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wall to wall. but bill cosby had no one. he did not have a family member, his children, his wife was not there. but his publicist, andrew wyatt, that has stood by him every step of the way once again was there alone. >> thank you very much for the report. the news continues. i hand it over to chris. i am chris cuomo and welcome to prime time. the president thought he was working the crowd but the crowd worked him. how our president unwittingly became the laughing stock of the world today at the united nations. republicans say senators get just 24 hours to think. after thursday's testimony, and then they have to judge judge kavanaugh. does that sound like the right time set a date? before a word is heard? and democracy done wrong. senator ted cruz and his wife chased out of a restaurant by an angry mob of protesters. even his bitter rival came to
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his defense. you know the drill. let's get after it. so the president stood in front of the world and delivered a campaign speech. the reaction he got at the u.n. was very different than what he's used the hearing at his rallies. instead of cheering supporters, global leaders laughed at him. now keep in mine, these are the same folks who for years have sat stone faced for all sorts of bluster from murderers and december pots. but trump made them laugh. beyond the chuckles, there was trump pushing his version of world affairs had none of them laughing. now here to help us sort it out are a couple of guys who ang thing or two about national security. phil mudd and mike rodgers. gentlemen, thank you. >> thank you. >> let's play the moment that has everybody wanting to figure out what it means. here it is. >> my administration has
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accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country. america's -- so true. didn't expect that reaction but that's okay. >> the president is trying to play it off as a laugh line. we've all been in there. you guys more than i have. it is usually a quiet crowd. they heard him exaggerate something that is obviously exaggerated and it seemed like they were mocking him. what is your take? >> i would agree. let's step back and look at a map of the world. he got off a plane and said we're safer. talk to me about the process, slow at best. they thought they were partners. now we're engaged in a tariff war with them. we keep moving to the west.
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the president said he had a plan on the arab/israeli dispute. i think the biggest thing is jared kushner doesn't know what the plan is. we've humiliated nato, no against the mexicans saying after 20 months, we will never build a fence. people who don't live if washington or looking across the would recalled saying you've talked with it, you've alienated your allies and promised sques the russians who are about ready to close the deal with bashar al assad and his hold syria, a deal with the russians, north koreans, a better relationship with the chinese. where is it? is that what it is? >> is that what it is? where's the beef? coming home to roost? >> this is completely trump not knowing his audience which is a little unusual for him. normally he can play to an audience. he just said, i'm the best president we've ever had. how about the emancipation
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proclamation by abraham lincoln? how about the martial plan by truman? these are big major events that either held the country together and or held europe together. these are big events. you're sitting in a room for all these countries who are trying to deal with real difficulties at home, economic or terrorism or military. and you say, we've done more than anyone else. and by the way, i've picked a fight with just about everyone in here except the russians. that's why he got reaction he did. i think they were a little taken back that that would be his assessment with how he's doing in the rest of the world. >> people who are in the base, they mistake criticism for just being empty negativity. you pick on everything he says. that's because he's the president of the united states. and when he finally gets into a room like that where everybody takes their role seriously, phil, they regard at this time
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way critics do. which is don't say the. it is bs. everything you're saying bs. we're going to laugh ought. and then we saw what happened. >> i suppose. i think there's a different way to look at that. this and that is the same thing we saw, maybe with the cavanagh interview. just be frontal with us. denuclearize the noshth korean peninsula -- >> you thought the kavanaugh interview was telling us the truth? >> no. kavanaugh could have that, look, i had too many beers in high school. i apologize. i don't remember an incident would w the woman but i want to acknowledge that i was not perfect in high school. he sold us as perfect or almost perfect. the president is saying, in every circumstances, whether iran or north korea or the mexican wall, i've done a perfect job. i think people like me would be more willing to acknowledge the progress he made. i thought the meeting with kim jong-un was a good idea. if he just said, look, this is a
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long path. it is difficult. previous presidents haven't made progress. that's all he has to say. >> so we have him being judged. then we have a situation at home that i want your heads on. mike, rosenstein. do you have him resign or have him come out on thursday and he's the bigger man and he stays? >> well, i hope the president comes out the bigger man and he stays. my wife says it is a genetic deif he can that i have. that investigation is going nowhere. you can fire rosenstein and mueller. all the weight of that investigation is still there and then congress will be forced to do something. they're either going to the appeal court, like the star investigation, and they would appoint a special counsel or the attorney general would have to. there's no way this is just
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going to go away if he were smart, he would take a step back. does he have the right to ask him? did you really say that? >> he has the right to fire him because he thinks he said it. >> i wouldn't fire him but i would call him in. hey, knock it off. now go back and put bad guys in jail. >> he has the right to do it. is it right to do it, that's the question. if he resigns, the president has an easy path to putting noel francisco in there. a man it is assumed would be much more amenable. do you go that route? >> heck no. the law of unintended consequences will kill you. you fire james comey and you're going to have an easier path than a russian investigation and you get robert mueller. fire rosenstein. i don't know whether someone who comes in temporarily will say something different. i can see them saying, my job is to keep the seat warm until we
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have a position. the easier thing is the president should say, explain to me what that. if rosenstein by the way says, i said those things, he has to go. if he says, i didn't say those things, if write the president, i would look back and say i don't want to get gikd that mule again. >> does rosenstein say he didn't do it and then do the republicans in the house judiciary committee, or the intelligence committee, as we heard suggested by congressman gates, about him and congressman meadows, do they bring rosenstein before them and say raise your hand and say you didn't say anything about the 25th aemendment. about wiring. he wants to subpoena the memos. they want access to them. what do you think? do you think he should have to do that? >> well, do i believe if congress does that, i with disyeah. he must comply.
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because we don't like who is sitting there or what they're doing, we should not comply. i believe that works to undermine all of our institutions. i don't care if you're a republican or democrat. i don't think we ought to cotton that. what i do believe is they ought to take a more measured tone about it. and they sure have a bur under their saddle. there are better and more appropriate ways to handle this. other than these big public meetings. all the negative press is because the president like today go off script and he can't help himself. at least a few steam run to his aid and they go off skremt. >> it is not helpful. >> so you're in washington. i'll be there for the hearing on thursday. let's have dinner. >> the president says, assuming rosenstein doesn't just -- >> fire, resign or stay.
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>> stay. >> okay. >> mike. >> stay. >> you're both stay? i argued stay last night but i don't like either of you. i'm going with the other two. the wager is dinner. >> right side saddle. thank you very much. >> the president picked the wrong venue to brag about his accomplishments. you just heard, why were not the world leaders having it? it is so iron pick the president had always. the world is laughing at us. for years he said that. guess what. now he's the joke. we'll take you through it, next. -here comes the rain. [ horn honking ] [ engine revving ] what's that, girl? [ engine revving ] flo needs help?! [ engine revving ] take me to her! ♪ coming, flo! why aren't we taking roads?!
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they can't believe what's happening. >> we're the laughing stock of the world. >> and the world is laughing at us. >> his argument goes that now the world respects the u.s. again because of him. he says it all the time. i wonder if he would say it after what happened to him and to all of us today at the u.n. when this happen. >> my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country. america's -- so true. didn't expect that reaction but that's okay. >> the trumpian totally bogus claim his administration has accomplished more than any administration in the history of our country, like his other boasts that he made today, gave the biggest tax cut ever. not true. everyone knows it. and this is why we call out his
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truth abuse. it is not just about him. it diminishes the presidency. and today, that was laid bare. literally, the world laughed in donald trump's face. they laughed at america. and this scene that the president said he didn't expect reveals a truth he now has to accept. pugh data shows the reality. this is before and after trump. a little confusing but you see the trending. the average favorability for the u.s. went from 65 to 50. 2015. 2017. before trump, after trump. and notice the uptick for russia. why are they so happy about the trump administration? and consider this. that was not the only laugh line today. look at the german delegation response when trump drops this exaggeration. >> germany will become totally
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dependen on russian energy if it does not immediately change course of -- foreign powers. it has been the formal policy of our country sense president monroe. >> did i just read that guy's lips? >> i don't know who wrote it. when the president said it, it literally made the german goodell delegation laugh. some of our closest allies. so what happened here today? it looks like he mistook this packed arena for one of his rallies. but these people are not the base looking for a common enemy. they are reflective of the global desire for common decency. it would be nice if all of his wildly false claims were meant as a joke, as he says. his reaction and how taken aback he seems at the moment makes it clear, that's not true.
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he may think what happened today was funny but know this. it was no joke. those leaders were laughing at him. not with him. so another thing today that you have to think about. did you hear that republicans have set a date for kavanaugh to be voted on? when is it? friday morning. 24 hours after testimony, before you've heard a word. you set a date. chairman grassly says, we're just following normal orders. three days. is any of this normal? don't they want to do anything to show a semblance of concern about the gravity of the allegations? show some respect to it? that's the starting point for what should certainly an great debate. next.
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official testimony from kavanaugh's accuser of sooult, christine blasey ford, they're ready to set a date to vote. what does that mean? the republicans really care about what ford will say? or is this just about what seems obvious? getting brett kavanaugh through the pelosi and getting a general -- getting him through the process. let's debate. can i get an amen? >> what am i amenning? >> the notion of the setting of the date, 24 hours after the testimony, before the testimony has been had, it is not just what chairman grassley says, following the normal course. it is following the course of the consideration which is what they want. >> yeah. the real challenge is republicans have demonstrated a
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pattern and practice of not caring about women. not overwhelmingly, i think this is a bipartisan, women being treated as objects, as toys. the very fact whether or not they call mark judge as a character witness, i'll just say if you look at mark judge's facebook posts about women, they are clearly chattel to him. i think that's the real issue republicans have. they have decided and made a calculated consideration here that we are willing to potentially for sake the mid-term election results, potentially lose the senate majority because we'll have a lifetime appointment with this particular supreme court nominee. i think what makes matters worse is there are some democrats who have demonstrated fecklessness, tester, bill nelson, doug jones
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of alabama, and joe manchin. i can understand west virginia and alabama a little bit. i have no idea why doug jones who was elected by 98% of black women, the same question i asked you on that panel a week ago and i don't understand bill nelson who has to ride andrew gillum's coat tails into victory in florida during the general election. why would he make this decision? it is not acceptable. you have to be all blue everything to really win. and i think they're going to struggle with it. >> all right. there's a lot to unpack. anyone who understands the senate knows you can move a vote you can and lose a vote. so they zeld vote because the democrats have been pretty open and clear that their entire tactic is to delay. they're saying, we respect this process. we moved the hearing.
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we delayed it so we can have a hearing. what this is about on the left this they are pro-choice. the largest base of the democratic party, the most active and now becoming borderline mill daniel base of the democratic party, are pro-choice activists. they are demanding that they delay, during the hearing for judge kavanaugh. they've already made up all their minds. there are at least 45 democrats that are 100% no before kavanaugh was even announced by the president. they said so. so to say let's not have the vote because we want to their testimony. this is about politics. >> that's true. full stop. these processes that we call the confirmation process are a sham. they are not about disclosure. they are about nondisclosure. both sides play it.
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if we want to be intellectually honest, there is one adeny did you mean. yes. they disagree with his jurisprudence. >> so this isn't about me. this is about stopping -- >> hold on. >> hold on. now i take it to you. that's not all it is about. that was before the allegations came up. they were against him conceptually. >> being thrown out by the democrats. he is running for attorney general of minnesota. democrats don't want to talk about that. >> i want to talk about the hearing on thursday. >> i hear out ellison. we're trying to get his accuser on the show. i can't force people on the show. so here's the thing. he shy away from nothing. you can't shy away from hearing by deflecting to some other allegation. >> they sexually assaulted too.
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that's ridiculous. >> well, well -- >> ellison should be investigated and they say it is ongoing. but that has nothing to do with this hearing. don't the allegations stand apart? >> not only do they stand apart. there is a second and potentially a third accuser so here's the other issue we have. if the yale la professor who taught judge kavanaugh says this deserves an investigation. if three of his classmates who say, this deserves an investigation, what is the harm in really playing this out to see if this is accurate? i don't have any issue with someone saying, you know what? we looked all through this. we can't find anything. this woman made it up. you're not even allowing that to take place. so i'm saying the benefit of the doubt should be given to her. march when i the record that republicans have on women's issues. you just called women having the right to choose, militant.
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come on. >> i'm saying there are militants activists in your party that are demanding they act this way or they will get primaried. >> and they're going to get primaried. there are going to be women in your party who primary, the cowards who will not allow this woman to have her day in court. >> now you're almost agreeing with me. this is not about a victim. >> it is absolutebly a victim. and it is about an investigation that you would not allow to take place. you're one of the reasonable ones. i know you see, finally donald trump is doing something for conservatives that you like. that doesn't mean an issue of sexual harassment and assault by this man should not be addressed. the fact 27 years after anita hill, the senate still does not have protocol and procedures in place for habuling sexual harassment is something that
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should give them cause. >> now we're talking about -- >> let him -- >> let him get in. go ahead. >> look. hillary clinton's director who is running a super pac dedicated to stopping judge kavanaugh told the truth. he said here's what our mission is. stop judge kavanaugh by any means necessary when the senate and stop donald trump from putting people on the supreme court. >> you're assuming that the allegations from professor are part of a plot to stop. >> what i'm saying is she's going to have a hearing. the committee bent over backwards to have a hearing. >> they didn't bend over backwards. come on. >> they did. they tried to force her to testify on monday. can you imagine? >> just to keep the record clear. i don't understand this from two perspectives. i respect your take on it. one, i think it is bad for kavanaugh, what you're doing. if he was not there. if he did nothing wrong, as he said in that friendly interview last night, then she want all
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the boxes checked so nobody can speculate. the second thing is, you know that some of the digging on the corroboration that ford offered up hasn't borne any fruit yet. so why wouldn't you go down the path of vetting it so people can say, your lag of effort leads them to a conclusion? >> for two reasons. one is both these accusers have now had every reporter. first, the first one came out. feinstein decided to make it public. >> we don't know that she had anything to do with making it public. somehow it became public. >> we don't know what happened. >> every lawyer on the judiciary committee and every reporter in the country, and the only thing they were able to come back with was a very weak second person who has had every single witness that she named say, this is not true and i know nothing about it. so the point is, the judiciary
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committee has seen this. they don't need more information. it is obviously a smear and someone coming forward for political reasons. >> that's an opinion but not a fact. >> this is fascinating to me he is saying the accuser is lying when there's no dna evidence to exonerate him. >> in this country, the burden of proof is on the accuser. when you're accused of something -- you are innocent until proven guilty. >> that's the problem with your party. you think you deserve to speak over a woman when he just said, i have the last word is why you're going to lose the mid-term elections. he said i have the last word. that's the difference. >> you just had it. you got the last word. i'll tell you what. this is a hard conversation. we don't really know what the standards are. i respect you guys. you disagreed but you disagree the right way. that's not a cliche. we need to reinforce it in the way it is going right now.
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amendment. rosenstein emphatically denies comments and he will make his case before the president at the white house thursday. yes, the same day as the kavanaugh hearing. we're joint by a former federal prosecutor, friend and former supervisor of rod rosenstein. thank you for taking this opportunity. we need the help. i'll take his silence as acceptance. can you hear me? >> i can hear you. >> what do you think is true? do you think rosenstein offered his resignation? do you think he was just talking about it because he heard they were going on fire him? we've heard everything. now we hear that there is an anticipation that he might resign or maybe there isn't. what do you know? >> my sense is that rod went over to see the chief of staff for the president after newspaper reports of comments by the president about the department of justice.
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and he wanted to tell the chief of staff as i understand it that he did not at any time offer to wear a wire, we're somebody up, try to use the 25th amendment. and i believe rod rosenstein. i've known him and worked with him over the last 25 years so i don't know exactly what he and general kelly talked about. the impression i have is that he said, if the president wants my resignation, i will give it but i want him to know very firmly that i did not do these things. >> so he says he didn't do it. he doesn't say he wants to resign. he said he would resign if asked. and you don't know that he did resign already. >> i do not know. and i suspect he did not. i think he offered as the papers have suggested but i think more importantly, he wanted to convey to general kelly and to the president, that the reports are inaccurate.
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and i believe him. >> what do you think the relationship is? the sourcing is, it had gotten pretty good. they were in a good place. >> my take is that rod rosenstein, one of the most respected and admired former federal prosecutors from his days until independent justice office and the united states attorney for two presidents, is an honest broker who is doing the job that he was statutorily required too and he honored the regulations in supervising another former prosecutor, bob mueller. so the relationship between the president and rod rosenstein, it appears a working relationship. but he is committed to do his job to the best of his ability and i believe he was doing it. how can the president get past that they made a decision to
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bring in a special counsel that the president made? . how do you get past that? how can rod rosenstein convince the president that it was a legitimate move when so many around the president are saying it was illegitimate? >> well, first of all, it is not the president's call and it is not the attorney general's call. because of the reaccusal, rod rosenstein is a dem attorney general, was vested by statute to select a special counsel. >> you think he had to do it. >> yes, i do. >> even though people will criticize him and say there was no apparently crime to be investigated. did i the legal research. i don't see that but a lot of better minds than mine make that case. >> i stay purpose of the special counsel statute, not unlike the former independent counsel statute, is to investigate whether allegations of wrongdoing. the allegation of wrongdoing
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involved a number of people. it may have included the president and it may not have. he has to do the job that the statute and the law requires. that's what he was doing. the fact that somebody doesn't like it is not relevant. >> so, what we're seeing now is indications that rosenstein doesn't want to resign. if he wanted to, he would. the fact that he hampton seems to indicate that he hasn't. simple logic. there will be pressure. we don't know what will happen. i want your sense of what happens on thursday and whether or not rosenstein is willing to weather going in before congress, raising his hand and testifying about what he did and did not say with respect to that "new york times" story. what do you think happened and do you think he would do that? >> well, thursday is the day he's meeting with the president. and i expect that rod as the fine lawyer and experienced
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prosecutor that he is, will explain to the president the job he's doing, and that he, the department of justice and the american people expect the job to be completed in a highly professional manner. and he doesn't believe these allegations made, offhanded, have any credibility or any basis in fact and i would speck the president of the united states to accept the statement of his deputy attorney general. given his reputation and integrity. and allow him to finish the job that the american people expect him to do. that's what i expect. >> and do you think he would raise his hand under oath and answer questions for congress? >> i have no doubt, if he is subpoenaed to appear, he will tell truth and that should be the end of it. >> i don't know if they subpoena him. they probably ask him first. what great insights. you kouxd it very well in terms of how you know and i appreciate
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you giving us your sense of the situation. >> thank you. it is nice to have one fordham lawyer talk to another. >> thank you. i'll take it. one thing for sure, tensions are high over politics in this country. the anger is palpable. voters have a right to be heard. but come on. decency, people. they should not be harassing politicians having a quiet dinner with their loved ones. there's a time and a place and a manner. we'll show you what happened to ted cruz that even outraged his sharpest critic. be open-minded, next. because here, you can choose any car in the aisle, even if it's a better car class than the one you reserved. so no matter what, you're guaranteed to have a perfect drive. [laughter]
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mop night, right? senator cruz is out having dinner with his wife heidi and this happen. >> i would love to talk to you -- i'm a constituent. love to know what your vote will be. >> senator, i have a right to know what your position is on brett kavanaugh. >> no comment. >> i'm a survivor of sexual assault. >> let my wife through. >> will he be ral activists swarmed the senator. you heard what they were doing. they demanded to know his
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position on brett kavanaugh. cruz' point tweeted this. it is not that's right senator cruz and his wife heidi were surrounded and forced the leave a restaurant because of protesters. they should be treated with respect. let's bring in don lemon. what is your take? >> it's a tough one. one, it is survivors, right? of sexual abuse. i am one. as a person of color i know that especially during civil rights movement and now, sometimes the only agency you have is to protest and to get in someone's face. you don't have any power when it comes to government and in society. i don't like it but it is one reason i'm not a public official. that i'm not running for office in a way i think it goes with the territory. i don't like that they were blocking his wife but that's what he signed up for. as a strict constitutionalist,
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as ted cruz is, he knows it is protected under the first amendment. i don't like it. i don't like it happening to his wife. that's part of the deal. >> i don't know that's what he signed up for but that may be that there's a different standard for him. >> semantics. we're saying the same thing but -- >> i hear you. i don't think it's purely sem ant cal. i think this is wrong. do they have the right to do it? 100%. you don't have to be ted cruz to know that. but is it right that they do it this way? what did they achieve by doing it this way? do you think they changed ted cruz's mind? did they raise awareness to something that was positive, or did they raise awareness to something that makes their effort look bad. >> i don't know. as i said, i think it's semantics. you don't. i don't like the idea that it happens to his wife, someone who did not run for office and became a public official. no, i would not like that. but if you run for office and
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you propose policies that are detrimental to people, as americans you have the right to tell your public officials that you don't like it. and if you're in a space where you're allowed to do that, then you can do it. just think -- >> that was a private restaurant by the way. >> a private restaurant, but just remember it happened in the chamber when president obama was giving the first state of the union. you lie. someone got in his face. was it right to do it? no. but did he have the right to do it? absolutely. so it does happen. it doesn't mean that i like it, but i kind of think if you're a public official, then you need to stand by what you say, and that's part of the deal. >> don lemon, appreciate your take. tweet don if you don't like it. all right. i know it's been a crazy week in the news, but what happens when we get so focused on that one big story in front of us? we'll have the conversation about how leads and who follows a different day, whether i set the agenda and you have to watch it or i give you what i think you want to watch. we'll talk about that another day, maybe online. but there's a story going on now
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have you heard? there is a desperate search going on. hundreds of kids have been taken and moved all over the country. parents are in a panic. we're told for 100 families, they may never get their kids back. i'm talking about the border crisis. it's still a crisis. 300 kids are still in situations you wouldn't want your kids in for 300 seconds. and of that remaining 300, from close to 3,000 that were originally stripped from families, 182 are on track for reunification. for 100 more, it may never happen. at least six of the kids still waiting are under 5 years of age. my 8-year-old still sleeps with us every night.
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imagine at that tender age not knowing where mom and dad are sleeping. remember, the original deadline was in july. homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen said this. >> this administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border. >> this. we do not have a policy of separating families at the border, period. then why is her signature on documents that say otherwise? a dhs memo to secretary nielsen presenting her with options on how to implement a zero tolerance policy at the border has two key parts. one, dhs could also permissibly direct the separation of parents or legal guardians and minors held in immigration detention so that the parent or legal guardian can be prosecuted. now, much of the document is redacted, but at the end it reads, we recommend option three as the most effective method. this initiative would pursue prosecution of all amenable adults who cross our border
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illegally, including those presenting with a family unit. if you do not have a plan on how to deal with those families that are arrested, you will necessarily, automatically separate kids from parents whenever you arrest those parents. that's what dhs plans to do every time. so why did secretary nielsen choose this option if she doesn't want a policy of separation, period? like i say, we've only seen a redacted version of the memo, but open the government, one of the groups that filed the request to get the document, they've seen an unredacted version. they say the memo does not contain a plan for reuniting separated families, a study of the potential harm to kids, or input -- listen to this -- from the agencies who would be caring for the kids. so your plan doesn't include a plan for the kids, doesn't even talk to the people who will take care of the kids, but then you tell the american people to
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their face you're not about separation. listen, being hardline on immigration is fine. you want to be about the law, that's fine. but to see kids as collateral damage is wrong. to write off what you do to kids as the price of their parents' entry is wrong. today you heard the world laugh at our president because of his obnoxious lies. they're not laughing now. imagine how this looks to the world. what is america? it is the beacon. e.b. white wrote the line, america -- he was talking about the church spire in the community, but the metaphor extends. america is the white plume showing this is the way up. policies like this bring us down. secretary nielsen, take my invitation. come on the show. make the case for why this is okay. and for the rest of us, remember that the kids are still there and be aware that if you don't
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pay attention -- and this policy is what happens -- it will happen again. that's all for us tonight. thank you for watching. thank you for listening to the sirius xm radio show, channel 124. i take your calls. we get at it. i love it. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts right now. you don't call. you don't care. >> you're on the comedy channel over there on sirius, right. >> you see my face? this is my look that says, i can take you whenever i want, but i don't feel one way or the other about it. >> okay. serious stuff. i know you and i joke around a lot. >> yes. >> i like your optimism. i like what you just said there about separating kids. but do you remember, you're more optimistic than i am. i used to think i was an optimist. i haven't been recently. when i said, hey, we're going to move on to something else, this problem will not be solved, some of these children may never be returned to their families. remember i said that to you. >> yeah. >> we moved on. you said we weren't going to move on. but it's sad that we did, and i like that you are

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