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telli telling my story now and that's not good enough, especially when you have ford continually saying let's do this fbi investigation. >> an fbi investigation in my mind would have given me more reason to believe him. >> and what about all the drink in some friends say he did? >> that he's never had a blurry night and that he's never blacked out. i find that hard to believe especially for how many times he said i like beer? >> how many of you think you're ready to go on and say judge kavanaugh should be a supreme court justice? none of you. >> i want to know why a potential supreme court judge wouldn't use every single tool he has to get to the truth, no matter what it is? >> randy cay, saurau sotau. >> great to hear their perspective. don't miss full circle. you pick some of the stories we cover. week nits at 6:25 eastern on
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facebo facebook.com/full circle. welcome to "primetime." another wild day in washington and it's only friday. it would really go all weekend long. the good news is senators from both part aides found common ground on brett kavanaugh and called for further review surround thing judge. the bad news is that people keep discussing this development in terms that are not accurate. we're going to tell you the truth about what this week extension is and is not. more impressive than what happened is how it happened. this scene that you're watching put heads on a swivel. senators flake and coons friendly but not friendly. let's go outside. and what happened next will go
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on for a long time. really two men know exactly how this went down. and one of them is hear tonight. democrat from del water and if the fbi looked into the alligations at any depth, his partying may be relevant. did he lie under oath? we have someone who can help answer that question from first-hand experience. friday night. let's get after it. one week, that's what the fbi is being told they have to contukt a supplemental investigation into the shocking algaglegation against judge kavanaugh. critical vote that could have set the stage for kavanaugh's swift conformation. not now. so it seems it was all set in motion after republican senator, jeff flake, seen as a swing vote
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announced he was a yes on kavanaugh, delighting republicans, crushing the hopes of democrats, but then this twist. senator flake stepped into an elevator at the u.s. capitol, suddenly confronted him and identified themselves as sexual assault victims. >> look at me you're telling me that what happened to me doesn't matter and that you're going to let peep ool whoal who do these thinginize to power. that's what you're telling me when you vote for him. >> it looked like he couldn't make eye contact. i didn't know if he was push thing button to close the door, whatever. it looked like he was doing everything he could to avoid the situation, but then not long after he would be the man of the moment. before the vote, senator flake
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rose from his chair. here's the scene. walked to the back of the room, i didn't know if they were going throughout to talk or throw down and then there was chit chat. something's happing, something's happing. soon flake returns and turned everything upside down. here's a moment. >> i think it would be proper to delay the floor vote for up to but not more than one week in order to let the fbi to do an investigation limited in time and scope to the current allegations that are there. >> we're going to get into what tuz that mean? what happened? but how it happened, that we can get straight from the source. democrat from delaware, senator chris coons. i know you wanted to see what they want in this situation. but when i talked to you last
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night and this morning, you were like ghg can happen in this situation and then what happened? >> well, crus rr, i'm here at the delaware city where we just finished a robust town hall. a wide range of views about dr. ford's allegations about judge kavanaugh. but i want to start by saying how grateful i am for senator flake for acting on his concerns. i've heard from a lot of survivors from sexual abuse who have come forward with their stories and i think it was hard for anyone to listen to dr. ford testify for hours and not come away with some doubt, with some concern. it was also hard to listen to judge kavanaugh and not hear the pain that this has caused his family and his categorical
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denial of his allegations against him. he conveyed to me that he had doubts and that he was lis thing to argument that we are making. -- >> i want to -- definitely going to get into it. but we don't see this. we don't see this on like mundane stuff, like budget stuff where you guys should be finding common ground. it looks like people are trying to find common enemies but on something like this so polarize ig. so flake says he's a yes. they come at him in the elevator and he has a repue fragz being a sensitive person. he processes things. not every man tuz. but he has a repue fratation fo elevator. boy was i wrong.
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when he tapped you on the shoulder and said let's go outside, what did you think was going to happen? >> i frankly thought we were going to go and have a conversation about how while we respect each other as senators and hope to remain friends that this was a pretty bitter moment for both of us because each of us is on the other side of what should happen to judge cavanaugh. he tsds this whole thing is tearing our country apart. we have to do something to show that we can hear each other and the argument that you're making, if we can find a way to set the parameters right is something we should do. the allegations in front ochter of us right now. can you get some commitment out of senator feinstein this will be the scope of this? and the two of us were back there talking for a few minutes
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and then a second senator and it a third senator and virtually the whole committee having a very vigorous argument. >> so how did unfold? you said you were encouraged. you must have been in some mild state of shock after the way it seemed in that room. but how easy was it for you to get feinstein and other people on both sides of the ball to be okay with this? >> exceptionally difficult because frankly some of the sharpest partisans on the committee came back and really leaned on senator flake very hard to say this is ridiculous. this process is over. the fbi has closed the investigation. there's nothing for them to investigate and others the other side and accusations started going back and forth about what they were really trying to do.
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>> very stoic. you know you saw the result which is he came out and stood firm. this really frankly is all hanging on his willingness. he vote ood to move forward and show good faith with his caucus. but at the end of the day what will keep this week a week is his willingness and several undecided senators to say they're not going to vote until they hear what happened back with the fbi. >> in terms of your time there and you're known as a bridge builder and the senate's supposed to be about that but you have a good reputation of you're someone you can work with. did you ever imagine that in this, this conected a scene -- we were just sitting shoulder to shoulder 24 hours ago having this conversation and it was like what a horrible day.
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somebody's not tell thing truth when you listen to these two people and their testimony and there's very little interest of figuring out who that is. have you had something happen where on something so divisive, that it was someone from their side who said i'm not going to win at all costs. we're going to do this out of fairness? >> i can think of several instances over the last eight years where on the biggest issues, the tax break change thing rules of the filibuster, somer other things that have been important changes in the senate. a group of us have come together, tried to work out bipartisan solution and often failed. it is very difficult. the pressures that are brought to bear on senators make it very hard to come to reasonable solutions. the last time a group of us were meeting about the supreme court and the filibuster role was in
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john mccain's office and he was the one who pulled together a dozen of us. and a group of us tried to find a sentrist solution on dreamers squr providing more funding for boarder security. it is very difficult to do anything bipartisan. >> so that's what made this so exceptional today and good on you and flake in getting the people's work done in the name of fairness. if they come back in a week and they say look, we tracked this stuff down, nothing impresses us, we could never make a case on this for what it's worth. good for him. so now let's talk about what this is. one, christopher ray's got to be okay with that. i mean you know all the protocols. but you don't just tell him what to do. he's got to want to do it. one week. that's all about what are you asking him to do.
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everybody says anita hill -- it was a limited scope of people they could talk to. here you could slice this a lot of different ways. let's put up a statement about what this is being called, this supplemental fbi background investigation. it's not a criminal investigation. current credible allegations. which are those and whom do they reach out to? what do you know? >> well, chris, as you know the fbi does not take direction from me, they take direction from the fbi director and from the white house. it's an executive branch agency. so i can talk about what i hope they will do, what i think would be reasonable for them to do but i'm not able to direct them in any way. if they take up a supplemental background investigation -- they would question some of the folks who have already come forward in the public and made statements
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about judge kavanaugh. for example you were talking at the opening of the show about the credibility of his categorical denial that he's ever had a night he can't remember from drinking. a kaunl class mate, roommate, acquaintances to say that's not true. we were with him, we've got evidence and there's obviously ea list of folk whose are class mates or friends who have come forward to say we support his characterization. so i think there's a fairly ready list of peep el -- >> what about ramirez and -- >> i think the statement made here was all credible allegations. so there's a number of alligations made public where there are sworn statements in front of the committee. i think that ought to be the first road map is to looking into those alfwaglegations in f of us and i would assume the fbi
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would make allegations that fall into the cat fwoegory of credibr not. it was the fact that by the end of the time she testified, there were real doubts, concerns on the part of several senators on and off committee who were left uncomfortable with the idea that we would push forward with judge kavanaugh's nomination without any further investigation of her allegations. so i think that's really central to this. it's entirely possible a week from now judge kavanaugh will still be confirmed, still be cleared of some of these allegations or all of them. and it's possible further evidence may be uncovered. what i hope folks watching tonight take from this is that we are hearing those folks that have come forward with allegations of sexual assault, that we are respecting them and investigating their alligations and trying to add a bipartisan
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commitment to due process to what was a pretty divisive partisan process so far. when jeff flake said chris, this thing is tearing our country apart. what i embraced was his spear toot get back to a sense of what a fair hearing would look like. for. >> i wear black for two reasons. one, i can't dress and two, it suits the mood. you proved me wrong today and really more than one on both sides. this took a mini village on each side. we didn't see it coming. frankly we weren't sure it was possible anymore and that keeps hope alive that their interests will come first before any special interests. good for you. as you know going forward, you know you got a home here. >> thank you, chris.
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>> be well, senator. what an amazing turn of events. i'm not saying it's a game changer. remember what we've been saying on the show from the beginning. the process stinks, not fair, not reasonable. not good for ford, the accusers, not good for you. so for them to do this today when they didn't have to, the republicans, it's a nod in the right direction and for the democrats to work on it, not get over reachy on it, not decide to die on this hill and martyr themselves about hits the, that was impressive as well. now, what does it all mean? one of the things that's going to come under scrutiny i think what did kavanaugh say about himself? that picture he painted of himself that was perfect, will he be able to paint himself out of the corner. my next guest says he did not tell the truth under oath. who is she? how does she know?
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republicans have finally granted democrats their wish. well, kind of. they wanted to have more review, more witnesses in front of them. but now at least the fbi will take a look. it's called a supplemental background investigation. what does it mean? we're not exactly sure but it's a hell of a lot different place than we were just 24 hours ago. watch this. >> if the president and the republican majority had asked for the fbi to do an investigation at that time, like we asked, it would likely be finished by now. none of us have talked to or questioned james roach, lin brooks, liz swigser, tom cane or chris dudley. >> onow two points for that clip. one, they were talking about this is a done deal. this prauocess has been maligna
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and it's not and secondly there were names there that should be spoken to. one of them lin brooks. right now another person from that list. liz swisher. one time roommate of debbie ramirez. yale class mate of brett kavanaugh joins us on "primetime." i know this isn't what you've been dying to do with your life but i'm glad you've recognized how much it matters now. her feelings that she's a republican, she believes in kavanaugh's pedigree but she heard him say things under oath that she knows not to be true. do you share her opinion? >> i do. i absolutely share her opinion. >> what do you know about brett
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kavanaugh he was not truthful about in the hearing sng. >> i've known brett since the beginning of freshman year. he was one of the beer drinking boys and i liked beer. there's no problem with drinking beer in college. the problem is lying about it. he drank heavily, he was a partier, he played drinking games. he was a sloppy drunk. more interested in impressing the boys than the girls. i never saw him sexually aggressive but he was sloppy drunk. >> you never saw him do anything you would call wrong or offensive or inappropriate to any woman. good to know out of fairness. but his description was i was about studying, being number one, being my sports teams. i didn't have sex in high school, for many years after that. loved beer, but nothing excess.
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you don't buy it? >> i don't buy it. i didn't -- that's not the brett i knew. as soon as i met him in college and not the brett i knew during four years in college. i don't think many of his answers are credible. i question a senator who thinks it had something tootoo with his weak stomach. that's not what raffling means to any kid. >> it usually means you're throwing up too much. let me ask you something. if he is lying about how much he liked drinking and whether or not he got drunk a lot. if he is not tell thing truth, do you think that is dis qualifying for him in this nomination? >> absolutely. that's perjury. he was under oath. >> even if it's not about the
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main allegations? if he's tell thiing the truth i didn't do this to christine ford or what ramirez alenls. if he's truthful about all of that but not tell thing truth about how he was with booze, that's enough for you? >> that's enough for me. if he hadicides -- i would have stayed on the sidelines if he said i drank to excess in high school, in college. i did some stupid things but i never sexually assaulted anybody, that i would have stayed on the sidelines for. i didn't have any credible evidence to the contrary. but to lie under oath, to lie about that, then what else is true? to blur in the highest position in the judiciary in our land and not know the difference between truth and lies, that's just terrible. it's not about women verses men, democrats verses republican.
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it's about the integrity of the supreme court. >> i'm not asking about ramirez alleges because you were her roommate and you don't know anything about it. are you willing to talk to the fbi? >> i'm willing to talk to the fbi, yes. >> and that's a little bit of a scary proposition too. even if you put out a sworn statement, i think in mark junl's case, it was through his attorney. that's tricky on whether that has a sworn statement as others do, but you have to tell them the truth or it's a crime. not a problem for you? >> not a problem for me. i believe in the truth. >> thank you very much for taking this opportunity. i know it's not a conversation you've been dying to have but it matters right now. thank you. >> thank you. >> so this fbi probe, who is it
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good for? i think it's good for everybody. if they corroborate, that matters. if they can't corroborate, this is good for the judge because why should he have a stain over his head if it's not legitimate? and at the end of this week, does he still get confirmed? do we believe there's a change in outcome? great topics for a great debate. next. ♪ ♪ 1 out of 2 kids don't get enough calcium, vitamin d, and potassium. make sure your kid isn't one of them. one simple way? 3 servings of real milk a day. ♪ ♪ serve real milk at mealtime. ♪ ♪
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old saying in politics. when you have the votes, you vote. but when you don't have the votes, you talk. so with the senate judiciary committee delay thing floor vote and the president ordering the fbi to do a supplemental investigation of the allegations surrounding judge kavanaugh
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whatever that means, does the gop really care about the allegations against him or are they just buying enough time to get the votes to confirm him? that is a distinction with a tifrance. but let's take it up with our great debarts. good have you both on a friday night. mackintosh. is everybody in good faith here or is this just delay by the gop to get the votes together? >> i have a very hard time believing that most republicans are operating in good faith considering how this process has gone so far but i don't want to take it completely out of the realm of credibility. i think the second dr. ford stopped her opening statement and women started pouring out their stories. the c span call-in line turned into one woman after another telling her experience.
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they're making themselves be heard. i think the two women who cornered jeff flake today deserve a lot of the credit. it is very rare that a woman speaking her truth actually make as republican man change his mind but i'm hopeful that's what happened here today. >> let's try to turn your frown upside down for just a second. forget about what your angry about. we both know many women have been silenced in our culture. we know this. and in truth everybody's to blame, the whole culture's to blame. but for those wem with whoon come forward and corner flake, if they were really victimized, that's hard to do. he was a yes and it changed him. so what do you make -- to you believe that them allowing the fbi to come in kucutting this deal, do you believe it's an
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unqualified bad? >> no, i don't. i actually think it's very healthy for the country and i hope that fbi has a comprehensive investigation that includes researching and finding out exactly who the leak was on the senate democrat committee that leaked dr. ford's letter to the public. i hope the fbi also subpoenas or makes an attempt to ask the lawyers for the notes that, the therapist notes of dr. ford that the lawyers refuse to turn over to the investigators on the senate committee. so as long as the fbi is not pliticized and let's keep in mind that in recent history liberals i suppose jeff -- i don't want to assume anything but i assume jess among them torpedos hillary clinton's campaign and was very politicized.
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i have history and lineage that goes backing to the fbi probe. so i think most fbi officers and individuals are heroes and do god's work but they're not god. >> we'll all afwree on that. the fbi is not fwaud. >> stipulated. >> they should try to ascertain how correct ford's testimony is and if they can do that in any way that makes sense within their purview including the therapist note said that are not always easy to get. but in terms of looking at the leak, that's not going to change your mind whether or not you vote for kavanaugh. >> it certainly doesn't seem like the most pressing issue as we're looking to confirm him to
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a lifetime appointment. i would be okay with the fbi looking at anything they may look at but that doesn't seem like the most pressing concern right now. >> let me go from sunshine to rain. i don't like being a cusandra. but assuming christopher ray says you want a week, i'll give you a week. fine, i'll do it. what if they come back and say my guys and men and women doing this. i threw everybody at it, they say it's incomplete and they have real stuff, they're finding value oefr or whatever terminology, now what? >> that's going to be a pickle. i've got to be completely candid and not talk like a conservative pundant. that is going to be a pickle. i would suspect that the vote would have to be delayed a little bit longer.
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obviously a discussion between grassley and feinstein and ray and i suppose other stake holders to find out how long the fbi would need. the other question you should ask is if the fbi comes back the information weallredy know from the testimony and just public knowledge in general, if they say there's no more there there, are there going to be any democrats that change their mind and actually vote for kavanaugh other than those moderate democrats -- >> fair point. >> i think answer is no. >> but it's okay because they weren't going to vote yes anyway because of his jurisprudence. you've got to be clear on the basis of their no. so when we get to next week, i believe this helps the judge as much as it does with the
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accuser's involved, because if they can't corroborate it, he deserves that disclosure. i think his sworn statement is through his lawyer. if that's true, it doesn't have the same value that others to in terms of if you're lying. if he'll talk to them under penalty of law and tell them what he knows and doesn't, i think that will go a long way but at the end of the day, if this comes back uncorroborated, are you okay with that and do you believe that would mean no more on this point and whatever you feel about the judge's jurisprudence is fair game? >> i think it's unlikely that it's going to come back with the fbi saying dr. ford was lying and brett kavanaugh was tell thing truth. i think we would have seen him willing to testify on behalf of his friend. instead we had this odd thing where he couldn't do speaking in public.
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he ptsd or -- but he's listed as a public speaker on lune. more than just the assault, i think it's nice to put a couple of days between the kavanaugh testimony and when they vote, because disturbing things happened that have nothing to do with the assault. he lied repeatedly >> the alleged assault. >> alleged assault, yes, i'm sorry. saying over and over that witnesses said this never happened when of course that's not what the witnesses said. he asked the senator if she had a drinking problem after she disclosed her father's alcoholism, which was a stunning moment in a supreme court nominee hearing. i think it's good to take time and breathe about it. >> cavnakavanaugh's a fighter a political operative.
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this man knows how to fight when he's got something he believes is worth fighting for. thank you to both of you. get ready for a heck of a week. rest up. here's what we know. when it comes to fbi investigation, one of the things you keep hearing is why don't we hear anything about the mueller probe? one tweak get to the bottom of this kind of stuff? is that possible? is it probable? what will they do? what can they do? good news for you. we've got a former agent who used to do exactly this. he's more than his looks. he's going to take us through the pluses and minuses next. , w. waze integration- seamlessly connecting the world inside with the world outside.
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what does that mean? trump and the republicans had been refusing to do any kind of extra investigation but >> you specifically asked for an fbi investigation, did you not? >> this also could have been investigated in the last 11 days. >> why aren't you also ask thing fbi to investigate these claims? >> i think an fbi investigation will help both sides of the investigation. >> so let's get into what they've decided to do. former fbi supervisor is here to help us out. thank you, brother, as always. what this is and what this is not. not a criminal investigation so what's the reasonable look at what they're going to to. >> the fbi doesn't typically investigate sexual assault. because this is part of a investigation or a background investigation for judicial
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nominee, the fbi would have purview over this. the fbi has been asked to go back and take part in what's called a cucollateral supplemenl investigation. they can ask ford and they can go talk to people that are brought up. mark judd is one of those people they'd want to talk to and try to get to the bottom of whether or not this is truly an issue. >> guilt or innocence? >> they don't determine the verasty. they're not going to say this person was believable or not believable. they only stipulate to the facts. >> okay. but that would get us farther than we were because not everybody was spoken to. in the mueller probe we're saying these things take forever. what can they get done in one week? >> one week. i can tell you director ray is
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going to put the right pipal on top of this. whatever that squad needs, the fbi will open up what's called a special inquiry, which means they'll bring folks in tdy, dispatch whatever resources they need. is one week enough time? is it just to exonerate judge kavanaugh? yeah. if it opens up something to be further further developed -- >> that's going to be something. so now two big things that you think would be relevant. the first one is the year book. eyes roll on the republican side of the aisle. are you really going to look at what he said in high school. his character is an issue. you think they look at this. >> they would but here's where the devil gets into the details. typically for judicial nominees
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or fbi new agents potentially coming in or fbi investigations, they go back as far as 18. they look at you from your time as an adult forward. so they may not have gone back that far. tha they'll talk to folks in the neighborhood, people he may have work would in high school but they typically won't go past the 18th birth day. in these circumstances, it will be all-hands on deck. >> you like the calendar why? >> you can look at this from handwriting analysis. they can take a handwriting analysis, an exempler from the judge. determine whether or not it's legitimate. so as a forensic tool, it's good in that sense. is it legitimate?
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when they go back and interview other folks, mark judge, snof other people, they can ask them questions that might not have come up in the judiciary hearing. >> that's very helpful and if a week from now they say we can't corroborate anything that was there, good for the judge. but if they say we did find something we believe, what does that mean? that could be the pickle. have a good weekend. so yesterday lindsey graham went mock five, lead thing counter counter-resistance to save kavanaugh. he called it a sham. a very sober, sober lindsey graham. what was behind the shift? next.
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this guy's life, hold this seat open and hope you win in 2020. i would never do to them what you've dune this guy. this is the most unethical sham since i've been in politics. to my republican caolleagues, i you vote no you're legitimizing the most despicable thing i've seen in my time in politics. >> that is a high bar he's trying to get over. all the stuff he's been involved in and this is the worst politics he's ever seen? but then today came. very different response. >> well, all i can say right now is what jeff is saying is -- makes sense to me. i'm not speaking for mitch. and somebody's got to explain this to trump. so i guess that would be my job.
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>> makes sense to me? don lemon, please come in here. makes sense to him. >> never if you ever, have i ever if i'm ever the chair i will never. first he's got the vapors. oh, i got the vapors and well, you know, i'm mr. pragmatic, and i have to explain this to the president. that, my friend, is a screen test, what you saw, to be the attorney general once sessions is gone. >> you bounced this off the old radio show, sirius xm 124, 12:00 to 2:00 standard time. that's my new show. you believe that this really, really significant shift we've seen in graham is not schizophrenia. it's planned. >> yeah. this is just my belief, and not just over the last couple of days. i think over the last few months or so. >> sure. >> since the president really started having trouble with -- or since the president came out
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and started criticizing jeff sessions publicly. and you heard it was back in august, i think the end of august where lindsey graham said, well this -- their relationship is irreparably harmed. they can't really repair it. >> that's true. he has been a little bit more final about things than he used to be. i never figured that was because he saw an angle. what a shift during the campaign. >> he wants to be the attorney general. that's what i think. he wants to be the attorney general. he said that he wants grassley's job. but i think, boy, he would love a job in this administration. he was one of the biggest, harshest critics of this president not so long ago, and now they're golf buddies and now he's defending everything, even when it's the indefensible. >> he was the picture of the description cooler heads prevailed from yesterday till today. >> i know you got to go, but did you see this truth chart that box did on -- >> no. >> there is an answer chart. who answered and who didn't answer the questions yesterday
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for ford and kavanaugh. >> you've got it. >> i got it. >> beautiful. can you give me the vapors line one more time? >> i've got the vapors. >> thank you, don lemon. i'll see you in a little bit. all right. something happened today that seemed impossible 24 hours ago. it's kind of like graham yesterday, graham today. this was even more dramatic. and what it means to all of us. my friends, if you look up in those clouds, what is that? could that be a ray of sunshine? closing argument, next.
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rush to judgment with so much hanging in the air and over the head of the nominee. and then the sunshine of compromise and common ground. you could almost see teddy and john smiling down on their colleagues and their consternation. all of the sudden, you hear senators coons and flake, from different parties, very different pages when it comes to kavanaugh's fitness, but they both saw this process as what it was lacking. so then something happened. atypical, without being forced, not because there was a quid pro quo, flake used his all-important vote to do something just because he thought it was right. to be fair to the allegations, to the accusers, and to the judge, let's remove this specter of unknown about the allegations and have the fbi investigate. amen. but just like the darkest before
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dawn quote, this is not as true as it seems. it is not darkest before dawn. it's darkest around midnight. and the quote is not from the bible. it's from thomas fuller. and the fbi is not starting a criminal investigation or anything like it. in truth, we're not exactly sure what they'll be looking at. at this point, we know more about what it is not -- not a new criminal look into the guilt or innocence. it's not going to be about veracity. they're not going to say who's lying. but we do know it's limited in scope, whatever that means, and certainly limited in duration. the last may be the most troubling. a name we've not heard much in this process now just became a big deal. christopher wray, the head of the fbi. now, the president, the white house, they can make suggestions to him. but technically he decides what he does and how long it takes. it's really his call. and if he says, i can't do it in this time, or if they come back in a week and say, you know, we
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found some stuff we need to dig into a little bit more, well then what? the supplemental fbi background investigation is supposedly limited to current credible allegations. which are those? who will be interviewed? what if they say no? what if they discover this legit lead in the course of this? these are beguiling questions, and we need to know the answers. now, this development, does it make kavanaugh's confirmation more or less likely? i could argue it either way. something new could come up. something alleged could be corroborated, or he could be cleared by nothing being corroborated, nothing from any of it. all we know for sure is that there will be more respect and review given to the allegations than was expected when today started. those women who cornered flake and demanded he look at them in the eye, he saw you, he heard you, and he made this happen. and think about it. if the senators can make something happen on something so
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ugly and hostile and partisan, even when it wasn't convenient, even when it didn't play to the advantage of the party with the leverage and was so unpopular, they did it simply because it was right and fair. imagine what they could do on so many other issues. there's so much more common ground to be staked out. so hopefully as a friday night wish heading into what could be a turbulent week, hopefully the best is yet to come. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts right now. >> you're so optimistic. remember our conversation about ted cruz and the protesters? >> yep. >> yeah. and i told you the power of protesting. >> mm-hmm. time, place, and manner. >> there you go. i'm just saying. >> they were in a private restaurant. these people were in the halls of congress. they're allowed to be there. >> sometimes you feel that's the only power you have. >> and sometimes it works. sometimes it's productive. and today it seems it was.

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