patriot who sought incremental refo reform in his country. if the murder is true, it is a tragedy for saudi arabia and the world that he was in fact finally muzzled. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. xxx xxx. i'm brian stelt ser and it is time for reliable resource, and the story behind the story, and how the media really works and how the news gets made and how all of kus can make it better. and the reaction of the shocking disappearance of jamal khashoggi, and one of the editors from the washington post is here to talk about the latest. and a dire warning about climate change, but is the press giving the crisis a cold shoulder? and "vanity fair"'s editor comes to the talk about if there is a future in good old fashioned magazines. and here is something that

you probably did not hear. facebook did something great, and they purged thousands of hyp hyperpartisan pages, and facebook said enough. it technically said that it removed the pages because it was engaging in inflammatory behavior. and so good for them trying to make progress, but there is one problem. the president of the united states is the country's biggest promoter of misinformation and he has been in a awfully chatty mood lately and awfully talkative and holding pressers and q&as and chats on air force one. and he called in fox news one day this week and then woke up the next morning and called them again. so the result is pollution in the air and on the air. i wish it weren't the case and

the others weren't working overtime for it. it is usually a good thing for press to have morep access to the president, but with trump, he is saying so many things that are untrue it sows confusion. and so that is what happened the other day this op-ed and that is what "fox and friends" did by putting him on the phone for 46 minutes and not correct iing hi errors. and this is what he has done since monday with the made for tv moment swearing in justice kavanaugh and through a number of interviews with the reporters and calling into fox, et cetera, and the q&as on the lawn of the white house and the pressers continue today with the first sit down with "60 minutes" on inauguration day. and so he is speaking with friendly outlets and promoters of his, but he is also speaking to real journalists who are going to ask him tough questions. l leslie staal's interview is coming up, and more to come in the coming days and obviously a

political strategy at play and the other shows can analyze that, but talk about the journalistic conundrum with this kind of access comes what? here is david duralick, and abba gabby and doug. and gabby, you reported that fox news is no longer showing the trump rallies wall to the wall is a subject to the white house, and what do you know? >> yes, fox news has stopped taking his trump rallies for the duration on weekday evenings and choosing to go with the regularly scheduling programming which has set off a lot of frustration inside of the white house and also with the republican candidates and the campaigns, because they rely on the president's appearance on this national cable networks alongside the candidates to reach the base and to the reach the voters who would support them in the upcoming midterms and now to not have the hour or the hour and a half long programming of the president

talking to fox news viewers and many of whom belong to his base, it is a point of frustration. i was told by a white house source earlier in the week that they are encouraging billshi sh to reach out to the colleagues at fox to the see if there is some compromise that can be made, but we are not sure if there is a deal in the works or trying to get president trump back on and a lot of the prime time hour hosts are frustrated trading in their shows that they plan hours planning each day to cover what he says at every rally. >> and yes, it is going to be upsetting to give up your show every time for these rallies. is that something that trump lp find something else to do.

>> if you know trump, he knows ratings and where he lives and dies. you know arnold schwarzenegger or anybody who does not have ratings as good as him is a loser, so the fact that he realized or was told that he could not avoid the fact that the rallies were on a downward arc in terms of the nielsen popularity, i think that rattled him. i think that he is, we are in the mid-phase now where he is going to try other venues to get time. and you know, it is pathetic almost, brian, to see him sucking up to fox in the last rally last week where he is going, don't you love tucker, and don't you love -- and he is going down the line, and i thought, this is pathetic, that is all he knows, power and fear and fox told him that the ratings are down and we have to go to other programming and now he is sucking up to them. he will be calling in more and go to other venues and like he is using sinclair. he is trying to use sinclair more with boris epstein, the former aide that he has. he is going to him, and instead

of boris' little must-carry bottom line with boris editorials now, they are interviews with trump and senior administration officials. and so he started to do them before the kavanaugh hearing. i saw another one that ran on wjla here in washington where it is the economy is roaring, and it has never been so great, and what is your reaction, mr. president? and that is the interview. so they are running in the news programs on the local stations, and now trump is making himself available to sinclair and people like that. so he is looking for other ways to go. and "60 minutes" -- >> yes, fox news and other interviews and maybe we will put back up on the screen, because he has, doug hai, he is dominating the conversation and this is for president trump to become his own spokesperson and hold his own briefings, but isn't there a risk of him expressing ignorance on some subjects and talking about the

missing journalist, and that he could end up messing something up? >> well, there is nobody in public life who is better than that -- >> and there is no one on the left, and no democrat with half of the star power. >> in oprah win wanted to live in a world of chaos, she could, but donald trump thrives on it, and even if it is negative news, he drives it. and with the kayne west meeting you saw either a complete debacle or you saw it. and everyone saw it, and nobody was talking about nikki haley's resignation within 48 hours and what an important issue that is >> and yes, we were talking about the white house briefings and how they are basically dead and maybe one a month if the press corps is lucky. does it matter that the briefing is going away given that he is so accessible on his own terms. >> it is absolutely important,

because what they may ask sarah huckabee sanders is different than what they would ask the president. it is more of the feedback from the white house, and holding them accountable, and discussion of whether they should be televise and if that is the proper course, and mike curry said that he does not want to see them televised anymore, because it is a show, and welcome to the trump presidency, but we are not getting the accountability on a day-to-day basis from the white house that we need. it should be concerning whether it is this white house or the next one. that is ultimately the issue, and donald trump is changing how all politicians talk, and that is why we are talking about michael avenatti running for president and that would not happen with a president rubio or walker bush or whoever. >> and he also said that he meant it as a metaphor, but that language is changing our politics. and what about the idea that the president when he is speak sog often giving these interviews, there is so much to fact check, david, and i wonder if we are at

the point where the trump viewers are so affixed that they are so numb they are not worried about the fact checking. >> well, i don't know how you could keep up, because the more he is growing exponentially with the presence on tv, and you are right, he has polluted the information ecosystem, and made it almost toxic, and combine h with the troll farm in st. petersburg and the russians and other people, it is a dangerous situation. and listen, trump can go on tv and say something incredibly stupid or horrible in terms of the foreign relations, and it almost does not matter, because he is on to the next thing talking about it, and we are always chasing him. and the only comfort i take in all of this the right now is that a long time ago on the show i said that "apprentice" and everybody said it is a hit, but if you are looking at the ratings arc, it was declining steeply. there is a law that the nielsen

gods giveth, and they taketh, and i think that trump is in decline in terms of the popularity on television, and starting to feel it. that is going to make him even more helter skelter and crazy, and we will get more of it, but the threat to democracy about the kinds of the lies, disinformation that he pumps out there is real, a real danger, and we have to stay vigilant about it and try to fact-check him. >> and gabby, i noticed this tweet from the outspoken critic of the president cornell morris davis, and he said in russia putin controls the state tv, and in america, the state tv network controls trump. that is an exaggeration, but some truth to the idea that the president is so focused on what fox is saying about him, and whether they are showing the rallies that there is an elements of control? >> well, i do certainly think that the absence of the aired rallies for the entire duration has led him to do these kind of

the mainstream interviews and the interview with 60 minutes that is airing today and all of the phone calls that he made into fox news earlier in the week, hand is trying to make up for the loss of coverage that he is so heavily relied on, but to be fair, i also think that a lot of what is happening is that especially at fox news is that the sheer volume of the rallies that he is doing in the last 20, 25 days before the mid-term elections is hard to keep up with. as you said, brian, it is a business decision for a lot of the networks. obviously cnn and msnbc stopped carrying the rallies in full a long time ago, because they decided a that you are giving the president an hour-long television message to deliver to the supporters and fox news seems to be realizing that, and i think that it is a problem. it is going to become a moment where the white house needs to take a step back and rework the strategy in terms of the president trump's messaging. i think that president trump is frustrated by this decision, and the communications drirector bil

shein is frustrated and loft the white house aides are wondering what to do to make sure that the message is reaching potential voters, and even the undecided voters in the last stretch in the midterm elections. >> and one more element in the conversation, and i wonder, doug, what you made of this move, hope hicks, formerly trump's closest aide is joining fox, and meaning fox news and the fox sports and so this is a corporate job, but one of the switches from where shein went to from fox to white house, and hicks going from the white house to fox. >> and is so this is case where you go from lobbyists to higher paid lobbyists, and so there is no surprise when you can see the message backed up everyday on fox. there are marching orders and i can the tell you working in the republican and the congressional offices for the rnc and fox is looked at not marching orders but what the base is saying so

you could react accordingly and more so than put my boss on fox and get in front of the base to talk to them, but what is the base telling us. >> and great reminder. thank you, doug, gabby and david, thank you. and a quick break and lot more news. trump may have been accidentally duped by his friends over at fox news and a joke that may not have landed the right way. and anthony who is from comedy central is going to join me with his take in a few moments. that's why we designed capital one cafes. you can get savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums. and one of america's best savings rates. to top it off, you can open one from anywhere in 5 minutes. this isn't a typical bank. this is banking reimagined. what's in your wallet? tailored recommendations, tax-efficient investing strategies,

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welcome back to "reliable resources resources." i'm brian stelter. and there are nuare stories tha under the radar and don't get any attention and i want to show you one of them and this is an example of what i think is president trump getting duped from fox news. this is "fox and friends" and steve doocy asking about the idea promoted from the right and the left wing protesters against now justice kavanaugh and they were paid protesters and this is how it was framed on fox. >> the president has referred to the people, some of them, as being paid. were they? >> well, on set, because people

have sent me lots of messages that they are waiting for their check. >> okay. that is a joke. it is a bad attempt at a joke, and she was saying the real sincere protesters were now waiting for their checks. and less than an hour later the president tweeted about the quote paid d.c. protesters who are going to protest, pa because they have not gotten their checks, and they weren't paid. and he did not get the joke, and in fact, repeated it later in the day at the rally, and listen to tone, and he was serious about this. >> and you see what is happening, and where they are coming from. you see. and including the phony protesters that got paid -- and now they want to protest because they didn't get paid yet and they want their money. >> this is one of the problems with trump relying on the conservative entertainment like "fox and friends" and he hears a bad joke and repeats as truth

and misleads the followers and we just call that tuesday. and joining me now is anthony who is the host the comedy central's "the president's show" and the "presidential tantrum, and the donald j. trump archi archives." and you have learned a lot by impersonating him and you take him seriously as a figure, and when you see something like that, and the embarrassing moment on "fox and friends" and what does it tell you about the president? >> well, a thank you for having me, brian. i think that he's not a thinker, and so this is a person who is reactive, and so it plugs into something deeper, also. you know, he often reflects the things that he does, and so, this is a man who when he started the run for office and the escalator that rolled around the world, he paid the people to come attend his announcement, and so it is making perfect

sense that he would also believe that people would be paid to protest, because has already done that. >> and they had to hire some actors the fill if room. >> a lot of actors. >> and nothing wrong with that necessarily, but they were paid supporters. >> right, but don't you have -- i don't have any judgment about that, but it is interesting how he betrays his own logic, and the second thing is deeper which is the crisis actor the notion. what we don't acknowledge enough is that the president digests not just fox news, but more radical media elements online. and that he is existing in a matrix where he is nodding at his audience of supporters who believe in things that are radically untrue. so when he is talk about paid protesters, he is also dog whistling to that part of his support group that believes in things such as crisis actors, conspiracy theories, and you know, any sort of belief that the government or the media establishment is somehow trying to undermine or manipulate the

truth that they are being fooled by some large globalist conspiracy. >> yes, the use of language that we are seeing, more and more extreme language targeting the enemies. this is a couple of examples this week with the talk of the angry mobs. >> i need your help this election day november 6th to stop the radical democrat mob in their quest for power. the radical democrats have turned into an angry mob. >> it is really effective propaganda to say angry mob, and angry mob and treat them as evil. you watched all of the rallies while you were preparing to play the president for comedy central, and is the rhetoric more off of the chart thans 2016 campaign and have you seen a change? >> yes, it is evolved, and he is more comfortable, and so there is three stages. the campaign where he discovered that the rallies were this way of ogetting sort of mass love from the audience, but he has contempt for the individuals. like i don't think that he would

ever touch any individual person in the rally. >> come on, he shakes hands. >> but i don't think that he would want to spend more than 30 seconds with that person. if you are watching him -- >> that is mean. >> i don't think it is mean. i think that donald trump is not even being a mean person, but i think that he likes collective love where it is not something that he is connected to, and where it is something that only given to him. and this is the first addictive quality, and then he got into p power and able to undo a lot of his republican base that had to move to him, including all of the senate and the power system, and wh e e -- when he started to work for them, they started to work for him, and he got more confident and this is the outcropping of a man who sees threats at every corner ax, and there is no fight but flight for donald trump, and the next two years are incredibly dangerous if the blue wave breaks on the house for the democrats and breaks for the republicans to the senate which is what is most

likely going to the happen is a split that has not happened since the early 1970s and i think that he is teeing up and keying up a vilification of the left-leaning or the well meaning or the centrist members of the population as enemies of the state. >> and evil. >> and so this is the thing that you can say that i am being mean but this is a person on the daily basis who is vilifying and denigrating people. what he did to dr. ford was abjectly wrong as a person. forget as a president. so we need to the recognize that this is not a thinking person, and this is not a person who has any design, and we are reading tea leaves with him, and what he is doing is like a amoeba and he is striking out wherever there is stimuli, and that is dangerous, because there are organizing factors that will figure out how the push the propaganda and start to vilifying over half of the population. >> you mentioned stimuli, and i wanted to mention kayne west,

and we have 30 seconds left, and i wanted to ask you about the moment in the oval office, serious or funny or sad? >> well, sad in two ways. sad to watch the display happen, and i don't want to get into the psychology on this, because that is not my job, but i believe he is pretty ignorant, and i will say that, and the distraction that we all take the distraction and a saudi journalist who was most likely murdered or at least disappeared, and we have a hurricane that has taken out a lot of the panhandle, and real problems in the country, and we keep focusing on the things that are really unimportant. >> and your next special is on comedy scentral october 22 bd, and we will continue to talk about the hurricane and the missing journalist. >> thank you, brian. >> and we will take a break and we have the editorial editor of the washington post standing by. fred hiyatt has been working wih jamal khashoggi for the last year as he has been writing columns for the washington post,

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increasingly under threat in many parts of the world n. this cas case, but it is connected to so many concerns of the trump administration, and trump's infatuation with the authoritarians and the controversial policy moves and keep in mind that his son-in-law jared kushner has ties to the saudi crown prince, and also tie s of corruption with saudi arabia's ties to saudi arabia and something that he has bragged about in the past. so there are a lot of moving parts here and pieces to the story which is partly why it is continuing to draw attention 12 days after khashoggi's disappearance. and while the washington post is demanding answers, many have pulled out of a high profile conference in saudi arabia, cnn and "the new york times" and others were set to be media sponsors later at a conference and they will no longer parti participate. there is lots to it, and we will talk about it with fred wyatt who is the editorial page editor

for the washington post. khashoggi has been writing papers there, and fred, i know that this is feeling like a mystery, but somebody out there does know what happened that day in the consulate. >> yes, that is right. it is a mystery, but like most mysteries, it could be easily solved. i mean, as you said, chances seem to be slipping as long as there is a one percent chance that he is alive, we will talk about him in the present tense, but what we know for a fact is that he entered the saudi consulate tuesday, 12 days ago, and he has not come out. all of the talk of the investigations and wait for the facts to come out, no. the burden of proof is on saudi arabia or should be, and this is what president trump should be saying. jamal entered that consulate, and he did not come out. where is he? you said that he completed the paperwork and walked out, fine. let's see the paperwork and the video of him walking out. it is a mystery that somebody knows the answer to.

>> did the media get suckered when the u.s. went on this media trip, and then the fawning profiles of the new crown pri e prince, and were we all fooled? >> i think that when the crown prince took over and started talking about wanting to bring reform, it was legitimate for the media and for others to, you know, to give it a chance and see what happened. we at the washington post haven't lost our focus on the bad things that have been happening in saudi arabia long before jamal's disappearance, including things like the imprisonment and the lashing of ryief badawi who was trying to express himself, and the kidnapping of the lebanese prime minister, and the imprisonment of women activists advocating for the right to drive.

so we have been writing about these things, and then at the same time, we have been saying you have to report what is going to happen. but i think that even for people who wanted to give mbs the benefit of the doubt, this has to be a watershed moment. if the reports are true, a crime of an entirely different caliber, and it should not be possible for anybody to go back to business as usual. >> to lure somebody to a consulate to dismember the body and to take it back to saudi. it is a crime of a different caliber. i wonder if you look at what has happened in the last 12 day, and you wonder if enemy of the people rhetoric, and not just from president trump, but from other world leaders has anything to do with this, anything at all. >> you know, i think that in a case like this, it is important on the actual crime to keep

focused on the actual criminal. the washington post, we are very focused saying that we have to get the facts and then there has to be accountability and there has to be consequences. i think that there is a larger picture which is also fair to look at which is that dictators around the world feel emboldened when you have putin reaching out the britain to poison his enemies, and when you have china reaching out to hong kong and elsewhere to kidnap people they perceive to to be their enemies and in each case the supposed enemies are peaceful, you know, people who have done absolutely nothing wrong, you have to ask why is this happening. i do think that it is happening in part because the united states is retreating from the traditional role as a leader in the world, and standing oup for the democratic values and including freedom of expression. so that is all true, and brian,

you are right it is part of the big picture, but it is also crucial to say where is jamal? that is a single crime. it has criminals who are responsible, and let's focus on finding them and holding them accountable. >> fred, thank you very much for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> and president trump for his part says that he is especially concerned about this crime because it involves a journalist, and this is what he said to leslie staal in an interview that will air tonight on "60 minutes." >> there is a lot at stake, and maybe especially so because this man was a reporter. there is something, and you will be surprised to me hear me say that, but there is something re really terrible and disgusting about that if it were the case. so we will have to see. we will get to the bottom of it, and there going to be severe punishment. >> and joining me is a contributing editor the at "the atlantic" and a senior fellow at the brookings institution and a

project with the public relations with the islamic center and the centers of economic policy. and now he has been taking questions from reporters and now promising severe consequences, and saudi arabia is firing back and warning him against that today and what is your current read of trump's treatment of this issue? >> well, it is good to see trump taking a stronger line, and some of the initial responses were concerning where it didn't seem like he was going to take human rights and democracy seriously in this context and kind of falling back on this reliance on authoritarian regimes which is kind of trump's approach to the middle east, and so he is vowing severe punishment, and with that said, he is also saying that he doesn't have the interest in halting the u.s. arms sales to saudi arabia and that a main point of leverage and so it is raising the question what does severe punishment actually look

like. so it is up to us watching the case is trump going to live up to some of the stronger rhetoric, but it is clear that he is, the saudis feel more and more under pressure. there is an official statement coming from saudi arabia where they vowed greater action against in response to any action taken gaiagainst them an imimplicit -- implicitly threatening to use their control of the oil market. so it is ramping up. >> and am i cynical of trump saying that we don't know what happened, and we don't know yet, a san diego he trying to kick the can down the road and waiting for people to move on to the next story or am i cynical? >> no, that is the likely possibility, and the saudis are go ing the hope that people move on and that trump is going to be consumed with other thing, and also, you know, i think that fred made a good point earlier that trump has emboldened and

empowered autocrats, and so they don't take anything seriously when it comes to human rights, and what is different about this case is that they are almost in a sense, the saudis in a sense taunting trump, because trump has given them deference and supportive of them and for the saudis to respond to kind of respond in this way, and almost like disrespecting trump by putting him in this compromising si situation that he, trump made a big bet on this young crown prince, and now, now he is seeming to be reckless and braise braisen in the activities the crown prince in the region. >> and what about that? what about the media's role? i saw emma ashford on twitter saying that the most depressing part of this whole affair is that it took the death of a western connected journalist to make people care about the saudi atrocities in yemen about the

atr atrocities to have people care. is she right, shadi? >> the war in yemen is an utter disaster and one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes in decades and it is not getting as much attention as it should. and last year, the saudis in effect kidnapped the lebanese prime minister and detained him and put pressure on him to resign as prime minister, and that is a case which at the time gotten maybe one day of headlines and then people forgot about it, because it seemed complicated, but what is striking about this is that it is something that people can latch on to, because it is a human being, and maybe, maybe we can complain and say, well, what about the thousands of people in yemen, but this is human -- the human connection matters in this story. and the fact that jamal khashoggi is someone who wrote with great clarity, and he became, and he became a strong voice and con ssistent voice fo

human rights, and he was really putting himself in danger, and now we see how he was putting himself in danger, but this is someone who went to self-imposed exile. he moved to the u.s. in 2017. he gave up a lot to be able to speak critically about his country and the regime that it was taking his country in the dangerous direction. >> shadi, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> we will stay on top of this throughout the the day and the week here on cnn. coming up the biggest story that we are not covering so much on the same week that hurricane michael wrecked the florida panhandle, a shocking new u.n. are report came out about climate change. how do we ensure there is sustained coverage of this crisis? ly talk to the an expert next.

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but then what happens? >> well, the coverage of climate change has dropped out, because the media is thinking of the climate change as a r story for the science section or the environment section and reports that come out that get reported by the media, and then it drops off of the diet of the average american. >> and so not sustained attention. >> there is not sustained attention it to. >> how do we get there? >> the irony is that the media is reporting stories about climate change everyday. and everyday stories about drought, wildfires, typhoons and hurricanes, about heat, about all sorts of effects and very often the stories will appear without the media even mentioning climate change once. so the idea is not necessarily to do more discrete stories on climate change, but to actually mention the climate change in the stories that the media is already reporting, because in fact, it is part of the story, and that is the context for the stories and right now the media is silent on that context. >> snl talked about the u.n. report last night, and this is a

taste of the joke. >> the story that has been stress m stressing me out all week, why don't i care about this? >> there is a fair immediamedia critique in this that they care about this stuff, and then they find a way not the care about it. >> and most people won't care if you only hear about it once. this is a terrifying statistic, and the percentage of americans who hear about climate change once a week in the media diet is about 12%. >> so most people really aren't hearing about this. >> 80% of americans don't hear about climate change even once a week in media diets, and so they don't the realize that in fact, it is a tremendous problem that we have to ed a are dress right now. it is already affecting us, and it is already hurting people, and already killing people, and we have so little time to transition away from the fossil fuel use into a clean energy system so that the media needs to be report on this so that people can be inform and so that

they can make the proper consumer decisions, and the political decisions that they might want to make a democracy to lead us into a safe future for our children. >> and so this needs to be front and center in the political debates in the midterms and 2020. great to see you. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> and quick break here, and one of the first editors with the new editor of "van fi fair" and also a e reminder before break, coming up tonight on cnn, a anthony bourdain's impact. was tony a journalist? he said no, but his friend and report says yes. a special "parts unknown" is tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. with fidelity wealth management you get straightforward advice, tailored recommendations, tax-efficient investing strategies, and a dedicated advisor

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how does a magazine that's been around for over 100 years grab someone's attention? a part of the answer is on the

cover. a t ratika jones was named the editor-in-chief and she's been trying to break the magazine's old habits. which ones? i asked her at their new establishment summit in los angeles. >> to me there's something about the potency of a magazine cover because it's the sort of made object but it travels peopl s m through the world in ways we don't expect and i've been very struck since i took the reins at "vanity fair" that you can make a moment out of a magazine cover and it's not just "vanity fair." a lot are making their moments. it feels like a vital time to be in the business. >> it's been nearly a year since you took the reins. what did that first day feel like taking over for graydon cart carter? >> it was -- i made a valiant effort to keep a diary because i

read tina brown's "vanity fair" diaries and i felt it was incumbent on me to write my version but it was so busy i lost it after a few hours. i had knowledge of the brand but from the outside. when you come to a place like that you want to learn from the people who have been there. you want to learn what the traditions are and what the habits are that maybe could stand to be brokeen >> habits that need to be broken. what do you mean? >> it's subjective but i have become a bit of a work flow nerd and i'm used to editing digitally and my sense because grayden very generously left me a mug full of sharpened pencils that s that everyone was more analog. everyone has their preferences but you have to figure out a way

to be efficient and productive so we've made thing mrs. streamlined and digital in terms of how we work. >> one of your reporters said that "vanity fair" is now woke, from your choice of cover subjects to feature. is that right? >> it feels a little more complex. >> what are you trying to say? >> i want it do feel timely and relevant. people are hungry for new faces and voices and it's been heartening to hear people are surprised by our cover choices across the board because i think having that sense -- being able to create that sense in an audience is like ooh, i wonder what they'll do next, that's exciting. that means people are paying attention. that's a wrap on this week

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