randi kaye, cnn, naples, florida. >> we'll be following it every step of the way. a reminder don't miss full circle our daily interactive newscast on facebook. you bet to pick the stories we cover. 6:25 p.m. eastern at facebook.com/anderson cooper full circle. want to hand it over to chris for cuomo primetime. chris? >> i am chris cuomo. hurricane michael is hours a away from slamming into the florida panhandle. a category 3 that's stronger than florence. we have new information on what to expect and when. the big question is whether or not florida is ready. there are lots of eyes on tallahassee mayor, andrew gillum right now. he wants to be governor and hurricane michael may stand in his way. plus, nikki haley's departure. surprise or not? the president said he knew months ago, yet her staff, bolton, pompeo, all reportedly caught off guard. why did the u.n. ambassador

announce her exit just weeks before the mid terms? we'll dig deeper for you. and if you're watching this show, you know chicago has a unique gun violence problem. it's stop and frisk the solution? the president is pushing for it. is it what he says, or is it a recipe for a new problem? it's that time again, my friends. let's get after it. all right. we know this as a matter of fact. hurricane michael is barrelling toward the gulf coast. it's not weakening. it's gotten stronger. florida candidates are putting a pause on politics with only four weeks until election day, but they have a job to do and it literally could be life or death. on monday, president trump, he didn't take a break. he called out one of the candidates, democratic nominee for governor andrew gillum for being corrupt and a ticket to making florida venezuela. what does he have to say about this in the midst of a category

3 hurricane 120 mile an hour winds headed his way? andrew gillum, thank you for joining us. let's deal with what matters here first. how are you doing in terms of preparation? >> well, we feel very good about our government's preparation. we feel like we're ready for this storm, chris. as you know, we're unfortunately over the last 3 1/2 years well practiced. this being our third storm that we've had to encounter. what we want to make sure of at this stage is that our residents are making the proper preparations to deal with what will be a life-threatening event. this will be the strongest storm to hit our area in over a century. and we want to make sure that people are taking it serious and making the appropriate preparations. >> right. here's the problem. one, people get complacent with time. you haven't been hit this way in a while. so the memory gets short. people think that it was easier than it actually was in some cases. second, you've got a lot of poverty in and around this area that's going to be vulnerable. they're rural places outside of

places like tallahassee, people remote, hard to reach. how do you deal with those challenges? >> yeah, well, we have had to be a welcoming place to other communities in times of natural disaster, and this time is no different. we have opened up five shelters. so far all around our community, what i believe is six that may be online as early as tomorrow morning. we know that we are already receiving guests from some of the lower lying areas along the coast given the storm surge they're going to be facing. we're welcoming those folks here and trying to make it as comfortable a stay as possible. really what's at stake here is the life and the safety and the security of people. and if they're in those low-lying areas or here in my own community, if you're in a modular unit or a mobile home, we want you to get out of harms way and go to one of our shelters where we can at least assure your safety. listen, we can put houses back together, but we cannot replace a life. and so we're hoping people will take advantage of the sheltering

opportunities that are available to them. >> amen. now, one exigency is voting. it could complicate efforts for people to vote. people in your party are calling for a delay where they can reopen the window after the storm. your position? >> well, i mean, i think we want to do everything we can to assure that people get the opportunity to get registered to vote. i think you probably saw some of the spikes that have been reported on the final day of voter registration that occurred just in the last 24 hours. we know that people make a rush toward the end. and i would plead with the governor and on those in charge of this process to extend the opportunity for as many people to get involved and get registered in the process as possible. if you are worried about your life and safety, you're probably not thinking about voter registration at this moment, and so a little bit of grace for those folks i think is in order. >> now, 2016 you guys in

tallahassee, you specifically got blame put on you for not accepting the governor's offer of help. you say you have an answer to that. that that's a false charge. what's the reality? >> well, it is a false charge. unfortunately, that was a situation where we had a storm get politicized and i think that's the last thing you want in a storm event where people are trying to keep themselves and their family safe. that was the first storm to hit our family in 30 years. we woke up the next day to recognize 90% of our public infrastructure had been devastated. our entire sewer system knocked out. and what we came out and said is that we would work as diligently as we could to get our community up and going. 72 hours later, over 90% of the people in my community had their power restored. and then we obviously worked as a community over the remaining days to get people back connected. i think what president trump did last night by attacking me, attacking my city, i don't think

we've ever seen a sitting president go after a sitting mayor in a community that is preparing itself for a near category 4 hurricane to attack it. listen, we don't need partisanship. we need a president. we need a partner. we need someone who is going to come to our aid when we need it, not throw cheap political shots. >> well, mr. mayor, for those who didn't hear it, here it is. >> if you look at ron desantis, he's doing fantastically well. i baktd him from the beginning. he's great. he's doing a fantastic job. his opponent runs a place that has a lot of problems, i know it very well. but it has a lot of problems, tremendous corruption, tremendous crime. this is not what you want to run florida. his opponent is i think horrible choice. >> so, is this a reflection of just our new normal? nothing is sacred. nothing is above politics, nothing is a political. it's all go all the time. >> well, i find it unfortunate. i find it most unfortunate

obviously because of the timing, and secondly because of the fact that it's not true. i preside over a city that is experiencing right now a five-year low in our crime rate. the hard working men and women who you may be able to see behind me, they deserve better from their commander in chief. they don't deserve to be reduced to partisan politics. they're working as hard as they can to keep the life and safety of the people who they have charge over protected and what will be a pretty major storm. the president should have taken that opportunity to encourage people to get out of harms way, to prepare themselves for the storm, and then to offer his unmitigated support, not just to me, but to my state and the aftermath of this disaster to help us get back up and going as quickly as possible. but regardless of that, i know that we're ready. we're prepared. and we're going do what it takes to make sure our community gets up and going. >> look, let's hope everything there -- that everything is a little bit exaggerated. let's hope. let's hope it's better. as i was saying to anderson before the show started, it's the only time a journalist wants

to be wrong. i hope these estimates are wrong. i hope i don't have to be down there with you face to face 36 hours from now because we're dealing with such a terrible aftermath and that we see president trump, you know, taking jump shots with paper towels to people who are desperate in our own state of florida. a lot of your people and citizens in your state watch this show. what is your message to them right now? hopefully they're going to have power up and through when the storm comes tomorrow afternoon. but the window is closing. what do you want them to know? >> well, first off, if you're one of our neighbors who is along the coast line, the storm surge that is expected there is life-threatening. it is deadly. if you have not gotten out yet, do not assume that you can ride this storm out. get to higher ground. come to your capital city here in the city of tallahassee. we will do our very best to accommodate you here. for my residents here in the tallahassee leon county area, know that we're ready for the storm. your government is ready and

what you need to ensure is that you're ready in your own homes and your own neighborhood. we will be able to repair and get back up and going in our communities. what's most important at this time is that you keep yourselves and your families safe during this storm event, which will begin in ernest in just a few hours here. >> all right, mr. mayor. as we say were all local leaders, when this kind of event is headed their way, use us as a resource. if you have information that needs to get out, if you want to coordinate getting help to the people they need in the aftermath, we're here for you. that's why we have the job. >> thank you. thank you for that. really appreciate it, chris, and godspeed. >> be safe. i hope it is better than expected. mayor andrew gillum, good luck to you. we also invited his opponent congressman desantis on. he declined the offer just so you know. hurricane michael is closing in as we speak. who is at the greatest risk? where is the most vulnerable? why is this one different from florence? there are answers to all of those questions. we have them with the latest forecast next. this place isn't for me.

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all right. florida's governor is warning of, quote, total devastation when hurricane michael strikes, and with good reason. it was just a few weeks ago that we were talking about florence, another hurricane that made landfall. that one in north carolina, but the superlatives you are hearing now, monstrous, historic, don't dismiss them as hype or hyperbole. let's bring in tom sader, cnn meteorologist joining us now. and you can put me on the bones of why it's not hyperbole. let's start with two facts. the category 3 storm has only strengthened as it's gotten closer to the panhandle and this area, the area where it's going to get hit, it hasn't seen a big storm in like a dozen years, right? >> that's a true, dennis 2005, exactly right. october, chris, ranks as the number one month for hurricane landfall in the state of florida. there have been few category 3

or higher to hit florida, such as dennis. this is not going to be the strongest hurricane to make landfall since 200513 years ago. we went back a little more in history and we believe that within 40 miles of panama city, this is going to be the strongest in recorded history. that says something, because there's a whole generation of people that never had to go through something quite like this. there's a whole entire iarea of real estate that hasn't been tested by storm surge. >> you hear about buildings being hurricane proof and windows and aspects of their construction. we'll see now, 2004 hurricane i've an, 2005 hurricane dennis, ivan ask dennis will be painful reminders for people in that area. you just remember reliving those pictures, horrible. >> yeah. >> that's not the big problem, though. wind, as tom, you instruct us

all the time, wind isn't what kills you. water is in hurricanes, storm surge. please, tom, explain to us the different aspect hereof dealing with the shelf, low-lying areas in terms of foot above sea level, but also the shelf, the continental shelf, why does that matter? >> okay, great question. big difference between the atlantic coast line on the outer banks and the gulf, all right. we do have a continental shelf off the carolina coast and we also have, you know, barrier islands. we have the inter coastal areas, something to protect the coast line. but the continental shelf on the gulf is much broader. there is much more of an area that the water is shallow. when you have a storm of this magnitude moving into this region, what you're finding here -- and this is ivan, by the way, 2004 -- when they move toward the region, the wave height grows with time. the tsunami last week following

the earthquake in indonesia, the reason the tsunami was so high is the water went through a very narrow and shallow area of water kind of shaped as a submarine so the tsunami grew with time. there is your ivan you were talking about, chris. >> right. >> this is dennis. ivan actually made three land falls. >> right. >> when dennis came through, they were all west of panama city. to get more and talk about that surge -- because i want to get back to history for you. let me just quickly show you how -- we had it up here. here it is. the surge inundation map. we talked about this, of course, when florence was coming on. so let's get in a little bit closer. the reason this is a big concern is there is a lot more red on this map than we had in parts of the carolinas. where you have appalachia, it's going to catch the brunt of those forward moving wave heights. with the shallow continental shelf you're talking about appalachia coal, there are some

homes and barrier islands, but panama city, dustin over toward fort walton, we just don't have that protection. so you've got that gradual slope of that ocean floor slowly rising and continuing. so this is going to inundate several, several areas of that big bend region. if there is an area to get hit, it would be this one. i don't mean that disconcerning, but we have nature land. >> i want to button up something else. here i quickly showed you in terms of the gradations of the shelf. as it gets more and more shallow as you go, it is going to allow wave, amplitude and volume to increase and that's going to create a bigger surge effect. also, you know, a lot of the folks who live in around here, yeah, you've got money in and around here living on the coast, beautiful homes and all that. but there are lots of pockets of rural communities as well and poverty. those people don't have the same access to emergency relief. they're going to be harder to reach.

it's going to be harder to know what's going on. unique challenges here. >> good point. >> now, tom, king tides, what are they, when are they, relevance? >> king tides typically -- it's hard to give a scientific definition because there is some discrepancy in how this is formed. it's usually the highest point of the tide cycle. some say it's once a year, some say once a month the highest tides. we're already seeing flooding. this is king tide time. we're seeing flooding, seeing it in miami. we're seeing it already in tampa, st. pete, dauphin island. it adds an extra fit into that nlking surge of water. that is taken in consideration when the national hurricane center puts out its surge warning which by the way they used life-threatening inundation and today they used the word historic. >> right. >> mainly because all these storms have been west of panama city since 1950. we haven't had them this close into the east. so, you know, you were talking about building codes. andrew in '92 changed the way many homes were built. >> right. >> it changed the codes.

there are so many homes that were built before 1992 that just do not have those supporting hurricane brackets or the way that they pretty much adhere their tile. this is going to be a whole new test for people. i wouldn't be surprised, chris, if this becomes a 4 just beforehand fall. we're seeing intensification. >> god fox business network. -- god for bid. i hope that's wrong. i hope you're not coaching me through wet and windy because it's an aftermath way worse than what we anticipated. tom, thank you very much. we're definitely going to come back to the storm. the information is changing. we want to get it to you as quickly as possible. i want to keep the rest of you connected to your brothers and sisters where the storm is going to come because they're going to need help just like the people in north carolina. they are still in so much trouble, kids went back to school, they need books, clothing, essentials. go to you are 0 website and find a way to help. another big story. u.n. ambassador nikki haley. she didn't really have an answer for why she's stepping down. is there something about the

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the speculation surrounding what prompted u.n. ambassador nikki haley to resign has the internet swirling with conspiracy theories. but to be fair, they should have given more information. what did they think was going to happen, if she does this right after kavanaugh, right before the mid terms and they don't say why. and the truth is no one besides nikki haley knows what truly motivated her to quit as far as we know. she tamped down speculation she was going to challenge trump in 2020. listen to this. >> i will say this. for all of you that are going to ask about 2020, no, i am not running for 2020. i can promise you what i'll be doing is campaigning for this one. so i look forward to supporting the president in the next election. >> now, because we're dealing with politics, can you really believe that answer? and somewhat thanks to the man sitting next to her, do we really trust what politicians say at all? so the more important question is not whether she has presidential ambitionse, but wht

does this mean for the administration. let's ask angela wry and david urban. what's the premise of this question? shi she's good for the administration. she's a strong independent female voice most of the time in this administration. she doesn't do whatever trump says, even when that rankles a little bit and she gets sideways and when she gets sideways she fights back. if she leaves, how big a deal? >> i think it's a big deal because of the number of vacancies donald trump's administration has seen since he won the election and was sworn in during the inauguration. i think the reality is he has not been able to keep a whole lot lot of folks. whether we're talking next to him at the chief of staff level or someone as distant as the u.n. ambassador position, someone would argue nikki haley made that position very strong because of her ability to be independent from the president and push back when she disagrees with him. i think the question i'm really

wondering is this is less than a month after the u.n. general assembly. this is just a few days after the kavanaugh nomination vote. sure, there play be speculation around 2020. to your point, chris, i don't believe much of what politicians tell us. she sounded pretty convincing in that meeting. >> she did. >> i would say the other flag that we have is that there is an ethics investigation requested by the citizens for responsibility in ethics in washington into seven, not one, but seven free plane rides she took on private jets from businessmen in south carolina. so, the timing is eerie there. that was yesterday. >> that's true, angela. by trump standards, that's nothing compared to what other cabinet people -- >> that's true, i'll give you that. >> the timing is not good, dave. i don't know why she left now, but the timing is not good. >> chris, look, our colleague put out a piece today that said -- and i agree with him, that said ambassador's haley's timing is impeccable.

she had an incredible two-year run. quinnipiac poll out in late april, early may had close to -- over 60% of respondents had a favorable opinion of her job. >> 5%? >> 55% democrats, right? that's unheard of in this administration. she's been there over -- coming this january, be there close to two years. that's a long run from this business as you know. it's a grind job. she finished up unga very successfully. if she left after the mid terms, it would look like she's running after the mid terms because of the house flipping or something upcoming. there would always be an excuse. >> true. she never said why she was leaving. >> you know what she's leaving to do? chris, she can stand up there and say i'm going to spend more time with my family. >> she could have said i need to make some money. i did a great job, i want to leave on top i need to make some money. >> chris, she's going to spend time with her family and kids, and look, this administration --

this is one position where you have a very strong bench. dean a powell, capable woman could step in and fill those shoes. without missing a beat. >> great point. her name isn't 0 lease. we'll get more into it if her name becomes real. >> listen, the president on air force one this evening said there is only one -- only name he's mentioned so far dismissed rick gra nell. he's not on the list but he's willing to put him on the list. the only person he mentioned is dina powell. you say she's not real. a i didn't say she's not real. i don't want to criticize her now. when she gets more real -- because trump says something on the airplane doesn't mean -- >> don't demean dena. >> i want to give her time. i don't want to critique her because her name popped out of the president's mouth. >> that's fair.

she's a long served in foreign policy -- >> this is my question. >> she's not been nominated yet. >> neither was nikki haley before she took the job. >> hold on. >> okay. >> she was known as an independent voice. she was known as not a fan of trump for a long time. but if he doesn't replace nikki haley with someone like her, do you think he takes a step backwards? >> look, i think he's going to pick the best person for the job. you're not going to find another nikki haley. she's a unique individual. she's very well qualified. i think she left at the perfect time to preserve lots of things for her future. so it's going to be tough, big shoes to replace. but i think dina is quite capable to fill those shoes. >> you know why i'm asking, angela. he has a penchant for picking yes people. if he picks a person to fill the spot does he wind up losing on the trades? >> donald trump needs people around him to hold him

accountable to find the higher ground. he struggles to find it whether on twitter, press conference soar some other venue. he absolutely needs people around him who will tell him the harsh real truth. it can't all fall on ivanka. there has to be some other -- david, david, david, david, you talked. >> you can't talk all night. >> all right, come on, one point at a time. >> let's run that back on time today. i can't wait. you know what, point is made. i cannot wait for people to run that moment back. let's compare minute to minute how much you talked tonight especially -- cut the crap. >> let's make that another content. make a point, angela, let's get a response to it. >> the point was already made. the point was made. he just didn't like it so he was talking over me. respond, david, the floor is yours. >> three-second delay. no one is going to get through the senate who is not tough and here going to push back. questions are going to be asked. this is going to be a cake walk -- >> how do you stop somebody? >> you have to put a hold, a

tough time. going to get beaten up. >> did you watch the nomination that just happened this weekend or -- >> i did, yeah. >> that's what happens. >> okay, all right. all right. my light zone tonight, chris. >> people will not get through who are not qualified. there is going to be someone who is going to push back. dina powell, rick granell. somebody is going to push back. i can assure you of that. >> he's put people around him who don't push back. he's surrounded by people who don't push back. >> you think so, chris. >> i have pretty good sources in there, david. i think i have some pretty good sources, too, chris. >> if you think he has people who push back on him you and i define it differently. >> kellyanne conway -- >> first of all, kellyanne, anybody who has been there for a long time is not someone who makes the president uncomfortable on a regular basis. >> that is exactly right. >> if they did, he would not say the things and tweet the things he did if he had a real strong

political hand at his side. no self-respecting politician who understands messaging and the roll of that office would allow what is coming out of it in terms of the rhetoric. republican or democrat. >> chris, you want to call kellyanne weak, that's fine. i think she's a strong woman. >> i didn't say it. you're not the coms director. you're not great at this messaging thing. you throw stuff out there with no basis in fact. >> you said no basis in fact. >> i'm watching the great debate tonight. >> you said the president doesn't have anybody strong next to him. >> i said kellyanne our mutual friend is strong. you said no she's not. >> he was talking about people standing up. >> they don't tell him what he wants to hear. final point to you, angela. >> i would love to see david name three to four people in the white house who he thinks regularly stand up to donald trump. it just doesn't exist. and i like kellyanne. i remember when she was a commentator here on this

network. that's a different kellyanne we have now. that doesn't mean she doesn't stand up to donald trump, but kellyanne is regularly on message, david. you can shake your head as much as you want. >> when she comes out doing battle on behalf of the president she's on message, of course she is. >> if he listened to kellyanne every time she gave advice he wouldn't say the things as often as he does. he's the president so he should be the last word. that's the way the tim works but he'll be held to account. angelle a thank you very much. dave, always a pleasure. >> thanks for having me. >> from all that foul wind to an actual storm. hurricane michael is coming, it's just hours from making landfall. now, you'll keep hearing, it could be the most destructive storm to hit the florida panhandle in decades. why? they haven't gotten hit this way in a long time. we're going to talk to a congressman who is on the ground, his area, his district, is especially vulnerable. he has a message to you who are down there in florida in the

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intensifying as it gets closer to the gulf coast. that is a fact. and this part of the country is particularly vulnerable. florida congressman neil dunne's district is right in the middle of it. congressman, thanks for being with us. i'm sorry it's under these circumstances, but you've got a lot of people from the florida area in the path of this storm who watch us at this time of night. so they'll be listening to you. are you ready for what's coming and what's your concern? >> thank you very much, chris and thank you for helping us get the word out about this storm. it really is a catastrophic storm. the window of opportunity to evacuate is almost closed. people are going to get out of town, they need to be getting in their car right now, or going to a shelter. there are four shelters open in bay county. many shelters across the 19 counties affected going to trailing off to our east. >> quick question. are all the shelters equipped for this level of storm?

because there's reporting on the ground that, you know, some of the shelters are not going to be open because they're not equipped for this. >> so, i can't address all of the shelters, but we have four in bay county and i just came from our center. yes, they're all ready for this storm. they're ready for a cat-4 storm. >> good. >> which this could be. >> right. that's what we're hearing, it could get stronger. tom saider, our meteorologist told us that. the shelf and the shallower water, the temperature, we'll wait and see. i'm always open to being wrong about this. i always hope they're weaker. your district, you have a lot of pockets of poverty and you have rural areas in your district. >> we do. >> harder to access, harder to check on, harder to get to places that are safe for them, slower to leave in a lot of cases. how do you deal with that?

>> so, you're right. it is a very rural district and a lot of these communities are at the end of the road. they're not necessarily sea side type resorts. >> right. >> a lot of people who make their living fishing and oystering. they're a little more remote, hard to pry out of their homes when the weather hits. >> so what do you do about that? >> well, we have -- we've actually developed over the last few years a much more active preparation for storms, much more robust response right after the storm. so we'll swarm in there with all the normal utility trucks and everything you can imagine down there. first responders, to try to help everybody who is still there. but we really like it when people get out of the way of the storm ahead of time, especially with the kind of surge we're looking at here. this is a surge that's probably higher than anybody has seen in their lifetime in the panhandle. >> what do you know about how people have responded to the call in the areas that are mandatory evacuation or where it's recommended? are they listening?

>> not as well as we would like. that's why i appreciate you doing this, because i think there is still room for more people to get out of harms way. we wish they would because it's a lot easier to take care of people who are out of the way of the storm's surge than it is to go in and try to get them out afterwards if they stayed. >> congressman, as i told the mayor and we tell local officials all the time when something like this is headed their way, if you need to get the word out, if you need to say what is needed, our brothers and sisters in nickell robey-coleman income, even up in wilmington are just getting their kids back in school, they have need for all kind of essentials and hopefully the storm doesn't w50i7bd wind up exacerbating it for you. >> we appreciate that. it is important. people get complacent, they think they're old hands because they've been through a couple category 1s or category 2s. this is a totally different critter. >> ivan, dennis, 2004, 2005,

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12 second decide. isn't it weird on the same day the u.n. climate change report comes out and all the problems that we're seeing in systemic changes in climate and we're talking about all these storms and nobody connects the two? isn't that odd the president says, well, i'll look at it but i could see reports either way. no, you can't. it's called science. all right, now, on to another topic. innocent until proven guilty. it is one of the most sacred principles of our criminal justice system of course. when president trump's supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh was credibly accused of sexual assault, it became a regular refrain right up until his confirmation from the president. listen. >> our country, a man or a woman, must always be presumed

innocent unless and until proven guilty. and with that, i must state that you, sir, under historic scrutiny were proven innocent. >> now, look, i don't know who wrote it, but the presumption of innocence is a valued, valued construct in a court of law. we were not in a court of law. this was a kangaroo court. this was politicians fighting over a position on the supreme court. so, proven innocent, the president says, is a perfect time for mark twain's quote, lies, dam lies, and then you have statistics. it is a lie to say that the presumption applied here because, like i just said, we're not in a court. and trump knew that this was going to be a political measure. so it's a lie. it's a dam lie to say that he was found innocent. we certainly don't know to any certainty that kavanaugh was blameless on all fronts.

and then there are statistics which takes us to trump's latest statement about crime in chicago. >> stop and frisk, it works and it was meant for problems like chicago. it was meant for it. stop and frisk. >> again, i don't know who wrote it, but stop and frisk runs counter to innocent until proven guilty. the key statistic, in chicago, officers stop blacks 72% of the time. what percentage are they of the population? not 72, 32. a reminder, the controversial policy was previously implemented in new york city, right? allowed officers to stop anyone they believed commit order was about to commit a felony if there was, quote, reasonable suspicion. the policy was so selectively enforced that it was criticized as little more than racial profiling in practice and a federal judge in 2013 ruled its methods discriminatory and unconstitutional. but the president, he keeps

citing top and frisk insisting that it works. this is also a man who said the central park five were guilty. in both instances he relied on anecdotes over evidence. notwithstanding that new york city's murder and overall crime rate have continued to drop since the policy all but stopped, and to this point, the mayor in chicago says that gun violence was down 30% last year, and that's when the policy was curtailed. so, how does trump's call for the presumption of innocence make any sense? simple. he hands out innocence if it seems to be politically useful. let's bring in don lemon for his take. where am i wrong, don? >> you're not wrong anywhere. and i wrote something similar to what you said about stop and frisk years ago and people misinterpreted it saying that i was condoning the practice and that wasn't it. i was simply pointing out what a difficult choice it is because some people think as the president does, that they're actually safer when people are stopped and frisked.

okay, put that aside. let's say that's true. it's not. but we know from the numbers that you've given and just from the facts that police don't stop people who are not of color at the same rate as they stop people of color. so they don't dole it out to everyone. if they stopped every person of color and said i need to check your bag, because it's stop, question and frisk. i need to check your bag. you know they're not going to do that. they're going to say, get on the ground. what are you carrying? that was the thing. so to make your point, statistically. this is the brennan center. there's no relationship between stop and frisk and crime seems to be apparent. there's no relationship between stop and frisk and crime. new york remains safer than it was 5, 10, or 25 years ago. the murder rate is still going down with no stop and frisk as it was under previous mayors before bill de blasio. >> look, the statistics don't

lie, and, of course, it always gets complicated. you have multiple measures going on at the same time. who knows what's to blame for a crime going down? sometimes criminologists will even argue it's simply a metric of the economy, that the better the economy is, the less crime because there's less necessity. here's the problem on this for trump. he says things that he doesn't apply consistently. due process for kavanaugh! innocent until proven guilty! when it doesn't apply and if anything that process was rigged in favor of kavanaugh. then he'll apply the same logic to stop and frisk just like he did with the central park five. it feels right to him. these guys looked guilty. they gave confessions. that's good enough. when you confess, you're always telling the truth. then he just pops it out there and lets everybody else justify it for him. >> well, that is my same problem -- the same problem that i have with kanye west. he likes to give these platitudes like the president. they're one and the same really. they like to give these platitudes. but they don't do their homework.

they don't do their research. it sounds good, but none of it's true, and none of it makes sense. and we're going to discuss that as well. again, as you said, central park five, lock her up, what about due process when it comes to that? never happened. >> d. lemon, big fan. see you later. >> see you soon. ambassador nikki haley's resignation stunned a lot of people today. the one thing everybody wants to know is why? enter chris cillizza. he has not one, not two, but three possible reasons, and he'll lay them out and be tested, next. each of us is different. and each cancer is different. how it reacts, how it evades and adapts. . and for some, it may uncover more effective

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the way donald trump likes on the world stage, she's more of a moderating influence behind the scenes. pompeo, the secretary of state, former cia chief, and john bolton, a noted skeptic of the u.n., but the national security adviser are the newer sort of baubles in the trump cabinet. reporting suggests they were having a heavier hand in decision-making than haley. so maybe she saw the writing on the wall that this wasn't going to get better. that's my option one. >> that's one. i was looking for a place to write. i was going to write "meh" on this. you get a meh on number one. maybe that's true. maybe that isn't. theory number two, she needed to make some money. >> yeah, okay. so this one i think we always forget that these are real people. they're not just politicians. nikki haley in 2015, the year -- the second last year she was governor, the year before she becomes u.n. ambassador, her family makes combined family income $170,000. she has a kid in college, a kid going to college in the next few years. she made more than that. she made $190,000 the year before.

she made in the 200,000, 300,000 the year before that. the point is this is not a person of significant means starting off. and, two, she's got a lot of debt. >> got a lot of debt. >> we know from her 2018 financial disclosure, a million dollar plus mortgage. >> that's an important factor, chris. >> yes. >> 200 grand, that's good money in most places in the country. but with a million dollars in debt to service and a line of credit of 250,000 or $500,000 -- is that how much she has out, or is that how much she has access to? >> well, we know she has access to somewhere between $250,000 and $500,000. but the point is, $1 million mortgage and over $50,000 in credit card debt. well, somewhere between $25,000 and $50,000. so we know the broad, but it suggests someone with real debt. remember, nikki haley in the private sector makes a lot more than nikki haley in the public sector. >> 100%, especially right now,

especially the way she went out, especially with all the glow that the president seems to have for her until theory number three. theory number three is the one we're going to get after. she wants to run for president. she said she's not running, cillizza. can you not hear? >> she said she's not running in 2020, which is smart because she would be very dumb to run against donald trump in a primary in 2020, and i'd say that about literally any other republican. people focus on trump's approval numbers broadly. fine. not very popular. will be vulnerable in 2020, but not in a republican primary. >> mm-hmm. >> his numbers are hugely positive among republicans. so nikki haley is smart to rule that out because that would never work even if she wanted to do it. but what's the next race after that? i know people say you're getting ahead of yourself. politicians, good ones, plan. the next race after that is 2024. and whether trump wins a second term in 2020 or loses, the 2024 republican nomination is open as in no incumbent. >> why did she have to leave now to get ready for that?

>> she doesn't have to leave now, chris, but i think she's got those two years of trump service. she's good enough with the trump folks, and now maybe she spends time making some money. i do think that matters. and also sort of doing, well, i can be a trump person but also the establishment doesn't like me. don't forget, her approval, 67% in a quinnipiac poll. name me one other trump official with anything close to that. >> 55% were democrats too. chris cillizza, you're beautiful. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts now. cillizza took me over time. i will beat him accordingly. >> that's okay because i was sitting here with one of my guests coming up. i'll introduce him later. it's michael dantonio. but chris cillizza, if you're still there, that was impeccable analysis. i say that, chris -- >> i gave him all the answers. he just presented them. >> he said everything i said today. everyone is like analyzing. there you go, chris cillizza. >> wait a minute. it's