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simple. easy. awesome. click or visit a retail store today. severe punishment. u.s. president donald trump says whoever is behind the disappearance of journalist jamal khashoggi will face consequences. hello and welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world, i'm becky anderson live for you in istanbul in turkey this morning. >> and i'm natalie allen at cnn center in atlanta where we are also following the homecoming of american pastor andrew brunson who had a prayer for president trump after being freed from turkey. we'll have those stories ahead and much more here. you're watching "cnn newsroom."
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u.s. president donald trump says he soon expects to see the evidence turkey claims to have about the disappearance of the saudi journalist jamal khashoggi. he was last seen entering the consulate in is stas buel on october 2nd. they say it had nothing to do with his disappearance. here's what president trump told the cbs news show "60 minutes." >> there's a lot at stake, and maybe especially so because this man was a reporter. there's something -- you'll be surprised to hear me say that. there's something really terrible and disgusting about that if that were the case so we're going to have to see. we're going to get to the bottom of it and there will be severe
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punishment. >> reporter: the president has already ruled out canceling billions of dollars in u.s. arms sales to the saudi kingdom. he said it would only hurt american workers who make those weapons systems. well, for now the fate of jamal khashoggi remains a mystery. so let's take a look at what we do know. first, khashoggi, a frequent critic of saudi arabia, was last seen entering the saudi consulate in turkey on october 2nd. his fiance said he never came out. there are interception of saudi officials want to have him back to saudi arabia and detain him. third, in a horrifying turn, they say they have evidence of khashoggi being questioned, tortured, murdered, all of this inside the consulate.
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that is a source. that is a leak to turkish local media. no evidence of that as of yet. and a turkish pro government newspaper says that audio is said to have been recorded by khashoggi's only apple watch. there have been heavy doses of skepticism and cnn has not been able to confirm it. we have been on this story since the outset. we have it covered from around the region. let's start with you, jomana. what do we know as the very latest from there? >> reporter: well, what we're hearing, becky, from turkish officials is that saudi arabia is not cooperating in this investigation. now keeping in mind they really -- turkish authorities haven't revealed officially on the record where their investigation stands right now. the only thing that they've said is that jamal khashoggi
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disappeared after entering the saudi consulate and that they're looking at a group of 15 saudis, including officials and persons of interest in this investigation. now one key part of the investigation would be entering the consulate and this is something that turkish officials have been saying over the past week. they can't just walk into the convention. they would need to get permission from saudi arabia, from the head of the mission before they're able to go in. earlier in the week we heard the foreign ministry saying they did get the approval from the 15 saudis. we heard yesterday the saudis have not been cooperating. listen to what they have to say. >> translator: particularly, saudi arabia must cooperate for allowing access to the chief prosecutor's office and entering
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the consulate. where did he disappear? there in the consulate. therefore, for the sake of this investigation in order to bring everything into the open they must allow access to the consulate. we haven't seen any collaboration yet. we want to see that. our chief prosecutor needs to enter the consulate and they need to cooperate on this matter. >> reporter: the foreign minister, becky, there speaking out of london on saturday. he also said that their investigation is, quote, getting deeper and also trying to reassure those who are concerned about the establishment of that joint working group after saudi arabia requested it. he's saying that this is not going to impact the turkish investigation, becky. >> sam, you've heard what the turkish authorities are saying. what's been said in riyadh?
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>> reporter: well, becky, the position of the saudis right from the beginning is that the washington post journalist left the consulate safe and sound, although they don't have any cct evidence, for example, to back that up. there is cct evidence of him going in, but the position of the interior minister here, prince abdul a cease is that all and any reporting that suggests otherwise is nothing short a smear campaign. they've talked about the smear campaign being generated by qatar politically across the middle east with saudi arabia and their allies elsewhere in the gulf. this is all becoming very fraught at a time when, for example, the saudi stock exchange is down by 6%.
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already this morning and the united states is talking about not fully committing, i should say, to attending the davos in the desert meetings that were supposed to begin on monday week. pompeo, the secretary of state, hinted -- or didn't hint, he spelled out really that this was still under review pending, i think, what evidence they get from the turks. this is what mr. pompeo said. >> i think we need to continue to evaluate the facts and we'll make that decision. i talked with secretary mnuchin about it last night. we'll be taking a look at it through the rest of the week. >> reporter: now the british secretary of state has also today, becky, talked about a robust response if saudi arabia is found to be behind the disappearance of khashoggi. both the united states and brittain are close allies of
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saudi a raeb yeah. they were very much central to the situation and it's very widely, deeply interwoven both militarily and economically, becky. >> sam kylie is in riyadh, jomana is outside the consulate which is 20 minutes from here in istanbul in turkey. thank you guys. khashoggi's family and friends would have been waking up from his birthday celebration today but instead his fiance writing in a "new york times" op ed on saturday saying, and i quote, today is jamal's birthday. i had invited a party for his birthday. we would have been married. the speculation is not good.
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dread doesn't leave me for a moment. is it true, have they assassinated jamal. an op ed writing by the fiance of jamal khashoggi. we're joined by a senior fellow. the vision is crucial to a country where 2/3 of its population are under the age of 30. this vision to take it into the 21st century, post oil environment. the crown prince absolutely determined, he said, to sweep out sort of corrupttive nature of officials past. he said that was a cancer on the economy. the debt should be called in. that was one thing.
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should there be evidence that he was killed, murdered at this embassy, what does the international community have in its back pocket at this point to wield leverage over riyadh? >> we should say straight off, your colleague just mentioned, this is a strategic relationship between the west and saudi arabia. it will be shaken. it will be rocked like this. it's a deep multi-lateral relationship, multi-dimensional which means that the u.s. and the u.k. and its european partners, this he have significantly reached over saudi arabia.
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the relationship is based on defense sales, is based on oil. saudi arabia needs the united kingdom and the west certainly because iran is right there on the border. there are various ways in which that sort of leverage can be expressed. we're hearing that president trump has talked about severe punishment. the select committee in the u.k. has said measures should be put in place such as downgrading relations. these are points that can be pushed on. ultimately, the relationship itself, we'll sort of survive this, but it needs a recalibration. previously western leaders have been sort of pushing saudi arabia to move very quickly. was always a little bit frustrated that it was a status quo power and moved through
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consensus. mbs has come into power and moved at break neck speed. sorry. >> reporter: these international -- these western leaders do need to be sensible about the way they go about devising policy going forward. i think it would be unfair to suggest it was all a one way street, that nobody needed it, saudi, the gulf, you eluded to counter intelligence sharing, to security. national security interests of the united states in ensuring the aqap, al qaeda and the arabian peninsula are kept at bay. they need these countries to ensure that that happens. so being sensible in not getting involved in what is a very local but important and critical spat that's going on between the likes of qatar, turkey, kuwait,
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saudi arabia. this is very nuanced, very, very messy local politics that have consequences and implication far outside of this region taking a position which basically denounces one side of what is a very messy geopolitical spat here. could be quite dangerous for the future surely. >> well, i think so. there are two dimensions to that. one is absolutely, this is a partnership. the u.s. is not an ally of saudi arabia, it's apart ner. it brings mutual benefits to all sides. it's in their interests to push ahead and find a way in which this can work but at the same time saudi arabia does need that investment, does need the support of the western powers to push ahead with vision 2030. it's a very ambitious program.
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all western con truntries and businesses need to be part and parcel of that. this is one amongst many concerns that person powers certainly share. we can talk about yemen, we can talk about the crisis in qatar. we can talk about canada and harriri. this is a step too far. this is the time for the relationship to be recalibrated and pull back and say, wait, there are red lines here. you do need a green light if you are going to move ahead. this is an unknown saudi arabia and one that most of us are quite uncomfortable with. >> reporter: thank you for your analysis today. natalie, lest we forget a man's life is at stake here. we have no idea at this point, simply no idea, concrete evidence as to what has happened to jamal, but i think just that
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discussion that we've just been having there really provides some context to what is a sort of wider royaling here story of one man, one journalist providing a fulcrum to flush out what is a very difficult, messy situation that is evolving here. >> yes. this man was killed for doing an honest job's work and as we just heard may have been killed for doing honest work and it is his birthday. becky, thank you so much. a u.s. pastor is now back on american soil after being detained in turkey for two years and he's thanking president trump and he's praying for the president. we'll have details next. also, rescue teams race to find possible survivors of hurricane michael. we'll be in one of florida's hardest hit areas here. stay with us, you're watching "cnn newsroom."
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president trump at the white house on saturday. he also thanked the president for helping bring him home. turkey released brunson. for more on his story, here's cnn's sarah westwood. >> reporter: it was a powerful moment at the white house on saturday when president trump welcomed home pastor andrew brunson who had been held in a turkish jail for two years after turkey said that he was part of a coup attempt in 2015. this had become a major source of tension between the u.s. and turkey. trump applied continued economic pressure and applied sanctions to two turkish leaders. all of that cause the the turkish currency to plummet and put turkey's economy into something of a crisis. that precipitated brunson's
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release on friday. the president tauted this as a victory for the u.s. saying that previous administrations wouldn't have been able to free brunson and he took the opportunity in the white house to talk about a separate situation, that's tensions between the u.s. and saudi arabia over the alleged killing of a saudi journalist at the saudi consulate in turkey. trump said the two events had no connection in terms of the timing of brunson's release. trump said that the administration is looking for more information about the disappearance of jamal khashoggi, that journalist, before he decides what kind of punishment to levy against saudi arabia but the moment was lightened by pastor andrew brunson kneeling by the president, placing a hand on his shoulder saying a prayer thanking the president for helping secure his release from turkey. that's something we will likely see the president highlight as he heads into the mid term elections. sarah westwood, cnn, the white
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house. the devastation from hurricane michael is still coming into focus days after ravaged parts of the southeastern united states. authorities say at least 18 people are dead. that number could rise because they're still going and combing through the rubble for people. more than 430,000 people are still without power in seven states. authorities say it can take two months for power to be restored, two months. one of those areas is mexico beach. cnn's martin savage is there. >> reporter: the sun has gone down and another night has set in at mexico beach. once the sun is gone it gets completely dark in this community. only the television lights are what you will see and occasionally the flashing strobe
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it's 12:30 p.m. in istanbul in turkey, and as life continues here in the city, we are two days short of two weeks, the last time that jamal khashoggi was seen alive. u.s. president donald trump says there will be severe punishment if the missing journalist is found to have been murdered inside the saudi consulate here in istanbul but probably not so severe as to cancel a multi-billion dollar arms deal in the works. >> well, there are many other things we can do, but when we take away $110 billion worth of purchases for our country, that hurts our workers, that hurts our factories, that hurts all of our companies. you're talking about 500
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thousand jobs so we do that we're really hurting our country a lot more than we're hurting saudi arabia. they'll go to russia, they'll go to china, they'll make the order. their equipment is nowhere near as good as ours. ours is the best in the world. they'll go to russia, they'll go to china and order the equipment. we're hurting ourselves. we'll do something that hasn't to do with that in my opinion. we don't know the answer. we're looking for the answer. >> reporter: in other words, donald trump sees saudi arabia as much of a customer as an ally. khashoggi's daze disappearance renewed questions about the ties with saudi arabia. christiristina alesci has the questions. >> reporter: saudi arabia has been making donald trump rich for decades.
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>> i get along with them. they buy apartments from me? they spend 40 million, 50 million. i like them. >> reporter: his ties date back to the 1990s. in 1991 under a mountain of debt a saudi prince purchased trump's 281 square foot yacht for the heft at this price of $20 million. ten years later public records show trump sold the 45th floor to the kingdom of saudi arabia for 4.5 milli$4.5 million. in recent years his hotels have be benefitted from saudi business. a saudi lobbying firm paid trump's washington, d.c., hotel more than 270,000 for food and accommodations. trump's manhattan motel saw an increase in rent in 2018 in part
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because of a visit from saudi crown prince mohamed bin sal mad according to a letter obtained by the washington post. in the letter the hotel's general manager wrote bin sal mad didn't stay at the hotel itself. due o our close industry relationships, we were able to accommodate many of the accompanying travelers. overall, however, little is known about the full extent of trump's business relationship with saudi arabia. >> we don't know really very much about his efforts to open other properties in saudi arabia. we don't know who would have financed them or if he could restart them. >> reporter: according to the financial disclosure, trump had 144 registered companies with dealings in more than two dozen countries, eight of them were saudi companies. all of those companies have been dissolved but tonight as cries for the president to take action against saudi arabia grow
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louder, trump's business ties are coming under new scrutiny. >> now of course the larger political question is is this relationship, are these business deals part of the president's consideration when he makes decisions about how to go forward. >> reporter: a spokesperson for the trump organization told me, quote, like many real estate companies we have explored opportunities in many markets. that said we do not have any plans for expansion into saudi arabia. when i asked about the other ties like the ones i included in the report, the condo sales at trump tower, i did not get an answer. cristina alesci, cnn, washington, d.c. >> reporter: i'm joined again by ambassador matthew brizer, the former official covering turkey and he understands the turkey file better than most. you have experience here how the self-professed arch negotiator,
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the u.s. president, has in the past dealt with incredibly sensitive issues, not least of that the release of andrew bronson. i wonder about how your experience and dealing with the u.s. administration might have informed how it acts next in this case. >> that's great question. in my experience, the professionals in the state department and elsewhere in the foreign policy establishment worked very hard to get u.s./turkey relations back on track. in my estimation they had come up with an agreement in the late summ summer, actually mid summer that would have led to the pastor's release along with some other things happening. there was a decision taken by president trump in august to go a different way and to issue some tweets that were threatening towards turkey, impose sanctions as well as
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double the aluminum steel tariffs. that blew up the whole process. that tough negotiating stance actually resulted in the pastor spending a couple more months under house arrest. how does that impact what's going on now? i think a similar thing is probably going on. there are cool headed people in the policy establishment who are trying to think through what the next steps could be. president trump is reluctant for several reasons. he doesn't want to see high gasoline prices before the mid term elections. we'll see some tension between the president and his professionals. >> reporter: the plan for vision 2030 in saudi arabia is a plan for the future of a country which will go forward being less dependent on oil.
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to suggest that this is an existential issue for the saudis, there was no plan b. there doesn't appear to be a plan b. for the benefit of saudi citizens, 60% of whom are under the age of 30, this was a strategy devised to take them and their country into the 21st century and there will be discussions going on around this region certainly with saudi's allies which go something like this. yes, there was a man's life at stake here. yes, we should be pushing for evidence of exactly what has happened to jamal, but when the dust settles, i hate to say this, but when the dust settles on what happened at the saudi consulate here, life will go on to all intents and purposes so far as foreign policy and geo politics are concerned and how -- >> yeah. >> -- what happens now will affect relations going forward is absolutely crucial, isn't it?
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>> yeah. these days are the key moment because of what you said, the geopolitical realities or the internal realities, geopolitical reality for the 2030 plan, we should all want saudi arabia to succeed in liberalizing itself. >> there are national security concerns south of yemen, the aqap. this is not a one-way street. >> yes. >> as some have suggested. >> that's right. nobody should hope for the failure of this reform plan and as i said a moment ago, the saudis are the swing producers of oil and they're producing at the maximum level right now. so, yeah, its leverage works in both directions. i think what ultimately happens is if this case doesn't force some radical shifts in policy now by the united states, it will.
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it will blow over. the dust will settle because of the underlying geopolitical realities. frankly i think washington is playing it the way you would expect. they don't want to jump to any conclusions. they want to make sure if they're doing something to punish saudi arabia, there's a way to defend their actions so the u.s. can explain why they're taking the steps they're taking. that's why they're taking the steps that the minister demanded yesterday is so important. >> matthew, thank you. >> thank you. >> reporter: jamal khashoggi, the woman he was about to marry, has not been silent. she is demanding a full accounting for his whereabouts and an emotional op ed in "the new york times", she wrote, if the allegations are true and he has been murdered, he is already a martyr. she includes, oppression never lasts forever. tyrants eventually pay for their sins.
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when your loved one leaves this world, the other world no longer seems scary or far away. it is being left here all alone without them that is most painful. we continue to dig for more answers on what is going on, what happened here at the saudi consulate. what happens next as far as the geo politics of this case really very, very difficult to tell, becky. >> thank you. thank you to your team for helping us with all of that into this story. winter is approaching along the u.s./mexico border and some 1500 children could be spending it here. cnn tours a shelter for migrant children. that story is coming up here on "cnn newsroom."
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u.s. president donald trump was making a closing pitch to voters on saturday. he rallied in richmond, kentucky, for house republican andy barr. immigration a big theme at the rally. so was the supreme court fight, but with the mid terms only a little more than three weeks away, the president looked back to 2016. >> the vote is in. the polls are closed in kentucky. donald trump is the winner of kentucky. under republican leadership america is booming. it's thriving. in the wake of hurricane michael our thoughts are with our fellow citizens in florida, georgia,
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alabama, north carolina, south carolina, and virginia. they got hit hard. we're going to get along great with china but we're doing things with china and they've dropped about 20 trillion, but you know what, they're going to be just fine but they have to treat us fairly. they have a great team, but we need more of them. we need more republican votes. what crazy radical democrats did to justice kavanaugh is a national disgrace. >> well, there was the president. now to his wife, the first lady is gaining some popularity. melania trump has a 5 4% favorability rating. that is up three points from june. her unfavorable rating has stayed the same, 30%. this poll was taken during mrs. trump's trip to africa, her first solo tour as first lady.
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during that trip melania trump sat down with abc news and in the interview she said she was blindsided by her husband's zero tolerance policy that led to family separations on the u.s. border with mexico. mrs. trump called it unacceptable but said people need to be vetted to get into the u.s. >> i believe in the policies that my husband put together because i believe we need to be very vigilant who is coming to the country. >> do you think people should be able to bring in their mother and their father? >> yes, of course. we need to vet them and know who they are. >> have you told your husband this? >> yes, of course. >> what did he say? >> he agrees. >> the vetting of the immigrants may be creating a backlog along the border. cnn was given a rare look inside a facility set up in texas to house young children and
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teenagers. we report some of the 1500 minors there have been held for more than a month. >> reporter: arriving at a migrant shelter, a bus filled with central american families released from i.c.e. custody. a bus showing shadows of children whose little hands we would eventually see gripping their parents. we agreed not to show their faces as they explained why they came to the united states. this 27-year-old mother tells us games forced her to leave hon do you remember russ, a country plagued with violence. >> reporter: she says the gangs wanted to recruit her son and when she said no they told her she had 15 days to leave the country or they would kill her boy. >> we save them so they don't get released. >> reporter: reuben runs a migrant center. this is an area where they house
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1500 teens who cross the border without a parent. the facility has had to extend its deadline for close and has had to expand. >> we're out of face unfortunately given all of the increase in numbers. >> reporter: so the immigrant advocates we're talking about are telling us they're seeing more children, more families coming in crossing the border and the facilities aren't able to handle them. they don't have enough beds or places to care for them. we're in tornio. we'll go in and ask more questions, find out how many children are in custody and how is the administration now handling this. >> our cameras were not allowed to go inside. the government provided this video. we spent two hours into an investigation of an entire city back there. they have their own firefighters, they have a place to worship and a praise to eat.
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i could see bibles and teddy bears placed on the beds. every indication children are living here. when i went to the barber shop, a young man from el salvador who said he's been here for a month and 11 days. when i asked him why he was here, why he crossed the border alone, he said he was looking for a better life. another young man wanted to get to houston, another to colorado. all eager to be reunited with family. >> i would say there are multiple factors as to why we have this many kids. yes, we have additional protection. that is adding time. >> reporter: the average time for a child to stay in hhs custody, 59 days. the reason they say, more central american children are crossing the border, a 30% increase in just the last two months. the trump administration's zero tolerance policy, it separated about 2600 kids from their parents though most have been
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livid yes here from the vatican on an historic morning. pope francis officially recognizing seven men and women as saints. huge crowd as you can see has gathered at st. peter's square for the ceremony, including many from el salvador. one of the saints is archbishop oscar romero. he was killed in 1980 after speaking out against social injustice in el salvador. also cannonized pope paul vi. delia gallagher joins us from our viewing room to tell us more about the people being honored today. hello, delia. >> reporter: hi, natalie. that's right. it's a day of celebration here at the vatican. the pope has already declared the seven new saints. among them are two women. they were founders of religious orders in germany and in spain.
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also a young boy from naples, a 19-year-old who died of bone cancer and pope francis said he was an example to young people of humility and courage. perhaps the two most well known, pope paul vi, he was pope from 1963 to 1978, a time of great change in the church. he ushered in the catholic church into the new world. he was one of the first popes to begin traveling outside of italy. he traveled to the holy land and the united nations at the time of the vietnam war speaking out against war there. he is somebody who has been very important for pope francis. and archbishop romero from el salvador. he was assassinated while saying mass. in 1980. pope francis is wearing the blood stained belt that oscar
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row harrow was wearing on the day he was killed. he was a voice for the poor and oppress oppressed. you can imagine for pope francis another person to hold up as a martyr and as a hero for our times, natalie. about 70,000 people, as you say, many waited out in the early morning of the hours here to come into the square. queen sophia is here from spain, many dignitaries. the president of italy, the president of el salvador, chile. the day oscar romero is made a saint, particularly for el salvador, is an important day. >> thank you, delia gallagher for us in rome. finally this hour, the rapper kanye west you might recall visited president trump in the oval office this week. and just a few hours ago on the comedy show "saturday night live" actor alec baldwin repriced his impersonation of mr. trump and he brought along
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with him. take a look. >> i vow to welcome kanye west. an amazing guy. thank you for coming, kanye. >> i'm a prisoner in a different dimension. have i lost anyone so far? okay. so i'm going to talk about trap doors. like the 13th amendment is a trapped door. if you are installing a floor, aka, the constitution, why would you build a trap door when you could end up with the unabomber. >> this guy might be goo goo. >> that will do it for us. thank you for watching "cnn newsroom." i'm natalie allen. for u.s. viewers, "new day" is next. for everyone else, stay with us for "african voices." ♪ ♪
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