nightmare for many of its citizens, finally maybe waking up. to what? time will tell. /s how do we make a show that looks completely different than the show we did last week? it's nice if you really, really liked last week's show. but i'm not going to do that one again. certainty is my enemy. i'm all about doubt. i started doing this late in life. i can't say that i'm evolving or maturing or doing anything differently. same dick i was 13 years ago. ♪ ♪

♪ sha, la, la, la, la, la, ♪ sha, la, la, la, la, la, ♪ sha, la, la, la, la, la, ♪ sha, la, la, la, la, ♪ >> what do you think you did? in terms of the impact on television, it's so multifaceted. >> sure. i think that prior to tony on television, food, tv, such as it was, and travel tv such as it was, were both essentially service based. it was very top down. there was an expert showing you what to do when you're in an unfamiliar situation. i don't know how to make this. here's how you do it. i don't know what to do when i'm there. here's what you do. here's what everybody does.

but i wish more often was specificity. take me to a place. show me that real place. she me what motivates people. ♪ ♪ >> people travel with him. you were sitting on your couch in your home, but you were with him where he went. >> he would be overseas in the far east one week, then make in the bronx the next week. or in miami the next week. >> he wasn't worried about protecting a boxed image of who he was. he's like, i'm going to put myself in this experience and it's going to be what it is. >> i perceived him a little like indiana jones. >> he could be on the road in a t-shirt, having a beer. or in a kitchen talking to the line cooks. and then he could come home and put on a suit and tie and be a man about town, giving a tribute speech to his publisher. he cleaned up good. but he was also really comfortable out in the wild.

>> you see a man step foot into the world, kind of shaky at first, kind of unsure, increasing in confidence in who he is as he's buffeted by a larger world full of doubt, full of ambiguity, full of questions, full of unknowable things and reacting accordingly. ♪ ♪ >> i would describe myself as a lucky cook who gets to tell stories. and i think any other -- i'm certainly not a journalist. i'm not a chef any more. i'd like to flatter myself by saying i'm an essayist, but i'm a story teller. i see stuff. i talk about that. i talk about how it made me feel at the time. i think that's the best -- if you can do that honestly, that's the best you can hope for, i think.

♪ ♪ i don't feel i'm capable of going back and having an intelligent conversation about my experience. i'm all messed up emotionally. >> when you get close to something, you understand it. you don't understand what's going on. when you're far from it, it seems kind of sober. when you go into it, it doesn't make any sense. it means that you've really been here. >> it is close to apocalyptic. it's like a science fiction film. what the hell happened here? >> it is post-apocalyptic, except for the fact there's 700,000 people living here. >> conventional wisdom starts to be -- why are you still here? >> because the need is in camden. every decent person in camden leaves camden, then we never have a chance. >> you're going to stay? >> i'm not going anywhere. my pop-pop didn't leave. i'm not leaving. >> this is our realism. this is our realism.

just to protect my children and my wife. >> 20 years, 30 years. things seem to be better? >> 20 years -- now, next year -- ♪ ♪ >> to me, i really feel a strong need to forgive and then forget, and then move on. >> you used to be a tour guide? >> yes. >> you have to bring people over to the american war museum. in your lifetime, is it going to be a time when that's not going to have to be a stop? no one will remember, or should people always remember? >> i think it's good to remember. and i think it's good that -- it's important to know about history.

and to make sure it's never happen again. >> in conversations that i had with him, i'm a&m journalist, it's funny because i am a journalist and i work with and live with another journalist and spend a lot of time with journalists. and going and talking to people, telling stories, hearing people's stories that illuminate a place, if that's not journalism, i'm really not sure what is. >> how often do you get to sneak out for a beer? >> very rarely. first of all, i don't get to sneak out period. >> the beauty of tv to me is that it is a cumulative medium. it's a serialized storytelling. every emotional moment we get to in season four of a show is earned. it's built on the back of everything that came before. there was a comfort level there. we knew each other.

he knew he could push us. we knew that he would try to push us. >> people felt like they knew him. they felt like if they met him, he would look out for them. that sounds weird, but i think that's how people felt about him. they felt like he was in their corner. they felt like he was a force for good. they felt like his heart was in the right place. like he was willing to stick his neck out for people. >> he was honest about anything he saw, not too sensitive, too positive or negative. that's important and that's why many people connect because they see talking about -- even the word he throws. can you say that on tv? he was like -- >> what's the perception of mr. putin these days after 14 years he's in power? >> my perception? >> your personal -- >> do you really want to hear it? >> i'm not sure, but let's see. >> a former mid-level manager in a large corporation, short, i think that's very important.

short, who has found himself master of the universe. and like a lot of short people, if you purse them off, bad things happen to you. he likes to take his shirt off a lot. he is a businessman. a businessman with an ego. >> okay, so he's like donald trump. >> but shorter. >> increasingly the show became about the world around him and the frame outside of where he was standing. and i think he really understood the real power in his position was getting the cameras to the place in the first place so that he could turn them around, so that he could put the people who otherwise would never be on camera on camera. so he could put the cultures and the traditions that have never been seen before on camera. so he could show us something, not just show us him seeing something. >> you have a very highly educated public, one of the most literate on earth. >> that's funny.

we are getting a set back, we are behind concerning stuff. most of all, only the official media, the official newspaper. if even it comes, and i think the government is trying to -- if that comes, many things will change. even if we have access to different points of view. and i don't think our government runs that. >> a lot of things happen in a lot of different parts of the country. sort of simultaneously, amazing all these people came together very fast. >> how did it happen? >> yeah, easy. twitter. it was really like that. >> yes, we send so much information via twitter. >> did anyone think it was mobil in your lifetime they were going to send the end of -- most people tell me they never dream -- >> i don't know if you can call them dreams, hopes, wishes. it was just something in the sky. something i look at every night. but when it hit that point, and

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i eat a lot of meals. i'm told about 400 per shooting season off and on camera. many of those meals are good. many are really bad. many are memorable for reasons good and bad. a few are epic, truly epic. but they do come along probably with more regularity in my life than yours. and i will goad about that on instagram whenever possible, by the way. ♪ ♪

funny, yet those are -- you're totally sending me every one of those pictures right away. >> look at that, this style of dish goes back long before cameras, but it's perfect. is there a more perfect assortment of colors, textures? everything great about cooking is encapsulated in this dish. >> one of the ugliest dishes are the most delicious. >> like eating out of an open wound. >> frogds with garlic. >> that's the stomach of the cow. unrecognizable, hot or both. >> i'll tell you some of the best i've ever had. they're not just delicious, they're luxurious. >> what can you do to make it perfect? >> there's no improving this dish. >> nobody talk, only eat. >> you put far more on the table than anyone can conceivably eat. >> you don't like your guest, you don't put anything.

>> look, i've eaten a lot of great restaurants around the world and there was still a little part of me that was saying, you know, this is going to be bull shut. the guy is out on the field yanking weeds out of the ground. i really didn't expect it to be as good as it was. it was delicious. it was amazingly delicious. >> what's fascinating to me as somebody who first knew about tony when his first successful book, "kitchen confidential" came out, i thought of him as a chef. it had been years since he was a chef. kitchen confidential, the subtitle under belly, under belly is a bit of a dark word, but that's sort of what his shows were. he gave you the full 360 experience of this stuff. what was its history, what went into making it, what made it great. and his descriptive powers were so great that even though you as a viewer -- this is the great flaw i think in any food television -- can't taste what you're watching, he could convey

what it tasted like. or smelled like, or what it evoked in him. and that i think was kind of the magic of it. >> it was sweet, sweet memories of this shank of cured pork boiled and boiled until it literally falls away from the bone, steaming and moist. the symphony of meat and gelatin and good, good stuff. god is hiding in there somewhere. >> some things just shouldn't change. >> i'm here to feed myself. roast bone marrow with parsley and caper salad. >> thank you, yes. it's say simple good thing, but one of the most influential dishes like in the last 20 years. as i become older, i've noticed the food that i yearn for, the food that i react to in an entirely emotional way. um, oh, man. wow.

now, is there an appropriate way to attack this or does one go at it from an angle? >> if you were a coward you would go from the corner. >> well, i'm a manley man. >> so you go in the middle. >> all right. >> for somebody who does what i do, write about chefs for people who are chefs, tony was as cool as they came. it was that classic line, everybody wants to be him. he was a cool guy. he could write. he was natural on television, a chef swagger. that's -- i mean, that started in some ways with tony. or he epitomized that. confident, smart, super computer brain that could spit out these incredible witty things. but he would go to these places, and he would evidence, i think, an incredible humility. he was genuinely curious. he wasn't trying to teach them. he wasn't trying to show off. >> how long does that broth have to simmer to get good? >> an hour. >> wow, really? i would have guessed like 14 hours.

i want to see how much you put in there. >> you have to make it look really red in there. has to be blood red. >> nice burning feeling on my lips. people have put on earth for various purposes. i was put on earth to do this, these noodles right here. at the end of a long night, decisions good and bad, friends, old and new, and nights spent playing or a night spent working, all across the world, wherever cooks stumble out of work late, there is a place like this. >> gentlemen. >> nice to see you. >> it's a city that never sleeps, 24-hour, right? >> this place is very democratic. everybody comes. taxi drivers, hookers, and cooks. >> why is it that cookers and cooks are always welcome at the same place? same social standing.

>> i'm ready, i am hungry. i've had nothing to eat all day. >> i am starving. >> i think tony's appreciation for sort of the rank and file members of the kitchen team was always there. it was something that i think he felt very profoundly. i think what he took from that profession was real curiosity and a sincere love of food. you know, somebody once said to me, great food is an adventure. and i think that's where the beginnings of what he transitioned into came from. >> i mean, if you don't like food, if you're not interested in food, it's really a problem. it's a relationship nonstarter. it's like someone saying, i don't like music. conversation is kind of over. but i mean, i'll always look at

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the noisy streets. but look just a little bit longer, a little bit deeper, and you'll see it's not so different here. from anywhere really. >> it's incredible thinking back how fearless he was. he went to cnn, which is a network that travels all over the world and goes into war zones. he saw that, i think, as a challenge. and he was not afraid to ask uncomfortable questions, go to uncomfortable places, poke at uncomfortable scabs. that's kind of amazing, you know, to -- as you grow more comfortable in station, to become more eager to engage in uncomfortable truths and uncomfortable situations and uncomfortable questions. you would think it would go in the opposite direction, but with tony, it never did.

>> iran, finally. i've been trying to get in this country five years now. it's been the big blank spot on my things to do list. ♪ ♪ iran i've seen on tv and read about in the papers, it's a much bigger picture. let's put it this way. it's complicated. and i think it's going to shock the hell out of you. ♪ ♪ >> people couldn't believe it. iranians in iran and iranian

americans were genuinely really happy and appreciative that he would come and do this show there in a place like iran, where visitors from abroad, and especially visitors from america, are few and far between. it matters. as print journalists, our job is difficult but it's also kind of easy because there's so much to write about. you know, the difficult part is convincing people on the other side of the world that what we're telling you we're seeing in front of our eyes is actually there. when you walk down the street, you see a different side of things. people are proud. the culture is vibrant. people have a lot to say. >> jason is a washington post correspondent for iran. his wife and a fellow journalist works for the u.a.e.-based newspaper, the national. jason is iranian american. she is a full iranian citizen. this is their city, tehran. the official attitude

towards fun in general seems to be ever shifting. is fun even a good idea? >> there's a lot of security. there's lots of rules. there are a lot of people in place to make sure you do the right thing and not do the wrong thing. but a lot of push and pull, a lot of give and take. when i first started coming here, you wouldn't hear pop music in a restaurant. >> it's everywhere. >> it's he everywhere now. >> we have police, they arrest girls or women for not having a hijab or not being covered enough. it's not that we live with the police in our head, you know? ♪ ♪

>> i was brought up with the experience of being on a show just a few weeks previous to our arrest. and i said, look, this thing is coming. it's not going to play out well for you. >> at some point towards the end, my interrogator brought a picture. who is this guy? is he your dad? no, he's i really don't know him. no? well, this is a very famous guy if you are interested in traveling, food, da-da-da, you should watch his show. but he told me, there was nothing in your conversation with him about food. no, we discussed a little bit of rice and fish and things like that. but it was mostly cultural topics, social life, things like that. and he said, so it's going to be another punch in our face. no, no, no, it's not going to be like that. he's not that kind of guy. he's going to tell the truth no matter what it is. and interestingly, i remember i told him about one discussion we

had with tony, because at some point we talked about the situation of women in iran. >> one of the first things that people will say when you say, i'm going to iran. but don't they make women do this, this, this, this? actually, not so much, not as much as our -- compare and contrast, women aren't allowed to drive in saudi arabia. >> that's right. >> or vote. >> you can drive, you can vote. >> of course. my sister is an accountant. she has her own company. girls are allowed to do almost everything, except we want to go and watch football -- >> can't go watch football? >> we cannot. >> women's issues are often at the spear point of change or possible change here. on one hand, prevailing conservative attitudes demand certain things. on the other hand, iranian women are famously assertive,

opinionated. it's a striking difference from almost everywhere else in the region. so why are we so friendly with the saudis again? >> great question, it's a really good question. >> i'm happy that you ask that question. ♪ ♪ >> i told the story to my interrogator. okay, sounds like a good conversation. so he likes -- he likes iranians. he likes iran. so that was kind of convincing. i was able to cool things off. >> you like it, are you happy here? >> look, i love it and i hate it, you know? but it's home. it's become home. >> are you optimistic about the future? >> yeah, especially if there's no clear deal finally happens, yeah.

very much actually. >> let's assume the worst. let's assume you cannot see anyway to reconcile what you think of iran with your own personal beliefs. you just generally don't approve. >> yeah. >> i think those are exactly the sort of places you should go, see where you're talking about, what we're talking about here. >> it's almost unamerican not to go to those places, you know? >> i don't know that i can put it in any kind of perspective. i feel deeply conflicted, deeply confusing, exhilarating, heart breaking, beautiful place. >> yeah, exactly.

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>> i think i see clams, don't understand this purging thing. there was a purging thing, juice cleanses. hang out on this show for a while. i feel good. my crew, clean as a whistle. minuteual water would come out. crystal clear. there's no fault of the fine cuisine here, by the way. i'm convinced it was the shiny ham at the hotel buffet. you warn them, you warn them, do they listen? potentially lethal mistake this morning. i did something i never knew. i ate a western breakfast at the hotel. i'm feeling it already. how do you do this and be a good person? >> i don't think you can. if you wanted to do this regularly the rest of your life, i would like to spend three months out of the year in a hammock looking out at the caribbean in a secluded beach like this.

you have to do bad things to do this, right? do you feel guilty eating this well is this >> i do. >> you do? >> i do. >> i'm feeling guilty now, but it will pass. >> guilt keeps coming back. you keep bringing up the guilt. >> right. i feel guilty. >> use the showers. what are you doing here if you feel so guilty about it? >> i know. i feel guilty, but i'm not feeling guilty. >> -- >> right. >> if you have a film crew and a network willing to send you places, chase the things that interest you. if you're going to go to japan for the 19th time on someone else's dime, make it about tentacle porn. that's cool. teach us something we don't know or haven't seen before, because why not? contrary to what some critics may say, it's important to me that we saw him work the system sometimes. >> you couldn't actually show humans penetrating each other. >> so i invented tentacles to be evasive.

>> how big is the said o sadomasochistic community? i wouldn't do that, but i'm interested in investigating. >> can you smoke it? >> i can't compare and contrast because i've tried them all one after the other. i'm trying to be respectful of a five-century religious tradition here. >> i'm not sure about the teeth. this is the necklace ones. >> i'm trying to think of the circumstances you can wear that around your neck. ♪ ♪ >> no, it can't be over, not

yet. >> there is a gleeful air of tony on some level, but a little tire some after awhile. there were stories he went back to again and again. there were punching bags he could not resist pung muching again and again. but i think every one of us was willing to put up with them because one of the pleasures of watching the show over time and watching him was watching the punching bags transform into people and watching those people turn into friends. one of the more fascinating aspects was the friendship. there was a feeling of inferiority. >> you rip your ideas off of small businessmen? >> and, in fact, ra pairs turns out to be this goofy kind guy who doesn't mind being the butt of it, literally everyone's jokes. who saw that coming. do you have a pizza experience? >> never eat a pizza in my life. >> look at this line.

i'm digging around with your insane perfectionism. >> he's new, i can't do anything with him. >> you thought you were going to -- >> you'll look cool. >> wish me bad luck. >> new york city i just think you should look proper. your ability to drink leads to a number of assumptions about you, you know. your general manleyness, penis size, your worth as a human being. >> i'm comfortable with my size. ♪ ♪ >> not all the time. >> oh! >> my jacket. >> oh, yeah, blame your jacket. there you go. >> usa. >> never seen him so happy. >> we got to see that on television, and they weren't really shy about hiding that.

it was goofy and he made ra pair eat chiles until he wept. it came from a place of love and affection that is rarely captured on television and will be hard to replace. >> i feel more comfortable if you hadn't had two portions of eggs. >> this is amazing. >> eric is a buddhist with really good solid, you know, values, like i've never seen him wish ill on another human being. he really does live up to his buddhist faith. it's rather incredible he can be friends with me. i know it's caused him problems at times. everyone who appears on television should be so lucky as to have an eric ra pair in their life, and thank god he's got a sense of humor because when he makes television with me, he's always going to need it.

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the beauty of making so many episodes and traveling so many times and revisiting so many times is that there is always more to see. there is a large story and then there is a small story. and if you peek inside that small story, there are a thousand more stories. the willingness to let those stories be told and find the right story tellers for each one of those was incredibly impactful. ♪ >> on the one hand they are this perfect expression of a guy who had very strong tastes. he has very good taste in a lot

of things, not just food and felt very strongly clearly about expressing that in the show. there was no bullshit. if you wanted that certain type of music you would get that musician to play that type of music. if you wanted stylistic relevance, i'm sure he would make everyone on the crew watch 100 times until they got it right. that has value in itself. what he did with that reference is purpose. what he taught me about working class cinema and the absolutely inexpressible connection between an artist and a place, that's much more meaningful than just dropping a loose reference. it's a beautiful package to trojan horse some other thought inside of it. ♪ ♪

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it angers me to see a place like, you know, detroit, a great american city that's failed, or allowed to fail. to see new orleans post-katrina makes me angry. to see camden, new jersey, in my own state that i grew up in, it makes me angry. yes, there's a lot of scary, ugly stuff in it. but there is much more, i still think. beauty and kindness and humor, and people doing the best they can in often very difficult situations. it is a magnificent planet filled with fascinating and, more often than not, beautiful people. where's that sandwich? >> andy: i've been thinking about this a lot recently. this is a man who travelled the world -- what was it? 200 days a year or more.

at this point every place he went he had dozens if not hundreds of people that considered him a good friend. and he made every single person feel like he was their friend for the time that they were together. that boggles my mind. >> jason: we get recognized from being on that show. and when i say restaurants i'm talking about greasy spoons all the way up to fine-dining establishments. people come over to the table and they say, "did we see you on bourdain's show?" "yeah, that was us." sometimes we don't have to pay for the meal. >> andrew: there's a million of these tony bourdain stories out there of just how decent and how nice and accessible he was to everybody. but the idea that he could feel self-conscious, or he could feel humbled, or he could feel unable to form a sentence, again, i think that's how most people felt around him. >> jason: and i think that iranians have that experience of feeling like, "hey, this guy saw

the value of us." obviously people in africa have that experience. people that work in kitchens have that experience. >> andy: i don't know how he did it. i will never know how he did it. the ability to walk into any room in any country in the world and appear to be at ease, at least at ease without overcompensation, without overconfidence, and to make others feel that ease. to be able to break bread with anybody, to have a toast with almost anybody. >> anthony: to victory, ruhlman, victory in our time. don't be afraid. my first turbo. cheers! oh, yeah! just like old times. >> andy: i think that's probably the best way to understand tony bourdain on television is that he was not only the host of these shows, but he really was the ultimate guest. >> anthony: just because i'm a bit of a dick, i have to ask this question. ah, okay.

well, i hope the food's good at this thing. >> andy: it's so important to tony's mission to remember that to eat the food of the world, you don't have to have a lot of frequent flier miles. you don't have to have a lot of money. >> yegi: tony's a part of history, everywhere's history, every nation's history. >> act exis of evil. we're not the axis of evil. just normal evil like everybody else. >> anthony: you're a guy who at various points of life has pretty much, one way or another has been able to have a lot of things that ordinary people would never have. you've had many, many adventures. >> i know. >> given that, what thrills you? >> iggy: the nicest stuff right now -- this is very embarrassing, this is really embarrassing -- being loved. and actually appreciating the people that are giving that to me.

>> ofeibea: and i guess that's what we all want as human beings. isn't it? to be loved, to be cherished. >> anthony: this is anthony bourdain, cnn, good night, and eat more spam. ♪ is this your kid? is this your kid? is this you? never before in human history have we ever been so connected. so why do we feel so out of touch? >> you're walking down the hall and people aren't even talking to each other. they're just sitting there on their phones. >> a generation raised on smartphones is facing a mental health crisis.