will he lose for winning? meaning will his base stay home satisfied they got what they want. or will this all generate more fire from the other side to turn out in the midterms? also, how did today's votes hit those women who put themselves in senators faces. remember the critical confrontation with flake. and orren hatch. survivors demanding they be heard and seen. have they been silenced? he can say he'll be impartial and independent. like his testimony some of the key rulings tell a different story. remember his threat. what goes around comes around. will he deliver on it? what do you say. it's friday night. let's get after it. so it would seem brett kavanaugh seat on the high court

is all but certain after one of the biggest political battles in modern history. a tough day for the women who went all out confronting lawmakers in person. do you remember this moment? >> you have children in your family. think about them. i have children. i cannot imagine that for the next 50 years they have to have someone in the supreme court who has been accused of violating a young girl. what are you doing, sir? >> it's hard to believe that was last friday. it did seem to push senator flake to ask for the fbi supplemental back fwround check. that was the ray of sunshine. then, came the shade. >> don't wave your hand at me! i wave my hand at you. >> grow up. >> grow up? how dare you talk to women that

way! >> these are survivors of crime. shoo shoo, the president harping on the moment with a fresh conspiracy theory known as bs. tweeting very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals. funded by billionaire george and others to make senators look batd bad. this from the man who had paid supporters there the night he announced his intention to run for office. both the women are here with us now. kathy you heard her voice. as she addressed the senator. and anna maria. who confronted senator flake last week. ladies, i'm sorry that i'm with you under these circumstances. i know what today meant to both of you. thank you for taking the opportunity. >> thank you. >> anna, when you look back at

just what happened a week ago, did you think that there was hope for a different out come or did you always expect that we would wind up here? >> i always thought there was hope. that's why i was fighting. i was fighting for my children and i continue to do that every day. because it is a if we do not believe that people have a role in shaping the most important debate in the country, then we will not have the country that we deserve. every day i show up thinking there's hope for us to build a country where all of us are respected. all of us are included. when i spoke with senator flake, i didn't think he was going to change his vote. i did in the judiciary committee at that moment. i think he heard the rage and the pain and the frustration of women. and that it was going -- he had heard it and other people were hearing it too. so i'm profoundly dispinted. i think that flake and collins

and manchin and all the republicans fail to step to the challenge that women are presenting them by saying listen to our stories, and use them as a mirror. for our country. allow yourself to imagine that we can be different and be the one that helps repair. >> the message is real. we're living it as a country. how to negotiate what's right and what's wrong. what's the standard. what do we do about it. outside a court and trial. so susan collins struggled with this. she says. and came up with what she saw as a standard. i want your guys take on what she explained today. >> this is not a criminal trial. and i do not believe that the claims such as these need to be proved. beyond a reasonable doubt. the allegations fail to me the

more likely than not standard. >> more likely than not is a lower standard obviously than beyond a reasonable doubt. or people would argue preponderance of the evidence. that we use in civil trial. the idea of we're going to do these in these settings. non-legal settings. more likely than not. do you agree with that standard? and was it met here. >> i understand this. it was a job interview. and not a legal proceeding. >> right. >> i believe that christine blasey-ford was credible because she was willing to do the fbi process. and the lie detecter test. i would have thought he would have welcomed the same for himself. no, i don't agree with collins. >> how do you feel about that more likely than not?

some articulate no pun intended irony aside. a 51-49 proposition. those are the numbers of the membership and the senate. if you get over the threshold that's all collins was looking for. and that wasn't met here. what do you think? >> i think senator collins is missing the point. these this was a tremendous opportunity. for her. and for other people in power to say these this is a moment that requires a different kind of leadership. the experience of sexual assault is both very personal. but it's a collective experience. that's why all of us were telling our stories. we were saying look at us. look at me. and by looking at me, see all of us. as the country. and do something which you have been your power today to signal to the country you will help change the culture. that doesn't believe us, that

forces us to provide all the evidence. that starts out by assuming that our stories are not real. and that really fundamental fails to understand the nature of sexual violence and the nature of trama. that lasts for decades. >> the problem we had a generational issue was balanced against a generation of jurisprudence. just to get something out of the way. who was paid? either of you. >> nobody was paid. >> were you paid? yes or no. >> of course not. >> did anybody have signs made for them? in a professional way. >> yes. we made signs. listen, we are i am an organizer. last 17 years. building community organizations where people who are regular

people find community, find power. we manage resource rs together. we pull money. we make signs together. we want to make sure that our government listens to us. that does not mean we are paid or that we are pawns. that means we are ready to fight for our lives and we're fighting for the country. that's what it is. >> thank you very much. this is a moment that demands action. we have too deal with what we want to be the cultural reality. we are not there yet. best to both of you. thank you for taking this opportunity. i look forward to talking to both of you. we have a long way to go. >> thank you. >> look, they were asked. they say we're not professional. nobody made their signs. mr. president, put up your proof. so what else did he see here? the politics ocht process it was ugly. so what will kavanaugh's rulings look like if he's confirm td as

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a generation of conservative jurisprudence. that's what kavanaugh may well mean on the court. it's a great deliverable for trump. what could this mean for you? i keep telling you you have to keep your eye on the robust number of appointments done by the administration. consistently young, conservative, male. judges. and they have strikeingly similar points of view on the bench. as a result right now, cases are percolating in the low courts from abortion to lgbt rilgts.

from obamacare to the future of dreamers. and if kavanaugh joins the bench he's going to move the ood ideology needle to the right. that raises the question if anyone on the bench will qualify as a swing. something current justice keggen lay bare. >> starting with justice o conner. and continuing with kennedy. there has been a person who people found the center or people couldn't predict. in that sort of way. it's not so clear that i think going forward, that sort of middle position. it's not so clear. whether we'll have it. >> sitting next to her another justice said the thing about kennedy was he was able to see the good in other colleagues and find a personal connection that led him to go one way or the other. you have to wonder if she was

keen on the bombastic nature of kavanaugh. and whether she sees that trait will be gone. let's start with the big ticket item. reproductive rights. row v wade. will it be over turned? kavanaugh called it settled law. that means nothing. at the level. or next to nothing. that's what they do. they assess and over turn precedent when they see fit. that's why they are the high court in the land. one of the things that helped with senator collins and her mind set and getting to a yes, is that the judge did go as far as to say that row has been tested and affirmed more than once. and bolsters its legitimacy. the problem is it's too simple to see over turning roe as the only real risk. erosion is much more in his wheel house. he has writings in the past suggesting he would allow

stricter government regulation of terminating pregnancies and curtailments on access. that could mean the same thing. another key issue. executive power. he believes a sitting president cannot be indicted. why? in 2009 law review article he writes we shouldn't burden a sitting president with prosecution or processes like those. he goes onto say if the president does something -- his word. the impeachment process is always available. the russia investigation. the caveat is it's not as simple as saying trump will come bf him and get a pass. he said congress should pass laws exempting the president from such processes. meaning maybe he would see it as a matter for congress to decide. not the bench. we will see. and on other potential controversy, you have to keep your eye on neez. gun control. government surveillance.

net neutrality. he fought in favor of limiting handgun surveillance. allowing met data. and he's okay with getting rid of net neutrality. he will allow your internet provider to decide what content gets a preference. now, there is no argument that the president scored a huge victory. in fact he's had quite a week. a month out from the midterms. can he keep the momentum going? and keep his party in control of congress. have the odds gotten better or worse? great starting point for a great debate. that's next. chloe fall in love with iphone xs on t-mobile, and right now, save $300 dollars.

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all right. to be fair, great day for president trump. all but delivering, we'll see what happens tomorrow. on a key promise with his second conservative justice. all if it all goes the way we think it will be, it will also be a great day for conservatives who can now justify a aligning

thepss with a man who flounts so many coveted moral standards. some whip cream and a cherry on top of the sunday of success. nafta replaced. that provides marginal improvements for the u.s. good job numbers. another dip in unemployment. lowest level since 1969. so, this is the premise for a great debate. we have angela rye and michael caputo. angela, the premise is this. is donald trump making america great again? >> so, i take issue with the question. frankly. because for me for my community, this country has struggled to be great for sometime. so when you say again, it's actually an emotional trigger for many of o us. i'm trying to harken to when that was. during the election donald trump supporters were asked when america was at its greatest.

more often than not they replied with sometimes around the 1950s. the problem with that for me and people when look like me is that was before integration existed in the country. that was the era gym crow laws and segregation. that resulted in economic depression. to this day we struggle do clibd out of. i ask again when that was. i don't believe the promise of the american dream. i don't see it happening right now. for us. i didn't see it happen before. >> on a social justice standpoint, you don't like the qualification of again. because you believe it means less progress not more. however on the parameters i gave you. that he got two justices. for his side. elections have consequences. he redid nafta. and improvements. that job numbers were good. once again. that the unemployment rate is at the lowest level since 1969. aren't those things you have to give the president credit for? >> i give credit to him for

succeeding on appointing justices that his side will approve of. i however frown upon what they stand for. i don't believe that's taking america towards greatness. i believe it's setting us back. if you look at the lawyers committee on civil rights report they put out about judge kavanaugh record it's clear that they would be setting us back. if you look at the unemployment numbers, on paper the same numbers he claims were fake. when he ran for office. if you lock at them we have an issue with the number of people reporting unemployment. there are a number of people who have given up. over all we have to look at this substantial economic depression that exists in black and brown communities. the fact they are getting rid of people who are undocumented in the country. and separating families from their children. we have to look at this at not just in the context of what conservatives would like to see. in the whole of america. what is right and what makes us

great as a whole. we're missing that mark. >> a matter of perspective. people on right. people are really happy. not just with kavanaugh. not just with gorsuch. across the board until you get to the tweets and a lot of stuff that comes out of the president's mouth. in terms of deliverables. this week is a dream come true. >> we are. we have a lot of heros. surprising heros on the senate. i didn't didn't mcconnell and graham and collins. and grassly is the real hero. people stood up and stand strong. in a lot of ways because they see president trump standing strong. he didn't waiver on the nominee. like past republican presidents might have. i think the strength of the president whether you like his tweets or rally comments or not inspire the u.s. senate to stand up for brett kavanaugh.

there's a lot of irony in what's happening. chief among them is the democrats i think were trying to boric kavanaugh in order to perhaps juice up their enthusiasm. maybe increase their numbers in the margin. in the midterm. but right now, the enthusiasm gap has evaporated if you believe the poll. and the generic ballot has gone to neck in neck. we'll have a good midterm as well. the other irony, sure. this was this is kennedy's seat. if you look back, this was robert's seat. he got as we say he's. >> they took care of that problem. >> nobody has to answer a real question. anymore. and on another day we'll talk about how what we all saw here. >> that's not what i was talking

about. the irony is they let -- if they had gotten boric. in 2012 he passed. this would have been an obama appointment. it's not. they messed up. and again when they tried to do it to kavanaugh. >> this isn't my point. this is why they didn't mess up. you should have to talk about how you feel about jurisprudence as a nominee. you should have to go there. it's a farce. and it's allowed on both sides because of the fear of getting boriced. as you put it. i like it as a verb. they showed us this process is abject failure. even if it produces the out come you like. collins said today -- >> real quick. i think we're going to end up making kavanaugh a verb. against the democrats i think. >> kavanaugh created his own

problems. nobody told him to lie about his yearbook. >>. the democrats got kavanaughed. >> they didn't have the in your opinions. as long as you held rank. >> it was always 51-49. >> i would like to hear the question you have for me. >> nuclear option. that's something that i have to consider. it started with harry reed. in the toxic tit for tat. if they don't go to 60 votes this is all it will be. an ugly power play. and desperation. have we bottomed and there will be some move to make improvements? >> i think the real challenge i have with this particular process is that sexual assault and sexual harassment shouldn't be a partisan issue. somehow it became one. you can look back on susan collins comments about senators -- why can't i think of

his name. from minnesota. franken. what's interesting now is she had one set of standards she played by for senator franken and a different set for kavanaugh. my real question is we're talking about her today. we have a tweet from susan rice saying she would offer to run against her in 2020. >> she backed off. rice backed off. >> i would like for her to reconsider. i know. i would -- okay. well i would love for her to reconsider. i appreciate the tweet. this is the main thing i want to say. coil lins is no hero of ours and can't be considered an ally. we shouldn't forget the women in the senate like erntst. fisher. hopefully people will do the right thing and vote for mike

espy. we should no longer count on women on gender to understand the issue. thank god for murkowski's compassion. because of her own experience unfortunately. this situation says to me if we're going to be looking for leaders in jurisprudence as you put it. to really ensure that they are protecting what case law said, they are going forward and making sure we are great. again. we need to ensure this process is one that puts partisan ship aside and getting the best possible person on the bench. he had issues before this me too situation. >> good luck gl. >> lying before then. that's the process. >> it's a sham that happened long before kavanaugh. you had problems with the left and right. murkowski and collins came to opposite determinations with the same basic understanding of the process. it stinks. so the question is going to be

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all right. i have to qualify it. you never know what could happen especially in the current reality. it looks right now like the votes are there. brett kavanaugh will be confirmed. we plooef it will be a vote of 50 to 48. that's not 100. that's because senator murkowski republican from alaska plans to

vote present. not for or against. that republicans from montana can stay at his daughters wedding. so, the 50-50 dream of mike pence the vice president. then he would get to come in and be the deciding vote that would hand the generation of jurisprudence. that is unlikely. sorry vice president. a man who knows a thing or two about devicive political fights. richard nixons former white house counsel. john dean. good to have you, sir. >> thank you chris. >> i'm not surprised we arrived at this occasion. i would not have thought it would have been 50-48. this shouldn't come as that much of a surprise. we seemed to head it here. what is your concern of the reality going forward now the process is behind us? >> as i testified before the committee, one of my concerns is a process issue. that is the fact that the

committee is not being very effective in vetting. that is not a new phenomena. people are slipped through the process. and the examples i used were bill reign kwis. . and clarence thomas. i was warning the committee don't let it happen again. it tarnishing the justice and the court. and hurts the american people. >> one of the points, senators collins and murkowski. came to opposite conclusions. but the same reality about the process. it can't be like this anymore. here's my question about that. they made it this way. not collins and mur cow. but the senators made it this way. harry reed, blowing up the filibuster when it came to some appointments. mcconnell with the nuclear option and making it a simple majority. that was huge in terms of decay

with the process. and you have the bourk factor. you get your side a pass. that there are these farces about impartiality and independence they can't talk about anything. they can't tell you where they are until they get on the bench. and they have the freakishly consistent. if you are a move away from your certain direction, one every nine decisions you are a swing. how do they fix it? >> you have to start with the whole process. in the selection. in this instance we of course watched the white house farm it out to the federal society. mr. trump not being a lawyer was not particularly interested in the substance. and this is true of other presidents who aren't lawyers. the presidents who are lawyers get deeper into the weeds of the selection. and this instance. what has to happen i understand why harry reed blew up the old rule. none of the obama appointees

were getting on the court. it was a total stalemate. they had to get couldn't get around the vote. that's why that happened. and mcconnell did it. because he faced the same problem with the supreme court nominee. >> now they don't have to be at 60. there's no incentive to accommodate. it is just zero sum game. they will do whatever they can to keep the other side. >> it would be nice if they could agree to go back to the original number. which was 67. back in the day. >> two-thirds. >> forget it now. >> that is when you knew you had some bipartisan support for the people who are going on the court. to get over that vote. so that would be an idea. it's not it will take a long time to get back there. >> who is the swing vote now? or no one. >> i think roberts. looking at his health care vote.

he is somebody who is worried about the reputation of the court. he can very easily become a swing vote. on some key issues too. so i haven't given up yet that they can actually do justice. >> i lean op on you heavily for obvious reasons of intellectual advantage and experience. i don't see him being a swing. i don't see the doubt. i doept see the determination and disearning in different directions. he hasn't been in the position. he is the chief. maybe he will be incent vised. one of the main issues you want to testify to is where kavanaugh is on executive power and privilege. here's the check on your concern. he was arguing at least in the article that congress should free the president of the types

of processes. why doesn't that give you faith he sees it as a legislative matter not to be decided by the bench. so the president is exposed to process. >> he seemed to recognize or at the time he wrote the piece, at least. it was not a constitutional level issue. it would take the congress to get the president with his immunity. that's consistent with other immunities that exist in the federal system. where the president is immune for example of certain civil lawsuits. that came out of court discussion. really it was codified by the congress. the same will have to happen here. and my worry about kavanaugh is that he is joining a lot of other justices who have had a lot of executive and propresidential feelings. over a long period of time. and when that happens, we have a

very propresident court. and this will be the most propresident court we have had. >> we have never had anybody enter the court with a threat that what come ts around goes around and i'll remember what you did to me. that is how kavanaugh is getting in. john dean, thank you so much. you're always a welcome addition. >> thanks. >> the news is not all kavanaugh. there's another big story that you have to hear about. a verdict that is finally been reached in the laquan mcdonald case. you heard what happened in chicago. the case with the shocking video that proved politicians even lefties better get the investigations right. if you haven't, you'll want to hear what it was about. and how it ended. next. e. that last place was pretty nice. i don't like this whole thing. dad, what happened? where's rosie? i let her go.

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manslaughter charges. that was a 12 year span. 35% were convicted. 39% were not. 26 were left pending. yet the issue remains, i can't really give you any good data. on this subject. because we don't really study. it's like we're afraid of what might be the reality. i can't tell you how many questionable shootings in a year. there was a study that said on duty officers shoot about 1,000 people a year. fatally. but that doesn't mean they're wrongful shootings. so what's the break down? we don't know. we don't study it. you have to remember what the case and life of the laquan mcdonald remits especially to the african american community. there is a process in place to determine whether an officer is guilty or not. we have to remember there could be more to the story. now more in this case was a video. this is why we push for the video and body camera.

if you want truth. to be a commodity. authorities initially claim mcdonald lunged at the officers with a knife. the footage that you're watching showed mcdonald walking away. from police. now, this tape was hard to get into this discussion. and in this investigation. there's been a ton of fall out because of that. protests, a department of justice civil rights investigation. condemnation of the city democrat mayor. and the ouster of the police superintendent. no matter what side you fall on this case, this tape, this life that was unjustly cut short, should be one more reason why officers should want cameras. to exonerate them. show them and everyone else the truth. of a situation. that is true transparency. let's bring in don lemon. this was a big case. i don't know what it will mean.

it meant something to this family. and to people who were watching for a sense of justice. >> it was suspense. it was coming down at the same time collins was about to give her speech. on the senate floor. this is a reason that folks are out on the street pushing for a criminal justice reform. this is a reason that colin kaepernick is kneeling during the national anthem. and professional athletes followed suit. because of situations like this. to bring light to situations like this. remember, chicago is a big city. there's crime there every year. police involved shootings. this is the first one to be convicted -- the first officer to be charged with first degree murder. since 1980. so, when you think about the stats and how big the city is. and how long ago that is. i'm sure there are most officers are good officers. there's officers in the interim

who have done who made some mistakes. but never been charged before. >> for all this talk about blue pride and all that. officers when you talk to cops, they want transparency. and people to know they're doing their job. >> some of them. >> they want people to be exposed. not all. but most i deal with they say i'll wear a camera. i want everything recorded. i want everything recorded not just what starts a confrontation. i want to show what started that. because then, the truth will set you free. you'll see exactly what the instigation was and the use of force. right now, it's too often too hard to make a case. >> well, i spoke to some folks who said -- they were talking about this and also weighing in on what happened today in washington. they said this in a way gives us hope there is some change.

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which side is worse. i really believe it's worth the time, just a few minutes, to focus on a much more important point that no one seems to have the answer to. how do we make sure that what we all just witnessed never happens again? this confirmation process, not the outcome or the assumed outcome of tomorrow -- all of it, soup to nuts, right and left, it was all an insult to democracy. proof positive of all that is negative. the once fraternal senate has fallen. so regardless of how you feel, two republican senators, one a yes on kavanaugh, one a no -- they both came to the same conclusion on the process. senator collins summed it up like this. >> our supreme court confirmation process has been in steady decline for more than 30 years. one can only hope that the

kavanaugh nomination is where the process has finally hit rock bottom. >> i hope so because that means that we can't go any lower. but the question is how did we get here? she says 30 years ago. she's referring to bork. i think you have to look at the nuclear option. mcconnell making this a simple majority. no more 60 votes. that was a nuclear device. it radiated negative energy through everything so that the structure seemed the same, but everything that was alive within it died. now, fair point, mcconnell was just one-upping the democrats, who did the gop dirty on votes on lower court judges. but look at what the toxic tit for tat has gotten us. you may like that kavanaugh got through, but you can't like how. it's all about avarice and revenge. the low point of the process actually came outside of the actual process, from a president who has become like the mr. hyde of this period in history. things still get done, but when

they're not done the way he wants, he goes ugly early, like he did even on christine ford. >> how did you get home? i don't remember. how did you get there? i don't remember. where is the place? i don't remember. how many years ago was it? i don't know. i don't know [ cheers and applause ] i don't know! i don't know! what neighborhood was it in? i don't know. where's the house? i don't know. upstairs, downstairs, where was it? i don't know, but i had one beer. that's the only thing i remember. >> all of those people there should know they were having fun with a complete fiction. the president seems to see me too as a suggestion that everyone should get a chance to mock a victim. unhelpful, too far. please stop. that's the most his gop brothers and sisters could muster in response. ford was ravaged because she got in the way of what matters most to them, political ambition.

kavanaugh in one hand or careful consideration of ford's allegation in the other one. it was never a contest. we are so starved of civility that that little moment of left and right coming together just to make a gesture towards fairness, just one week for the fbi to review, a process that would never be satisfying on the merits. at least that flake and coons gave us hope that common ground existed, even if it's only a desert island in an ocean of avarice and playing to advantage. madam and mister senator, you seem aware of what is obvious to the rest of us. you have made a mess over of an essential operation, and congratulations. you made it look easy. but you don't get to merely complain about something you are the cause of. your challenge, your oath, is to fix it. return to 60 votes for scotus. get real review of nominees instead of this dance of nondisclosure. how can you people show us that

you honor your oath to serve our interests? ladies and gentlemen, this is a call to duty, and it has never been more serious. do your job. that's all for us tonight. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts right now. >> yeah. a big divided country out there that we live in, chris. and today i think it got even more divided. >> well, i'm hoping that we should be unified in disgust with the process. they don't get to have disgust with the process. my one pushback on murkowski and collins and on the others who were saying this was bad, you made it bad. you allowed it to stay bad. you participated in something that was bad. fix it. that's your challenge. we judge whether it's good or bad. you're supposed to make it better. they have to do that because we can't survive another one of these procedurally. the outcome is what it is, man. the outcome is what it is. >> you and i both predicted the outcome before all of this happened. i didn't think it would change

anything especially given the time line for the investigation, and then they finished the investigation two or three days earlier. i mean we saw it coming before it came down the pike. but, listen, the process is flawed. but, again, it is what it is. and there is no corroborating evidence. you can understand that side. but then women are also feeling on one side that they're not heard. so what do you do? back to my point, it's a big divided country. we've got to do something to come together. i think the best -- the best thing i heard all day was lisa murkowski's speech saying if there is a small way that we can reach out and try to have some common ground or some comity -- comity, not comedy -- then we should try to do it. but that's not so easy to do. >> well, look, it used to be in the senate. i mean that's what the senate does. that's why john dean was saying earlier -- and i know this from doing homework -- it was 67 votes.