hello, i'm wolf blitsder, it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. thanks very much for joining us. we begin with breaking news, truly explosive allegations against supreme court nominee brett kavanagh, they're being made by julie swetnick, now the third woman to come forward and accuse the nominee of either sexual assault or inappropriate misconduct. in a signed declaration, sworn at the same time. swetnick now says she partied more than 10 times with kavanagh back in the early 1980s, when they were both in high school in the d.c. area.

swe swetnick says she witnessed inappropriate behavior by brett kavanagh and mark judge. swetnick is being represented by michael avenatti, the same attorney representing stormy daniels. president trump latching on to that detail and reacting just moments ago with this tweet. avenatti is a third-rate lawyer who is good at making false accusations like he did on me and like he is now doing on bridge brett kavanagh, he is just looking for attention and doesn't want people to look at his past record and relationship. a total low life, close quote. meanwhile, the white house released a separate statement in judge cavanaugh, about these latest allegations from this third woman, the statement saying, quote, this is ridiculous. and from the twilight zones, i don't know who this is, and this never happened, close quote.

let's go to cnn's sara sidner, she's been going through the sworn documents, and all the information submitted by this third woman. what are the allegations against judge kavanagh. >> also his friend mark judge, let me go through where she begins, she talks about basic having gone to ten house parties in the washington, d.c. area between 1981 and 1983. she says both mark judge and mr. kavanagh were present. she says i would describe them as joined at the hip. she says those parties were a common occurrence in the area and occurred nearly every weekend during the school year. she says on newspaperous occasionser witnessed ma eed br kavanagh and mark judge being

overly aggressive with girls including the fobbndling and grabbing of girls without their concert. she goes on to describe some of that in her claims. and this is a sworn statement, she has written it as a sworn statement, and it has gone on to the judiciary committee, and the judiciary committee has said they received it. i observed brett kavanagh bel below-including pressing girls against them without their consent, grinding against girls and attempting to removz or shift girls clothing to expose private body parts. i likewise observed him to be verbally abusive towards girls and making crude comments towards girls that were designed to humiliate and embarrass them. i witnessed brett kavanagh behave as a mean drunk on many

of these parties. now you have heard, you mentioned brett kavanagh has denied even knowing her, saying this is from the twilight zone, mark judge has also denied all of these allegations that have been made. but she accuses brett kavanagh of saying falsehoods during the interviews he did, saying he was an innocent while in high school, he was an innocent person, that's absolutely not what she observed. >> what do we know about this third woman, julie swetnick? >> she has a very interesting work history, she has clearances, she has worked for the u.s. department of treasury, the u.s. mint, the internal revenue service, the u.s. department of defense, customs and border protection, the department of homeland security,

she put all this in there showing she's a woman who has something to lose. even though women are high profile, they are often demeaned and treated less than. so this is clearly an attempt of her to say i am someone who has something to lose, i am putting these forward, i absolutely stand by it and i spoke to her attorney michael avenatti. who says we want an immediate investigation. she is willing to sit and be questioned by the senate judiciary committee. and also she's considering whether or not to file something with police in maryland. wolf? >> i just want to point out to our viewers that brett kavanagh's attorney, beth wilkinson is going to be joining us here on the set in a few minutes, we're going to get her reaction, speaking on behalf of her client, judge kavanagh. but i know you're getting some additional reaction from mark judge, this friend, this woman alleges was deeply involved with

brett kavanagh at the time they were still in high school. what does she say about mark judge? >> she says in her declaration to the judiciary committee that they were joined at the hip. and she mentions in conjunction with brett kavanagh, accusing them both multiple times of many different things. there are a couple of other far more egregious and extreme details that she put in there that cnn is currently trying to vet. she says there are two other people that can corroborate her story, but mark judge himself has absolutely denied these allegations out right, as have mr. kavanagh, we're in a situation now where we're looking into some of these details. there is certainly more to come. a lot of talk about mr. kavanagh being a, quote, manner drean dr how she puts it in her declaration.

>> all right, sarah, i know you're working your sources, we'll get back to you, thank you very much. i want to get some perspective from our legal analyst, carry car der row and our chief political analyst gloria borger, first there was christine blasey ford, then there was deborah ramirez and now there's julie swetnick, not one woman, not two women, but three women have come forward now with really awful accusations against the supreme court nominee. >> and the white house is denying this as being somewhere in the twilight zone, and republican senators like oren hatch are kind of dismissing this as out of hand. and i think that the question that has to be raised now, is can you have a hearing where this isn't a part of the hearing? that this isn't, you know, you

have protfessor ford and we understand that but now you have these other allegations. and the question is whether this is going to be regarded as completely incomplete. and we know that senator grassley has said, you know, he wanted a vote in committee, as early as friday. that -- this seems to me to be as these charges come in, at least give these women a chance to testify and they want to testify, and then go have a vote. but it seems quite incomplete to me without these other women. >> and the chairman, chairman grassley, of the senate judic l judiciary committee says he wants to go ahead with this hearing tomorrow, and presumably going ahead at 9: 30 for a senate vote. >> they're in a precarious position because senator grassley says he wants to continue on with the hearings even in light of these accusations. initially the white house was

really hanging back and saying, this is a senate process, senator grassley is going to determine this. but in the week or so going back and forth with professor ford and her legal team, the president had a sense of frustrations that he felt like democrats and some of these accusers are coming out of the wood work in what he have now heard him publicly say is a con game. and republican senators are really getting roped. so there's a lot of pressure on them to get this done the way the president has said that he wanted them to a couple of weeks ago. but the question is the votes, if they have the votes to go forward without the vetting of these accusations, i think theically they will do so. >> flake is supposed to speak on the floor of the senate about 1:00 this afternoon. >> and he's a member of the senate judiciary committee, the arizona senator, jeff flake who's retiring, he's leaving the

senate, he's not up for re-election. all of us now have gone through this document that julie swetnick, the third woman has put forward and she declares at the end, i declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. so this is a sworn statement she's making. and it's got incredibly awful allegations against the supreme court nominee. >> it duoes. i mean these are very serious allegations. this is the third set of allegations so they need to be taken seriously. i really think it's a mistake for the judiciary committee to go through with the hearing they're supposed to have tomorrow. senate republicans aren't asking my advise, but if they were, i would be telling them to take a pause, because it's going to be a real circus and it's not going -- there are only six republicans on the senate. no republican women. >> four democrat members of 24

judiciary committee. >> there are no republican women on the senate judiciary committee. there are only six republican women in the senate all together. and the senate majority is saying that they are going to bring in some outside female prosecutor to do the questioning, in other words they don't even feel confident to do the job themselves. so i think if the hearing goes ahead tomorrow, i think it -- from an institutional process, i think they need to take into account how all of this is protecting the sbintegrity of t supreme court, because if someone is rushed to confirmation before all the testimony is heard, there's going to be a significant asterisk over that person's name even if he were to have the vote. >> i half look at this from the notion of how would i look at

this third allegation, this third accuser from a court of law, i know we're going ahead with the politics of this and the public opinion. but i didn't see in the sworn statement, what the exact role that brett kavanagh played in any what they call squall cexua conquests of women at this time. for that i have to take notice. she's stalk g ee's dog abouing character as answer with. also in the fox interview about why he was the con assume mat choir boy. because you are engaged in drinking, you have engaged in sexual assault. if i could have bridged that gap so easily, for people i knew to be sexual predators. -- to call into question whether anything he's had to say in his

talks with senator kamal la harris or senator clothis is whe time. and remind people in '9 # is, anita hill had almost three weeks from too time the investigation completed and her testimony. >> there's an election 41 days a way. but i was noting to your point in judge kavanagh's statement, that in his statement, he does say, i was not perfect in those days, just as i am not perfect today. i drank beer with my friends on the weekends, sometimes i had too m in retrospect i did things and said things in high school that make me cringe now.

this is new for him, because if you listen to the fox interview, he sounds more like a choir boy than he did in his opening statement. >> his attorney beth wilkinson is going to be joining us live here. we'll discuss them a lot more. we're also standing by to hear jeff flake the republican senator from arizona. he's about to make an important statement on the senate floor, he's a member of the judiciary committee, remember, there are 51 republicans, 49 democrats, if the republicans lose two and no democrats vote to confirm, this is all over for judge kavanagh. we'll be right back. hey allergy muddlers.

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their humanity. but we need to. and i admit it feels strange to have to do that. but we in this political culture, and in this city, and in this building, even in this chamber, we seem to sometimes forget that before this woman and this man are anything else, they are human beings. we sometimes seem intent on stripping people of their humanity. so that we might more easily denigrator defame them or put them through the grinder that our politics requires. we seem sometimes even to enjoy it. for the past two weeks, we have certainly seen that happen to both of these human beings. for whatever reason. because we think that we are right and they are wrong? because we think that our ideological struggle is more important than their humanity? because we are so practiced in dehumanizing people.

and we have also dehumanized ourselves. whatever else they are, or have become to us, whatever growtesqe caricature we have made of them or ourselves, before we are democrats or republicans, before we are even americans, we are human beings. as president kennedy said, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our children's future, we are all mortal. and so these witnesses who will testify in a very important hearing tomorrow, these unwitting combatants in an undeclared war, these people are not props for us to make our political points, nor are they to be demolished like anita hill as was said on conservative media the other night. neither is one of them a proven sex criminal, as has been circulating on the left side of the internet. these are human beings with

families and children, people who love them, and people whom they love and live for and each is suffering through a very ugly process that we have created. i will not review the unseemly process that brought us to this point, because that is for another time. and in any case, it didn't start with this particular nomination. but here we are. there was an earlier case 27 years ago, from which you might have thought we would have learned something. but the past couple of weeks makes it clear that we haven't learned much at all. consistently, there have been cries from both sides of this proceeding that each of the witnesses has fallen victim to character assassination. both of them claims are absolutely correct. so i would say to these witnesses, these human beings, we owe you both a sincere

apology. an apology is inadequate, but it's a start. we can govern our own behavior as we go through this hearing tomorrow and in the days afterwards. we must do that, les we do even more damage. some of the public comments about approximaboth of these wi have been vile. not unrelated to these comments, each of these witnesses have reportedly been subject to death threats and for that we should be ashamed. the toxic political culture that we have created has infected everything and we have done little to stop it. in fact, we have only indulged it, fan the flames, taken partisan advantage at every turn. deepened the ugly divisions that exist in our country. these past two years, we have tested the limits of how low we can go. and my colleagues, i say to you

that winning at all costs is too high a cost. we cannot have a human rather than a political -- if we cannot have a human rather than a political response to these witnesses, if we are heedless to the capacity that we have to do real and lasting damage, then we shouldn't be here. when dr. ford came forward, i felt strongly that her voice needed to be heard. that's why i informed chairman grassley that the judiciary committee could not and should not proceed to a vote until she had an opportunity to make her voice heard. until such time as her claims were fully aired and carefully considered. and her credibility gauged. this is a lifetime appointment. and this is said to be a deliberative body. in the interest of due diligence and fairness, it seemed to me to be the only thing to do. not everyone felt this way. one man somewhere in the country

called my office in arizona and left a message saying that he was tired of me interrupting my president. and for that offense, of allowing dr. ford to be heard, for this offense, me and my family would be taken out. i mentioned this with reluctance, if only to say that we have lit a match, my colleagues. the question is, do we appreciate how close the powder keg is? tomorrow we will have a hearing. many members of this body from both parties have already made up their minds on the record in advance of the hearing. they will presumably hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest. one is tempted to ask, why even bother having a hearing? i do not know how i will assess the credibility of these witnesses. these human beings on the grave matters that will be testified to. because i have not yet heard a word of their testimony.

and because i am not psychic, i am not gifted with clairvoyance. given these limitations, i have to listen to the testimony before i make up my mind about the testimony. what i do know, is that i don't believe that dr. ford is part of some vast conspiracy from saturday to finish to smear judge kavanagh as has been alleged by some on the right. and i do know that i do not believe that judge kavanagh is come kind of serial sexual predator as some have alleged on the left. i must also say that separate and apart from this nom nations and the facts that pertain to it. i do not believe that the claim of sexual assault is invalid because a 15-year-old girl didn't properly report the assault to authorities, as the president of the united states said just two days ago. how uninformed and uncaring do we have to do to say things like

that? much less believe them? do we have any idea what kind of message that sends, especially to young women? how many times do we have to marginalize and ignore women before we learn that important lesson. and now if i must say a word or two about the human beings first on the judiciary committee, and then in the full senate, who will have to weigh the testimony that we will hear tomorrow, and come to some kind of decision on this nomination. the judiciary committee is scheduled to vote on judge kavanagh's nomination on friday. i hope that tomorrow's hearing gives us some guidance on how we are to vote. but those of us on the committee have to be prepared for the possibility, indeed, the likelihood that there will be no definitive answers to the large questions before us. in legal terms, the outcome

might not be dispositive. while he can only vote yes or no, i hope that we in this body will acknowledge that we don't have all the answers. we are imperfect humans. we will make imperfect decisions. this monumental decision will no doubt fit that description. up or down, yes or no, however this vote goes, i'm confident in saying that it will forever be steeped in doubt. this doubt is the only thing of which i am confident about this proce process. i say to all of my colleagues. for this process to be a process, we have to have open minds. we must listen, we must do our best, seek the truth in good faith. that is our only duty. thank you, madam president, i yield the floor.

>> senator jeff flake, the arizona republican speaking emotionally about the dilemma he and his colleagues will be facing on this vote, if there is a vote, a final vote on judge kavanagh's confirmation to the united states supreme court. there are major developments unfolding, jeff flake calling this a toxic political culture, saying he owes both and all of the senators owe both of these witnesses tomorrow an apology. our congressional correspondent, i take it that the republican leadership are still going ahead, at least planning on going ahead with this hearing tomorrow morning? >> reporter: that's right, they certainly are, wolf, in the face of this third allegation here against brett kavanagh of the senate chairman of the judiciary committee, chuck grassley told us just a few minutes ago, that yes the hearing scheduled for thursday morning is still a go. he said it would be a dissatisfy, we don't want to disadvantage dr. ford from doing what she offered a long time

ago. and he said point blank that tomorrow is a very important day, and he feels he has a responsibility to continue on with that committee hearing, and i asked him, though, about these new allegations and if his committee is indeed looking into it and here's how he responded. >> like we have done so many times, since "the washington post" story and dr. ford's name came out, we have had accusation after accusation after accusation, very few of them are if any corroborated, are lawyers, if we can make the context, get on it right away. so obviously with this one, we have a contact and our lawyers are on it right now. >> so that's grassley there saying that his lawyers are indeed looking into the julie swetnick accusations and we know that she gave a sworn statement to the judiciary committee, by her lawyer, michael avenatti, and it's interesting to note here that republicans here on

capitol hill, in responding to the new round of allegations, they're picking up specifically on her lawyer, on michael avenatti. we just got a statement from lindsey graham and basically he says that michael avenatti is engaging in a character assassination and noting that he's a lawyer of porn stars, which has brought us in his words to a new low. he says, quote, i have a difficult time believing any person who would continue to go according to the affidavit ten parties over a two-year period where women were repeatedly gang raped and not reported. and why would any reasonable person continue to hang around people like this, why would any person continue to put themselves and their friends in danger. isn't there some duty to warn others, it's outrageous and internally inconsistent and i hope that the u.s. senate will

see that appointment as it is. i thought it was most interesting that he says, he still hasn't made up his mind, of course, he will wait and listen to this testimony, but i thought it interesting that what i do know that i don't think dr. ford is pardon of a smear campaign, which is interesting, republican jeff flake really going against this party by what they have said is a smear campaign. >> and we just got a statement from all ten democratic members of the the senate judiciary committee, some saying that they have written to the president s asking that he formally withdraw the nomination of judge k56 n kavanagh. we ask that you immediately withdraw the nomination of judge kavanagh to the supreme court or we ask you to reopen the fbi

investigation to review the multiple allegations of sexual assault. i know you're working your sources as well. we're going to stand by and take a quick break. when we come back, i'm going to speak to kavanagh's attorney, beth wilkinson, and we'll discuss the latest allegations and more right after this. take your razor, yup. up and down, never side to side, shaquem, you got it? come on stay focused. hard work baby, it gonna pay off.

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allegations of sexual misconducts against the u.s. supreme court nominee brett kavanagh. joining us now the attorney for brett kavanagh breaeth wilkinso. first there was dr. christine blasey ford, and now a second and a third one. how is the judge reacting? >> he is outraged by this latest allegation. he has never met this woman, he doesn't know ms. swetnick, and he didn't go to parties with her. i have received calls myself from women and men who went to high school with him. no one remembers seeing her at any of the parties they attended and they're absolutely serious allegations if they are true, but if that's so, frthere's no execute for her lawyer not going straight to the police. there's no reason for not doing an investigation and any lawyer

worth their salt would go straight to the police or the fbi. and this is outrageous that this is being launched the day before without having some kind of investigation. >> should there be a full scale fbi investigation, not only of julie swetnick's, this third woman's allegations, but the other two women's allegations as well? >> no, no, no. the point is that he was in control of this, the lawyer, he should have gone to the police and should have gone to the police if he took it seriously the minute he found out about it. and he didn't do that. >> you're talking about michael avenatti? >> why did he not take these allegations to the police? >> he did get this sworn statement from her which he did submit to the judiciary committee can. >> as an attorney your obligation is to your client. and if you believe these crimes were committed against you were client, you should go to law enforcement. ask yourself why he didn't go to law enforcement? why is there almost no detail in that affidavit whatsoever?

>> i whatnant to go through som these elements in the affidavit. you're a federal prosecutor, you could ask someone to investigate these allegations as well? >> i'm not this woman's attorney. judge kavanagh doesn't know her, this never happened and he's said that over and over again that he never engaged in any of that behavior. i'm asking you why in this process which has been so debased on both sides, why are people who have these serious allegations not going to law enforcement themselves and saying, take a look at this? there must be a reason, as a lawyer, that he didn't take these allegations to the police himself. no one is stopping him. >> as your client, judge kavanagh already said under oath, declared under oath to the senate judiciary committee, that none of these allegations by these women occurred? >> yes, he was asked these questions generally and more specifically, i don't know about this --

>> he told congress apparently, that there is not a kernel of truth in any of these allegations, before this third woman came forward. i want to play a clip for you, kellyanne conway, the white house counselor was on cnn earlier this week and she made a significant point. >> you see a pattern in their practice. >> which is what? >> there are many women who say they have been wronged by the same man, harvey winestein, les moonves, i'm just saying, when one woman comes forward, others come forward, that's what's happened in many of these cases, and i know it's not for lack of trying that people have tried to prove the same here and have not. >> she was saying the same thing when christine blasey ford made the initial allegations against him. but since then deborah ramirez has come forward and julie

swetnick has come forward and her allegations are very, very brutal in this sworn affidavit. but what do you say to kellyanne conway when you hearing that only one woman is claiming sexual assault, it doesn't just happen once, other women come forward and other women are now coming forward. >> the difference in these situations is there were multiple people who were supposed to be at the same place when this occurred. and in those instances, those people have said it's not true, that nothing like that ever happened. that's true with blasey ford, and deborah ramirez said she didn't even remember who it was when she started talking to her other friends about it. and supposedly there were other women that were there, she's saying she went to ten different parties, there's not a detail about when it was, what time of year it was, there's nothing that would make any judgment of

liability. >> she said she went to numerous parties between 1981 and 1983 and brett kavanagh was there, and mark judge a friend of his was there as well. at numerous occasions, i watched brett kavanagh and mark judge engage in highly inappropriate conduct, including fondling and grabbing of girls without their consent. one point. and then she goes on, i observed brett kavanagh drink excessively at many of these parties and engage in physically abusive and aggressive behavior including pressing girls against them without their consent, grinding against girls and attempting to remove or shift girls clothing to expose private parts. it do you want to respond to that? >> all i can tell you is what he knows. none of that ever happened and everyone who is calling and contacting us who was at parties

with him, has never heard of that and these are the types of allegations that they were going on, 10 or 12 parties, this is not just one time, she's claiming this happened for years and no one else can verify it and no one else is saying it. >> why not mark judge? why not ask him to come testify before the committee, if they were so close, judge kavanagh and mark judge. >> judge kavanagh doesn't control asking who testifies in front of the committee. >> would you like him to come forward an testify? >> mark judge has said he doesn't want to. he has said that none of this happened and it's totally inconsistent with the conduct of the person he knows and the type of person that judge kavanagh is. he ee's given a statement and h been harassed, he had to leave and had to hire a lawyer. he's written a book about his own alcohol and drug use. he was open and honest about that. and he doesn't want to become part of the circus? and how could you blame him?

who would want to be part of it this when every day new allegations that supposedly were around for many years, when these allegations could have come out when it started at the very beginning. why wasn't this brought forward? these are such serious allegations, one has to question why? >> in his opening statement, his statement that he's going to deliver tomorrow before the senate judiciary committee, assuming this hearing goes forward, he says this. i spent most of my time in high school focused on academics, sports, church and service. but i was not perfect in those days, just as i am not perfect today. i drank beer with my friends, sometimes on weekends, sometimes i had too many. in retrospect i said and did things in high school that make me cringe now. >> you've discussed this with him, what makes you cringe now? >> i think we all have those kinds of things that we say when we're 16, 17, 18 years old that

we wish we didn't say, and that's part of the maturing process and i hope any children know if they say something stupid or do something stupid that they will be able to live a life of public service and give back to their community. of course i hope someone would say that. >> but you know, it's significant, i don't think in this fox news interview, he said that. >> he did. he said he had had too many years. >> he did things that make him cringe now? >> he said those act words, he said things if you look back would make you cringe. >> as i look back, he said people cringe. you can check that exactly how far he went. this to me looks like a new element. and let me read to you a couple of other accusations that this woman julie swetnick makes in this affidavit. during the years 1981 and 1982, i became aware of efforts by brett kavanagh and mark judge at

house parties i attended with grain alcohol or drugs to cause girls to lose their inhibitions and their ability to say no. >> when you say you went to ten parties like that, sand you kept going to those parties where you knew that was happening and you saw that happen to other girls? that is something that is difficult not to report. i understand girls who are the victims are sexual assault. but this is a whole different level. she's saying i went to these parties and i saw this happening and i never brought it up, i never thought about what was happening to those other women. i have a very hard time believing that's true. i really do. i think it's of a different magnitude, and it's coming out the day before the hearing? one has to question why. if there's something to it. i would have said i would have expected mr. avenatti have gone straight to the police with these allegations. >> the most serious allegation

she makes, it's ugly and it's awful. i also witnessed efforts by mark judge and judge kavanagh to cause women to become an inebriated or disoriented so they could be gang rape bid a train of numerous boys. i have seen boys lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their turn with a girl inside the room, these boys included mark judge and brett kavanagh. >> i mean it's outrageous. really, you witnessed gang rapes and you never said anything? you have never come forward? we know judge kavanagh has been under scrutiny for months, and you witnessed something like this, as a parent of a daughter and two sons, i cannot imagine not coming forward when this man was named, if that's what you witnessed. i don't understand why they would -- >> she says that these boys, according to her and we haven't confirmed any of this obviously.

but she said these boys targeted particular girls so they could be taken advantage of, usually a girl that was especially vulnerable because she was alone at the party or shy. vulnerable girls were targeted, that's the accusation she makes. i assume she's including herself in that accusation. >> it sounds horrible. i glagree no one is denying the allegations don't sound horrible. she said judge kavanagh was there and she said that there were many other men there and many other women. >> you know this and you've been involved in these kinds of cases, a lot of these young women, especially, they're afraid to even tell their parents, they don't tell anybody, they feel awful, they feel degraded, humiliated and for years they may stay silent. >> i agree and it's a horrible thing what women have had to go through and it's one of the few good things that's happened in this country in the last few years, that the me too movement

has come out and women have been able to speak out. and it's important, but it's also important that everyone gets a defense and gets to face noes accusations fairly and gets information and details. and what's shocking about this, is the lack of detail, the outrageous allegations and the timing of this. when you're talking about years of gang rape, as i read it. that's what she ee's saying, ye of gang rape. >> brett kavanagh stayed this effort to drive me out, i am here to tell the truth and the truth is i never sexually assaulted anyone, not in high school, not in college, not ever. he's staying in, he's not withdrawing his name. >> right, despite what it's done to his family and the process, and i think the dignity of our entire confirmation process is at risk. we have to remember that these people are human beings.

she is a human being, so is he, so are the other people involved is including mark judge, why would anyone want to participate. and why would anyone want to put themselves up for confirmation ever again in any position of the government if this is what they have to go through. >> we'll see what happens at this hearing tomorrow if in fact it all takes place. appreciate it very much. much more on the breaking news, right after this. ...you could learn you're from ireland... ...donegal, ireland... ...and your ancestor was a fisherman. with blue eyes. just like you. begin your journey at ancestry.com.

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i'm joined by congresswoman sheila jackson lee. i quickly want to get your reaction to these disturbing new allegations against judge kavanaugh by this third woman? >> the president should not fire deputy attorney general rosen see rosenstein. this is sad, catastrophic. we've had many confirmations of those going to the supreme court that were rejected that we've had this kind of saga. i think it's sad and there are no winners here. let me tell you what would solve all of this. first of all, it is advice and consent. a lot of people have been saying advise. it's advice and consent. the democrats have a right to give advice. their advice is his name should be pulled not. if not, there should be an investigation. i listened to mr. kavanaugh's

attorney who did as good a job that one could do but she never answered the question as to why all three of these and maybe more are not vetted by the duly investigative arm of the united states government and that is the fbi. what would be wrong of extending and pausing this confirmation process to document? i've read this affidavit, this declaration. it cries out for an fbi investigator to go and inquire of those who were there. they're still around in this community or in the nation. she gave details about the number of parties, particular parties in and around the maryland and washington, d.c. area. that's not a very light or undocumented statement. it's documented. miss ramirez has documentation and of course dr. ford has submitted four affidavits. this is a pivotal position. this is not just any position on the supreme court. it is the swing vote. and i believe the american people no matter what their

political persuasion want to be assured of a justice with the highest integrity. it may be that there is nothing there there, but certainly there's a history of drinking to the extent that justice, judge kavanaugh, spoke about it in a speech at yale law school. i would say this is too important to go forward without an investigation or in essence to keep the name going forward. >> judge kavanaugh's attorney, she makes the point that why didn't michael avenatti, why didn't he go to the police and seek to have a stul-scale investigation? she also says it's not his job -- judge kavanaugh's job to call for an fbi investigation. if the president wants to do another background check, if the judiciary committee majority wants to do it, it's their responsibility to ask for an fbi background check. >> you're absolutely right. but i don't want to get in the mix of personalities, either

mr. kavanaugh's lawyer or the third victim's lawyer. i want to get into the facts of the individuals who have come forward. they're the ones who need justice. mr. kavanaugh needs justice, his family, but they will only get justice if an fbi investigation proceeds or the president in his wisdom pulls his name down. we have asked the president over and over again, meaning the senate democrats in their responsibility on advice and consent. they've given him advice. they've asked for a pause. they've asked for a delay. he has ignored it. and he's ignored it in disregard of the american people and the high calling of this office. wolf, this is not an elected office. this is an appointed office for life. that means the standard has to be even higher because it's under the constitution as the third branch of government, and it is the highest court in the land for all the people who think they should have a fair hearing in the supreme court. that's why this so important. >> judge kavanaugh is 53 years old. he can clearly be on the supreme

court if could be firmed for 30, maybe 40 years. representative sheila jackson lee, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> let's get a quick thought, gloria. >> look, i think beth wilkinson made the point, as did jeff flake earlier, that you can't overstate that these people are human beings and that they're, you know, professor ford and judge kavanaugh are going through something that is quite excruciating. i also believe that the committee needs to flifl investigate these other charges and that perhaps mr. avenatti should take his client's charges to the police. >> the other thing, as many questions as this latest statement does raise about what exactly happened and why there aren't more details, it seems pretty clear now we're going to go forward with the hearing without having heard more about the investigation into these

newest charges. what i think it will do is inform the questions senators are going to be asking of judge kavanaugh and potentially broaden the scope in a way that is not particularly pleasant for judge kavanaugh or anybody in the pursuit of some broader sort of characterization of what his behavior was like with regard to alcohol and regard to women in those years. >> i think it's a mistake to go through with these hearings tomorrow. it's unfair to judge kavanaugh. even if he goes through tomorrow, he's going to have to answer for it. and those skeptical about his nomination are going to have more questions after. it's going to be completely unsatisfactory and it's really going to be a rush if they try to rush that dote the nevote th. >> this is arbitrary. this haste is largely driven by

the mid-term elections and the october 1st argument that's before the court, neither of which is a good enough reason to deny due process to either the accusers or the accused. >> we're going to continue to follow the breaking news. ladies, thank you very much for the excellent analysis. our special coverage continues right now. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. today has become a pivotal moment in the course of u.s. history. the confirmation of the man who is in line to be the nation's next supreme court justice is now in serious, serious question. rememb remember, this is a lifetime position. these justices decide the law of theland for every single american, male and female. less than 24 hours before brett kavanaugh is scheduled to testify on the allegations he sexually assaulted a female in high school, a third now is maki