but if it's blue or purple, democr have the advantage, anders three weeks from tomorrow. >> all right. john, we'll be with you a lot. thanks very much. remind don't miss "full circle on facebook. you get to pick the stories we cover. can yo see it week nights at 6:25 e news continues. want to hand it over to chris. "cuomo prime time" starts right now. >> thank you anderson. saudi arabia may be changing the sketch story on the missing journa why should we buy this one. and when i say we, i mean you and me. the president is fine with whatev his pal the king tells him y does he take the saudi king's word at face value and says let's take a measured respon when it comes to his own standa of proof back home, i'll show you a shocking contra so shocking that congress may have to act for him.

ben sass has a story about what the problem is and how we can make it better. elizab warren took a dna test to prove her heritage. did she clear anything up? did she help her chances in 2020? the white house says nope. it's junk science. and speaking of junk, another big hole blown in the bs that is the government saying it's trying to do right by those kids on the border. 5-year persuaded to do someth you will not believe. there is plenty to test, my friend let's after it. >> cnn has multiple sources saying that saudi arabia is prepar to acknowledge that jamal khashoggi was killed during a botched interrogatio they will further claim that his interr was only supposed to lead to his abduction from turkey and that those involved

will be held responsible. let's discuss this with nebraska republ senator ben sass. good to have you here. author of a new book "them: why we hate each other and how to heal." this is something that has to be discus not just tonight. my pledge, there is a lot in this book. can't get to it all. matter in a continuatio conver come back senator. it's going to play in the things you ha to deal with. in fact, it does tonight. good to have you. we'll talk about the book specif but let's talk about connecting the in terms of how we get along and why we don't. the saudis have given us no proof to believe the theory that the president seems to be promot i want to put the words in your mouth. after spoke to the king, he starte making public statements about what might have happened and this was the theory he was forwar >> the king firmly denied knowle of it. he didn't really know. i don't want to get into his

mind, but it sounded to me like maybe he could have been rogue killer who knows? we're going try to get to the bottom of it very soon. but his was a flat denial. >> judiciary committee, arms serviccommittee. i mean you deal with what states have t of this proof on differ situations. do you feel the same level of confid that the president does right now? he says he didn't do it. could have been other guys. >> yeah. i think the saudis got a proble they have a lot they need to explai i want to be clear about my intell versus the presid the president sees a lot more than i do. so i got a briefing on this the end of last week. and wh saudi arabia has re problems. i think marco rubio said it well. the ambassador -- the journalist goes into the embassy and he doesn' come out. and one of two things happen. he's in there still alive or he's killed by people that with are in there and there's a punch of people that have knowledge of that inside the saudi family and we need to get to the bottom of.

that i don't think rogue actors is a good enough explanation. >> god willing you're right, we're wrong, he is still alive. where the reporting is pointing us i hope is not true. but in terms of what you do aboutit, even if you were to accept the king's explanation as we currently expect it to be, does that make it okay? hey, listen, we didn't mean to murder him. i killed him while we were interr him. and really, i just to interr him and bring him back home. is any of that okay? >> none of that is good enough. the middle east is a mess and a punch of different ways. and it originates in a bunch of source one of the simplest ways that nebras make sense of it. irania a source of the chaos. the iranians want chaos. and the saudis that sometimes are on the side of long term princi we care about and other times they'rnot. and there are a bunch of boll czys we have to debate. first you have to start at the level of principle.

what do we agree on. what do we believe about the long term of human rights and what do you believe about human dignit right saudis are not articu >> he gives 120 days. at this point, if they say, yeah, we were right. that's what it was. some guys went too far, we'll deal w it. do you think the senate will make this the moment that they say, no, something's going to happen if the white house doesn't trigge it, we will. >> i think in general the legisl supposed to be the place where all long term thinki happens for the u.s. govern and the administration is suppos to be executing polici that are set by the congress because t most accountable to the people. the one carveout from that is on short term national security issues you ne president and admini to lead. a number of us want to he ambass bolton and hear a long term view about the saudi relati i thin lots of stuff has to be on the table. >> he had would let you act unilat now let's get closer to the book. that was like on the outer limits of the orbit of this

piece of work. now you get into it closer which is how we're dealing with one anothe and why we're dealing with an us versus them. that came up in the interview yester i don't think the president saw it this way. he was talking about kavanaugh. and lesley stahl was picking at him about you happy with this? you happy with the way this went? here's what he said. >> had i not made that speech we would not have won. i was just saying she didn't seem to know anything. >> no. >> and you're trying to destroy a life of a man that has been extrao >> seem to be saying that she lied. >> you no he what? i'm not going to get into it becaus we won. it doesn't matter. we won. >> do agree with that? >> the we are the american people need to win 10 and 20 and 30 years in the future which is we should have a sense of basic civics what the judiciary for? why do confirmatio hearings get uglier and uglier. the first bork hearing started going side ways and we've done

hatfie and mccoys for 32 straig years. the american people are going to win when we have a shared sense of wha the judiciary is for. i voted to confirm brett kavana i ended up being on the side of believ he should be confir to the court. becaus the entire process, look, happy to come back to that, but the entire process for that month was a circus. it didn't serve anybody well. it did the ford family well. it didn't serve the kavanaugh family well. it doesn't serve our kids well unders how we should be delibe100%. the process is never about gettin to the bottom of the allegations which would have helped them. but if you are ever in a situat that and you knew you didn't do it, you don't know what happened to the woman making the allegation, but you know it wasn't you, you didn't do it, you would invite all kind of scrutiny. let's get in here. i want my name back. the process didn't allow for. that the judge didn't push for that. but the president's language, i made this speech, you know he tore her down in that speech. you know the speech that we're

talkin where he was making things up about what she said and denigrating where she pain. and he said if i hadn't done it, we wouldn't have won. is it worth it? would you do a speech tearing somebo down who is coming forwar as a victim if you knew it would get you the political victor you want? >> i went to the floor. i said that the president should have done. that the me too movement doesn't belong to republicans. it doesn't belong to democrats. the me too movement belongs to women who will are coming forwar and saying there is someth right in our cultur of sexual assault and sexual violence in this country. and so when we respond to it in a rally kind of situation, it doesn' facilitate the kind of long term deliberation we need about rights of the accuser to come forward. but also about the rights of accuse there bunch of due process issues we have to sort through. a rally environment is not the right way to debate these things >> this book started off, they'r going to be satisfied. then they're going to start readin book and unsati then if they keep reading,

they'l be satisfied once again. here's why. you ar not throwing meat at anybod this book. you're saying, look, easy to blame trump for everything. blame trump for everything. he symptom at iblg of t that matter the most. the us and the them is deeper than people want to let on and excusi it on the outward manife of politics is cheape the problem. what is the root? >> well said. so political -- >> i got it from the book. you're really complimenting yourse >> political travelism is rampin our time. it isn't the core source of our proble the problem is people are trying to use political tribes to fill a vak chcu the things that make people sim nm lif are simple, do you have a tight family? do you have deep friendships? do you have meaningful work? do you have a meaningful worshi community? all of those inputs tend to be local. do you where your neighborhood is thick and text toured and meaningful and durabl and can last for a long

time? when those things are collapsing which is happening in the digita revolution, people are lookin for tribes. we're meant to do stuff togeth it's going create more output. but it is undermining ways that we didn't have to deal with. >> so politics are filling a vacuum and it help nl it's not about finding good versus evil. and too many people are trying to find good versus evil in politi >> you see it in what people are willin to forgive if they follow trump. you see what they' forgiv because the identity is so important. let's do this, senator. there is so much in this book. and people going to read it now and start getting digested. come back. you're always invited on the show to talk about what matters. but there are solutions i here that once people start to digest what it's about, come back. let's talk about how you think we can fix it. how you can get through it. it's not pollyannish stuff. you ha real applications. you're welcome to talk about it. we can't keep doing this.

>> we got to do better. >> shoulders are strong. not strong enough to cover this area. >> 20 years and 14 thought the other party was evil. >> i'm surprised it's not higher to be hobbenest with you. you heard the senator and i talkin there is a differ between how the presid regards what is told to him by a putin or a salmon or a kim jong-un and then how he decide to treat speculation when it helps him back here at home. presid trump's impulse is to take word of some people not the word of others. why is this? i have an examination of stark contra you next. ( ♪ ) ready to juvéderm it? correct age-related volume loss in cheeks with juvéderm voluma xc,

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the president's take on saudi arabia and the murder you had or suspected murder o a "washington post" journalist. >> i just spoke with the king of saudi arabia. i've asked that he firmly denied that. >> the king denied it. look at the language. firmly denied any knowledge of it. that's the only fact that matter as far as trump seems tto be concerned. doesn' matter the evidence or the reports that n damming even govern itself may be ready to change its story in saudi

arabia that this was an interrogation. they did have something to do with it and it went wrong. but the king said it wasn't them. and that's enough for trump. why? becaus when you look at trump's track record, you see he often gets ahead of the facts. right? berthe rememb that? launch his political career some say. he later admitted it was bogus. the voter fraud commission they put together with your tax money came back empty. and angry democrats are the ones runnin the mueller probe even though rosen stestei mueller, o way or another, his choice. and then, of course, the cen park five. guilty dna evidence cleared them. now, compare that to what we've seen from trump time and time

again. wh it comes to strong men around the world. men like putin. >> i believe that president putin really feels, and he feels strong that he did not meddle in election. >> sound familiar? same way he was just talking about the saudi king. and then you have king jong un. >> he wrote me beautiful letter and th great letters. we fell in love. >> a man whose government found withou parallel when it comes to stu like xerm ination, tortur listen to me. what if we see, what do we see here? if trump likes you, or if he fears you, then he's going to say, all right, i'll take his word. let's go slow. the case of brett kavanaugh, roy moore, bob porter.

they deny it, i'm good with them. if they confirm what he wants you to think, then he's happy to get ahe had hf the truth, to believ nobody and anybody that says different tha wants true. his relationship with the facts means that he's often strong when he should be soft and soft when he needs to stand strong. now, another example. polka hohn ta% pol pocaha the name etched in our brains about elizabeth warren works so well at rallies. here's a question for you. warren did a dna test. did she just change the game? did he really pledge to pay her a million dollars? guess got answers to all of it. we know this is all about 2020. what do you say? perfec stuff for a next.

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>> if she gets the nomination where i was going have her tested i'll only do it if i can test her personally. that will not be something i enjoy doing either. >> oh, no. of cou said it. of cou you owe the money. there were no such caveats. such a beautiful window for you guys into how he dealt with a lot of business agreements throug the years. i know because i'v investigated him lo before i was at cnn. so has warren disarmed the presid favorite line of attack or did she make it worse? let's ask our great debaters. ken, i'll start with you on this. we both know that this is the trump of old. that guy wouldn't pay anything on a contract unless you absolu had to. and he's putting in conditions here that never existed. should he have owned, look, i don't like the numbers. i don't think she is really native-american. he could have said any of that. but he said what he said, right? >> yeah.

well, and, of course, she goes from folk ahantas to nokahantas. she made this an issue years ago. let's not blame anyone else but senato warren. it's ridiculous. and as cherokees are saying today, they're offended by it. so she is gloming on to their histor and it's ludicrous. what president said, you know, million dollars to charit i mean that's, you know, almost like a common bluster sort of thing that he says. and i -- >> that makes it okay. >> let's flip it. if she was a republican, you know, the rest of the mainstream know, the rest of the mainstream media would be cruise fiing h instea their coming to her defens and talking about the presid comments. if would be about what senator

warren said. >> ken, good point but too soon, my brother. too soon. here's why. that is the problem for you guys. she took the dna test. it seemed to be that this was a way of getting the pocahantas thing out of the way. put the test out there. now she can move forward. i don't think does it that for her. i don't think that the standard of wha was found in there is going to be satisfying to people and i read the cherokee nation's statem on it. but that's just going to be one point of feedback. do you think she helps herself by doing this or made herself look vulnerable? >> i think that this is such a nonsto except for the fact that p of the united states once again is always out there calling people names so much so that she's actually got to jump through the hoop of taking some test to being able to prove she has some small amount of native-american blood. she didn't claim to be part of a tribe. she said it was part of her family heritage.

so that's been proven. i don't think if that test came back with 100% native-american herita it wouldn't satisfy the president. >> would it sat mit would have e i would force him show to tasay you i don't think the her th >> wha be the percentage is acceptable? is there any percentage that is ever acceptable to the president to have him pay $1 million? this is a man that doesn't pay taxes. he's not going to pay on a bet. he's a welcher. and it's a ridiculous thing that we're even wasting the valuable real e time that you have on cab tv with all due respec talkin this. maybe it's the president and ho. there is nothing respectful about that. i don't necessarily disagree. i'm trying to do it differently. it's not going to be about cruise fi trump. what i'm saying is that it works both ways.

i don't think this test helps her in terms of what came out about it. it's better than they're having been absolutely no trace of anythi ever. but on the other side, she's used it to help herself, you saw the reporting that was done. and at harvard law, if you ask me four employers about that the positi she had, nobody ever considit. she never put forward that she was native-american as a way of helpin herself get a job. that's not fair either. fair point? ken? >> well, i mean, she has talked about it. no. i don't just accept that at face value. >> put the full screen up. >> she didn't put it forward. >> it actually matters is if she's going to consider being a 2020 candidate. it isn't republicans that matter it's democrats that matter. it's what a democrat based voters think about this? that's really the hurdle.

>> that tl is nothing about this story that is going to cause democr to move in another direct ken. you know, with respect you to, that point is ridiculous. >> i didn't challenge it one way or another. i just threw it out there for democr voters. >> this is a donald trump talkin point at a rally. he's not going to stop saying it. he's going to continue to say it. she will have put it behind her and her mind she will have demons to her voters that, yes, there was something to this story in her family tree. there was a small amount of native blood. that's all she is saying. it's more than that. you don't need to make a huge big deal about it. she hasn't used it to benefit hersel >> that part, i think is demons true. what i saying is, look, here's how i see this situation. i tee it up for you guys. this is us versus them. is what best in terms of rhetoric. he did it so many times just in the 60 minutes interview. you know, did you hear what he said when he was talking about ford and the kavanaugh

situat how he answered lesleystahl? she was on him a little bit. so he says, look, if i didn't give that speech about her, where just dragged her throug the mud in a way that we know doesn't help everybody else that we want to come forward and tell the truth about what happen them. if i didn't give that speech, ken, we wouldn't have won. who is we? who is we? is it a one sided victory when you appoint a new supreme cou justic nominee? it's not about me and whether or not i win as a citizen. and my kids? and the generation of jurisp that's going to come down. it's really just about saying what he had to say that's not h about you are okay with that? >> that's not how he's talking about it. if you're the president and nomina somebody, i agree with your p on that. i mean but he -- and he owned it. you know, i nominated thisguy. if he gets through, i win. if he doesn't, i lose. >> but you didn't own that he dragge her through the mud and it was wrong. he says the opposite. he said it was right because it helped me win. it was right to drag her down becaus it helped me win. you're okay with that?

>> well, look, chris, one of the unfort -- no i'm not okay with the ends justify the means type politics. and that has become commonplace. and that's not a good thing. and unfortunately, i think that it's become much more accepted and, frankly, defended even in the media that the ends are what matter and so we end up with politics like we have today. do i think that's a good thing? no, i don't. i don't think trump owns that. i think that was going on long before donald trump began his rise in 2015. and there are a lot of influence onz th influe that in both partie i thin a long way off from that. >> last word. >> well, i was just going to say, i think this largely is driven by the guy at the top who is, you know, calling people names, gas lighting them. and telling people in america things are simply not true. i know we don't have time to

talk about it. i really wanted to get to the climat change comment he made last night on that lesley stahl interv where he said it's not man made. when even his own -- >> he said exactly that. he said something is happening. i don't think we did it. and i think it's going to change back. and he can't find any reputable scienc back that up. nobody who knows what they're talkin in any kind of community would ec but that's what he put out. there talk about it anothe all right. very good. i promise you, ken, there to take it on. jennif >> and me too! >> i don't know. you took a shot at the show. i'm kidding. you'll both be back. thank you very muc i'll b senator warren colleagues in the senate fellow democrat chris cooms. would very taken a dna test to prove the president wrong? would he like to see a warren matchup in 2020? the tough questions for chris coo cooms many people living with diabetes

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massac took a dna test. it turns out there is some native blood somewhere from six to ten generations back in her lineage. so is that good enough for trump? of cou not. >> no. what about the money. >> she owes the country an apolog >> warren's colleague in the senate is chris cooms. he is also a member of the

foreig relations committee. he joins us now. democr from delaware. senato pleasure. >> great to be with you again, chris. what a striking day it's been in terms of so many different develo from jamal khasho disappearance and likely murder at the hands of the saudis and the dna test you refere i think it's strik got hi start in politics by challe president obama's citize his birtherism, where once it was proven, of course that president obama was in fact born in hawaii in the unitedstates, trump really did not ever concede that he'd been wrong all along. i frankly think this is just anothe episode where although the president very publicly said he wou pay a million dollars to his first charity if she took a dna test. she's it. she put to rest his i think juveni offensive and inappr suggestions using his nickname for her that

someho she didn't know her own family history. i think it's best for everybody if we move on here and recognize that this is just another episod beneath the presid >> you no he what? i agree. jamal khashoggi. hopefu god willing we're all wrong. he's alive you some where. but if the cnn reporting is right and the saudis adjust their story as anticipated that he was in fact killed and using the word killed instead of murder right, they're trying to say it was an accident during an interrogatio questi number one, what if everyt they're saying is true and just like the president parrot for his friend the king today, it was rogue actors. they w just trying to take him and bring him back. they k an interr it wasn't supposed to go that way. is any of that okay to you as a senato that signed on for this?. and as you referenced, 20 member of the senate foreign relati committee and an equal number of republicans and democr signed a letter to

presid trump starting the 120-da process under the global act under which he has to determ what happened and recomm the impositions of sancti if he finds a violat of human rights. of course, chris, it's not okay. for the saudis to send a team to the turkish -- to consul in turkey, whether it whats to kidnap and interrogate a journalist or whether it was with the intention of killing him, either way, they bear the respon for an interr whether it was intend lead to his death or intend simply lead to his kidnap either of those count as fundam violation of human rights under the global act. and it is something that i think we in the senate should take a strong stand here. if president trump won't send a strang sn% strong that the united states values like protec human rights and journaahead of our intere such as arms deals with the saudis, then the senate should step forward and do it.

lo look, we'll have to figure out what you want to do. i know the media is pushing the presid and pushing you guys, what are you going do? that's not my question. my question is when will you do? becaus as you learn things, then you act. and my question about that proces is how measured the presid is here. how willing he was to accept this king's denial. when it came to birtherism, he knew that was bs. we gre up in the same place. i know him for many years. i know when his nose is tweaked fwhing that's make sense and when it doesn't. he forwarded it because it was good for him. but when it's puti he didmeddle. he really believed. he really believed it. what is it? about the president.

they voted illegal. he'll say it without any hesita no basis at all. why such a difference, senator? it weakens us when he seems more eager to stand up to our close and valued allies just justin trudea in canada or angela merkel in germany and to embrace or excuse or believe dictators like kim jong-un or the philip putin in russia or in this case nbs or the king of saudi arabia or the crown prince if this proves true that they direct ordered a kidnapping and murder of a journalist, an americ resident, a critic of the saudi royal family at times, then that would be the latest in a disturbing line of incidents where it may be that our own president's statem callin press the enemy of the people, made the suggestion

to the saudis that they could do someth like this and get away with it. so here is an opportunity for presid trump to step forward in the tradition of republican presid like ronald reagan and show that we do put hume rights first. that something that both republ and democratic presid taken strong effort and decisive actions to show the world that we don't just lead with our interests. we also more importantly at times lead with our values. >> well that, would be good. but we're coming off a interview where the president said last night, hey listen. lesley was pushing him about the speech he gave about profesford. look, you know, i said what i had to say, basically. if i didn't give that speech, we wouldn have won with kavana how do feel about that? well, t approa to politics i think is a dangerous. the reasons people do get into public service or politics which

is not to win at all cost but to win based on principle. i mean he also in that same interv chris in answering the questi what sort of action will you take against the saudis if these allegations are true. he cited $110 billion in defense contra first that's just wrong on the facts. that got 4 pin ofourfrankly, re large contracts might be in matter of principle of values, we have to weigh them very heavil and at times put them in front of sort of narrow or short term econom interests for the countr becaus what america stands for that distinguishes us from other countr is that we will put our values at the head of the line of our national interests. >> senator cooms, always welcome on the show to talk about what matter to the american people. apprec it. all right.

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so a picture is worth 1,000 words, right? well, i have a picture that may be worth even more than that. this is actually hanging in the white house. this picture was in the backgr during part of the backgr during part of the presid"60 minutes int interv it shows him surrounded by republ presidents sitting across from honest abe and nixon, teddy roosevelt, reagan, both bushes and originals gather around him as the center. i want to bring in don lemon. and, don, i -- >> i was thinking -- >> i was thinking -- >> i fix yalt drink drinkihere. he is not a big taker of the booze and everyone else is drinki something of a more adult beverage nature. >> except ronald reagan. reagan has a fruity drink.

his father was an alcoholic and he said nixon had a glass of whine >> and george w. has a coke also. because he is recovering right? what i did think of? you know, it's -- the president looks fit. i've never seen him that thin even when he was a young man. but all portraits are -- he sai he wanted to flatter every single one of the presidents. he did one with president obama. and that is flattering. but also, i mean, come on. even our photograph here, like - look a that. >> yeah? when was that, 1987? >> no, it wasn't. >> you look so young and your hair was real then. >> my hair -- >> look at thhandsome guy. >> let hobbenest for a second. you're a good looking man. i would say nothing of. that but you honest will i tell the audience right now that your hair isn't colored in that photo? don't it off. put him back on tv. >> i swear to you my hair is not colore you are sure?

>> here's the thing -- >> yes. it's not -- the photo, i don't know what they do. i had that much hair. >> they do something. i'm looking at your head right now. >> tha is shorte and i'm older. this is 2015. had the flu and i pounds so that was 15 pounds ago in three years. i think that evert the ph painting is perfec obviou the president didn't paint it. he likes it and puts it on the wall. the main thing that i'm sure he took away from it, he is the center of attention. of everyone's attention. there is even more light on him. >> yeah. >> in the photo than everything else. >> even more so than the democr picture. yes. and it's obvious. it looks like he and lincoln are having a, you know, the conver and everything is center around them. i think the one who's look -- well, are two who look realis to me and that is george w. bush and i think nixon. i think they -- no, i'm sorry. >> they all look good. whoeve did this picture other than trying to do trump a favor

with the slimming did a nice job. i like teddy roosevelt. i like the sleeves rolled up. >> do you like camilla harris in the background? >> who is that? >> there is a woman in the backgr who is supposed to be the next president -- >> are you zooming in? >> but when every reaction i've had, i even had the critic on, a pulitz winning -- that's a woman next to the president. i'm not saying kamala harris is going to be the next president. the art critic had the same reaction that i did to that photo. i was like, who is that? he said at first, i thought it was -- i'm going to be the art critic on, pulitzer prize winning one who had the same reaction i did. >> very interesting. although this segment was crushed by the fact you lied about your hair in that photo. >> no, chris, it's all mine. i don't know whatthy d they did it. i have hair. >> they colored your hair in the photo. they retouched it. >> oh, my gosh. listen, we're going to have the art critic on. >> yes.

>> also katie couric going to be on tonight. katie says that sarah palin, she's going to tell me what sarah palin got right, wa youha you're going to hear at the top of the hour. >> d. lemon, nice tease. >> see you. nice hair. a story i could not believe this weekend. in fact, i spent a lot of my weekend trying to disprove it. why? i kovnt believe that my government would allow a 5-year-old to sign away her rights in this kcountry. i couldn't believe it. the truth and how it fits into something that you need to acknowledge, next. (whispers) with the capital one venture card... you'll earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day... not just "airline purchases". think about all the double miles you could be earning... (loud) holy moley that's a lot of miles!!! shhhhh! ♪ what's in your wallet?

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all right. full admission. i could not believe what i'm about to tell you. i wanted it to be fake. but this is what it looks like. this is a waiver of rights signed by a child. i wish i could tell you that kids are home from the border,

and that the policy has changed, but that would be a damn lie because this has been an exercise in deception from the start. the argument, trump's executive order in june, he said, i'm doing this to stop the separations. remember? i told you then, and now, that was bs. just look at the title. affording congress an opportunity to address family separation. it was always on congress. he was never going to stop anything. he never did anything. why? because this is always what he wanted. and now, the policy is the same way it always was for all practical effect. then they said they were fixing it and the dhs secretary said this. >> this administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border. >> yet, these documents, please put them up, show an obvious effort to develop a policy of separating kids. why? because it was never about just enforcing the law.

it was always about sending a message. listen to the president, please. >> frankly, when you don't do separate -- when you allow the parents to stay together, okay, when you allow that, then what happens is people are going to pour into our country. >> so you're going to go back to that? >> well, we're looking at a lot of things. >> stop saying he was just enforcing the law and he doesn't want it to be this way. he does. it's by design. they're finding more ways to do it because he likes the message. you just heard it. be harsh. it will keep them away. so now they have to admit they're considering a new family separation policy because they've always want ed to be on this page. you come illegally with a kid, get two choices, stay together up to 20 days and the parent has to make a decision or whatever the guardian is. option one, stay with the child for month and years as they wait for the case to be heard. option two, allow the kids to be

taken into government custody. basically forcing the family to split up. tea these are people seeking asylum, not just an illegal alien entrant. they're asking for asylum. you build your wall, they'll be people standing next it it saying, help me, let me come in. you still have to deal with it. some will be fake. what about those who aren't? that's why lady liberty cringes at this. now more proof of how preposterous it. i can't believe it. this document signed by a 5-year-old, her name is helen. she's an asylum seeker from honduras. this is helen, too, in a photo reminiscent of a mugshot. she fled from her home with her grandmother and teenage uncle after gangs threatened their life. the plan, meet up with helen's mom in texas. helen never came to meet hthem. you know why? someone handed the 5-year-old this document, a request for a flores bond hearing. it has a lot of legalese about being a danger to the community

and the suit nability of sponso. not exactly good night moon. but basically, she had a right to see a judge and she signed the right away. it's smart to say i withdraw my previous request for a flores bond hearing. smart for a 5-year-old. now the "new yorker" did this story but i learned something else today. on the link, there's a second page to this document. the first one is shocking enough with the kid's signature. i get why they went for that. but that second page, i have it here, look it up on the link, in fact, i'll put it on twitter, you'll get the link. this page, it says parent or guardian, the lawyer working pro bono for the family told me that, i checked it out, that's how i got the page. who signed it? a government employeed signed it. works for the same department that was processing helen. was appointed as her guardian. that's some guardian. i'll tell you who it wasn't. any of the people listed for helen that the government could have reached out to. why didn't they reach out? because they're not looking to

make it easy. they're not looking to be fair. even to asylum seekers. they want them to get the hell away, stay away. fear coming this way ever again. don't look to us in these situations. helen's back with her family after two months. she got a party. princess themed. pizza. like a typical kid. now, she cries, also typical of kids in her situation because she thinks her family might disappear in the night and they might. we can enforce the law and not do this. not to kids. not to anybody. we can respect the constitution and still have compassion. but more and more, i don't think that president trump wants that. he wants what he says he wants. he wants the harshness and the agencies involved are doing things like this that seem to make good on yet another signature promise. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts right now. >> the separation anxiety is real. with kids. and it's sad now because i can't

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