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gavin newsom, it happened on your watch. so, yeah. it is time for a change. time for someone new. i'm brian stelter. this is "reliable sources," our weekly look at the the story behind the story of how the media works, how the news get made and how all of us can make it better. this hour, breaking news, deeply disturbing from the middle east. reports of a well-known saudi journalist killed inside the consulate in istanbul. his editor will join me live with the latest. so will one of the reporters who exposed the trump family's sketchy tax schemes. that "new york times" bombshell, we will get into that. plus -- >> you didn't let me ask my question. >> you have been asking a question for ten minutes.
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>> you interrupted my question. >> please sit down. >> sit down he says. trump's negative tone toward women report seers is spurring backlash. a t brett kavanaugh is sworn in as an associate justice on the supreme court. for his opponents, it's frankly a terrible weekend. the country feels incredibly divided at this moment. whether you support kavanaugh, whether you oppose his nomination, let's recognize one thing. this was a moment that christine blasey ford saw coming. we all learned her name three weeks ago today. she spent the summer debating whether to come forward, whether to share her allegations publically. she wrote to her congresswoman, but she was reluctant to speak out. she said she figured that kavanaugh would be confirmed. >> during august 2018, the press
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reported that mr. kavanaugh's confirmation was virtually certa certain. persons painted him as a champion of women's rights and empowerment. and i believed that if i came forward, my single voice would be drowned out by a chorus of powerful supporters. by the time of the confirmation hearings, i had resigned myself to remaining quiet. >> then her name leaked, presumably because of senate democrats. reporters started knocking on her door. she decided to speak out on her own terms. >> apart from the assault itself, these past couple of weeks have been the hardest of my life. >> one has to wonder what she's thinking and what she's feeling right now. a month ago, she was telling herself, i'm not going to come forward, i don't want to be annihilated in the media, i'm just going to stay silent. she figured kavanaugh would be
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confirmed. and now he has been. meanwhile, i have to ask this question. has the news media come out of this controversy looking better or worse? i'm pretty sure we don't look better. the narrative from trump world is the media worked with the dems to take kavanaugh down. there's a lot of concern that newsrooms have lowered their standards in pursuit of this story. let's talk about all of this and where we go from here with former cnn anchor frank cesno, also olivia nunzi and here with me in new york, april ryan. olivia, a simple question. what does it feel like in washington today? >> emotions are very high. obviously, those who opposed judge kavanaugh's confirmation are very upset. this is not the outcome they wanted.
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as your colleague kaitlan collins noted it, the white house is looking at this like a tremendous success. the week has gone as planned. donald trump is very high on judge kavanaugh's confirmation. which is, of course, very unusual when you think about it. to have your supreme court nominee under investigation at a very fraught hearing, meanwhile "the new york times" has this investigation into donald trump's claims about his wealth this week, under any normal circumstances would not be a positive week for the white house. but by today's standards, as the white house looks at it, they are happy with the outcome. i think the fact that emotions are so high on the left from those who opposed judge kavanaugh, they view that as a good thing. they think it will be energizing the base going into the midterms. i don't flow know if i think th true. we have a long time until that point. a lot can happen. >> right. >> i think it would be a mistake for any side to view this as
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something that's going to lead to a desired outcome in the midterm elections or certainly in 2020. >> this controversy only because of the "washington post" story, about ford and the story about deborah ramirez. do you think the press is coming out of this looking weaker? many people feel that the press chose a side through this. >> yes. certainly that's the way it's going to look to trump supporters and to people who have been questioning media's bias and their ability to report straight for a long time. he would kn we know where the public trust numbers are for the press. it's below the basement. by any reasonable measure, this has been an extraordinary week for this president. forget the russia investigation. forget the tax story. forget the rest. trade deal with mexico and canada, unemployment numbers that haven't been this low since 1969.
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following through on what he said, which was to remake the supreme court and a triumph with kavanaugh. what the public and what the white house come away from this with is some fair territory to wag their fingers and say, i told you so. joe scarborough said the press was unfair to the president. i think the challenge grows greater for the media to figure out where it's going and how it's going to try to find balance. >> you hear something that sara f fagan said. 20 years ago these allegations wouldn't have been published. >> 20 years ago, no major news publication would have published those second allegations.
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the second allegation or third allegation. we are in a different place in this country. >> frank, is that true ? >> absolutely. i was bureau chief during the lewinsky thing. we had a series of procedures to make sure that hearsay didn't get on the air and we were going to confirm it before we put it on the air. that's completely been overtaken by events with social media. >> what does confirming mean? if it's an on the record accusation but without corroborating effort. >> multiple sources. somebody doesn't just -- if they step forward -- ford had some corroborating evidence. she had her therapy. she had documentable places where she raised this. how she remembered it, whether it's accurate, they are both 100% in their recollection. remember when they testified, that's another matter. we would have reported that. some of the other things, i agree, we would not have reported in the old days. >> let me take you through some
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of the other examples. we mentioned the ramirez story. she was interviewed. some people said, "the new yorker" shouldn't have published the story because there wasn't enough supporting evidence. there was "the new york times" report about a bar fight in 1985. the writer opposed kavanaugh in her capacity as a yale law school fellow. "the times" said we stand by the story but we should not have sent her there to report on it. it was convenient because she was in connecticut. she got the court filings. we shouldn't have had her name on the story. that was another controversy. msnbc snagged an interview with swetnick, the accuser who was represented by michael avenatti. nbc didn't know what to do with it. they couldn't verify her claims. this is another example of in a prior generation, maybe the interview wouldn't have aired at all. olivia your thoughts and april?
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>> i don't know about that. i don't know about holding up the clinton impeachment era as a way of pushing back on the idea that we would not have published these things in another time. these women were on the record. whether or not you believe their accounts -- that's sort of up to the reader, up to the viewer in my view. i think that the "new yorker" story was pretty carefully written. there were a lot of cat yacveat there. when you have somebody on the record, that really changes the calculation. >> then it becomes about proportionality, how much attention do we give these. >> i think the issue is in part, on the internet, everything looks about the same size. there's not really any way to tell what's the big story, what's the big credible story and what's something that should be paid less attention to. i think the press was trying, in a very hurried way, to do serious reporting and to really vet this nominee.
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i do think some mistakes were made. when it comes "the new york times" decision to have her reporter on the biline on the story -- if she still got the documents, how would that be different? we are talking about optics more than ethical concerns at this point. >> right. april, i wanted to ask you about the president's reaction to the swearing in, to the confirmation last night. he was on air force one flying to a rally. one of the reporters said to him, what message do you have for the woman in the country who are angry, who are devastated by this? let's watch what he said. >> how this is a moment for young men across the country, a scary moment. what is your message today to the women across the country who are feeling devastated, feeling like the message -- >> i don't think they are. i think actually that women -- if you look at the biggest fans, i can tell you the people that
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spoke to me, most in the strongest of terms were in his favor, were women. women. women were outraged at what happened to brett kavanaugh. >> this is typical trump. but he is suggesting women in the country are not devastated. not all women are. in women are very hurt. many men are very hurt by the outcome of this -- the confirmation battle. does he not know that? does he not care? what is that about? >> the president is always going to win, no matter what. his brand is at stake. also, i want to take you, before we get into this piece, to the optics. what we saw was the president on air force one in the flying oval. not in the hallway, in the area of the press area, that's significant. because the president wants to be presidential, especially at moments like this. he was speaking from authority, from the flying oval with this. when you look at the women in
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this nation, it was clearly down political lines. you heard women saying, the president was right when he spoke to that rally, when he said to have mocked christine ford. he did give fact. it was in his delivery, how he gave facts. you have women who cried with dr. ford, reliving their own account, believing she went through something. there is a nation here that's hurt. you had senator kamala harris go out in front of the u.s. capitol and speaking to those women. there needs to be healing in the nation. one side believes that judge kavanaugh, supreme court justice now kavanaugh was victimized and you have other women who are reliving hurt. there are women in this nation who are victims of some kind of sexual assault or abuse. you also have to look at november. this president is losing women in this nation. they are leaving the republican party. independents are looking
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democrat. a lot of women are saying, i don't want to go to the the republicans after this. it's not helping him not to pay attention.therepublicans after . it's not helping him not to pay attention.republicans after thi. it's not helping him not to pay attention.republicans after thi. it's not helping him not to pay attention.republicans after thi. it's not helping him not to pay attention. he has to fine a way to heal. that's why the numbers may come back for him. he tried to brand and win. >> april, stick around. oliv olivia, frank, thank you for being here. a quick break. it's a likely pulitzer contender. it's an investigation into the trump family's taxes. how did it come together? was it overshadowed by kavanaugh? one of the reporters who investigated the taxes will join me right after this. a once-in-five hundred year storm
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welcome back to "reliable sources." instances of outright fraud. that's what "the new york times" found in this extraordinary investigation of the trump family's taxes. documents from the 1990s show that president trump helped his parents dodge taxes.
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a lot of folks think these findings were overshadowed by the supreme court fight. maybe. that's why "the times" is taking the step of re-printing the 13,000 word investigation. there's a documentary about the reporting that's going to be premiering today on showtime. it shows people inside this locked room where "the new york times" reporters conducted the investigation. joining me now is the woman you saw inside the room, suzanne craig. she's an investigative reporter with "the times" and one of the three who broke the story. tell me about this locked room you were working in for the last year and a half. >> it needs some cleaning at this point. but we were inside largely because we had so many documents to analyze and try and piece together what was going on. it was easier for the three of us to sit together as we tried to sort it out. we just wanted to keep also what
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we were doing as under wraps as we could. >> what was the most important moment where you realized there was a big story here? was there a single moment like that? >> there wasn't. it was a journey of discovery. we started out looking at the 2005 tax returns that were released on the rachel maddox show. then we started to look into -- we realized the year before, part of his father's empire had been sold. his father died in 1999. then we started to piece that together and just one thing led to another. then we started to reach out to sources and got an extraordinary amount of documents, including thousands of pages of documents from his financial empire and 200 tax returns from his, his companies and companies that donald trump was a partner in. >> this was reporting 101. >> kind of it was a real journey -- there was no mandate
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at the beginning. >> why did the sources help you? why did they share the documents? >> it's to try to get into the mind of a source is difficult. i think the people that we talked to felt that when -- by the time we got to their door we knew a fair bit about the topic we were asking about. they wanted to see -- it was sort of again and again when you talk to people, they felt the story that donald trump had pedalled, he was a self-made billionaire and that he only got a little help from his father was just wrong. a lot of the people we talked to knew fred trump and knew that that was just a lie. >> they wanted people to know it was bunk. what about the timing? you told me this is the hardest story you have ever done. it came out tuesday. it was in print wednesday. the country has been focused on kavanau kavanaugh. do you feel this was overshadowed? >> we published because we were ready to go. you can never time these things.
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it's the news business. sometime u.s you public in the morning and something huge happens. we felt we were ready to go. we had been waiting a week or two to see what was going on. you have to go. it's a great story. >> i love that you went to the printing press that night. you want to see it be printed. >> it was a big rush. >> there are investigating that new york state says they are investigating this issue. i guess is this one of those cases where it's going to trickle out slowly but there could be more to come? >> i think that the story will have legs. because i think it's going to take a long time for people to digest. it sets down a factual narrative of his life that is in contrast with the one that's out there now. i think that that is going to be one affect. there are going to be investigati investigations. the city and state are looking into possible taxes that may be owed. we don't know what the irs is doing. they haven't commented. one would hope they are looking
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at some of the findings. i think it's going to have a long life. i think it's out there for people to think about and to start to sort of i think refocus how they were thinking about his narrative. >> are you working on a part two story? >> we hope to. we have more leads and more string to pull. we will keep going on it. there's a lot of information we have been given. we're excited to come in monday morning and get going. >> to date, president trump continues to refuse to release his recent tax returns. might you be releasing them for him? >> we would love to if sources want to give them to us. hopefully, we have proven we can handle it. we are in the market for any information people want to send us. >> thanks for being here. great to see you. that documentary airs tonight inside this process of reporting. a break here and then a story you need to know about. a journalist critical of saudi arabia has disappeared. new reports suggest a saudi team may have killed him and hidden
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we are following the mysterious disappearance of a saudi journalist. amid reports that he may have been murdered. here is what we do know. he is one of the best-known journalists in saudi arabia. since last year, he has been a prominent critic, speaking out against what he called the repress recei repressive leadership of the country. he has been a contributing writer for "the washington
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post." on tuesday, he went to saudi arabia's consulate in istanbul, turkey. he wanted to obtain paperwork that would allow him to divorce his wife in saudi arabia and get married to a woman in turkey. he has not been seen since he entered the consulate tuesday. there have been conflicting reports from turkey and saudi arabia about whether he ever left the building. in the past 24 hours, unnamed turkish officials have said he was killed in that consulate. that turkish officials have come to the conclusion that he was murdered. cnn has not been able to independently confirm those reports. this continues to be a mystery, a very disturbing mystery with international ramifications. so far, the u.s. government has said very little about this matter. of course, the u.s./saudi relationship may come into focus as a result of this story. there's a lot more to discuss. let me bring in karen autia, editor at "the washington post."
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she has been his editor for the past year. we had scheduled this interview a couple days ago, after your colleague disappeared. then came the news that he may be dead. how are you processing this? >> i'm not. i think the best thing that we're trying to do is to try to stay productive and keep his name out there. i think for a lot of americans, this might be the first time they have heard of him. i think it's to speak out about who he is, what his work meant to saudi arabia and to the region as a whole, what it meant to us. i think it's really important to know that he didn't want to be known as a dissident. he didn't want to be this opposition figure. when he wrote his first piece for us in 2017, in september, he said, this changed my life. i just want to be a journalist. i just want to write.
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i think in going back to his words, he was a former royal adviser. he was very close to the saudi family. >> very well connected. early in 2017, if i can tell our viewers, he was told, get off twitter, you are not allowed to tweet, you are not allowed to write critically of the government. after six months, that's when he reached out to you and decided to essentially go into exile and speak out against the government. >> we saw the news about the cra crackdown. we decided, why don't we just have him as a voice and get him to speak? that piece was his sort of coming out, so to speak, about what was happening to him and his friends. in that piece, he said, he had been quiet about the crackdowns for a while but now he just was at the point to say something and to speak out. he said that saudi arabia wasn't always like this and that his country deserved better. i think throughout his work, what he had done -- you could tell he was speaking from a
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place of wanting to advise the crown prince. he didn't want to be known as this strident critic, even in our editing process, there were times where he said, i really don't want to personally insult anybody. i just really -- he agreed with a lot of the reforms, especially women driving, the lifting of the ban on cinemas. he just really felt like he had a duty to advise this young prince. >> do you believe the turkish officials who are concluding he has been killed? >> you know, we want to hope that he is still alive and with us and can come back to us and be safe. we had a lot of plans. we have a lot of plans to do so much more. we were publishing more in arabic. we are waiting, just like everybody else. there's a lot of conflicting reports, a lot of rumors. we are still hoping for the best.
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of course, this news, if true, has us all completely devastated. this is an attack on us as well at "the washington post." >> it's been 18 hours since a report that he has been killed. there's no proof of life. would you think there would be proof of life if he were alive and with us. what do you feel? do you feel anger? do you feel guilt? i'm sorry to ask. i'm trying to put myself in the shoes of an editor who knows a journalist is in harm's way. >> i feel -- i don't -- i feel like it has been inspiring. i think he knew the risks. he was somebody -- is somebody who loves his country. i honestly -- he is one of the nicest people i have ever met. i'm honest about it, one of the nicest people. if the news is true, i hope it's not true, i am devastated.
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i've been in touch with his family. i've been in touch with his fiancee. i feel like this was a threat. we talked. i saw him a few weeks. >> he had been living in washington. >> in virginia. this is -- i can't even imagine what his family is going through. i can say for me, this is one of the worst nights of my career, worst days of my career. we are committed to keeping -- we're not going to let this go. we're going to press and we're going to keep his name out there, highlight his work, highlight who he is and was. whoever may have wanted to do this to him, recognize what we recognize in that he is an important voice not only for saudi arabia but for the region and for the entire world. so if anything, all they have done is just upped his profile. again, this is the man who wanted to write. >> just to write. >> just wanted to be a journalist. his eyes lit up.
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i miss being in this. he had been silenced for so long, kicked out of newspapers. working at "the post" energized him. he said, it keeps my mind off the pressures. give me something to do. >> i love that you all have posted some of his columns on "the washington post" home page. people can look. do what you are saying, read his work. see his work. understand what he was trying to do. >> just know to whoever has information, saudis, turks, the entire world is watching. he was nice. he had many friends. we are all watching what's happening with this investigation. we're not going to let this go. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> our prayers are with you and one of the questions as we go forward with this story is about the u.s. response. i mentioned that at the time. i reached out to the state department earlier today. no real comment from the state department. they say they are monitoring
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this. read all of our coverage on this story at c nn.com. we will stay on top of this along with the "washington post" as they seek answers in this mystery. up next, a turn back to domestic politics. briefing room battles. the question, does president trump treat female correspondents differently than their male counterparts? well at safelite, we know sooner or later every chip will crack. these friends were on a trip when their windshield got chipped. so they scheduled at safelite.com. they didn't have to change their plans or worry about a thing. i'll see you all in a little bit. and i fixed it right away with a strong repair they can trust. plus, with most insurance a safelite repair is no cost to you. >> customer: really?! >> tech: being there whenever you need us that's another safelite advantage. >> singers: safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ok here we go guys, you ready? hi! cinturones por favor. gracias. opportunity is everywhere.
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we're back. i'm brian stelter.
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president trump has been taking questions from the press a lot lately. that means his combative attitude toward reporters has been on full display. some folks are pointing out he is noticeably more hostile toward women journalists. take a look. >> in a state of shock. >> i'm not thinking, mr. president. >> you never do. >> you have had never. you have had enough. >> you have been asking a question for ten minutes. sit down. if i would like to ask three questions. it's not fair to everyone else. should i let her ask another question? >> this is always curious. it's curious in light of the debate this country has been having with the supreme court. let's talk about husbais bully chief behavior. back with me, april ryan.
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olivia nuzzi also back with us. april, does the president treat women reporters in the press corps differently? >> yes. the reason why -- this white house feels that they can go after what they consider weak. what they consider weak. i said that, what they consider weak. you don't see this kind of exchange happening with white males in that room as much as minorities, meaning african-american women, myself, or women. i detail that in my book. i detail the things that have happened to me in my book. this is something so new. i remember back to barack obama, women were a part of the press corps, but we aren't always one of the first ones to ask questions or leading in that front row. barack obama had a press conference with eight women. i was number eight.
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remember that? that was a phenomenon. i remember retired veteran journalist ann compton, there were a large number of women in the front row. she marked the moment. she was so happy. washington is a white male dominated town. men talk to men. how does a woman navigate the murky waters in washington and in that male dominated room? it doesn't bode well for a president of the united states, who sets the tone for the nation, who sets the tone for the nation, to do this to women. it doesn't -- we are the first line of questioning an american president along with the men. >> brian, you know what trump would say. he would say, i'm tough on everybody. i'm tough on jim acosta. >> he is a minority man. >> is april right? >> i was at the press
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conference. i want to try to walk through it logically. first of all, he has been at war with the press since day one. men, women, whatever. he has called us the enemy of the people. he called us fake media. i think some of his tactics are fake in and of itself. in that press conference, he told me to sit down. i was already sitting down. he refused to come back to me about a question on kavanaugh. he told peter alexander to be quiet. he wouldn't even let major garrett ask a question, from cbs, was given the mike twice. he did give the mike to female reporters. all that being said, you cannot excuse misogyny by claiming that you are a miss an tloep. you can't say i hate everybody so it's okay if i treat women differently. the fact of the matter is, there is a problem, at least in optics, in his attitude. it's outside and inside this
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press briefing room with females. whether it's reporters or just females in general. this press room -- by the way, there was a time, the first time i walked into the press room, the one who held sway, the one who was king or queen, was helen thomas. she began and ended every press conference. mike curry told me, she would be the first one in the office. he brought her calf foffee and doughnuts every morning at 7:00. that woman ruled. >> it doesn't happen now. >> it has always been in the press ourselves since helen broke that barrier, there has been an equality in the press room among reporters. the president and how they treat us has changed. this president, while i will agree to a point with him, he does treat everybody pretty bad, the simple fact of the matter is it doesn't excuse the ma soisog he displays toward women in the
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press corps. >> olivia, i saw you responding to this on twitter. >> my view is that i think we contribute to this a little bit in how we talk about it. when i see headlines that say the president speaks rudely to female reporters, i think that that is sexist in itself as well. is they are not female reporters. they are reporters who happen to be female. they were asking credible questions that the president i don't believe answered. we should be judging them as reporters first. i think their gender, when we talk about their gender as though it is the most important thing about that exchange with the president, i think we contribute to exactly the thing that we are decrying here. the president has been rude and dismissive to reporters of every gender. he has attacked jim acosta. he talked rudely to him at press conferences. >> me. >> it is true --
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>> april, you. >> it is true that the way the president and officials speak to non-white reporters is very different. we have seen it for over a year. it's very troubling. it happens off camera as well. i think that to talk about this as though it's a problem with female reporters is a simplistic way to put it. i think it misses the point, which is that this is an anti-press freedom president. he does not understand or care about the first amendment. that's a bigger issue. >> we have gone from daily briefings to basically monthly briefings. trump takes questions when he feels like it. often butchers the facts. i agree there's a broader context. april? >> here is the problem. i am a reporter who happens to be black and who happens to be a woman. the reality is, when you see me, you see my color and my gender. you see my color first and then my gender. then i keep going back to this
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conversation i had with steve bannon last night -- not last night, last week in his home. we talked about the fact that i am not part of the resistance. he said, because of my race and my gender, i cannot go to a trump rally in a red state because i am perceived as the enemy. >> bannon said that? >> bannon told me that last week. we had a -- i talked to him for two hours. i hear all of this higher thinking and how we should be, the ideal of what we should be. the reality is that i am perceived as not the base. i am perceived at the enemy. the exchanges come at me. we can play this game of how it should be. what it really is is what it really is. >> brian, your thoughts? >> how it really is -- they don't like me at those rallies. i went to west virginia where they came up to me and said, fake media, i hate cnn, i hate
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jim acosta. they said, can i have an autograph? will he take a picture with me? >> it's complicated. >> your perception cannot drive the coverage. we have to be there no matter whether we are black, white, brown, male, female. we're going to be there. >> that's right. >> to olivia, your point is well taken in the fact that, do we -- the question we have to ask ourself is, by mentioning the differences, do we contribute to the differences? just by merely noticing that there is a difference i don't think plays into it. i don't think that by mentioning it we play into it. i think you have to mention it. i think you have to assess it. that's what you are doing here, brian. we are looking at an issue and deciding, are we playing to that base, are we playing to the resistance? i maintain, we're all reporters. >> we're complaining for different things here. >> we are there for a reason.
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>> a pawn in the political game. >> if we talk about how president trump treats reporters of color than how he treats -- >> let's try black woman. >> that's a very different topic. april is making an excellent point about -- >> we have to examine every one of those. >> sure. but the way she's talking about what steve bannon said about covering a rally, that's a different challenge and a different danger. >> i'm still a woman. >> right. >> i'm still a minority to them. i've been told -- i walk into that rally, they ask me what my last name is. if i'm a muslim. those are things that -- you will face it as a woman. i'm going to face it as a lebanese american. you will phase it, april, as a black female reporter. at the end of the day, olivia -- i'm trying to agree with you in this point -- we're all reporters. he treats us all with disrespect. >> going back to a conversation on last week's program, margaret sullivan said, we're reporting. but we need to --
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