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court at this time. >> so i say to every american that is hurting tonight, every american that's angry tonight, tomorrow we face a defeat, but we shall not be defeated. this is "new day weekend," with victor blackwell and christi paul. >> well, we have had votes, explained decisions, explained as to why people are voting the way they are on the senate. now all that's left is really to make it official, a senate confirmation vote on supreme court nomination brett kavanaugh is forthcoming here. >> a live look here at the senate floor where there have been debates, speeches from senators all night. you see here new york democrat kirsten gillibrand, speaking for public safety the last 20 minutes or so. while that's happening, there are protests planned for today across the country. today's vote ends a political
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battle that gripped the political world at least for weeks and continued overnight. senators, mostly democrats, were there on the floor. joining us for a closer look at how this will unfold, sunlen surfaty on capitol hill. busy couple of weeks winding down to the vote later today. tell us what to expect. >> reporter: that's right. it certainly has been a busy few weeks. and there's been so many twists and turns into the story and really a bitter partisan battle every step along the way. republicans do indeed have the votes today, later in the day, to confirm brett kavanaugh. the senate will officially seal the deal, and a final confirmation vote later this afternoon. key to all thfl is when we had those -- all of this is when we
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had those key swing republican votes. we heard from senator collins and jeff flake and one deaf, joe mnuchin, who will, indeed, vote for brett kavanaugh later today. notably, lisa murkowski, republican of alaska, being the sole republican who says she will vote no later today. the senators taking to the senate floor late yesterday to explain and in large part defend their decision. we heard from senator collins. she said she didn't think that there was sufficient contraction to christine blasey ford, the first accuser, to her accusations against kavanaugh. she and lisa murkowski, who came to two very different sessions in the end said that they struggled and agonized over their decision. >> my fervent hope is that brett kavanaugh the work to lessen the decisions in the supreme court so that we have far fewer 5-4
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decisions. and so that public confidence in our judiciary and our ohioest court is restored -- highest court is restored. >> i believe that judge kavanaugh is a good man, but in my conscience, because that's how i have to vote, the end of the day is with my conscience, i could not conclude that he is the right person for the court at this time. >> reporter: overnight the senate floor was held open where we saw a series of democrats take to the senate floor. you're now looking at live pictures of senator gillibrand speaking on the senate floor this morning. senators essentially venting about the nomination. nothing they can say here can change what largely we know out of the voette totals and how it will come down.
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pending anybody extraordinary happening, we believe that brett kavanaugh will be confirmed. as we watch the vote tallies come in later, senator lisa murkowski from alaska, the republican, the big no-vote, she will technically today be voting present. she it this out of courtesy, something we've seen happen in the past, but out of courtesy to senator danes. he is going to be walking his daughter down the aisle today at her wedding in montana. so he could not be here for the vote. essentially their votes cancel each other out. they are paired up, and the margin there in the end will be the same. back to you guys. >> sun llen surfaty, thank you very much. let's put the live pictures back up. we don't often see senators speaking at this hour on a saturday morning. of course, this is an important weekend. >> democrats are holding the floor on the run-up to the expected confirmation. in fact, let aep's listen to ser cory booker. >> tomorrow we face a defeat,
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but we shall not be defeated. tomorrow may seem like a loss, but all hope is not lost. i have faith in us as a country. we are a nation that always finds a way to move forward, to learn, to grow, and what is is de dependent upon us is to never, ever give up. >> we have criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor and josh, thank you for being here today. talk about the significance of what we have seen overnight as victor said. this is a very rare scene. >> absolutely. i think we can't overstate how much this has, on the one hand, broken what has previously been decades of senate comity process and bipartisanship surrounding this level of nominations.
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so many unprecedented things that we've seen over the past weeks. the judicial nominee being rude to senator, writing op ed. the president of the united states making fun of a sexual assault victim. everyone sort of taking the politics to the brink in a sort of no-holds-barred tribal political warfare that -- from which the bonds of bipartisanship and process and comity in the senate were broken and -- they'll have a tough time putting that back together again if they ever do. but what we saw from cory booker and what we're seeing from kirsten gillibrand and others on the floor is an effort to make sure that this is not all just scorched earth. they sort of want to use whatever political emotion, momentum, they can and turn that into gains in the upcoming november elections. that's the fight that's ongoing. although the fight over the brett kavanaugh nomination is now essentially over. and you know, we see in the
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polls shrinkage in the enthusiasm gap between democrats and republicans which suggests that the president and his team are scoring a win in terms of their relative chances of doing better than they would have otherwise done in november elections. on the other hand, historically, elections show that anger is a better motivator for bringing out voters than happiness. if you take the two competing wins, it's hard to predict how this will happen. that's why the senators are working the issues so hard right at this moment. they want to make sure that a loss does not become -- >> and on the record -- >> yeah -- >> it would be on the record. >> this is an interesting window. we're seeing a sauter of denoument before the vote. the exclaiclamation point came senator collins and her declaration of her vote. let's listen to a portion of a
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46 minutes on the floor. >> my fervent hope is that brett kavanaugh will work to lessen the divisions in the supreme court so that we have far fewer 5-4 decisions. and so that public confidence in our judiciary and our highest court is restored. >> is there evidence that he can do that? that -- what we saw from him on the 27th which many called partisan was wiped away by his op-ed in the "wall street journal" and he can live up to the expectations from senator collins there? >> no. first let me address how i felt listening to susan collins make her speech yesterday where she talked about the importance of the presumption of innocence and due process. it was incredibly frustrating
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and, honestly, disingenuous. i've never heard republicans speak so passionately about the presumption of innocence more than i have the last few weeks. honestly, i hope they can keep that same energy with regards to people who continue to sit and ross away in our -- rot away in our jails for charges they haven't been convicted of, who simply can't afford their freedom. therein lies the difference between judge kavanaugh and those who come into contact with the criminal justice system. we have to remember judge kavanaugh was never charged with a crime. his liberty was never at stake. a seat on the supreme court was at stake. so he doesn't get to benefit from a presumption of innocence regarding any conclusions we draw from past actions. this idea that kavanaugh's guilt needed to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to eliminate or disequal finqualifa nominee is absurd. so you have the senate republicans who are going to confirm a man who many in the legal profession, including myself, are concerned about in terms of his impartiality and
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judicial temperament required of any supreme court nominee. so you have the aba, the largest legal nonpartisan organization, who decided yesterday to reopen their evaluation into kavanaugh's fitness for the supreme court. you have a retired supreme court justice, john paul stevens, who initially supported kavanaugh's confirmation, now saying he doesn't belong on the high court. and then you have signatures of more than 2,400 law professors who oppose his confirmation. so someone who demonstrated at his senate hearing such strong political partiality, who believes this whole thing was orchestrated by -- by, you know, a political hit, by legal or by left-wing groups. how can someone like that preserve the integrity and -- and transparency and legitimacy of the supreme court? >> let me -- let me expand that a little bit because you brought up a good point, and it's one that i've heard a lot of people talking about. an allegation does not equate to
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guilt. how do we go from this point on to balance listening and believing and hearing women or men who have a acceptstive allegation to make -- sensitive allegation to make, how do we balance that with utah process for an alleged perpetrator -- with due process for an alleged perpetrator? >> that's what's frustrating. people were acting as if the senate hearing was a criminal proceeding, and it wasn't. we can listen to victims, people who make accusations of sexual misconduct or assault, and also give the person that's being accused their rights to defend themselves. but this was not that hearing. this was a hearing in order to assess someone's character and fitness. i have to apply to the bar in order to sit for a test. they have to assess my character and fitness. that something we need to do for anyone up for a job. he's not owed this job. he's not in criminal court where his life is at stake.
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his liberty's at stake. he knows that. and so -- i'm sorry? >> should he be for the allegations that are against him? >> well, she's barred. dr. ford would be barred by a statute of limitations. maryland used to have a statute of limitations back in 1982 for a year with regards to sexual assault. they've changed that since, and now there is no statute of limitations, we can go back. if that weren't the case, i would say yes, why can't that be investigated. we know that outcries are made late all the time for various, legitimate reasons. i would say that if she could, why not, absolutely. >> josh, let me come to you quickly on the process of confirmation. both parties agree that this process was i'll call it messy, they used other terms for it. some have bemoaned the 60-vote threshold for justices s. there
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any appetite or traction to change that? >> i have been covering congress for 15 years, and i've seen a degradation of process and bipartisanship going on that entire time. that said, this is the worst that i've ever seen it. people always sort of wonder, oh, well, when you gerrymander districts and when you sort of get hyper-partisan lawmakers and destroy the mechanisms of the congress meant to encourage bipartisanship, and all of a sudden the congress can't work together or function the beltway's supposed to, how did that map -- function the way it's supposed to, how did that happen? we're seeing the political hyper-partisanship spilling into the judiciary. it was only a matter of time before that happened. and this erosion of the center of our politics where even people like jeff flake and bob corker and, you know, they can't survive. and now who knows what's going to happen with susan collins and lisa murkowski and joe mnuchin.
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we've created a political culture in our country where the center can't survive, okay. and now that that's becoming ingrained in our political culture, it's now being to become ingrained in our judicial culture. that has horrible effects for both the sort of ability of our country to function the way it was designed politically and now legally, both in the short-term and in the long term that i think we're only sort of beginning to wrap our heads around. >> jeff, nyadit, thank you. president trump prepares to cap what may be the biggest week of his presidenty with a campaign rally in can -- presidency with a campaign rally in kansas. and have you seen this man? the president of interpol. he is missing this morning. we've transformed this home to show the new keurig k-café brewer is so easy, it makes any house a coffee house. rinsky's coffee house is open! pop that in for a coffee or brew a shot and froth fresh milk for a latte or cappuccino. easy peasy. now she's a barista!
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for trump. >> the drop to the unemployment rate to a 49-year low. expect to hear about all of it when the president tramvels to kansas for a campaign rally. joe johns, the president has a lot to brag about over the last seven days. >> reporter: certainly does. the 49-year unemployment low goes back to 1969, the last time the jobless rate was this low. the president and people at the capitol, at the white house were focused on the susan collins speech. probably the moment of the week the last seven days or so when susan collins of maine, the senator, went to the floor to explainler reasoning, her think -- explain her reasoning, her thinking about the kavanaugh nomination and at that time announced that she would, in fact, vote in favor of the kavanaugh nomination. here at the white house, quite a sce scene. behind the scene, the members of
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the oval office, senate, getting ready for the president to sign a reauthorization of the federal aviation administration. the president asked if they wanted to sit and watch the speech by senator collins of maine, and so they did. the president described here as a very happy and in a good mood, frankly, about the developments on capitol hill as we move closer now to the nomination vote. presumably kavanaugh being confirmed as a justice of the united states supreme court. we have the jobless numbers, factors, of course, the president has had wins, he says, on trade, his really wetwo weekg of the north american free trade agreement.
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while the president has kept a campaign promise, getting another apparently jurist on the supreme court on the conservative side, the left has been very much galvanized, as well, in this fight over this nomination. we expect the president in topeka, at a campaign rally, trying to get house members shored up as we move tsoward th midterm elections. he is expected to appear before the cameras on his way to topeka before that vote. he's also expected to have that rally after the vote. a couple opportunities to hear from the president on kavanaugh and other matters. back to you. >> joe johns at the white house. thank you very much. >> thank you. america's top diplomat is in japan. mike pompeo making a stop on a swing through east asia to meet with japanese prime minister shinzo abe. after that, the secretary of state will head to pyongyang and
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just a few hours now, brett kavanaugh's supreme court nomination going to a final senate vote later today. right now it looks like he is sure to be confirmed. senators collins, flake, and mnuchin backing him. >> senator lisa murkowski is the lone republican who opposes the judge but will vote present. that's as a gesture to senator steve danes so he won't have to leave his daughter's wedding and can walk her down the aisle. essentially a -- it's an even -- even stein kime of thing. >> yes, even trade. for weeks, kavanaugh's confirmation process has been a heated battle on capitol hill. really heated across the country with hours of hearings, fbi investigations, of course, because of those allegations of sexual assault. >> chief counsel and policy direction for the judicial
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council with us. thank you for being with us. a lot of questions as this process as a whole and the image it's left in people's minds about the senate. do you think that there's some cleanup to do? >> yeah. i mean, i thought senator collins' statement was so eloquent yesterday talking about how frustrated she was seeing everything from the misrepresentations of kavanaugh's record to the presumption of guilty until proven innocent. this is coming from someone also who has experienced incredible levels of harassment. people not only just on our front lawn shouting, screaming, but people threatening her staff, saying we want you to be raped and impregnated. people threatening to spit in her food. what she views as bribery, this fugofundme campaign against her. we've seen a staffer charged with releasing personal information, a security risk, as well. some of the ugliness we've seen surrounding this is something i hope we've -- on all sides learned a lesson from and let's
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move past this going forward. >> there's been a lot of ugliness behind the scenes, as well. i want to ask about the reports that george w. bush had several conversations specifically with senator redskins. what does it mean that it seeps and can you clarify that the conversations with the past president may have swayed her more than conversations with the present president? >> i hadn't heard those stories yet, but it doesn't surprise me. president bush worked closely with judge kavanaugh obviously in his previous capacity. he would know more than anything i think having seen him under pressure in the situations how he behaves, and i think highways watched with interest his dozen years on the bench. i think that gives you an opportunity for hear from someone who really understands brett kavanaugh as a man and also as a judge with his
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well-known service on the supreme court. >> we heard from senator collins saying she hopes he is less een divisiveness. does any of the lead up -- today there are going to be a lot of protests out there. a lot of women who say i want my voice to be hrksd and they believe that this -- heard, and they believe this vote cancels it out. is there any way that the lead up we have seen to what's going to happen later today is an indication of how he'll or will shape how he will rule on the bench? i mean, we know that it's not going to itsly change his idealogy -- it's not going to necessarily change his idealogy. do you see him using a measured language when he is writing opinions, so that he will modify anything to try to adjust to the climate we're in now? >> well, with judge kavanaugh, we're looking at someone with a long record on the bench. he had a contentious hearing
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last time around. he was filibustered, had to have a second round of hearings years later. there was controversy. nonetheless, what has a record on the bench that was really known and had a strong reputation of evenhapp-handedne people saying i know he'll be fair to prospectives on both sides of the aisle. i think he will return to that pattern. we've seen contentiousness outside, but susan collins views the me too movement as important, but it's not fair to assume that a vote in favor of judge kavanaugh means we are ignoring people, ignoring when we can respect their voice while disagreeing in this one case about the -- you know, whether she's allegations had contraction, had any -- corroboration, had any evidence. i think for judge kavanaugh, he's going to be back to being the judge he's been for the last dozen years. that's somewhere where i think it's good that he has this to go
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his family in nearly two weeks at this point. cnn has more from hong kong. sam, what do we know? >> reporter: well, we know according to "the south china post" here in hong kong, according to them he was picked up at the end of september when he arrived from france at an unknown location inside china, at an airport, and rapidly taken into detention by the communist party, not by the police or secret police, and that would have been a doubled irony. not only is he the president of the interpol, the international police liaison organization, but he's the vice minister of public safety in china. one of his responsibilities there is at least part of the police force. so he has been taken, we understand, according to the local media reports, into detention by the communist party for reasons that have not been explained. not only interpol says anything other than this is an issue between france and china.
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they're not commenting any further. the french say he didn't disappear on french territory. this is a highly sensitive issue clearly. so sensitive, indeed, that this is what it looked like when my colleague was broadcasting on the subject just a few hours ago inside china. look at where the chinese start to cut him off. let's roll that tape. wi we have a malfunction on that tape, a great relief probably to chinese authorities. in any case, with blocking all and any reports suggesting that mr. meng has disappeared. that is certainly the view of his family. this, of course, against the background of the fan bingbing, the most famous actress in china who vanished for three to four months before issuing a statement saying that she expects to be released in return for the payment of $130 million allegedly in back tax. we do not know officially in any
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way at all where mr. meng is. >> all right. mysterious one indeed. sam kiley for us. thank you. >> thank you, sam. want to go to indonesia with you now. there is hope of finding survivors, but not a lot of it sadly at this point. more than a week since the devastating earthquake and tsunami. rescuers searching for more than 1,000 missing people. few have been found alive. more than 1,600 have died. the number is likely to rise as information from remeote areas trickle in. first lady melania trump is in egypt where she toured the ancient pyramids. it's part of her "be best" campaign that focuses children's health care. still to come, a chicago jury finds a police officer guilty of murder. coming up, the sentence this officer could face. liberty mutual saved us almost $800 when we switched our auto and home insurance.
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a chicago police officer could spend decades in prison after been convicted in the 2014 shooting of laquan mcdonald. the jury took two days to find police officer jayson van dyke guilty of second-degree murder. he said he fired in defense after mcdonald lunged at him with a knife. grainy police cam video showed mcdonald walking away from the officers. release of the video led to protests. a justice department civil rights investigation and eventually van dyke's arrest. >> you can't shoot someone 16 times who doesn't appear to pose an imminent threat to you, no other officer on the scene fired. the value of that is that why did you act so differently from your compatriots. those officers testified saying they didn't seem to share your
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fear or concern. and i think the second-degree murder result which was lesser included, i should sadd, the distinction for the viewers briefly is that they felt that he thought that he had lawful justification, that his officer, van dyke did, but it was unreasonable and unjustified. that made it second-degree murder. judge brett kavanaugh's supreme court nomination heads to a final senate vote today after days of hearings, fbi investigations, allegation of sexual assault. former lieutenant governor of south carolina, political commentator and democratic strategist joining us. good morning to you. andre, maria. it's been a bit, andre, how you been, man? >> good morning. >> maria, welcome back. >> thank you, thank you. >> all right. welcome back. maria, good to see you, as well. >> thanks. >> andre, let me ask you about the comment from former supreme court justice john paul stevens.
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he said of judge kavanaugh's partisan comments on the 27th of september, i think there were several commentators with written pieces that demonstrate his potential pie i can't say involving unusual potential litigants before the court that he would not be able to perform his full responsibility, it's not healthy to get a new justice who can only do a part-time job. what's your concern that despite the job in the "wall street journal" that he damaged himself as it relates to the impartiality of a supreme court justice? >> i think so much of this is from what side you're looking at this. and of course, most conservatives feel like he was overly vetted. he was mistreated. and that he has for years had a stellar reputation. from every person that ranks lawyers or judges, and that he's never had a complaint before. and so you know, if looking from the other side it's vastly
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different. so i think you see a big divide in this country with folks that feel like brett kavanaugh's the right man or either dr. ford wasn't treated justly. from my perspective it seems like he was more than vetted. if you look at all the folks that have applied for this job before, if that's what you would call it, he had almost 1,300 questions which is almost 1,000 more than the average person that goes before the united states senate to be confirmed for this job. so from a conservative's perspective that does support judge kavanaugh, i see a pattern where he has overly gone far beyond what most of them go through to be confirmed. and he has a record that from the bench perspective has never been questioned. >> maria, overly vetted, andre says. >> again, i do agree with andre that this is -- it depends on where you come from in terms of perspective, and this has been divisive. that's the problem. this has been one of the most
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divisive, hurtful confirmation processes and hearings that we've been through. it not only taints brett kavanaugh it taints the supreme court, which should be one of the most venerable institutions we have in the country. my question to republicans is, couldn't you find somebody else who was equally as experienced and equally as -- as capable as they believe he was, but without the atrocious black cloud that is going to be following him into one of the highest institutions in the land? one that actually will divide this country for years and years to come? coo d do they really believe this was that important to get this particular person on to the supreme court? do they have no other lawyers that they believe could have come as good or better than him? >> let's have andre answer that, and then i've got another question.
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go ahead, andre. >> this pick had an unblemished record. a superior rating in every aspect. quite frankly, the democrats -- >> that's not true, andre. >> -- it was not there. and it has not been substanted -- >> that's not true. >> with all due respect to dr. ford, she made an allegation, and several different bodies went to try to clarify it. she provided four different individuals, her friends, not his, who could not in fact they said just the opposite and then the fbi did a check and again they couldn't find any factual evidence. i have a daughter. i worry about anyone who makes this claim. and dr. ford has a legitimate claim that needs to be addressed. but you're innocent until proven guilty. >> that's not the case. >> it is the case. >> this is not a criminal court. >> andre you say you have a daughter and worried about anyone who makes these type of claims. if your daughter put forth a
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dozen list of people who kraub rotted and they didn't speak to them, would you think that was a valid investigation. >> if my daughter provided her four best friends and they said she never met him, doesn't reall this party, i would ask my dotter to rethink what may have happened. if you can't remember any other fact -- i wouldn't interrupt you while you're talking number one. >> you would ask your own daughter to reconsider -- >> if my daughter 37 years later could only recant the individual. couldn't recant any other information, then i would be worried does she have her facts right. and her best friend can't -- >> let me stop right here. we've all heard the points. but i thing this is unfair to entre's tauter.
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daughter. so let's move on from here. >> he brought it up. >> he did but you have an actual daughter. this isn't theoretical. when asked why there aren't more women on thesont judiciary committee he said it's a lot of work. we have an executive every thursday -- so it's a lot of work. maybe they don't want to to it. we was asked to clarify that later. he said well it's a lot of work for men too. is that why there's been a lot of republican women on the senate judiciary? >> he seems to be a pretty fair and reasonable guy. i've never seen him be a real partisan issue. >> that ain't partisan. >> i just meant to say he's
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always been a guy i thought was fair and reasonable. i haven't talked to hum. i haven't seen the footage but i know it came off not the way anyone would want it to. and i'm sure he regrets saying it. >> one other thing. a cnn contributor tweeted out who wants to run for senate in maine? there would be an army with you and susan rice responded me. are you convinced the dissatisfaction of the collins vote will still be potent two years down the line when collins is up for reelection for ambassador rice or anybody else? >> absolutely, victor. i have already been invited to start knocking on doors for 2022 for susan collins. there is no question this will have huge reverberating consequences for republicans who
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voted the way they did. but the reason for that, victor is the two things that you just brought up on theing isment. trrs the first one is grassley's disgusting, sexist comments, which is exactly how so many women view the republican party in terms of the disdain they have for women. that has been something clearly known and perceived from this republican party and what they did with brett kavanaugh underscores that -- >> 10 seconds. >> okay. when you're a victim of sexual assault, you hardly ever have anybody else in the room. that is the nature of sexual assault. this does not have happen publicly. so you're very rarely going to have corroborating witnesses there. >> but if you get your best friend -- >> we have to wrap it there.
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