we hope you make great memories today. >> "inside politics" with host dana bash starts now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your sunday. an anxious wait now. background investigation into supreme court nominee with judge brett kavanaugh. >> dr. ford, with what degree of certainty do you believe brett kavanaugh assaulted you? >> 100%. >> none of these allegations are true? >> correct. >> no doubt in your mind? >> zero. 100% certain. >> republicans had a fast-track

confirmation plan and stubbornly resisted a new fbi investigation but had no choice when one of their own had an emotional encounter and last minute change of heart. >> you're telling all women in america that they don't matter, that they should keep it to themselves because if they told the truth they're just going to help that man to power anyway. that's what you're telling all of these women. that's what you're telling me right now. >> midterm elections now five weeks away. the bitter kavanaugh divide now a major flashpoint and a major challenge for the president. >> you see this horrible, horrible, horrible, radical group of democrats. you see it happening right now. you see the meanness, the nastiness. they don't care who they hurt, who they have to run over in order to get power and control. that's what they want, is power

and control. we're not going to give it to them. >> this sunday to share their reporting and insights. julie davis of "the new york times." and seung lin kim of the new york post. two women allege they were sexually assaulted by judge brett kavanaugh in high school and college days. the deadline can only wait, like the rest of us, to learn if the surprise, last-minute delay, helps clear the cloud over his nomination to the supreme court, or dooms it. a senator, whose dramatic shift made this all happen, jeff flake of arizona, says ultimately he wants to vote for kavanaugh. yes, he says, i'm a conservative. he's a conservative. that's what he told the atlantic. i plan to support him unless they turn up something, and they might. the and they might sounds ominous. on the other hand, the president says perhaps this will be a

blessing in disguise and help remove the cloud over judge kavanaugh. the country will be on edge this week, throughout the workweek, wondering if the fbi can find anyone or anything to help settle this. >> i believed he was going to rape me. i tried to yell for help. when i did, brett put his hand over my mouth to stop me from yelling. this is what terrified me the most and had the most lasting impact on my life. it was hard for me to breathe and i thought that brett was accidentally going to kill me. >> my family and my name have been totally and permanently destroyed. this confirmation process has become a national disgrace. the constitution gives the senate an important role in the confirmation process. you have replaced advice and consent with search and destroy. >> we wait, at least until

friday. meantime, already a debate how limited in scope the fbi investigation should be and we'll go through this as we get throughout the hour a lot of politics, in part because of the divide of this. on this sunday morning, what happens changed since friday? >> what happens changed since friday is that the fbi has started to reach out to people. we do expect this to get done pretty quickly. the anita hill fbi investigation took a matter of two or three days, including writing the report. i don't think the friday deadline is unreasonable. the fbi investigation centers primarily around the first two allegations, dr. ford, which she recounted to us in the washington post and deborah ramirez, whose allegation was detailed in the new yorker. the lawyer to the third accuser has tweeted repeatedly he has not heard from the fbi. so it doesn't appear that's a major part of the fbi's

investigation. so we'll have to wait and see what the fbi turns up. i think it's interesting how senator flake's comments to the atlantic -- and i would imagine that is kind of the sentiments of someone like susan collins as well. they do want to get to a yes. they don't want to be a no on their own party supreme court nominee, a man they think is very qualified to sit on the supreme court. if the fbi turns up nothing and we obviously don't know what they will find, i think this could help even -- could help improve his chances to the court. >> let's listen briefly to the president. again, it is limited in scope. if you listen to the president, he says start small but follow the leads. >> they have free reign. they'll be doing things we never even thought of and, hopefully, at the accusation, everything

will be fine. >> everything will be fine. obviously they're trying to put their best spin on this. they fought this for a week plus. >> this is the exact opposite of what they wanted to do, what the president wanted to do, what senate leader mitch mcconnell wanted to do. there will be a lot of talk and has been a lot of talk about the scope and who is being interviewed and how deep does it go and how much time do they have. for those key senators, who we're waiting to see where they go on this and ultimately who say they want to get to yes, the fbi will interview mark judge. senator collins, behind closed doors, is one thing she repeatedly said she doesn't understand why he hasn't been subpoena subpoenaed. that could go a long way to answering questions. >> what's the standard?

cnn's reporting is the fbi will start here. we don't know where they'll go. they'll start here. mark ford -- mark judge, excuse me, judge kavanaugh's high school friend, patrick smith, who ford says it was at the party, leland key sechlt r and separately deborah ramirez about an incident that happened at yale. they'll start there. the question is where do you go from there? to that point, what is the standard that the senators want? if there's no corroboration of any sexual misconduct, they'll vote yes. what if it comes back to the judge was disingenuous, saying i was at church, doing my service projects, not doing all this drinking. is that enough? >> when the president says they have free rein, first of all, that's not the case. don mcgann and senators are keeping an eye on what the feb is looking into but there's no question once they get these

witnesses in a room they can ask whatever they want. they don't intend to ask about julie swetnick if you're mark judge, i can't imagine that a group of an investigatory team for the fbi will not just go there. they will go where the questions and answers take them. i think it's a good question and i think the standard will be what jeff flake and susan collins and some of these sitting senators are comfortable w at some point there will have to be an exchange between the fbi, the senators and these waivering senators about do you have now what you need? they're so much in the mind of this is it, this is what you're getting and then you're going to vote. there could be another couple potential cliffhangers before we know the answer to that question. >> some of the greatest concerns i heard from folks inside the white house last week was as you

prolong this investigation for another week, they're afraid new women will come forward, new accusations, new lawyers, new accounts if you don't have a vote for 10, 15 days. i think for some people i've talked to, there's less fear about what this fbi investigation might show and more fear about dragging this out. you lose all momentum, lose control and you have news organization organizations fbi digging through that may have not come to the fore before. >> to that point the majority leader and the president have to bet on the idea of senator flake, collins and murkowski, do this for us and then we'll vote for you. but meantime while we wait for the fbi -- we'll talk more about the nuts and bolts of that through the hour. you have an opening politically if you're trying to sway susan

collins and lisa murkowski. >> she has effectively won races in the past by capturing independents, moderates and a fair amount of democratic women. i can't believe had an constituency would ever vote for her again. >> i was one of the people who signed in her name when she said she was going to stand up for women. i would never vote for her again. >> on the flip side, those are voters telling susan collins, lisa murkowski, we want you to vote no. you have a week now. the volume will keep going. on the other hot side, you have president supporters saying this is an outrage. >> at this point, kavanaugh isn't just a supreme court nominee. he is a folk hero to many people, an inspiration to millions. people who spent the last two years being brow beaten and bullied by their moral inferiors were bullied by what they said. kavanaugh raised a middle finger to their tormenters and they

love him for that. he is far more popular with republican voters tonight than any single republican senator. >> as we wait, the political debate, which was loud enough to begin with, turned up the volume. >> there's no question that tucker carlson is right about that, that he has become a rallying -- not just a folk hero himself, but for the president, republican candidates in house races how democrats are trying to take the party down, don't stand what you stand for and are trying to destroy a good man in the eyes of these core voters. but women that you just heard from, those are voters needed in places like maine for the senator to win. if you talk to senator collins and murkowski and people in that space politically, they're more concerned about the latter than they are about the former. >> i was going to say, i think

seung min made a good point. they want to get to yes here. susan collins said what he said to her on roe v. wade and what he said on health care has made her comfortable. that can't be forgotten. they basically need to be pushed toward no. and that will come from the fbi, not necessarily what they hear. they're always the last votes to decide. that's the way they'll look at this. polls are very effective and they're very dug in. but it's what they hear and what their personal decisions will dictate. >> very important point. you start with flake, collins and murkowski as a tentative yes. we get into the red states conversation later. that would be enough if nothing changes and if they accept the standard of what we hear from the fbi. we wait for friday at least for that. up next, more on the fbi. once again in the middle of a major political debate.

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35, 36 years ago, what can the fbi find and what can't it find? >> john, first of all, understand that judge kavanaugh has undergone six of these background investigations so the fbi will start there. what they'll do is look at about nine different character traits or characteristics. everything from his character to his associations, his reputation, loyalties, finances, possible alcohol or drug use. to your point, 36 years ago, this is going to be daunting. do i think agents can do this in a week? absolutely. the fbi will follow every and any credible allegation and uncover, unearth, turn over every stone in an effort to try to get to the bottom of this i guarantee you dr.er wray has put the appropriate resources on

this. it will be consider aid special inquiry and individual field offices -- for instance, the allegation that dr. ford makes took place in montgomery county, maryland. baltimore field office would supply agents to run those leads down. trust me when i tell you this, it is an all-hands-on-deck investigation. >> you're looking at mark judge and the people that professor ford alleges were at that party and somebody else says something else outside that box, are you free to pursue it or say no, can't do that? >> absolutely. the president, no one else can come down and say, fbi, you are not allowed to follow credible allegations into potential violations of federal crimes. so they will be able to go where they want to. john, here is one sticking point, though. no one interviewed by the fbi on a background investigation can be compelled to cooperate. so unless professor ford goes to montgomery county pd and they

open up a rape case, rape investigation and then use grand jury subpoena powers or congress comes forth and issues subpoenas and says this person, this witness, mark judge would be a perfect candidate for this you've got to come testify in front of congress. if he doesn't or another witness potentially doesn't then you can be held in contempt of congress. that's the only kind of exposure these people would face. if they elect not to cooperate there's nothing that the fbi can do since this is not a criminal investigation, to compel them to talk. >> one of the questions here, you mentioned the previous six background investigations. did the fbi blow it, did they miss something huge about judge kavanaugh, sexual misconduct or heavy drinking, how will that affect the impact of the agency and what is the credibility at stake? >> generally speaking in background investigations you are only going back to somebody's 18th birthday. we investigate individuals that

are up for positions on the supreme court or circuit court or to be federal judges while they're adults. the allegation stands that judge kavanaugh was 17 years old and i believe the victim accuser was 15 years old. so, would fbi have gone back to his high school and interviewed people there? probably not. that's not within the scope. however, now that we have an allegation and now that this supplemental inquiry has been opened, i imagine that will occur. >> james gagliano, appreciate your time on a sunday morning. keep in touch throughout the week. >> thank you, john. >> the fbi is in the middle of this. the president has tweeted for a year now about how he think it's an incompetent group of people conspireing to get him in the russia investigation. democrats think they blew it. next week's conversation, if they find something, the republicans say it's the deep state conspiring against the president, if they don't find anything, democrat also say they

were ham strung by the republicans in the senate and the president. >> fbi will go back and interview these people. the summaries of the interviews. they're going to note what they know as facts and what folks are saying. they're not going to say explicitly, we think he did it or we think he did not do it. it's going to be vague. and the senators will have to decide what they're going to take. fbi findings will not be a clean-cut solution that everyone is looking for. witnesses and things they found now, 36 years later. but it may not be the answer anyone wants. >> the key point is that mostly the outcome will be wholly unsatisfying to everybody and the process is complicated. when the fbi is done, they send this to the white house, who sends it to the senate where it can only be read by senators of the there's not going to be a

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we are just five weeks away from one of the most important congressional elections in our lifetimes. i'm not running, but i'm really running. that's why i'm all over the place, fighting for great candidates. >> saving the republican senate long has been president trump's mid term election rally focus. now, add saving swrunlg brett kavanaugh. >> the entire nation has witnessed the shameless conduct of the democrat party. they're willing to throw away every standard of decency, justice, fairness and due process to get their way. they don't care how they get it. i just hope you don't sit home because bad things will happen if you sit home.

>> extra week now for the kavanaugh debate means extra focus on key senators like where the prz was last night, west virginia and its democratic senator joe manchin, who wanted the new fbi investigation. he was also open to voting yes, which could still be the safe vote that the president won by 42 points. we don't know -- emphasis, we don't know how the politics will shape out. we do know that the supreme court climbed out of the midterm issues list even before the dramatic hearing this past week. we also know the supreme court backdrop to races everywhere in 2018 and, listen to this, beyond. >> to go to washington and fix our broken government and that includes a woman at the top. after november 6th, i will take a hard look at running for

presiden president. >> not the best audio. elizabeth warren currently comfortable about her re-election race says after november she'll think about running for president. we don't know -- we don't know what the vote on kavanaugh is going to be. we don't know what the fbi is going to say come friday night. we do know you could pick west virginia is one, north dakota is another, indiana is another. that's a question of key senators, vulnerable democrats. then there's the whole question of democrats already thought they had this blue wave fueled by suburban women and they think the kavanaugh debate makes it a better environment. now they have a key week you're heading into the last week of an election cycle. voters are starting to make up their mind. what's the political argument? >> one key test case i'll be watching closely is indiana. joe donnelly, one of the three democratic senators supporting

neil gorsuch was one of the ones we were watching for a potential yes vote for brett kavanaugh. he announced friday he would actually vote against him. if you read his statement, what i thought was interesting is that he doesn't mention some of the other issues that have animated democrats. for example, would judge kavanaugh vote to overturn protections of the affordable care act? that was a major concern for red state democrats but joe donnelly didn't mention that in his statement. he mentioned the lack of an fbi investigation, which was fascinating because four or five hours after he issued the statement we got a path toward an fbi investigation. he has been doing pretty well in public polling. now that he's a mo and one of the reasons he was a no is no longer a reason, i would be interested to see how that impacts the standing in the polls. >> i assume he has the right to switch back, if the investigation comes up with no corroborating evidence, he could

say now i vote yes. his opponent jumped in on that. proves he's more concerned withstanding with his liberal democrats than standing with hoosiers. republicans plant tharg flag so firmly for judge kavanaugh also run a risk. >> no question. you have some republicans sort of on the fence here who really want to vote yes for judge kavanaugh, who signaled that before. red state democrats are the other side of that coin. they don't want to vote for judge kavanaugh. they might actually have to hold their nose and do so because in this state they have a lot of republicans, independents and conservative-leaning democrats. we're so close to the election, it's unpredictable. depending what comes out of this investigation, how conclusive it is or not, they'll have to decide that their voters, who

they need to get across the finish line, are going to be more satisfied or less. this has been an animating issue for the left. i think we're starting to see that the right is rallying around this more so and they're more likely to turn out. if kavanaugh were to go down, i think the right would be incredibly motivated to show up at the polls. if he were to be confirmed, i think democrats would show up in even larger numbers to protest. >> that's the tug of war you if y will. it's like they've got a strategy to drive their support among suburban women down into the teens. the president has been careful, even his own aides surprised by how he has said let the fbi investigate. professor ford was credible. i still stand by judge

kavanaugh. the president will be out there in the political debate. >> that's the perpetual question. can it hold? the president has tweeted a few times about kavanaugh, about christine blasey-ford, the accuser. almost any other issue on the supreme court, he has left it to mitch mcconnell, don mcgahn. he's not calling senators. in a way he is removed from this process and it's a process that a lot of republicans will want to rote for trump over clinton in 2016 because of his supreme court, because of gorsuch. again it's at the forefront. it's interesting on this defining issue for the president we normally see him out gres ofly tweeting, talking at rallies and doing basically the whole full trump. on the supreme court we haven't seen that. there's lots of theories for it. does he realize it's so important? is it because he thinks it's

under control? it's hard to discern why he's not behaving like he normally does. >> it's fascinating. elizabeth warren saying i'm thichinging about running for president. if you're a democratic woman and you think this is -- 2018 is going to be good, kamala harris and other women who have a presidential aspirations. the nation was riveted in keeping close watch.

it was a week like no other. professor ford was riveting and heartbreaking. >> indelible in the hippocampus

is the laughter, the uproarious laughter of the two and their having fun at my expense. >> you've never forgotten that laughter? you've never forgotten them laughing at you? >> they were laughing at each other. i was underneath one of them while the two laughed, two friends having a good time with one another. >> when judge kavanaugh got his turn, he was angry, indignant. >> my family and my name have been totally and permanently destroyed by vicious and false additional accusations. your coordinated and well-funded effort to destroy my good name and destroy my family will not drive me out. the vile threats of violence against my family will not drive me out. you may defeat me in the final

vote, but you'll never get me to quit, never. >> raw emotions and plenty of raw politics. >> what you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open and hope you win in 2020. you've said that, not me. to my republican colleagues, if you vote no, you're legitimizing the most despicable thing i have seen in my time in politics. you want this seat? i hope you never get it. >> and if you think your vote or your story can't change anything, think again. one senator changed everything and it was this poignant encounter with two determined women who helped switch jeff flake from full speed ahead to calling the fbi. >> look at me when i'm talking to you. you're telling me that my assault doesn't matter, that what happened to me doesn't matter and that you're going to

let people who do these things into power. that's what you're telling me when you vote for him. don't look away from me. look at me and tell me that it doesn't matter what happened to me. >> we use unprecedented, never seen this before too often. but this past week was just emotion after emotion after wow. and that encounter with jeff flake, those women -- again, republicans at home will say that's calculated. it changed his mind and the dramatic arc of the story. >> clearly, i sat through the hearings on thursday, sat through the business meeting on friday. you could just see the torture and the agony and the pain in senator flake's face throughout those two days. and not only the elevator encounter, but also he talked to -- when he talked to reporters friday afternoon. he said, you know, friends i didn't even expect came up to me over the past week and told them about their stories. he had no idea. you do see how deep this has

resonated with the senators and why this debate has been so emotional for everyone and why, particularly those senators in the middle, are not just balancing politics but they're balancing these really raw emotions. >> there are a lot of debates in washington that we think are the biggest thing since sliced bread that the country yawns at but the country was paying attention here, 26 million on the six networks who were streaming this. 8.8 million tweets sent the day of the hearing, 9:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. thursday, calls to sexual assault hotlines spiking. this call on c-span. this. >> i'm a 76-year-old woman who was sexually molested in the second grade. this brings so much pain. thought i was over it, but it's not. i thought i was over this and i have not brought this up for years until i heard this testimony, and it is just breaking my heart. >> what comes of it, we don't

know. but this is something different, very different. >> what ever else happens with judge kavanaugh's nomination, we're interested whether he will be or not be confirmed but this was an incredible moment for someone on capitol hill covering this, the outpouring publicly and what it did to the lawmakers, the fact that it was having an impact. and i think the fact that we have social media and have the ability to have someone who held out a phone and recorded that exchange and for people to see that kind of confrontation that public officials are having with constituent and people they know. my constituents have called me, my friends, staffers have told me about experiences they've had because of what dr. blasey did and because of this nomination fight. i do think that this was a moment that will last long after the judge kavanaugh debate is done. it will be interesting to see,

to your point earlier, whether that actually has a tangible effect on politics and who gets lebtd a elected and who runs. >> you're down here, focusing on your partisan objective. you lift your head and try to comprehend, can we comprehend the bigger moment? >> what i was struck by most was the sheer number -- you put out the stats, it's obvious, but of people who were friends that i haven't talked to in a while or friends that have said once or more than a year, they are totally tuned out of the insanity going on in washington, chaos of all the news stories. they don't know what's going on in the russia investigation, on the hill. they don't care anymore. they have real lives. constantly e-mailing, terksing. their opinions were diametrically opposed. but you make the great point, we have no idea what this will mean a week from now, two years from

now. we do know it's an extraordinarily tough week, that people were very much so paying attention and it will turn into something in the future. what that is, we still need to wait and see. >> we'll keep track of this during the week. our reporters share a page from our notebooks. another question, nancy pelosi trying to keep control over a restive democratic caucus. (roger) being a good father

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let's head one last time around the "inside politics" table and ask our great reporters to share something from their notebooks. julie? >> remember rod rosenstein? before all of this kavanaugh situation sort of exploded this past week, it's easy to forget that he was sort of agonizing just a week ago, calling don mcgann, john kelly, white house chief of staff, saying he thought he should resign after the story that my colleagues did, where he allegedly discussed wearing a wire, potentially recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th amendment and remove him. they schedule this had meeting on thursday, the president and rod rosenstein, to discuss all of this and what his fate was going to be. the president, contrary to his typical reputation, doesn't relish firing anyone. right now certainly doesn't relish firing rod rosenstein.

that meet something on again this week while the fbi investigation is going on about brett kavanaugh and try to update the background information. who did senate republican call when they couldn't get chris wray on the phone last week when they were trying to alay jeff flake's fears about this investigation? rod rosenstein. it will be interesting to see how that meeting goes. >> the government will not be shutting down when the clock strikes midnight. low bar for success but it characterizes the appropriations process has moved forward. 75% of the fiscal will be funded through the entire fiscal year. that's the first time that's

happened in 22 years. but 20% will ohm be through december. everyone thinks there will be a government shutdown december 7th. they wanted to give themselves a couple of weeks before christmas, alcohol nonling there will be at least a one or two-week shutdown. we'll go back to shutdown watch in a couple of months. >> he's making a list, the walls on it twice. >> yes. >> president trump was at the u.n. and it was hardly even a top five story in this administration but he made a number of interesting proposals there, trying to cut foreign aid to countries. trying to end the eu. we saw, you know, one indication at the u.n. of where the president is in the minds of others. there was uproarious laughter

throughout the room when he made those comments and after two years a lot of leaders are perplexed by him but there's less fear of him than there was before. people are acclimating to president trump and the fact that he sees foreign policy totally different than his predecessors and we'll see going forward what that looks like. it was totally unpredictable. really didn't even get much attention because everyone in d.c. was, you know, on kavanaugh nonstop. >> it was fascinating to watch. i think that chapter will be reopened to the future. >> a bit of an update on the house leadership, democratic leadership. the democratic caucus successfully delayed a fight on a change of leadership roles that would make it effectively easier for nancy pelosi to lose her job at the top of the caucus. clearly punting that to november was a win for pelosi but it does underscore the restiveness, whether it's the dozens of

candidates on the campaign trail about their leadership and specifically pelosi. three dozen democratic candidates have distanced themselves from pelosi, saying outright they will not vote for her or generally speaking they want new leadership. if democrats take back the house, which they look like they'll have a good chance of doing, we'll be watching that margin of victory to see if nancy pelosi can get that 218 votes on the floor to become speaker again. >> government shutdown, president's foreign policy. lot of drama being kept down, shall we saw say, because of other news? republicans are now bracing for a very tough year in governor's races, especially in the midwest. most republicans think, for example, scott walker is headed to defeat in wisconsin and smart gop strategists already predicting democrats, as of this moment anyway, likely to flip illinois, michigan and iowa. hoyt race? a dead heat into the stretch.

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