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in 2017 and discussed using the 25th amendment to the constitution to oust him. both claims rosenstein denieden. what's the latest, evan and what are you learning? >> the very latest is that rod rosenstein is on the way back to the justice department where he met with the steve of staff. how much longer is he going to stay in that job? he has a meeting scheduled with the president on thursday where they will discuss the comments you mentioned. these reports emerged about comments he made last year. weeks into his tenure and whether or not he will be able to stay in this job. wolf, it has been clear that rod rosenstein expected this day to come. he certainly did not expect it to be today. he expected that certainly those comments when they reported on friday and he issued a set of

denials, both denials he issued on friday and he thought they were going to be jump and it appears where he met with john kelly and as a result of that meeting, he is expecting to meet the president when he comes back from the united nations later this week. we will wait to see if he will survive that meeting on thursday. keep in mind, rod rosenstein's position as the deputy attorney general. he is the top official at the justice department overseeing the robert mueller investigation. that's why there is a lot of nervousness and attention as to whether he stays or goes. at this point right now he is still the deputy attorney general. i believe just a few minutes away from entering the justice department, returning to his job. he attended a meeting at the white house at the end of his meeting with john kelly, he sat for another meeting according to

officials who were briefed. it appears that a lot of conjecture and confusion this morning will not be settled at least until thursday when the president gets back to washington. is he about to get fired or resigned now that he met with the chief of staff, john kelly. in an interview, president trump would not say whether or not he plans to fire rosenstein. >> i think it's a very sad story. people are obviously -- we are looking into it, but it's a very sad state of affairs when something like that can happen. i don't want to comment on it until i get all the facts. i haven't gotten all the facts. it's being looked at in terms of what took place, if anything took place. >> let's go to the chief white

house correspondent outside trump tower where the president is and what are you hearing from white house officials? >> sarah sanders, the press secretary finally after all of this reporting going back and forth as to what would happen for the deputy attorney general put out a statement saying he has not been fired or resigned. he is going to meet with the president on thursday. we can put this up on screen. it's cautiously worded, we should note. at the request of deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, he and president trump had an extended conversation to discuss the recent news stories and because the president is at the united nations general ay is sem me and has meetings with leaders around the world, they will meet on thursday in washington, d.c. this meeting with rod rosenstein and the president will happen on the same day as this high

profile, very high stakes hearing that is to take place featuring the supreme court nominee, and his accuser, christine blasey ford. thursday is going to be a double super bowl day when it comes to news in washington. it seems and i should point out just before the statement came out from the white house press secretary, i heard from a very good source close to the process who said that rod rosenstein was at the white house earlier this morning and he was there for a previously scheduled meeting. in addition that, he was still on the job. the question is whether or not perhaps he was heading over to the white house thinking because of these discussions taking place over the weekend about his fate that perhaps he thought going into the meetings at the white house this morning that he was going to lose his job. at the end of the day, that did not happen. a couple of other notes we should point out, wolf, you mentioned the 25th amendment that rod rosenstein was engaged

in. that did come up earlier this morning at a press conference featuring mike pompeo. the un ambassador nikki haley and security adviser. i asked nikki haley and mike pompeo whether or not in the early days of the administration during any time in the administration, were they ever aware of any conversations involving the 25th amendment and both high level officials in the administration said not only had they never heard of these types of conversations going on, but they felt those conversations if they had ever taken place or the notion they would were absurd and ridiculous. even if rod rosenstein thought it would be a good idea to invoke the 25th amendment and take it from nikki haley and mike pompeo, they had never been interested and being a part of any scheme to invoke the 25th amendment and have the president

removed from office. >> lots of uncertainty with the president. thank you very much. obviously a great deal to discuss. let's bring in the former department of justice prosecutor and cnn legal analyst laura coats and dana bash and gloria borger. rosenstein's fate is up in the air. >> i don't think this is a marriage that can be saved. you have a band-aid until the president gets back from new york city with all of his meetings with the foreign leaders at the united nations general assembly. they had an extended conversation. the president has no love for rosenstein. he should resign rather than being fired, but i don't think there is any way to save this relationship at this particular point. i think they are just putting it off until the president is back in town and rosenstein will continue doing his job for three

or four more days. >> how do you see it? >> i have been speaking to sources in the republican party who are engaged in this with the white house who say very opposite things which i think speaks to why we are where we are with this massive confusion. one source i spoke to said it would be a very big mistake for the president to fire rod rosenstein. they had conversations with the white house to thatffect. had no indication that there was anything that was different about it, at least in the near future. on the flip side, another republican source reminded me about the house in particular, about the fact that they absolutely despised rod rosenstein and they tried to push articles of impeachment against rosenstein. >> the freedom caucus activist. >> exactly. there is a move and maybe even if he stays in, it could happen

to call rosenstein up to the hill to get him to answer questions under oath about whether he said in a serious manner he wanted to record the president and or that he discussed invoking the 25th amendment. that is the dynamic and the backdrop that all of this is autopsy against. it is really important to know and those are the thing that is the president is hearing. which is why, frankly, he was not gone right away when the story came out on friday. even though the president has no love lost there, he understands the dynamics and not to mention the public pressure. republicans on another news channel. >> i can mention one more thing. there is a sense among conservative that is the president could be set up and that maybe perhaps the "new york times" story on friday came from memos of andrew mccabe who the president does not trust and who

jeff sessions fired. it's kind of a complicated reality show right now. the president not liking him and wanting to fire him and not wanting to fire him. i can't imagine that rosenstein would not want to resign. >> can we underscore that he went to the white house and ended up participating in a previously scheduled principals meeting sitting at the table with other senior officials talking about whatever policy issues were on the agenda while all of this is swirling. >> that's a good straight face. >> only in the trump administration. >> in the mueller investigation if rosenstein is fired opposed to resigning. there is a difference. the president has greater ability to put somebody in charge of the mueller investigation if rosenstein resigns as opposed to being fired.

>> that's right. authorities an idiosyncracy that makes a distinction between whether he is fired or resigns voluntarily. most likely the name noel francisco will be a household name. the solicitor general will be the person who overcea ceassees mueller investigation. he is a conservative and idea logically a lined. if that changes, there could be enacting deputy attorney general who is senate confirmed in another position in the doj who could be implemented into that spot by the president. it remains to be seen how that falls out. i would add, a lot of the confidence we have seen in the public support of the mueller investigation is because of two people. bob mueller and rod rosenstein. if either go, there will be a crumbling support in the investigation and process is

important. you want that public support. >> what about that? >> you absolutely do and you're right. it's not new news that rod rosenstein has been vulnerable. he has been vulnerable with the doj under this approximation. he was looked at as a potential witness in the investigation because of his own drafting of a memorandum about why james comey usurped the authority of lo letta lynlet a lynch. he said look, robert mueller doesn't have checked power here. you have somebody who lets him do whatever he would like to do. there is no oversight vulnerable there as well. you have the latest thing where you put the president of the united states in the conundrum. either he has to go ahead and relish in the fact that he can have an out with firing somebody he doesn't want and andy cabe,

the former acting fbi director who wrote the memo is not a liar and the new york times is authoritative and credible. the public perception is most key here. it doesn't elude a lot of people to know that rudy giuliani, jay sekulow said, they wanted the investigation to be over. now you have the end of the month maybe an entree into that thing happening. coincidence? i think no. >> a lot of leaders were urging the white house to hold off on a purge until after the kavanaugh confirmation. >> when we were hearing this late friday which was they were saying slow down because we really want to have one problem at a time. we ahead at to get through kavanaugh and we don't want to take the velocity of a pushing kavanaugh through take anything away from that.

just let this settle until it's over. obviously that didn't happen and who inspired that is probably the attorney general yourself. they were about to call him on the hill. people say it's gotten better. it reached a low after michael cohen's office was raided and the president was upset about the fact that the deputy attorney general would have approved that because that thing had to go through him. it's been a relationship that from the get go has been there. >> there has been a bipartisan call to pass legislation protecting robert mueller and the investigation. it is hard to seat republican leadership was reluctant before changing.

everybody is focused on one key thing that independent voters will make or break this election are worried about it and that is chaos in washington. today didn't help and the fight between the republican leadership and the republican president on mueller won't help either. >> there is a lot more news unfolding. democrats sounding the alarm and calling this a saturday night massacre in slow motion. one lawmaker upons to protect robert mueller and his investigation. the fate of the u.s. supreme court nominee, judge brett kavanaugh also very unclear after a new allegation surfaces. the president now weighing in as tensions boil over up on capitol hill involving the key senators who will vote on his confirmation. i can't believe it.

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the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein's future wrapped up a meeting at the white house with the chief of staff where a source said rosenstein expected he would be fired, but that clearly did not happen, at least not yet. you now the white house is saying moments ago that president trump will meet with rod rosenstein on thursday when the president returns to washington from new york. joining us is steve cohen of tennessee. congressman, thanks so much for joining us. let me get your quick reaction to the breaking news. what do you think? >> it's disturbing because i have always felt that there would be an effort to dislodge

this investigation, to hamper it and i think we are going to see that. it's so ironic and disturbing that the "new york times" publication that i always felt was the gray lady in a respected publication is responsible for putting out unverified stories that have given the president the authority, i guess, or the public support to fire rosenstein which could jeopardize and would jeopardize the mueller investigation. you suggesting the "new york times" information is inaccurate? >> i think it was definitely based on source. the headline in the story didn't say allegations or claims from unidentified sources. they said rosenstein called for wearing a wire and called for the possibility of invoking the 25th amendment. they wrote the headline and the

story for fact and not that it was alleged by an individual and came from mccabe who came from his firing. less credence and that was not mentioned in the article. that's historically respected for. >> those two reporters who wrote the article in the "new york times," i have to tell you they have a strong track record and highly respected. let's move on and talk a little bit about what would happen if rosenstein were forced to resign or fired by the president. what would happen? >> well, either way, you would see less independence from mueller. i think you will see him fired or asked to resign. i don't know that he will, but you will see what bob woodward. he sees power as fear. he will use it to instill fear in mueller and the southern

district of new york and eastern virginia and everywhere else. fear will be the predominant feel i feeling. >> the voices in the president's ear is the host, sean hannity. what he delivered directly to the president the other night. listen to this. >> i have a message for the president tonight. under zero circumstances should the president fire anybody. these actors tonight. i have multiple sources confirming this and more information coming. they are hoping and praying that the president does just that. they are hoping he gets mad and he gets sick and tired of it and they can turn this politically into their equivalent of a friday night massacre. the president needs to know it's a set up. >> he said it's a set up. what's your take? >> people think it's a set up,

conservative freedom party republicans. others think it's a set up by liberal democrats. colonel mustard must have done it in the parlor. no one knows what's going on. hannity is giving trump good advice. it will hurt the republicans if he fires or forces the resignation of rosenstein. it will give the people that are maybe on the middle more of a feeling that there-needs to be the democratic check on this president and it will hurt the republicans in the mid-terms. that's what sean hannity will tell him. i think the meeting thursday which may happen at the same time as christine blasey ford's testimony to the senate judiciary committee and it will be a big day thursday. i don't know if you have a split screen, but trump could use it as a way to take away from that.

he will do anything to help move that along. >> we will see what happens a long time between now and thursday. thanks so much for joining us. >> time's up. thank you. >> thank you. we are going to have much more coming in on all of this. the president's lawyers by the way demanding a time out in the mueller investigation if rosenstein resigns. you will hear their reasons and the likelihood of a pause in the investigation. new tensions as a new allegation surfaced against the nominee. why brett kavanaugh's nomination is more uncertain by the day. people tell me all the time i have the craziest job, the riskiest job. the consequences underwater can escalate quickly. the next thing i know, she swam off with the camera. it's like, hey, thats mine! i want to keep doing what i love.

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right now a sexual assault survivors and supporters are rallying outside the supreme court, fighting brett kavanaugh's confirmation which is more uncertain as the days go on. crowds have been protesting on capitol hill all morning as well. watch this. >> we believe dr. ford! >> this was the scene outside susan collins's office. she certainly is a key vote. all of this happening as the top democrat, dianne feinstein is calling for a delay in thursday's scheduled hearing after a new woman has come

forward with the story of inappropriate sexual behavior involving judge kavanaugh when he was in college, a claim he strongly denies and cnn has not spoke tone anyone willing to corroborate her story. let's go to phil matingly live from capitol hill. what are you hearing about the status of thursday's planned testimony before the senate judiciary committee? >> as it stands, it is still on schedule. you see the intensity of the protesters outside the supreme court making their way through the senate office buildings. republican advisers i have been talking to throughout the morning say last night's allegations with cnn has not confirmed and served to harden the resolve. mitch mcconnell will take to the senate floor later and lay out in detail why he supports the nomination. lindsey graham allege character assassination and said a vote

needs to happen quickly. contrast that with democrats. want to democrat calling for a halt to everything. you have the protest with democratic or liberal groups calling for the nomination to be with drawn and calling for a deeper investigation. what it comes down to is one senator you mentioned. susan collins with lisa murkowski and jeff flake. that remains the key to everything. how those three go and whether they say yes or no will dictate whether or not brett kavanaugh is still a nominee and has a chance to be confirmed. at this point none of the three have weighed in since the allegations and all of the three said they want a hearing on thursday and want to hear from christine blasey ford, but those are the three everybody is keying on. it's clear republicans on capitol hill want to continue pressing forward, wolf. >> all 49 democrats vote against the confirmation, it's critical. there are 51 republicans and 49

democrats. they can lose one and it will be 50-50 and the vice president breaks the tie. if they lose two, they hold firmly in opposition. if you get news, let us know. the behavior he is accused of they said is out of character. they don't believe the allegations. anita mcbride is a kavanaugh friend and supporter and served as chief of star to the first lady at the time laura bush. she is here to share insights. thanks for coming in. you think this is going to happen at some point? do you think he might say you know what, i don't want to put my family and the republican party through more of this and withdraw? >> i think he wants to get up there and defend himself. i really do. he has been put through a lot. everybody has been put through a lot. the country has been put through a lot. i understand that women on capitol hill are fighting for

their rights and they have every right to do that. we also need to turn down the heat a little bit and look at also what's being affected. the integrity of a process. who in their right mind, what good person would want to put themselves through a nomination for anything to go through what we are going through now. this has become a political process and not really a government process. >> if you want to be a u.s. supreme court justice, he is 53 years old. he can spent 30 or 40 years on the court affecting all sorts of issues involving every american citizen. shouldn't there be a thorough investigation of his entire background? >> and there was in order to be nominated. >> but the charges have come forward and shouldn't the charges from the women be thoroughly investigated by the fbi or an outside credible source? >> i think the hearing that will

happen supposedly and hopefully on thursday provides an opportunity to hear from -- >> they will hear from her and him. they won't hear from the second woman who has just come forward. you saw the article "the new yorker." they are not going to hear from others who may have been around. shouldn't there be a few more days or a few weeks and let all of this be aired out before you force your fellow republicans to vote on something they may regret? >> i have to say, to the recent story, the new yorker story. we haven't heard of anybody yet where that can be corroborated or substantiated. where was the integrity of the reporting on that when there is no corroboration. >> they have a good track record. >> sure. of course. they have a good track record, but in this case was there any substantiated reports? >> don't you think the senate

judiciary committee which check that out before they force a vote on the confirmation? >> i think a process should be always in place to make sure that anybody that is up for any appointment, lifetime or not, but let's go back to the point. there was knowledge of a letter and obviously now we know who it is, but it was anonymous at the time in the hands of people who could say. they are on that committee with senator feinstein. they could have raised this issue before so it was part of the hearing process. the 36 or 40 hours of testimony that we already had. why wasn't it then? >> senator feinstein makes the point that christine blasey ford, the professor from palo alto, california asked, please don't get me involved. i just want you to know.

don't mention my name and bring me into this. that was her initial position. should the position be honored and respected? >> to the point you raised. a lifetime appointment of a certain sitting in an open hearing and session where every question from both sides of the aisle can be fired at him at that time. the timing of all this is really concerning to me. for someone who has been through background investigations herself, really, i am worried of what we have done to politicize a process that should be fair, open, and transparent. >> stand by for a moment. our supreme court reporter is joining us and getting new information. what are you learning? >> we have a brand-new letter from brett kavanaugh to both chairman grassley and feinstein and he is really wanting to press forward here. i will read you from the letter.

he said these are smeears, pure and simple and a threat to any man or woman who wishes to serve our country. such grotesque and obvious character ax sass nation will diswade competent and good people from all persuasion from service. he has devoted his to serving the public and he said i look forward to answering questions from the senate on thursday, wolf. we are seeing this is the strongest statement we have ever seen from kavanaugh. it comes against these allegations brought by christine blasey ford and new allegations that came out over the weekend in another publication and he is saying that he wants to be there at this hearing on thursday and clear his name. it's a two-page letter to the hill. >> all right, thank you very much. anita, very quickly.

your immediate reaction? >> not at all surprised. he has been wanting to defend himself from the first monday the allegation was out there. >> you don't think he will dropout? >> i don't. >> we will see what happens between tomorrow and thursday. >> on both sides. >> an attorney for president trump is calling for a time out in the mueller probe if rod rosenstein resigns. a closer look at the man who oversees the special counsel if that were to happen and why experts are warning there may be blaring conflicts of interest. your insurance rates skyrocket after a scratch so small

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>> we continue to follow breaking news out of the white house. rod rosenstein arriving at the department of justice following a meeting at the white house with chief of staff, john kelly earlier in the day. a source said he was expected to be fired at that meeting, the white house announcing shortly after that meeting that rosenstein will meet with president trump directly on thursday when the president returns to washington from new york. president trump's personal attorney, jay sekulow commenting on leaving the department of just ois his radio show. >> if in fact rod rosenstein does end up resigning today because of the statements he made, it's clearly are in and appropriate for whoever the person put in charge of this, in

other words, whoever becomes the deputy acting attorney general and solicitor general, whoever is handling this special counseling in light of all of this, i think it's important that there be a step back taken here and a review. i think it's a review that has to be thorough and complete and a review that has to include an investigation of what transpired with the statements and the allegations going back to bruce ohr and a time out on this inquiry. >> joining us is analyst who is a former watergate special prosecutor. richard, thanks for coming in. do you believe mueller's investigation is in greater jeopardy? >> well, the pause button has been hit until thursday. i don't think mr. rosenstein ought to resign. i think he should stay put. he has denied the elements of

the "new york times" story that have him suggesting whether in jest or otherwise with a verifiable case with the 25th amendment. that raises interesting questions. what if a president were acting so irradically that those close to him suspected he was not capable of performing his job? would a tape recording of the president be in order? i don't know the answer to that question, but it raises questions about the 25th amendment and what was in mind. >> for rosenstein leaves or resigns or is fired, what does that mean for the attorney general, jeff sessions, who for more than a year now has been publicly huh mailiated and rebuked by the president? >> i'm sure he will be humiliated and rebuked more.

he is not willing to resign either. the question is if mr. rosenstein is fire and whether the solicitor general, mr. francisco will be appointed to take over the responsibilities of supervising mr. mueller. to complicate matters even further, the law firm from which mr. francisco comes was very much involved in representing the trump campaign. so the question is, whether there is a conflict of interest there. >> it's awe huge fi huge firm. a prestigious firm. thanks very much for coming in. all of this drama unfolding involving the deputy attorney general and the supreme court nominee. the president meanwhile is at the united nations for the general assembly meetings saying

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we're continuing to follow the developments out of the white house right now where the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein wrapped up a meeting with the chief of staff, john kelly, just a little while ago. rosenstein is now scheduled to meet with president trump thursday, presumably to discuss his fate over at the department of justice. i want to bring in the veteran journalist marvin calbright. he's written a brand-new become entitled "enemy of the people:trump on the press, the new mccarthyism and the threat

to democracy." thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> your thoughts on all of the news, the breaking news that's unfolding right now. while we're old enough to remember there was a 24-hour news cycle, it's now like a 24-minute news cycle. >> i get a feeling that people aren't thinking. that terrifies me, because a lot of those people are running our lives. >> tell us about this book. when you say enemy of the people, trump's war on the press. what is the bottom line point you're trying to make? >> when he first used that expression three weeks into his tenure as president, i heard that and i was literally horrified. that was made by stalin, the dictators of the 20th century. i'm not suggesting the president has any of those ideas. i am convinced now on the basis of the research i've done, he

got that idea from pat cadell, the once liberal pollster for jimmy carter, who has swung way over to the right. he works now and does a lot of work for breitbart. the president heard that expression from him, from steve bannon, liked it and used it without an awareness of its roots. but the roots are horrible. no president of a democratic society has ever used it. why would he use it? in order to contain and control a free press which lies at the heart of american democracy. >> and you're suggesting this is, in your words, the new mccarthyism. >> yes. >> why? >> the new mccarthyism because mccarthy in the mid to early 1950s used the press, used lying, used fear, which ran through the entire american society, in order to get his way. and his way, he thought, was the way of running the country.

but it set america back considerably, and it took a great journalist like edward r. murrow, to take him on, and when he took him on, he managed to deflate mccarthyism and destroy it. and to me it's an indication that good journalists, mr. wolf, good journalists are capable, like murrow was with mccarthy, like conkrite was in vietnam, they can cover a story and bring us out of the current morase we're in. >> those are bold, strong words. >> they weren't easy for me to use. i've spent 60 years of my life as a reporter. i didn't get myself into a story at all. i'm into this story because i fear that we are on the edge of losing something that is essential to our democracy, and

that is a free press. >> the book is entitled "enemy of the people:trump's war on the press, the new mccarthyism and the threat to american democracy." thanks very much for coming in. marvin is the author. other breaking news we're following. the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein's future in question ahead of a critically important thursday morning meeting with president trump. will he be fired? will he resign? first, how will his fate affect the future of the russia investigation? new details coming in. we'll be right back. [ upbeat music ]

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