good evening. i'm van jones. welcome to "the van jones show." we've got the brilliant, hilarious dave chapelle with us. he just got honored by harvard university. he got a 2018 medal. dave has always had political insight as an observer but now he's actually getting involved in the political process for the very first time. he's out there campaigning to support his good friend and godbrother ben jealous who is campaigning to become the governor of maryland. ben jealous is here for his thoughts about maryland, and we

have neil degrasse tyson. just this week we saw another devastating storm with hurricane michael. our thoughts are with all the survivors whose homes were devastated. we still have a lot to learn about this particular storm. it's become more and more clear that global warming and climate disruption are linked to these storms becoming more unpredictable. mother nature doesn't care what political party you're a part of. this is something that impacts every single one of us. speaking of political parties, by the way, can we please stop this ridiculous debate about which political party can claim absolute moral high ground in america? because i'm sick of it. i am sick of the conservative right now pretending to be outraged over comments made by hillary clinton and eric poulter this week after conveniently

ignoring for three years rhetoric by donald trump. they say judge him on his policies, not what he says but what he does. but they take eric holder literally as a democrat to ignore americans? maxine waters says make a scene. eric holder says get tough and fight. michelle obama says go high. here's what i think. in the words of barack obama, don't boo, vote. it's about the vote. in less than 30 days, america is going to be able to go to the ballot box and help choose the country's political direction. and by the way, don't just vote. phone bank, door knock, volunteer, get involved. my first guest knows a little something about transitioning from his roots as an activist into politics. take a look. i want to welcome my friend. he's a former naacp director. he is a current democratic

candidate for the governor of maryland, ben jealous. welcome to "the van jones show." show him some love. [ cheers and applause ] >> i can't be neutral. i'm not even going to pretend like i'm neutral. wii been friends for 25 years. i've known you for so long. what are you learning about yourself on this campaign trail? >> what i'm finding is that my frustratio frustrations and working parents across our state are similar. here we are, we live in the richest country on the planet, and i got to lug in jugs of clean drinking water to my son's classroom because we're afraid of the kids to drink out of the water fountain. >> in maryland? >> in maryland. i tried to move a factory from northern canada to south baltimore. part of the city that used to be

home to bethlehem steel. it would be a big job to bring even a small factory back. i had the deal fall apart. why? because health care costs keep surging. parents and myself, our concerns go across regions. >> you're working for a lot of people that don't have the taint of the trump brand. you have african-americans working for governor. stacy abrams in georgia, she might be able to pull it off. but they're running against trump clones, like trump mini-mes. is it hard for you to run against somebody that is not a trump mini-me? >> yes and no. >> governor hogan? >> what's tough is a 100% name ideal. it's so much easier in many ways when you're both candidates and you're both fighting to get your

name known. trump set the bar so low. >> that's true. if you're not a bigoted lunatic, you're going to look good. >> absolutely. but in the case against hogan, i can run on his record. murders have surged, health care costs are up 120%, and job growth is so low that if we lived in georgia, we would have higher job rates and their jobs are at an all-time low. parents are saying, maybe i can't vote for this guy. for his popularity, the voters are about at 25%. that's why we're fighting so hard. >> you don't like his record. what is your number one priority. beyond criminal justice, what is your number one party if you were able to get in there?

>> 1952. my mom is 12 years old. she sues her high school in western baltimore so she can desegregate. she desegregates when she's 15. we know zip codes have control over your tyranny. where you're born determines how well educated you can be. as governor i would do one thing. it would be to finish the work that my mom and so many government people helped start a long time ago. in this case we have to fully fund ourselves. we've had a constitutional requirement for generations so every child would get a good education, and we have never lived up to it. our state's only consistency would be by 2,000 there are a year. this is not about money, this is about priorities, and so as

governor, the governor of maryland has more control than any other person in america. >> you have other priorities, medicare for people paying college tuition. how would you do that? >> this is about getting our health care costs under control. there literally is no option that's more expensive than the status quo. health care in maryland, number one cause in personal bankruptcy. choking small businesses. we can do much better. this is fundamentally about sitting down with businesses and consumers. i think what works best is to continue with premiums for employers and for consumers. you don't want to have to pay more to do better. sometimes you have to do better to do better. where a good chunk of the money is going to come from is from pharmaceutical companies to get a better deal. i will say we'll import from canada. you do that, you'll cut

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him on "the van jones show." please welcome comedian dave chapelle. [ applause ] >> good morning. i'm going see the news live. >> you have never endorsed anybody. you didn't endorse obama. people came back from the dead, black people, to endorse obama. what did you know about ben jealous that made you want to come out and endorse ben jealous? >> what do i know about dave chapelle? >> you know, i'm not a political

dude. i'm somewhat of a cynic when it comes to politics. however, this particular election was exciting to me because ben and i are like family. our fathers were best friends. my dad was his godfather. and when i was growing up, i never met ben. he was just like a picture on the wall, and when i moved to new york to do stand-up, my dad says, you know, you got a godbrother in columbia. you should go and hook up with him. ben and i hooked up and we became fast friends. first thing i realized about ben, we're similar in age but his intellect was daunting. man, this guy was one of the smartest people i had ever met. from the time i was 17 to now 44, i watched him work on equity, like seriously and diligently work on equity on us of the system. ben got kicked out of columbia at one point. >> i was protesting. >> he was protesting the

university when martin luther king was assassinated, and he said, man, you have to go to this protest with me, and i go, i'm good. ben got himself arrested and kicked out of school. for two years i watched him try to find his way. academk deecademia was his lifes taken from him. it was two long years. he got back into columbia and killed it. got the rhodes scholarship -- >> that's hard to do right there. >> and when he got the scholarship, everyone was very proud of ben, and my father said to ben, he said, i'm very happy, i'm very proud that you're got the scholarship. then he says my fear is they're awarding this scholarship so you'll no longer be afraid.

my dad was a cynic, too. >> he went to brown at age 13. >> not me. >> it was also 1953. >> it was not a comfortable time to be brown and brown. but my dad's fears were because he's from the generation where, you know, we petitioned from the outside. we saw a consumer advocate become president of the united states. those times are daunting, man. even as a comedian, i travel around the country. it's cynical here, it's polarized in a way i've never seen it before, and i feel like ben is a uniter. he's a policymaker, he's imagine

actiimagin imaginetive and he understands people. as an institution he takes an enormous amount of money from me. he's the one person who i understand can participate in government at a very high level and affect really change that i think is pertinent. >> you also are trying to build some interesting bridges. i want to show a clip that can get us off to a good start in trying to bridge some of these divides. let's hear a little bit from dave in your genre, as you say. >> full disclosure. the poor whites are my least favorites. we've gotten a lot of trouble out of them. and i had never seen so many of them up close. i looked them right in their cold, smeared faces. and to my surprise, you know what i didn't see? i didn't see one deplorable face

in that group. i saw some angry faces and some determined faces, but they felt like decent folk. and i listened to them. i listened to them say in a ena poor white people things. trump is going to go to washington and he's going to fight for us. i sat there thinking, my man, you dumb mother [ bleep ]. you are poor. he's fighting for me. >> that is such a brilliant illustration of where we are. you lived in rural ohio. people think of you as this urban legend but you actually lived in rural ohio. >> yes, i did. >> two years in, the country has

continued to get better. what would you say to those folks who are still big trump supporters today as we go into the midterm? >> you know, that's a tough question for me, van. i got to tell you, first of all, the town that i lived in is a small town. it's like a little blue bernie sanders island in the trump sea. they love donald trump. and i don't even know that they love him as much as being frustrated, they're fed up, and a lot of these white people feel like their voices don't matter anymore, that their concerns aren't important or what have you. to be honest with you, in the name of safety, i don't tell them anything about that guy. i don't believe that my opinion amounts to anything, but for me personally, i get along with everybody whether i agree with them politically or not. >> when you're actually trying to pull this democracy together, keep it from being torn apart, you have to talk to everybody.

you have to listen to everybody. i was out on the eastern shore and i was giving a speech. a guy who voted for trump asked me what i thought about medicare for all. i said i support it. he said, what if they won't do it at the federal level? i said, they won't do it at the state level. he said, then i'll vote for you. i said, you voted for trump and now you're going to vote for the former president of the naacp. tell me why. he said, i'm a finance manager at a car dealership. my bottom line is my business and my people. none of us get healthier until we can get health care we can afford. if you will, then i'll vote for you. >> there is this question, though, around democrat versus republican. you have people like kanye west saying, listen, i love you guys -- >> excuse me one second.

>> you know where i'm going with this, kanye says we can talk to democrats. what do you think? >> first of all, kanye is an artis artisan. he's a genius. i think in the angle he's seeing things from is about division that he sees. and he's not inconsistent with what he said. for instance, a decade ago i read a quote where he wanted to take the confederate flag and reappropriate it in a different kind of way. the thing that's scary about this presidency is accurate. i don't know if you've been married before or had a girlfriend and said something in a fight that was so wrong, then after that we still family, we still around each other, but i sure did say all that, didn't i?

i'm not mad at kanye. that's my brother. i love him. i support him. i buy his albums. whether people clap or not, i don't have to agree with everything he says, i just trust him as a person of integrity. yeah, he shouldn't say all that. but -- >> let me take it on the argument. what about the argument he's making, which is you're in this pc prison, you can't say anything and you're not allowed to vote for republicans if you're african-american. what's your argument for people who feel like it's time to give republicans a chance? it's an argument being made by a minority. >> if he ran republican, i would vote republican. if i got a chance to vote for somebody like this, i'm voting for him. >> the democrats used to be more

and more conservative. today, however, unfortunately there is only one party that stands for civil rights. we have to, as voters, really listen to the ideas. what i said, folks, is that the war on drugs has failed. trickle-down economics has failed. we have to put ideas on the table that actually lift up asian families. white, let's be clear, donald trump's party is donald trump's party. we have to fight with everything we have. >> you also talked about gender. we're in a new situation where a whole bunch of voices are coming forward. how do you guys look at the me too movement itself? >> i hope it succeeds. we all have to stand up in this

moment and say that these women who have courage to step forward. we have to believe survivors, we have to have their back, and we have to figure out how we finally leap forward. we've stayed stuck for a long. in hollywood, they are butting it up. >> which is good. >> it's better than good. it's necessary. >> there are a lot of things earning on the ex -- >> this is a tough discussion but it needs to be had. and people need.

i wonder if you were so threatened by it md. did you bauch "the cavanaugh. what was your take and impression? can you. >> oh, the way the cavanaugh. i grew up around. . she went to the police at 198 and told ld. it was daunting. it also made me sad that this is a national discussion that's happening during a supreme court nominee's hearing. it's a tough time for this

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welcome back to "the van jones show." i'm here about dave chapelle and the man who is campaigning for governor of maryland. what did you say to ben jealous to get him to be pro-marijuana? i know ben and that is not him. >> i'm not nearly as much fun as some of my friends. >> i can testify fi. >> i'd like to be someone like a ben jealous. >> i got to say, when i heard tchls. i think it's a very important

issue, more like a circus. >> two years later, they kept climbing up, up, up. go across the city. talk to commanders on the ground and find out what they were saying about it. came back and they said, two interesting data points. one was that nobody could really agree a lot of debate about what's happened the last two years. on the other hand, the question is what's gone on the last ten years. they all agreed that half the murders in the city were one marijuana dealer killing another one. i said, how could that be? i thought it was a relatively peaceful drug. he says, it's not about the drug, it's about the trade. violence of the trade is about territory. a little light bulb went off in

my head. this is no more harmful than alcohol, and alcohol, as we know, can be very harmful in many ways. then if we legalize it and the police officers say we can bring down killings, what's happened in washington state, what's happened in colorado? killings are going down. then we take money out of the pockets of gangs and cartels and put that money in the hands of farmers and businesspeople and we do that in an equitable people and tax it. it's enough money to as a business guy and as a smart drive. i've had two family members shot. if you're telling me we can bring down killings if we bring down cannabis, i don't buy it. >> it stops a lot of violence, a

lot of mayhem, and it's fun to smoke it besides. >> that may be true about marijuana, but there are other drugs that are much worse. our mutual friend, we had a mutual friend in prince who died because of a fentanyl overdose. i saw you in a stand-up thing in los angeles where you were talking about the impact of heroin in rural america. what have you seen in rural america when it comes to this whole opioid epidemic. >> a role reversal. they look like black people in the '80s with a different drug of choice. it's very sad to hear the vocabulary, now this is a health crisis. i was begging for them to call that crack epidemic a health crisis. we were criminalized. it's terrible to see. >> it's terrible to see the pain and suffering and terrible to

see the hypocrisy. >> yeah. >> what's your concern about marijuana legalization than opening the of 160% in four years, we have to treat it. we've got to deal with this public health crisis as a public crisis. do you feel like he gave dis disenchised people a chance? >> i just think the way he talks

is repug anatomy. we've living in a. they're right and foom. you can see a patchwork of people. i just think he's speaking to a very small choir. there's so many more things, just the way he engages in public is miserable. i say we should give the president a president because he's president of the united states now. what choice do i have? >> i think you also apologized for that, don't you? >> i don't ever apologize for that. what i said was -- i said it say

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of the hayden planetarium and the author of 15 books. his latest book is on the "new york times" best seller list. please welcome to "the van jones show" neil degrasse tyson in the house. oh, i love it. [ cheers and applause ] >> what are you doing here? neil degrasse tyson, this is your life. thanks for having me, man. >> it's an honor to have you here. we're excited about it. listen, you are somebody -- you deal with facts. you deal with analysis, rationa rationality. how are you handling this world now where it seems like it's facts over feelings -- >> feeling over facts. as an geology, how do you feel

about whaet going on now. it's earth that has all the problems. so it's a frustrating time because you try to have a rational informed conversation with someone about what is objectively true, and then people argue vociferously against it. it's revealing itself on many levels. there is this conduit level where people are sure the earth is flat. so be lauwe laugh at that and y might even discount it, but that's a symbol, i think, of some deeper state of mind where -- maybe it's not a state of mind, perhaps it's just a state of not knowing what science is and how and why it works. you know, you take a science class. we all did. i think the way it's taught is here is a satchel of knowledge, which is facts. learn them and then you take a

next class, not realizing that it's the way of querying nature. science is a way of asking questions about what you do not know. and if you don't think of it that way, you'll just leave the science class behind,. you might steal the freedom to discount it like you discount everything else you learned. not realizing you may not have that option. >> it's dangerous because science and politics bump up into each other. the climate debate -- would you even agree on the silence? >> if you have politicians

arguing about what is established liquid truths, then be beer. people have different ideas and feelings about the role they want to be in. the problem is when you go behind closed doors a& arguing about what the science is telling you, not what to do with what the science it telling you. you have reports for the future of your time. so ice ages, no knoll in antarctica in and greenland.

if you had those ice sheets in antarctica and greenland, the water level will rise to my elbow. we're talking about sea weather change and all of the greatest what's going to happen first r you're not sgg to see slow wurltment how it reaches your city walls. you'll see it in the extremes of the weather and this will destabilize the world, and you know what knows about this is the military. pill taer has no debate. >> our cities are at richk,

something else that you talk about is this whole idea of the space force. i'm thinking that's just nuts and a crazy idea. i want to get your reaction to the space force. space force. >> president trump said the proposed space force will prepare us for any potential star wars. >> that was one in a million. >> the space force would be a new average. it would manage space missile systems, big on more is the ligh lights. the air force would even have its own intelligence arm to r

about this. and this, the x-37 b. it's an unmanned space plane. it launches like the old space shuttle. it stayed in orbit for over two years at a time but its mission is pacifpacifying. president trump says the orbit is necessary because nasa in china and russia are already building weapons that can reach the united states. >> when we're defending america, it's not enough to not only have an american presence in space, we must have american dominance in space. >> but not everybody is over the moon about this new agency. some are worried that this new branch would be just too expensive. some people are putting the cost at $12.9 billion over the first five years alone. >> it's a trap. >> other critics are worried that you could spark a space race that could lead to real

combat in the cosmos. the trump administration is hoping to get the agency at liftoff by 2020, but in order for this to be anything but pie in the sky, congress must approve it. >> is this a good idea or a bad idea, cory? >> maybe some ideas are neither good or bad, they're just the right thing to do. just because the idea came out of the trump administration doesn't mean it's an irrational discussion. >> that's good to hear. >> as you correctly noted, you would shift away from the air force while it's already controlling the space command and it would become its own branch. i would throw in maybe asteroid defense. why not? >> you wrote a book about this relationship between astrophysics and war, and the way it that almost many things

in war. why did you write this book? >> the relationship between science and the military is there. for physics, they made the bomb and chemists made the napalm, and biologists might weaponize anthrax. what does thephysicist do? i care about things like using digital imaging to detect. i care about sending moving spacecraft to enter the sects. all of that not only can be used, has been used. >> help me understand your passion about that. >> thank you. i grew up in new york city.

it's a progressive place. my first awareness of culture inferi inferior? the equation was war understand why there were wars with other wars. there are times when a bad agent rises up and you would be irresponsible as a contributing member of civilization if you did not stop it. that's what happened with adolf hitler. you were saying, war is bad. don't use mine to go against adolf hitler. i know my historic brethren had been handmaidens to this.

we let you know where you're going and how to find your enemy again if you're going to take over that land. in this book i'm not there to judge it, i'm there to he can po -- expose it. coming up, we got more with neil degrasse tyson, including answers to your questions when we get back. hey, darryl! hey! hey, how much would you pay for something you don't want? nothing. is this a test? no. do you like getting stuff you like for free? yes. this feels like a test. it's not.

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welcome back to "the van jones show." i'm with the most famous astrophysicist in the universe, neal did e grasse tyson. is pluto a planet? >> no. next. >> number two, there is a skull shaped asteroid that's coming toward the earth during halloween. should i be scared? >> no. it will come near us. we'll get some good shots of it. i promise you, it will not look exactly like a human skull in spite of the artists' renderings. >> nothing to worry about. >> i promise you. >> what's the one thing that you know nothing about? >> oh. >> stumped him. >> no, no. i wish i knew how to compose music.

in another life that's what i'll do. i want to compose music for broadway musicals. that's a fantasy of mine. >> very nice. >> in a different life. >> you've still got time. >> i said a different life. not this one. i got more to do in this life, okay? in the multiverse. >> last question. carl sagan is gone. stephen hawking is gone. did you ever think when you were a little black kid watching carl sagan that at some point the most beloved scientist in america, maybe in the world, would be an african-american man? >> no. and i still -- i'm still a little bit freaked out. i don't view it as a personal achievement. i view it as evidence that people have -- everybody's got a little bit of geek in them and i'm there tickling it for them and stimulating them and it rises up and they want more. my hope for the future is this by the of stimulation gets people to want to care about

science, care about what's objectively true, care about the future of the country and of civilization itself. if i'm a catalyst itself, that's great. i don't even have to be remembered for any of it. what i want on my tombstone, a quote from horace mann, "be ashamed to die until you've scored a victory for humanity." >> thank you for being here. everybody check out the book. i'm van jones, "the van jones show." thank you for watching. peace and love for one another. oh, my goodness. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ my love has come along ♪ my lonely days are over

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