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breaking news on the mystery surrounding the disappearance and alleged murder of a "the washington post" columnist and the deep questions about the trump administration's response to it. turkish authorities have audio and visual evidence that show jamal khashoggi, his interrogation, torture and killing were audio recorded and sent to the cloud and his phone which was outside with his fiancee. president trump hasn't said much about the whole affair. he did this evening on his way to a rally in ohio. jim acosta has that. >> we know the turkish believe the saudis are responsible for jamal khashoggi's death, but the president was not willing to
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take on that description. he says there are some theories as to what's going on right now. people have some ideas as he put it as to what happened to khashoggi. but he was not willing to say, yes, that the saudis killed one of their own journalists. he was also asked whether or not this entire mystery surrounding the disappearance of the saudi journalist calls into question whether or not the president, the u.s. is doing enough to hold saudi arabia responsible for its human rights record, which obviously it's had a lot of issues over the careers. here's what the president had to say about that. >> i think a lot of records are overlooked. if you look at iran, if you look at so many other countries. you take a look at syria. a lot of country's records have been overlooked, but this is very serious thing, and we're looking at it in a very serious manner. >> reporter: now, the president did say that he plans to speak to king salaman of saudi arabia in the coming days, but, anderson, it's not at all clear that the president is putting a
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lot of pressure on the saudi kingdom, as you heard him say yesterday he's reluctant to go after these arms sales that have been under way between the u.s. and saudi arabia as a way to provide a approach to prompt the saudis to do better to come clean in terms of what happened to khashoggi. all we know at this point is that senior administration officials have been speaking with the crown prince mohamed bin salaman. >> has the president spoken to the crown prince or the king in saudi arabia? >> that is expected to be the next step, anderson. he's expected to speak to king salaman. he said that to reporters as he landed in ohio earlier this evening. anderson, we don't know at this point what assets have been committed to the investigation. he said this week u.s. investigators would get to the bottom of this, but it's not clear what kind of commitments to u.s. is putting towards all this. remember the president said
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yesterday in the oval office when he was there with kanye west, that, you know, he's not even -- he was not even sure how much the administration should do because khashoggi is not even a u.s. citizen. and so there are lots of questions, anderson, has to how committed the administration is at this point to finding some answers to all of this. but at this point this evening they seem to have no real answers what's going on. >> we're going to have more on that later in the program. but we do want to turn now to the stories of the people that survived the very worse of hurricane michael. the death toll as i told you now stands at 17. it rose all day given the devastation in places like mexico beach, like what you're seeing it will almost certainly continue to rise. 286 people stayed through the storm. as you can see a lot of the town is heavily damaged or simply leveled. crews have been making their way through town searching for people who may be trapped alive beneath wreckage, searching for
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survivors and of course for anyone who did not survive. here's what we know of the 17 in counting who did not make it. steven suit died when a tree fell on his home. he was 44 years old. his managed a local car dealership. his wife gale was with him when it happened. >> he was one of a kind. always giving mind to people at the stop signs and stuff, would help anybody. >> steven sweet. firefighter brad clark was killed when a tractor-trailer lost control on a rainy highway and hit his truck in harve overcounty, virginia. he loved the military, his family and the fire service dearly. he was 43 years old, brad clark. sarah was at her grandparents house in georgia when a metal carport crashed into it. she'd recently started sixth grade. her father says she loved playing the trumpet, acting and singing.
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she loved life, he says. she brightened my world, she was 11 years old and liked to play like she was 5, he said. no doubt we're going to learn more about others who did not make it in the coming days. as we mentioned in some of the hardest hit spots recovery crews are searching for the living and the dead. communications are still spotty in some areas, and those who survived are doing whatever they can do reach out to loved ones who are waiting for word they're okay. i want to take you to mexico beach. our martin savidge is there tonight. talk about what you've seen and heard. >> reporter: well, you know, it's absolute agony on both ends of this. you've got family members, of course, they run out the storm, they survive, but now there's no way for them to communicate and tell their loved ones they're alive and well. and imagine being on the other end. you were talking to your brother, you were talking to your mother just before the storm and suddenly absolute silence. and what do you see?
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you see the images of mexico beach here and it is utter devastation. instruct here has been totally eliminated. what we wanted to do was go into those communities. not along the beachfront here. you go deeper, farther inland, the trailer parks there, and there you'll find people who are still trapped, alive but unable to get word out. we tried to be that conduit for them, and i think we've got statements here. >> and i will just say that we're all well and we thank god that we're doing well. >> we made it. you know, be thankful for that. >> alive, safe and well and that would be really my oldest because i think she's the most worried. >> we are alive, we are okay. we're dirty and filthy, but we are okay, and we do have food and water, so we're getting
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there. >> reporter: let me just read you some of the names because this is important, of course, for family members of loved ones to share they saw watching on your show. diana williams is alive and well. she's one of those she's got family in georgia. she especially wanted to reach her son philip. we've got fey littleton, she's got family. we've got jary swain, family all over texas. she wanted them to know she's alive and well. and christine brinkmayer, and debby karroo. another one i have to mention, billy kraft, and he's in his 80s. i believe 82 years of age. he's not been able to reach his sister. he is desperate that she know he is alive and well. and there are others. they are in really desperate situations here. this is much like what you saw in the aftermath of katrina,
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that blackout where people couldn't reach out for help. but at least through their faces and their voices some families all across the country know that they are alive and well. unfortunately in mexico beach today the first victim was discovered. the name has not been released. it's a male. it was a person who was discovered in what they say is the debris field several hundred yards away from his home, and unfortunately authorities believe it won't be the last such discovery. anderson? >> and i just want to point out all those people whose faces we showed talking, they had not been able to reach their families. and hopefully their family members are watching right now, and they will contact them just to let them know they're aokay, and they're alive. just in terms of the residents who are there, obviously i'm sure their homes are destroyed or badly damaged. are they trying to get out? are they able to get out of that area? do they want to stay there now and just protect what they have or i can't imagine there's a lot
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of water, food available yet at this stage. >> reporter: no, there isn't. and it's a bit of everything you just sort of described there. there are some people who are staying because they have to look at what little they have left. there are others who are staying because they can't get out. their vehicles were swept away as well as their homes. and then on top of that there are just others who are trapped by their economic means. some food and water has been brought in but that is for people who rode out the storm here. they are trying to get people to shelter, not shelters here. there are none. but the roads are still very difficult to pass, and it's very hard both interest help to come in and for those who want to leave to get out. but the city is trying to organize a means to take those away who want to get away. anderson? >> martin avij, appreciasavidge your reporting tonight and
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saying those names for us. there's welcome news about two people who rode out the storm there. danny wiggins and his sister. at that point she had not heard from either one of them. shortly after she appeared on the broadcast she got word on facebook both made it through. danny made his way to a rare spot with cellphone reception and was actually able to dial his sister. like mexico beach st. george island faces the gulf. there's one bridge providing access to the maine island and that's it. so people who stayed hour after hour, not only physically cut off from the rest of the world but surrounded by water. security camera video of a flooded neighborhood island. last night we spoke to a close friend of a woman who owns this house. gary tuchman, here's his report. >> reporter: with so many florida panhandle roads impassable, we dharter a bocharo
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get to st. george island where a few dozen people did not evacuate during hurricane michael. the devastation we see immediately making it clear those people were in peril. tiaura walker was one of the people who stayed behind. did you think you were going to die? >> there were a few points in times i thought it could happen, that i could die. >> reporter: tiara stayed at an armt, o apartment. >> there was a point i thought the roof was going to fly away so i flipped the couch over and tried to prepare for the worst situation. >> reporter: this incredible video comes from a security system as hurricane michael arrived on the island. torrents of water from the gulf of mexico creating currents in the front yard of an evacuated home. this is the video camera that shot that video.
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it still remains. and this is the exact vantage point. the water's gone but the damage is oh, so obvious. residents now just returning to their houses. krista miller's family lived on this island. >> we were pretty worried this place would no longer be here. if that storm had not, you know, taken that little turn, this place would be leveled completely. >> reporter: but most homes on st. george's island have been damaged, many very expensively. like the home of christopher crosier who has lived here for 38 years. >> one of the risk as you take when you live on an island you can get devastated by a hurricane. will this make you give up on living on this island? >> hell no. no way. it's too beautiful. i discovered this place in the '70s and worked every bit of life to be here in this county. i got a job as a schoolteacher.
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>> so you're staying? >> i'm here. i'm not going anywhere. >> is everybody accounted for? >> reporter: well, anderson, what's slightly problematic is we don't know exactly how many people stayed behind. but and this is very important, there have been no calls from people saying their loved ones or friends are missing from the island. and no one on the island today say they know of anyone who's missing. coming up last night on the broadcast i should mention we spoke with senator marco rubio. tonight his senior colleague senator nelson joins us. i spoke to him a short time ago. senator nelson, i know you just got back from mexico beach. what's your assessment? how are things? >> it is the worst destruction that the panhandle has seen for however long that i've been living. it's akin, anderson, to
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hurricane andrew back in 1992 south of miami where everything was leveled. it is clear in mexico beach the buildings that were built to the new code, they have survived and some partially survived. unless they were right on the beach. and the ones that were older dwellings, i mean they're gone. but people were already starting to come back in today, and they're very resilient. they're going to rebuild, and it'll be a greater place for people to come and enjoy the beach. >> are there enough resources there, shelters, water and food for not only those who survived but for people who are coming back? because i was talking to some officials yesterday who were saying, look, please, don't come back yet. it's going to interfere with
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search and rescue operations, and there's just not enough resources. >> in mexico beach specifically the answer is no. there's not going to be there. they basically had to evacuate, although, i talked to a fellow who rode out the storm on a second floor and his windows did not break. he said they were bulging six inches, but they did not break. >> wow. >> in panama city, in a city that's in the dark, it is going tobe to be a while. and this is what happens after a hurricane, especially one of this magnitude. there's going to be a period of time where it's going to be difficult to get plies in. now, as we were going back out of the city, i saw all of the convoys of the trucks coming in with supplies. but it's going to be a while, and peoples' patience is going
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to be tried. >> i guess what message do you have right now for people who may be watching, perhaps staying with friends or families, they're worried about their homes, they're not even sure if their homes are still there or if they're not, they want to get back to their homes. they're not even sure where to begin of putting this process back together. what's your message tonight? >> well, the best news other than floridians are tough and resilient, and i saw that every place. neighbors helping neighbors, at the hospital, completely now evacuated, but they were keeping the emergency room going. and then there was an emergency team that had come in that were setting up a lower threshold operating room out in the parking lot, but the only good
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news is that the weather ended up after the storm flew through, the weather ended up being beautiful. no rain, clear skies. so as long as fema can get the blue tarps in so that people can patch their roofs, and most every roof has a leak or a hole, then they can secure their homes so that it's not damaged with rain coming in. but fema's got to get thousands and thousands and thousands of blue tarps in. >> senator nelson, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. just ahead, a closer look at what emergency crews are going through as they race to find survivors in the wreckage of mexico beach and elsewhere. a fire chief, a local police chief show us -- are leading the effort. they're going to join us. also coming up exactly how the alleged apprehension and killing of jamal khashoggi
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instagram, neighbors rescuing other neighbors during the storm. i can tell you we've seen so much of that in so many disasters. joining us now is joseph zuraldan, also a mexico beach police chief, anthony kelly. appreciate both of you being with us. chief, can you just talk a bit about the latest search and rescue efforts in mexico beach and elsewhere? >> yes, thank you, anderson. yesterday we began at daybreak and we did what we consider to be a primary search, which is we went through the entire area very quickly, and attempted to touch as many lives as possible. once we get through that process then we go back and do it all again, something we could call a secondary search. so we got about 85% complete yesterday. we had about 15% remaining. we began that process today, and
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we were able to complete that and get about 50% of our secondary search accomplished. so we'll be out here again in the morning at daybreak continuing that process. >> and chief kelly, do you have an accurate number of how many people are still unaccounted for or even how many chose to stay for the storm? >> yes. what we did is 24 hours prior to the storm we went into the incommunities house to house, door-to-door identifying the people that said they were going to stay. we did have 268 residents and children staying. prior to the contact at the storm we went around again from our understanding some of the neighbors some of the residents did leave, but unfortunately there were some that just said they were not going to leave. >> and at this point i'm not sure if either of you can say
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how many may still be unaccounted for or it's not clear at this point. because as you said some may have left and not informed authorities, which is obviously one of the difficulties you face. >> well, you are correct. it is a difficult process. but i can say that that process has been made easier by the efforts of the police chief and his department because he was able to provide us a book of residents that we know stayed behind. and that book was accurate up to a few hours before the storm. so it doesn't give you all of the answers you're looking for, but it really does help to push you in the right direction. and we are cross-referencing his list with the work that we've been doing. >> i talked to an official yesterday who was sort of asking people please don't come back to mexico beach at this point to check on your house. obviously, there's a lot of people who want to come back to see what's happened to their
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house, to see what's happened to their friends, to try to find family members. is that still your message tonight? because i can't imagine there's a lot of resources there if you've got a lot of people coming back. >> we do. what i'm asking for the safety efforts going on right now is if you are a resident and if you have a florida georgia license with a mexico beach address, when you come to our check points we'll allow you to come in because we understand you want to see what's there. but for the safety of the public we're not asking that everybody come back to mexico beach right now. we just want the locals with a local address that when they come here to identify themselves and we'll make every effort that we can to accommodate them once they come here. >> and just in terms of resources, you know, i was talking to senator nelson a moment ago, bill nelson. he was saying that there's obviously a lot of damaged homes, not destroyed but significantly damaged.
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they're going to need tarps from fema to patch things up temporarily. in terms of resources obviously it takes time to get stuff in, and i know roads have been difficult. are you starting to get things like tarps, water, food for those who are still there? >> yes, we've had a good outcry from the assistance, from the cdc, the governor's office. but we are making resources available. we have got water here. we've got a kitchen setup for the people that need to get food, mills ready to eat. so we have a distribution setup that several of the city employers, the city clerk is getting that information out as well as we can get what supply as we can to the people that need them. >> and finally this question is for either of you, obviously i'm sure you both have been through storms before. obviously florida's been hit hard in the past. just in terms of what you've
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been seeing over the last 24, 48 hours how does this compare s? >> well, every storm is unique in the type of damage it does. but when you walk into a situation like this, it really strikes you from the perspective how surreal it is. and quickly especially a florida task force coming from an area that's been affected numerous times. we really understand and sympathize and empathize with the individuals here, the citizens and what they're going through. and it's a very difficult recovery process. so our goal is to make it as comfortable as possible and to give them all of the resources that they're struggling without right now because they are locally impacted. and again we completely understand what it is to be locally impacted, so we're just doing everything we can for them. >> well chief kelly and chief --
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>> as far as the department it is a small community. it is a small department, but we do know everybody, so it's impacting the officers. you know, when we walk through the neighborhoods, looking through the debris piles you see photos and parts that are part of somebody's life. as we are such a small community it's not that we just work here, this is part of our family as well. so we're individually touched. >> we appreciate it. coming up the latest on the new reporting about the alleged murder of a "the washington post" reporter jamal khashoggi. at the consulate with an update with what we've learned about how his murder, apparent murder, possible torture may have been recorded and captured. this place isn't for me.
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as we've reported at the top of the program president trump says he's going to call king salaman of saudi arabia, quote, pretty soon about the disappearance and alleged murder of a "the washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi. a source familiar with the situation says turkish authorities have audio evidence showing he was killed inside the
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consulate. they obtained audio from his own apple watch he was wearing from files ans mitted to his iphone which was was with his fiancee waiting outside. the president basically deflected. >> if you look at iran, look at so many other countries, a lot of country's records have been overlooked. but this is very serious thing, and we're looking at it in a very serious manner. >> well, the united states, of course, hasn't done any major arms deals with iran or syria recently. meantime international pressure is growing by the day for saudi arabia to explain exactly what happened to khashoggi inside their own consulate. our senior national correspondent arwa damon joins us now from outside the consulate in istanbul. what do woe know more about the recording captured on the apple watch? it's extraordinary if true. >> it really is, bairld if this
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is all based on the reporting, saying that khashoggi turned to the recording cape lts of his apple watch before he entered the consulate, and it would seem at least according to this paper that a lot of what transpired inside was in fact recorded. now, it's not entirely clear as to whether or not it would be tech logically feasible for his apple watch to then transmitted this to the icloud or iphone with his fiancee that was outside the consulate. but certainly if true would explain some of the audio recordings that the turks say they've managed to obtain at this stage. we do know from a source familiar with the investigation, was briefed by a western intelligence agency on the content of the audio and video recordings that the turks have claimed to have, that they
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contain audio and perhaps some video even of the assault, of a struggle that seems to have taken place. and there's also evidence of khashoggi's final moments, effectively his killing. of course all of this raising the specter of the questioning, because it seems at this stage there's very little evidence put forward to back the saudi's claim that khashoggi did leave the consulate on the very same day he entered, it anderson. >> there's security footage of himnerring t him entering the building. you would think there would be video of him leaving the building if in fact he left alive. has saudi arabia responded at all to the news there are recordings of his torture? >> no, they have not responded
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at this stage. they have put out different statements saying various reports appearing in the media are based on lies and part of a broader effort to undermine the kingdom. and they did put a statement they did support the joint investigation that is taking place between saudi arabia and turkey. and a delegation from saudi arabia did arrive in turkey a few hours ago. and if you'll remember the two countries had decided to establish this joint working group. exactly how and what that working group is going to do, exactly what it's going to uncover at this stage is unclear. turkey had been asking and had in fact been granted access to not only the consulate, but also the consul-general's home. that was a few days ago. the consulate asked for it to be postponed and all of a sudden we hear about this joint working group. a lot of questions surrounding that issue because presumably there are a lot of politics at
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bay. as we are very well aware this is an investigation that's becoming more politically charged by the day. >> appreciate it. the president's facing pressure from senators who investigate the disappearance. at this point i'm wondering what you make of what we've heard from saudi arabia, what we've heard from the trump administration? what do you want to see happen? >> well, anderson, every day is becoming more and more obvious that the saudi government was involved in this tragic episode and that this is really a very serious matter. we need to take action. america's leadership is desperately needed. there's a provision in our constitution in regards to the freedom of the press. it's a fundamental part of our democracy and of global democracies. and what the saudis allegedly did here countervenes all international laws. let's find out exactly what happened, and if the government
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is responsible, they have to be held accountable. i've joined my colleagues in asking the trump administration to consider the use of magnitsky sanctions. this is legislation i author would the late senator mccain to deal with the tragic episode in russia dealing with sergei magnitsky who died in circumstances similar to what we have here but as a lawyer not as a journalist. when a government violates basic human rights and does not hold itself accountable then these sanctions would prevent those individuals from using our banking system or visiting our country with visas. it's an appropriate sanction, but we need to do more. >> one of the things we heard from the white house yesterday which is that this journalist is not an american citizen. should gnat matter at all? >> no, it doesn't matter whatsoever. he obviously was contributing to "the washington post" as a
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reporter. he had privileges as a resident, to be able to come to america. but it's the u.s. leadership in protecting journalists and that the saudis have a critical relationship with the united states, and we have to make a clear that relationship will be changed if the saudi government's responsible for these types of actions. >> do you really feel there is momentum within the senate, within congress to actually enforce some sort of sanctions or some sort of penalty on saudi arabia? it's obviously a critical ally for the united states and region and one that the trump administration has been working with. >> well, absolutely. i talked to senator graham yesterday, the republican chair of the subcomittee on foreign ops, senator corker, the republican chairman of the foreign relations committee. i talked to several of my democratic colleagues. we've all agreed we cannot let
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this type of activity go unchallenged if in fact it's established the saudi government was behind this tragedy. >> in terms of any arms deal the u.s. has with saudi arabia, the president said yesterday if the u.s. pulled out of the deal saudi arabia would just spend that money with russia or china or anywhere else. should that be taken into account? >> there is no specific arms deal as this particular moment. we do participate with the saudis in regards to their yemen campaign. i suggested we may want to look at modifying our relationship in regards to that military relationship. but we also are looking at entering into a peaceful nuclear agreement on nuclear energy. we may want to take a look at that. there are several aspects to our relationship that need to be evaluated of late in light of what happened here. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, anderson. coming up khashoggi is a
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former saudi insider who became a critic of the regime. we're going to have a look at the man known as mbs next. even if it's a better car class than the one you reserved. so no matter what, you're guaranteed to have a perfect drive. [laughter] (vo) go national. go like a pro. see what i did there? sharper vision, without limits. days that go from sun up to sun down. a whole world in all its beauty. three innovative technologies for our ultimate in vision, clarity, and protection. together in a single lens. essilor ultimate lens package. purchase the essilor ultimate lens package
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khashoggi has been critical of the ruscreegime and the crown p. we want a take a closer look tonight at mohamed bin salaman. long considered the favorite son of the saudi king he was known for his ambition and for having his eye on the throne. but his cousin was next in line so in june last year his cousin was reportedly summoned to a palace and told to surrender his position as the crown prince. late last year mbs initiated a widespread crack down on what he called corruption in his country rounding up wealthy businessman and even saudi royals. some were held against their will at the ritz-carlton in riyadh while they negotiated billions in payments to the
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government. when asked about it on cnn's "60 minutes," the prince denied it was a power grab. >> translator: if i have the power and the king has the power to take action against influential people then you are already fundamentally strong. these are naive accusations. >> many have already celebrated his rise to power. women are now allowed to drive and attend sporting events. mbs has also focused on the economy, trying to attract new businesses in order to make saudi arabia less dependent on oil. in march he held a highly publicized so-called listening tour in the u.s. where he met with president trump and also business leaders like bill gates, richard branson and apple's tim cooke. as crown prince he lives the good life. a long vacation in the south of
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france recently. the new yorker reports he recently bought a yacht, a chateau in paris andalist year he's said to have paid $450 million for a leonardo da vinci portrait of jesus christ. >> translator: i'm a rich person, not a poor person. i'm not gandy or man della. >> and whil e he does appear at times to be power hungry he's become an ally to the trump administration. an ally it seems, but questions still remain about how much mohammed bin salaman can be be trusted. as we reported the progovernment turkish newspaper says khashoggi
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may have recorded his own death or torture on his apple watch sent to the cloud and his iphone with his fiancee outside the consulate. really the omsource on it is this pro-government newspaper >> no, that's too far for a bluetooth connection. his anticipation of transmitting that, i think that was beyond khashoggi. i think what's happened clearly is the turks have the saudi consulate wired. the turking don't trust any diplomats. thieve in most embassies and most consulates in turkey. they listen to what's going on. if instead there are tapes, you know, proving that he was murdered, i think that's probably how they know, but the turks are reluctant to admit that. >> again, this is just -- it's reporting by the tush irk newspaper, you think that's a cover essential for a spying
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operation. that the turks have ongoing in the consulate in istanbul. >> i think almost definitely. remember that turkey and saudi arabia are sworn enemies in the islamic world. the turks don't trust the saudis. they would have had a lot of surveillance on that consulate. the comings and goings as well as inside and possibly video. the turks are very advanced in this. they don't want to admit it. >> why do you think the turks are engaging with a joint investigation with a saudi delegation that arrived in istanbul today. do you think it's politics? >> i think it's politics. the turks hate mohammed bin salman for what he's doing in yemen and what he's done with the muslim brotherhood. i think they would like to pry him out of the job and get rid of him.
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they won't admit that. mohammed bin salman is not particularly popular through that the islamic world and he's vying for influence with erdogan, the president of turkey. >> it's fascinating. mohammed bin salman came to the united states, met with business leaders. he's certainly trying to project a new image for saudi arabia, sell a new story for saudi arabia. if in fact the saudis did what the allegations are that they murdered this man in their own consulate in istanbul, it's kind of putting a lie to this image that saudi arabia's has been trying to project. >> i think. so remember mohammed bin salman detained the lebanese prime minister, hariri, which is just unheard of. and an insult to lebanon. he's burned through so many red lines that everything i'm hearing out of the kingdom, people are scared of him and he's detested by the tribes,
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he's an autocrat and they don't know where he'll go next. this idea he's a great reformer, it's washington publicity people putting that out. but inside the kingdom there's a lot of trepidation about what he's up to. >> he's cultivated an enormous amount of power in saudi arabia, some of the richest people and members of the royal family were arrested in the ritz-carlton hotel, who knows what went on and billions of dollars were taken from them, whether they were ill-gotten gains initially or not. he's the dictator. he controls oil, the military, the national guard, the economy, everything. his father has dementia, he is not in control. he is the dictator of saudi arabia. >> thank you for being with us. a lot more to follow on this story. i want to check in with chris to see what he's working on.
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chris? >> there's reporting that khashoggi was so worried he may have record what was going on. that maybe one point of access for authorities. there's a lot of intrigue going on with this. it just seems so different from how we've seen the united states government to deal with animosities before so we will go through that and have a big debate on the ongoing point of voter suppression. it will be important to look at. >> seven minutes from now. chris, thanks very much. see you soon. up next, first lady melania trump talks about her marriage and gives her take on her husband's alleged infidelity, plus why she says she's, quote, the most bullied person in the world. ♪ from the start, the c-class was ahead of its time. [ indistinct radio chatter ] still, we never stopped making it stronger. faster.
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first lady melania trump is speaking out in a rare interview. she talked about her marriage, the trump presidency and why she thinks she's "the most bullied person in the world." details from randi kaye. >> i'm a mother and first lady and i have much more important things to think about and to do. >> reporter: melania trump on her first solo foreign trip making headlines. not for what she did in africa but for what she said about her husband's alleged infidelities. >> it is not a concern and focus of mine. i know people like to speculate and media like to speculate about our marriage. >> reporter: asked if she's been hurt by the allegations, mrs. trump paused before answering. >> it's not always pleasant, of course but i know what is right and what is wrong and what is true and not true.
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>> reporter: her husband denied reports of extramarital affairs during the couple's 13-year marriage but mrs. trump has endured a steady stream of women who say otherwise and 15 women have come forward alleging misconduct ranging from sexual harassment and assault to lewd behavior, all of which trump denies. abc asked melania trump if she still loves her husband and if they have a good marriage. >> yes, we are fine. yes. it's what media speculates and it's gossip. it's not always correct. >> reporter: the first lady didn't answer directly when asked by abc if she believed the testimony of justice kavanaugh's accuser christine blasey ford but did say this. >> i understand women but we need to show the evidence. you cannot just say to somebody i was sexually assaulted and/or you did that to me because sometimes the media goes too far
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and the way they portray some stories it's not credibility, it's not right. >> reporter: mrs. trump also discussed bullying. >> i could say i'm the most bullied person in the world. >> reporter: you think you're the most bullied person in the world? >> one of them if you really see what people say about me. >> reporter: the first lady opened up about her lack of trust when it comes to her husband's inner circumstance. -- circle. >> some people they don't work there anymore. >> reporter: she told abc she is one of the president's most trusted advisers, even though he doesn't always listen. >> oh, i wish. i gave him my honest advice and honest opinions and then he does what he wants to do. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, palm beach, florida. >> melania trump. the news continues, i want to hand it over to chris cuomo. cuomo prime time starts now.
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