school? i mean, sure, we know right and wrong, but it's been, what, 30 years ago? so one thing does not make a person a bad person. >> i should say that those are two women who told me they were likely voting for the democrat. >> yeah. this is a problem, especially for house republicans, because the republican majority in the
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house runs through the suburbs and we've heard from leadership time and time again that the key voting constituency they need are women. women, with republicans wanting to push this through -- ind that republicans want to get kavanaugh on the bench by october 1st and get him confirmed before the midterms in case the senate democrats take the chamber but the sort of time crunch on this, pushing this through, it's really going to turn off women around the country. that's going to be a problem, especially for house republicans. >> well, that's clearly why mitch mcconnell called the president and said can you just ease up on the gas, on your twitter feed? and he did. we haven't seen it since friday. we'll see. take a quick break. up next, president trump is in full campaign mode. will he be a boost, though, or a drag on republicans in the m midterms? first, talk about sibling rivalry, watch this act.
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it's in arizona. the democrat untrying to unseat incumbent congressman gosar found these people who help him. >> paul gosar, the congressman, isn't doing anything to help rural america. >> paul is absolutely not working for his district and he's not working for you and he doesn't have your interest at heart. my name is tim gosar. >> grace gosar. >> paul gosar is my brother. >> my brother. >> my brother. >> and i endorse dr. brill wholeheartedly. >> wholeheartedly.
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six weeks until the midterms. president trump campaigned this week for senate republican candidates in missouri, nevada and tried to cast this election as all about him. >> a poll came out. they said everybody's going out
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in 2020 because they want to vote for you. they want to vote for the president. but they're not maybe coming out in 2018. get out in 2018 because you're voting for me in 2018. you're voting for me. >> making the midterms a referendum on trump is a double-edged sword for the gop. they need him to bring out his base but also fear his low approval rating and daily controversies will bring down republicans and while the democrats still face a battle to retake the senate, republicans also face the possibility that their majority may be in jeopardy. ted cruz is facing a strong challenge from betow o'rourke. they fasd on in an intense
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debate. >> i have a responsibility which is to fight for every person here and every person in this state. and so i have worked hand in hand with the president on substance. we have delivered remarkable victories. >> if the president attacks you personally, your wife, your father, how you respond is your business. >> thank you. >> but when the president attacks our institutions, allows a foreign power to invade our democracy, that is our business. we need a u.s. senator who will stand up to this president. >> that's not so subtle. >> no. democrats are more than happy to make this election about donald trump. but, you know, what the numbers show right now, i think we probably all -- i think we would all consider it a major upset if republicans hold control of the house in november. but the interesting thing is that that could be a real day of reckoning for the trump base and even the president himself. the trump base, republican voters take the president at his word.
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i had a conversation with a former trump adviser who said that he was basically acosted in public by a trump supporter talking about the coming red wave. if you believe the fake news by the president's line about the fake news and you don't believe you're at risk here. i think the president buys that, too. we reported at a private fund-raiser people who pay a lot of money to be in the room with the president, who pay a lot of attention to the polls, that the president stood up in front of them and said that any republican who supports him will not lose in november. telling them how can we lose? >> that red wave is -- gop leaders are concerned about that talking point specifically. there was a great story in "the new york times" two days ago where speaker ryan sat with trump and said please stop talking about a red wave. we need people to show up at the polls if we have any prayer at keeping the majority. the other are distractions. a couple of weeks ago -- about a
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week ago, republicans were meeting, talking about their messaging going into october. house republicans will be out. they're going to be on the trail. and they were talking about tax cuts, the economy, play up these things. meanwhile the president is tweeting about puerto rico and the fact that he doesn't believe that 3,000 people died. this is specifically the distraction they don't need right now. >> it really is so tough for republicans to figure out what to do with the president because he is somebody who galvanizes the base and this rnc memo that bloomberg reported about this week, 57% of people who describe themselves as strong trump supporters don't believe democrats have a chance. so him getting out there is really important in some of these areas. >> no question. it's been interesting to see how the different republican candidates, incumbents, are doing with this. dean heller in nevada, who is in a very difficult race, purple state, state that the president lost, latino voters.
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he's embracing the president after initially distancing himself early on in the trump presidency because he's made the calculation he needs to hug on to the president very tightly because he needs to drive up support. it's different anyway lot of ways in past election cycles where a presses who has been very unpopular, the party runs away from. so many are embracing him. >> it's true, nevada will be one to watch to see whether or not that workers whether it's better to stay away. >> coming up, reporter also share a page from their noteb noteboks, including how democrats will map out their investigation if they do win the house. from insurance to savings to retirement, it takes someone with experience and knowledge who can help me build a complete plan. brian, my certified financial planner™ professional,
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let's close this hour by heading around the "inside politics" table and asking our great reporters to share a page from their notebooks and help you get out ahead of the big political news just around the corner. mike? >> white house officials have talked about replacing fema director brock long based on his inappropriate use of government vehicles. got a major show of support from the department of homeland security secretary but still is not quite in the clear yet. for one, part of the agreement between nielsen and long is that
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he will repay the government for the travel. it's in the tens of thousands of dollars and they're looking up his relationship with fema contractors and at least one instance that includes discussions of future employment. >> one of those many things that would be huge headlines if not for everything else making huge headlines in this administration. molly? >> we talk a lot about how enthusiastic the democratic base is, and what an advantage that is for democrats in the midterms. one place that democrats are worried could be a weakness and that's latino voters. some of the crucial house races in california, texas, and florida. also the senate races in places like nevada, arizona, florida again and even texas, democrats are increasingly worried that they are not seeing latino voters galvanized in the same way that women have been and
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african-americans have been and that's a concern in the trump era and it's a concern for the most crucial races on the midterm map. >> fascinating. >> beware an unexpected government shutdown. fingers crossed it won't happen but the government runs out of money on sunday and gop leaders think they have convinced the president to sign all their spending bills and kick any shutdown fight with his border wall to mexico till after the election. some advisers are encouraging him to go for it now, that it will not hurt his base, but gop leaders disagree. >> i feel like i've seen this movie before. >> yes. multiple times. >> exactly. manu? >> dana, house democrats are not in the majority yet. they've not won the majority but they're planning as if they will take the majority in the fall.
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already i'm told the potential chairmen of key committees have been meeting and discussing how they would carry out investigations of the trump administration should they take the majority. they've had discussions with the house minority leader, nancy pelosi, who could be speaker if they take the house. nonetheless one of the big things they're trying to make sure they do not duplicate the investigations because there are several committees who are pushing very hard for -- looking to a variety of issues, from immigration to travel controversies to, of course, the russia investigation, that the democrats in the house believe was not carried out appropriately. expect those subpoenas to be flying in all sorts of directions. that's the biggest concern for the trump administration in the new potential democratic majority. democrats are divided over impeachment but investigations will be coming very aggressively in the new congress if democrats win. >> so many things that could and
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will happen if the democrats do take over congress but particularly the house. and i'm sure you all are hearing this as well, especially you at the white house, that that is what the president understands more than anything. his agenda might be derailed a bit but the democrats having the gavel and having that subpoena power, particularly in the house, where it's just a majority can issue a subpoena could change everything. everybody, thank you so much for everything, for emptying your notebooks and joining us on this early hour sunday morning. thank you for joining "inside politics." again, thank you for sharing your sunday morning here. catch us weekdays as well at noon eastern and up next, state of the union with jake tapper. u.n. ambassador nikki haley and senator mazie hirono. hey allergy muddlers.
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