>> girl with balloon sold for about $4.1 million. the moment the gavel hit, it zeflstructed shredded out of the frame. it's not clear whether it's worth more or less >> we're going to see you back here in an hour. ♪ ium with rr michael smerconish. well, he's in. brett kavanaugh due to be confirmed for a job that was suppose ood be above the political pay for. an all-night vigil on the senate floor. i'll talk to one senator who tried to it lay the vote with a

huge trove of kavanaugh documents. the economy humming along. the unemployment rate has falln to 3.7%, its lowest since 1969. i'll ask james car vel is it still the economy, stupid. and the senior adviser for trade and manufacturing. plus mike pompeo and nikki haley attacking formersic reitary john kerry. and where does kerry think the country is heading? and what we just witnessed is a simpment, not a cause. we should all agree on one thing, what was once regarded as the world's premier body is now almost void of independence. it's divided 51-49 in favor of

republicans. yesterday was decided by that same margin. one republican, one democrat. in other words 50 republicans saw it one way, while lisa murkowski went another. while democrats, only joe manchian agreed. so why tid congress? while they were consumed with partisan ranker, a michigan state university professor published a study documenting the polarization among elected officials is autoa modern all-time high. and cannot get any higher. dr. zachary neal performed a unique study. he studied data showing who sponsored bills in congress

between 1973 and 2016. the average member of congress co sponsors only about 200. and what usually determens what they'll co sponsor, the party affiliation of the proposer. one solution to the problem would be the election of more sentrists to congress. here's potential good news. stanford's hoover institution published this. polarization, party sorting and political stalemate. americans are no more politically divided now than we were in the '70s. it's the partyies and politicians that have sorted into narrow groups that don't represent many of the rest of us. but the typical democrat or republican voters has not

adopted extreme idialogical views. it's personal now. but gnaw issue driven. and according to the latest gala poll just 26% of americans call themselves republicans, 27% democrat, 44% say i'm an independent. the point is this, yes, there's political division in the nation. too much. but congress is in much worse shape than the rest us. after republican susan collins speech, democrats held the floor for debate overnight, including senator merkley who dade shift last night and again early this morning. while you and your call oogss were on the floor, you may have missed something. bill mahr said something interesting. >> it does seem like things have

morphed from listen to anyone to everyone who's been wronged to automatically believe. that's what is scary. >> does he have a valid point? >> i couldn't catch the beginning of that but was the gist that we should listen to women who assert their stories of assault? >> yeah, it's that we should lisson for sure and be fair and judge what they're saying but not automatically believe. he articulated a concern that somewhere along the way the #me troorr movement has shifted into you've but to fwhifb benefit of the doubt to the woman who's make thing claim. >> and that continues until now where so many of these arguments are he said, she said and society automatically attacks the woman and doesn't look into the cred canability of her

presentation and we saw that senate did exactly that. this fbi investigation, for example, that was directed and narrowed by a scoping document by the white house did not talk to a single one of the eight individuals that dr. ford asked them to speak to. and they did not speak to one of the 20, not 20, zero of the 20 vinyls that debbie ramirez asked to be talked to. and so it was set up simply as he said, she said. these sort of things cannot be determined. you have to have a pattern of corroboration and if you deliberately exclude who can corroborate, then it's a sham. not fbi's fault because they're only able to talk to the people they're instructed to on these background investigations. >> on that subject of corroboration, your colleague susan collins said something

interesting in her speech. >> i believe that she is a survivor of a sexual assault and that this trauma has upended her life. nevertheless the four witnesses she named could not corroborate any of the events of that evening gathering where she says the assault occurred. >> is it true, senator there was no corroboration in that report? you've read it. >> the report did not talk to any of the eight individuals that dr. ford asked to be spoken to. so that is accurate. but the point is of course you're not going to find corroboration if you don't talk to the individuals that have been suggested. there's a whole pattern of activity here and this falls somewhere between the concept off a job interview and as

senator collins said last night. the concept one is innocent until proven guilty. we're not on either end of the spectrum. we're in the middle of that and in the middle of that you want to get to the pattern. we saw that kavanaugh directly defamed a young woman in his high school year book, participating with other men saying they were part of a club that had been aggressive towards her and then he eproceeded to say that was simply a club about what good friend she was and then we have the pattern of him joining a fraternity that has a reputation for mistreating women and then we saw he joined a secret society that had a repue fragz mistreating women and then in his freshman year, his mate who lived right with him reported he heard about this incident with debbie ramirez and he relayed it to a friend, his roommate the first year of graduate school.

those individuals were not talked to. but that entire pattern has to be taken into account when deciding if this person is fiet serve on the supreme court of the united states of america and clearly he is not. >> collins said in the end she thought it falled to meet the more likely than not standard. do you think dr. ford met that standard? >> if the standard is more likely than not and you see the pattern and the corroboration of debbie ramirez's experiences. yes, it's more likely than not he assaulted her in the fashion she described. >> thank you for being here. >> you're welcome can. >> from facebook, what do we have. it amazes me the democrats have become such obstructionests to the point of a planned smear

campaign. i can their democrats responding to you in their living rooms and kitsch canens right now saying we're the obstructionests? we wanted merrick garland and for a year barack obama couldn't put anybody in that position. what's the next one? hey, brett, me think thou dos protest too much. if you were a legitimate candidate, people wouldn't have to taken a hour explaining why. i like the logical manner in which she tried to lay out heir thinking. and therefore i applaud the independence i think she exhibited, even though in the end she voted along with her party members. go to my website and answer the question. i showed you the video of bill mahr last night. is he right when he says the #me too movement has now mufred from

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despite all the tumult in washington, it keeps humming along. twhil economy be the factor that could help rally supporters for the midterms? i speak with political strategist. the most predictable question madgeinable. 3.7% unemployment, a 49-year low but against the back drop of kavanaugh and russia. is it still the economy, stupid? >> i think it's always -- the economy is always a big issue. the economy was good when theed a mun stragz took office. it's bter now but that's a result of a trillion dollar worth of stimulus.

and there are things people are excited about and mad about a lot of other things. but understand this is just taking something that was good and it's gotten better for predictable outcome of what they did by increasing spending and cutting taxes. i don't think it was the smartest thing to do in a recovery but wool rr see. >> would it have been better for the gop because the base would have been so po'd they'd all come out to vote? >> i just found myself today, to the democrats kavanaugh is worth a lot more alive than dead. what's going tee be very interesting. usually they go to the supreme court and every once in a while they write a decision. this is not going to go away.

they're not going to stop doing stories on kavanaugh. the democrats win the house, thaul rr probably hold some kind of hearings on the fact that lot of people think he purgered himself during his conformation hearing said to the court of appeals. he's not going to go away. had they defeated him, they would have just pucked somebody eke weal as right wing as kavanaugh and rammed him through in a lame duck session. they were not going to get the seat on the supreme court and i think today's result is probably as good as you can hope for. >> i saw that had shrunk to two but that was before the vote was taken. i was thinking but now that kavanaugh's going to go through, then what to enthusiasm?

>> i think some of the resentment against kavanaugh people think he was treated unfair. some of that is going to stick. the other thing is record high turnout in november. flrs argument was the democrats are stoked and some of the will reseed but they do a good job rallying the base and the people. but watch out the democrats are pretty jacked up right now. >> do you think one of the reasons the white house may have tripled down with kavanaugh was the idea year going to lose the house. we may as well go forward in the senate because you know the odds are dramatically different. and could that have been part of their calculus? >> i think at the end of the day, the carnage, they can't be really happy with with the way

this thing is and understand -- i'm really serious. unlike most supreme court appointments, they just reseed in the background. kavanaugh is going to be anithsue in 2020. the press is not going to stop all these things they're working on about kavanaugh. it's one of these amazing things that's never happened before where a sitting supreme court justice is going to be a real issue in the coming campaign. >> this is what you get when you go to a trailer park with a hundred dollar bill. >> no. >> that's actually a reference to something somebody said. >> it didn't go over so well in twnt wane. what were you thinking when you heard that?

>> i said a lot of things. i was cracking a joke. it was about jennifer flowers and i don't think dr. blasey ford strikes me as a -- little bit of a different deal here, you know. but i'm always complimented when someone uses my lines. frrts a little legacy out there, michael. >> there's going to be room issues on that tombstone. we hope it's 100 years from now but which is going to be the final one, we edon't know. as a political strategist, do you think the russians could have pulled off what they pulled off without some kind of assistance within the united states? no and fl is a zbraer book out.

a very respected academic. and she says the russians did throw the election to trump. we'll keep doing that. do i know that president trump himself was doing this? i doubt that but they had americans helping them every step oof the way. they were targeting african american voters in detroit and telling them to vote by text. they knew who they were going for and what kind of message it was. i don't think there's any doubt they had assistance. what i'm not prepared to saw is there's no doubt trump orhis people were involved in this. mueller will tell us how much and i know there was professional american help, just

not certain as to who it was. >> thank you for being here. >> michael, always a pleasure. you have a great show and thank you. >> what do we have, catherine? imagine how much more like 45 would be if he would just shut up and ride a strong economy. i hear you but would he be able to jin up the enthusiasm -- you see those rallies, those crowds. the asshic side of him that finds him offensive is what drive said them into the stadiums and arenas to hear more of what he has to say. it's his bless and curse, politically speaking. kavanaugh, the jobs report. is a trade war on the horizon with china? i'll can the senior advisor for

trade and manufacture policy and he's here. and john kerry rr about midterms and the kavanaugh nomnation. >> it's quite different from thesont in which you served. it looks like one individual, joe manchion. >> this is going to dhaus senate and the country. that might help. show me the carfax? now the car you want and the history you need are easy to find. show me used minivans with no reported accidents. boom. love it. [struggles] show me the carfax. start your used car search and get free carfax reports at the all-new carfax.com.

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innew york fail -- the industrial base is at risk and here's what the white house is going to do about it. you argue that a core threat to the u.s. industrial base comes from china. is the point you're making is that our defense is too dependent on their supply chain? >> but it's a bigger problem. the over arching idea is that economic surt is national security. that's through strength and what drives us is the idea that you need a strong manufacturing and defense industrial base, both for economic prosperity and national security. so this was commissioned by the president over a year ago. defense department did a great job on it and what we find the bad news is lohse to 300 vulnerabilities, include thing four independent you mngzed. the good news is we're attacking them quickly and immediately.

but there are things like printed circuit boards, critical materials like rare earth. mostly china but a lot of other issues as well. we have things called single points of failure. for our submarines, gun turts, rocket fuel, missiles. infrared it tecters which you need for missile defense. what year going to do is attack this problem in a way that is both going to strengthen our defenses and create good paying manufacturing jobs for the men and women who work with their hands in america. i feel like you survived the prelimes and now we're headed for the main event. but the up side and down side

are much greater in this next round. would you agree? >> no in the sense that the mexico/canada relationship is ultimate lee much more important economically. we're trying to turn north america back into the hemisphere global manufacturing power house and all three countries won. that isn't always the case when you reset a free trade agreement. but in this case the regional content rules coupled with the strong labor environmental provisions really bring back our auto and auto parts industry. so this was a great victory for the president. he was criticized for even trying this but it worked. with resneekt chinese relationship, i think the other landmark thing that happened was

vice president pence's speech where he effectively reset the u.s./china relationship following through on the d.c. national security strategy with the president. we have to be clear eyed about this. it's an economic predator. it steals our stuff every day as we sleep and speak. and we need confront that and that's what this president is doing. >> does this president intend to follow through on his tax if they continue to retaliate against his tariffs? >> have you seen him back down on anything from trade where he says he's going to to it? >> not so far i haven't. what -- here's just -- you refer

thns vice president and i pay close attention to that inspeech and two vessels came within 50 yards of one another. i'm trying to make the point that the stakes are higher because of the national security implication. >> geo politically you're absolutely right. economically, do not underestimate the value in this regional relationship. it's going to be a great thing for the american worker. but the china issue. this is going to be a long standing issue. when you refer thns ships in the south china sea, what was that about? ual, they're building these artificial islands and stacking them to the nines with all sort of misdefenses and things like that. and what's at stake is freedom of navigation through a central

artery of the world where 2/3 of all is closed. and that's why year doing the freedal of navigation control. we didn't try to collide with them, they tried to collide with us. let's be clear about that. >> quickly, finally, do you -- when you publish in the failing new york times? >> no. >> i don't know if the big guy will like that. did peter just jeopardize -- if he loves the show is that going to play okay back at 1600 pennsylvania? what have we got? the unemployment rate numbers under obama are fake. now they're believable under trump. there's no tout.

i remember when the labor secretary would come on with the new job numbers. and we would go over them and the response from the president was well, they're not reflective of those opting out of unemployment. it's a good thing. i heard christine roman say it this week. full employment. we are there. so i don't care who gets the credit and the blame, i'm thrilled virtually every american who wants a job right now can get one. i'm asking you to respond. last night bill mahr said something interesting about dr. ford's allegations. >> it does seem like things have morphed from listen to any woman who says she's been wronged, which is the right thing to do to automatically believe.

that's what's scary. >> i want to know if you agree with what bill mahr said last night. go to my website at smerk -- i just sat down with former secretary of state john kerry and what his response is to mike pompeo's accusations that he's meddling in the trump administration's dealings with iran. >> all of them from oogter political party ought not to be engaged in actively undermining u.s. policy as a former secretary of state is literally unheard of. ♪

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state engaged with the world's largest state sponsor of terror. >> what secretary kerry did was hurtful to america. >> i sat to talk with the former secretariet of state. "every day is extra"tracing his path from diplomat son, tour, and secretary of state. i've been reading your book while watch thing kavanaugh process play itself out. you said i wondered why some of my call oogs even wanted to be there if they couldn't vote the way their hearts and minds told them. is that what we witnessed in the friday vote and saturday? >> well, it's possible. i mean i'm not inside the minds

of some of those folks but they are drilled into a corner by the ideological orthodox and people are worried about threats of primary and i think it's unfortunate. it's not totally new but the intensity of the these days is very different and dangerous. >> very different from the senate in which you served. it looked like one vinyl, joe manchion is voting with the other side. >> i mean everybody feels offended. and i think principals have both been treated in a way that raises questions about the process. mistakes have been made. >> you're no longer secretary of state and yet you're crossing swords with this president, the

current secretary of state. they don't want you involved. >> i'm not involved. i'm speaking out as a citizen in america. if they don't want me to speak out, that's a different issue but i have not met with any iranians since the president pulled out of the agreement, period and i think it's important for people to focus on the real issues which are is this the best policy for the united states to be pulling out of an agreement which we helped create, which was being kept can and by pulling out i think loses the best option of all which would have been use staying in for some period of time to get the chinese and russians to work with us to do a better job in yemen and work on hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization. so we could have leveraged better outcomes but by just

pulling out and angering everybody, i don't think it serves the best interests of our count can wrnery and i'm free t speak my mind. >> i suspect you won't stop doing so? >> stop being an american citizen? no. >> some might not remember that john kerry began his career in massachusetts as a prosecutor. >> i loved it. one of the best jobs i ever had. loved it. >> i know you don't know what he has in terms of evidence. from the outside, looking in, do you think there's a case to be made for conspiracy/collusion? >> i mean literally without knowing what bob mueller has or what they're doing at this point in time i mean the fact that they have a meeting in the trump tower and emails are exchanges

which express their love of receiving from russians the materials calculated to hurt the other kand tcandidate they're r against is prime -- i love the idea of getting dirt from these other people you don't have a meeting. where that goes in the larger legal sense? will all the sufficient qualifications be met? is there excull puatory evidence, i'm not suggesting what bob mueller should do but there's no doubt in my mind that trump campaign was anxious to get information from anywhere and the president went out and said i hope they release all the emails.

i think nobody's fooled by the protss that you hear today. >> so many of us -- final question. so many of us are consumed with the kavanaugh process and the mueller probe, meanwhile the unemployment rate is at a 49-year low, 3.7% according to jobs dottau that came out friday morning. is that going to be the more significant issue to midterm voters? >> no, i don't believe so. even as there is low unemployment, there's what you call underemployment. many, many people who are working in jobs that there not as high paying as the jobs they had before. and the salaries of many people, even are in the jobs they are before are not going up sufficiently to meet the cost and empower people to be able to live the fullness of their

assprations and the american dream and that's a problem. the tax bill really did enormous good for the big corporations for the people who could repateriate money from overseas, for the stock market, for billionaires. they're doing very well. the upper echelon of america is doing extremely well but people are struggling in middle and lower ends are still struggling to get ahead and still feeling the pain of the upset of 2008. i don't think people are focussed on that. i think they feel there's a certain chaos unour governance. i think they feel washington is not getting the job done still and interesting candidates, many of them veterans of afghanistan or iraq or getting into politics

for the first time from professional lives who know that the system is broken and they want to try to fix it and i think this midterm election is one of the most important course collection elections we've had for a long, long time in this country. >> thank you, mr. secretary. >> thank you. . still to come your best and worst facebook comments. aren't kerry's actions a form of treason? i don't think there's any violation of the logan act and he's going to continue to be an american citizen but you just heard him say emphatically that he hasn't met with any iranian citizens. by the way that book of his very engaging, interesting. the guy has led a forest gump-like existence.

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right thing to do to automatically believe. that's what's scary. >> so i heard him say that last night. i thought that is a great poll question. this is my prediction. probably about to embarrass myself, not for the first time. question today. do you agree that the me too movement has more from listen to any woman that says she has been wronged to automatically believe. survey says, i am going to embarrass myself. 55% agree with him. i thought in this audience 64% would say no. would that leave 36% that said yes? interesting. 55% agree with bill maher that it is now you have to believe. what do we have. interesting result. hit me with some results. smerconish, bill is right. logic and nuance are completely lost in our tribal society and

politics now. i said it disappointed me with the senate judiciary committee how many were weighing in before judge kavanaugh or dr. ford had shown up to testify. people were saying i believe her, oh, i don't believe him, vice versa. i'm like sit there, listen to the evidence. that's your job. what else? i'm not going to predict any more. smerconish, if the standard should be on the lines of listen but don't automatically believe for women that claim sexual assault, the same standard needs to apply to men who deny the allegations. listen but don't automatically believe. here's what i think. you have to take cases one at a time, evaluate the evidence and credibility of everybody and not come up with some blanket this is what the prism will be. thanks for watching. i appreciate it. see you next week.

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