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rural, republicans are up. republicans are starting to think we feel better about the leaning seats in rural areas. democrats feel good about suburbs. zoom in quickly here in virginia. we'll know on election night. democrats need to take the closed in suburbs. the districts have some rural. that is the tug of war. republicans because of the rural numbers the president travels lately feel better about the seats in red areas. but if it's blue or purple, democrats have the advantage. three weeks from tomorrow. >> all right. thank you very much. a reminder don't miss full circle. on facebook. you can see it weeknights at 6:25 p.m. eastern. news continues i want to hand it over to chris. cuomo "prime time" starts now. >> thank you, anderson. welcome to "prime time." saudi arabia maybe changing its sketchy story on the missing journalist. why should we buy this one?
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by we, i mean you and me. the president seems fine with whatever his pal the king tells him. why does he take the saudi king word at face value? and says let's take a measured response. with any strong man. when it comes to his own standard of proof back home, i will show you a shocking contrast. so shocking that congress may have to act for him. we have republican senator ben sass here. a book about what the problem really is. and how we can make it better. it's another senator in the news as well. elizabeth warren took a dna test to prove her heritage. did she clear anything up? did she help her chances in 2020? the white house says nope it's junk science. another big hole blown in the bs the government saying it's trying to do right by the kids on the border. a five year-old persuaded to do something you will not believe.
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there's plenty to test. let's get after it. all right. cnn has multiple sources say saudi arabia is preparing to acknowledge jamal khashoggi was killed. during a botched interrogation. they will further claim khashoggi interrogation was only supposed to lead to his abduction from turkey and those involved will be held responsible. let's discuss. with nebraska republican senator ben sass. good to have you. author of a new book, them. why we hate each other. and how to heal. this is something that has to be discussed. not just tonight. my pleasure. there's a lot in the book. can't get to it all. matter in a continuing conversation. come back, senator. it will play into things you have to deal with. it does tonight. it's good to have you. we'll talk about the book. let's talk about connecting the dots in terms how we get along and why we don't. the saudis have given us no
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proof to believe the theory that the president seems to be promoting. i want to put the words in your mouth. after he spoke to the king, he started making public statements about what might have been happened. this was the theory. >> the king firmly denies any knowledge of it. he didn't really know. maybe i don't want to get into his mind. it sounded to me like maybe the these could have been rogue killers. who knows. we'll try getting to the bottom of it. his was a flat denial. >> judiciary committee. armed services committee. you deal with what states offer up as proof in situations. do you feel the same level of confidence that the president does? he says he didn't do it. could have been other guys. >> i think the saudis got a problem. a lot they need to explain. i want to be clear about my intelligence vs. the president. the president sees more than i
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do. so i have to brief on this end of last week. what i saw is saudi arabia has real problems. rubio said it well. the ambassador the journalist goes into the embassy and he doesn't come out. and one of two things happened. he's in there still live. or killed by people in there. and people have knowledge of that inside the saudi family. and we need to get to the bottom of it. right now i don't think rogue actors is a good enough explanation. >> god willing he's still alive. the way the reporting is pointing us is i hope is not true. in terms of what you do about it, even if you were to accept the kings explanation as we currently expect it to be, does that make it okay? listen, we didn't mean to murder him. i killed him while we were interrogating him. i wanted to interrogate him and bring him home. is that okay? >> it's not good enough. the middle east is a mess in a
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bunch of ways. the simple way i think nebraska and try to make sense of the midlt east is you have iranian sources of chaos. and the saudis that sometimes are on the side of long term principles we care about and other times they're not. there are policies we have to debate. first start at the level of principle about what do we agree on. what do you believe about human rights and press freedom. the saudis aren't articulating what we need to hear. >> magnitsky gives 120 days. do you think this senate will make this the moment they say no, something will happen. if the white house doesn't trigger, we will. >> in general the legislation is supposed to be the place with long term thinking happens. and the administration is supposed to be executing policies set by the congress. the congress is accountable to the people.
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the one carve out is on short term national security issues. a number will want to hear from bolton. and hear of long term view about the saudi relationship. lots of stuff has to be on the table. this is a big deal. >> obviously concurrent with the statute. then, now let's get to your book. that was on the outer limits of the orbit of the piece of work. now you get into it closer. which is how we're dealing with one another and dealing with us versus them. that came up in the interview. i don't think the president saw it this way. he was talking about kavanaugh. are you happy with this? here's what he said. >> had i not made that speech, we wouldn't have won. i was saying she didn't seem to know anything. and tried to destroy a life of a man who has been extraordinary. >> you seem to be saying, that she lied. >> you know what, i won't get
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into it. we won. it doesn't matter. >> you agree with that? >> the we that are the american people. need to win ten and 20 and 30 years in the future. which is we should have a sense of basic civics. what the judiciary for. why do the hearings get uglier and uglier. we're 32 years since the 1980s and the first hearing started going sideways. the american people are going to win when we have a shared sense of what the judiciary is for. i voted to confirm kavanaugh. i looked for 150 hours at the evidence. i believed he should be confirmed. but the entire process for that month was a circus. it didn't serve anybody well. it didn't serve the ford family. getting death threats. didn't serve our kids well understanding how to deliberate
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about these things. >> 100%. the process was never about getting to the bottom of the allegations. which would have helped him. you know it wasn't you, you didn't do it. you would invite all kind of scrutiny. i want my name back. i want cleared. the process didn't allow that. the judge didn't push for that. the president language, i made that speech. he tore her down in the speech. the speech we're talking about. he was making things up about what she said and denigrating where he was coming from. if i hadn't done it, we wouldn't have won. is this worth it? would you do a speech tearing somebody down. who was coming forward as a victim if it gave you a political victory. >> i went to the floor and said the president shouldn't have done that. the me too movement doesn't belong to republicans or democrats. it belongs to women coming forward and saying there's something not right in the culture of sexual assault.
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when we respond to it in a rallying situation, it doesn't facility the long term deliberation we need about the right of the accuser to come forward. and the rights of the accused. there's due process issues we have to sort through. the rally is not the right way. >> this book, it will start off they will be satisfied. and start reading this and be unsatisfied. if they keep reading they will be satisfied again. he's why. you are not throwing meat at anybody in the book. you're saying it's easy to blame trump. he's symptomic of the things that matter the most. the disconnection the us and the them. is deeper than people want to let on. and excusing it on the out ward manifestation of politics is cheapening the problem. what's the root? >> political trouble -- thanks for reading. political trouble is rampant in the time. it isn't the core source of the problem. the problem is people are trying to use political tribes to fill
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a vacuum. the things that make people happy in life are actually relatively simple. do you have a tight family? friendships? meaningful work. all of those core inputs to the happiness equation are local. do you live in a place where your neighborhood is meaningful and will last. when those things are happening which is happening. people look for alternate tribes. we're social beings. we're meant to do stuff together. the digital revolution is under mining place. politics are filling a vacuum. it's not healthy. politics should be about building good roads. it's not about finding good vs. evil. too many people are trying to find it in politics. >> and what people are willing to forgive. because the identity has become
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so important. let's do this. there's so much in the book. people will read it and get digested. come back. you're always invited on the show to talk about what matters. there's solutions in here. that once people digest what it's about. come back. we'll talk about how you think we can fix it. it's not -- you have real practical applications. we can't keep doing this. shoulders are strong. not strong enough to cover this. >> 20 years only 14% of americans thought the other party was evil. it's tripled in 20 years. >> surprised it's not higher. thanks, senator. there's a difference. between how the president regards what is told to him by a putin. or salman. or kim jong un. and how he decides to treat speculation when it helps him at home. president trumps impulse is to take the word of some people not
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saudi arabia. i have asked any firmly denied that. >> the king denied it. look at the language. firmly denied any knowledge of it. that's the only fact that matters as far as trump seems to be concerned. doesn't matter who the evidence is. or the reports that now appear to be damming. even that the government itself maybe ready to change its story. and saudi arabia. that this was an interrogation. they did have something to do with it and it went wrong. the king said it wasn't them. that's enough for trump. why? because when you look at trumps track record you see he often gets ahead of the facts. right? birtherism. launched his political career. he later admitted it was bogus. that didn't come easy. millions voted illegally. they were illegal and latin. remember that? his voter fraud commission they put together.
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with u.s. tax money. came back empty. angry democrats are running the mueller probe. even though rosenstein, mueller, chris wray, they're all republicans. and one way or another his choice. then of course the central park five. guilty. dna evidence cleared them. now, compare that to what we have seen from trump. time and time again. when it comes to strong men aria around the world. like vladimir putin. >> i believe that president putin really feels and he feels strongly he didn't meddle in our election. >> sound familiar? it's the same way he talking about the saudi king. and kim jong un. >> he wrote a beautiful letter. they're great. we fell in love. >> a man whose government found without parallel when it comes
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to stuff like extermination. torture and enslavement. listen, listen to me. what if we see what do we see here? if trump likes you, or if he fears you, then he's going say all right i'll take his word. let's go slow. the case of brett kavanaugh. roy moore. rob porter. they deny it i'm good with that. if the allegations work to his advantage, or confirm what he wants you to think, he's more than happy to get ahead of the troou. to believe nobody and anything that anybody says that's different than what he wants to be true. his relationship with the facts means he's often strong when he should be soft. and soft when he needs to stand strong. now, another example. pocahontas. the nickname. etched in our brains from president trump about massachusetts senator warren. now, works so well it rallies.
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expanded mental-health services... clean restrooms and safe shelters. vote "yes" on c. it helps all of us. so, elizabeth warren took a dna test. and the analysis shows she probably has distant native american heritage. she says it validates what she
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has long understood to be part of the family history. so after years of calling her pocahontas. will president trump deliver on what he once suggested? he didn't suggest it. he said it. he said he would donate $1 million to charity if she took such a test. and he got a big round of applause. today, he was asked about it. whether he owes her the money. he said. >> if she gets the nomination in the debate. i'll only do it if i can test her personally. that will not be something i enjoy doing, either. >> oh, no. of course he said it. of course you owe the money. there were no such caveats. it's such a beautiful window into how he dealt with a lot of business agreements throughout the years. i know because i have investigated them long before i was at cnn. has warren disarmed the
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president's favorite line of attack? or did she make it worse? let's ask the great debaters. ken, i'll start with you. we both know this is the trump of old. he wouldn't pay anything on a contract unless he had to. he's putting in conditions here. that never existed. should he have owned, look i don't like the numbers. i don't think she's native american. he could have said that. he said what he said. right? >> yeah. well, of course she goes from folk honts to no hon tos. it all rimes. she made it an issue first years ago. it's ridiculous. as cherokees were saying today, they're offended by it. she's gloming onto their
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history. and what the president said, it's almost like a common bluster. sort of thing he says. and. >> it makes it okay. as long as it's common. and does it all the time. >> let's flip it. if she was a republican, the rest of the mainstream media would be crucifying her. instead they're coming to her defense and talking about the president comments and other stuff. anybody else if there were a republican it would be about what senator warren said. >> i'll tell you what, it's a good point. too soon. here's why. this is the problem for you guys. that she took the test. it seemed to be this was a way of getting the pocahontas thing out of the way. now she can move forward. it doesn't do that for her. i don't think the standard of what was found in there is satisfying to people. and i read the cherokee nation statement. that's just going to be one point of feed back.
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did she help herself? or made herself look vulnerable. >> i think that this is such a non-story. except for the fact the president of the united states once again is always out there calling people names so much so she's actually got to jump through the hoop of taking a test. to be able to prove that she in fact has some small amount of native american blood. she didn't claim to be part of a tribe. she said it was part of her family heritage. that's proven. it's part. i don't think if that test came back with 100% native american heritage it wouldn't satisfy the president. >> would have satisfied me. i would have all over the president and forcing him through this show to say you better own up now. you have a problem. i think the test doesn't really allow her that advantage. >> what would be the percentage that would be acceptable? any percentage that would be acceptable to the president to have him pay $1 million. this man doesn't pay his taxes. he's not paying on a bet.
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he's a -- it's ridiculous thing that we're even wasting the valuable real estate time that you have on cable tv with all due respect. talking about this. >> there's no due respect. in that statement. i want you to know. there was nothing respectful about that. i don't disagree. i'm trying to do it differently. it's not going to be about crucify trump. what i'm saying is that it works both ways. i don't think the test helped her. it's better than having the no trace of anything ever. on the other side it was, you know why she's been saying it. she used it to help herself. yo saw the reporting done on this. that's just not the case. if you ask harvard law, if you ask the four employers before that. the position she had. nobody considered it. she never put forward that she was native american. as a way of helping herself get
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a job. that's not fair either, fair point? >> well, i mean she has talked about it. i don't just accept that at face value. >> she didn't put it on applications. >> the next hurdle about this is that actually matters, is if she's going to consider being a 2020 candidate. it isn't republicans that matter. it's democrats that matter. it's what do democrat based voters think about this. that's really the -- >> there's nothing about this story that will cause democrats to move in another direction. with respect to you. that point is ridiculous. >> i didn't challenge it. i just threw it out there. >> this is the donald trump talking point at rally. he likes to say it. he gets a laugh. he won't stop saying it. she will have put it behind her in her mind. and demonstrated there was something to this story. in her family tree. there was a small amount of native american blood. that's all she's saying.
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it's nothing more. you make a huge big deal about it. she hasn't use it to benefit herself. >> that part is do monster bli true. this is us vs. them. this is what the president does best in terms of rhetoric. he did it so many times in the 60 minutes interview. did you hear what he said talking about ford? and the kavanaugh situation. how he answered. he didn't have time to think. if i hadn't given the speech about her. he just dragged her through the mud. if i hadn't given that speech, we wouldn't have won. who's we? is it a one sided victory when you appoint a new supreme court justice nominee. it's not about a citizen winning. and the kids and the generation of jurisprudence. it's about saying what he had to
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say to get his guy through? >> are you okay with that. >> it's not how he's talking about it. >> that's exactly how he's talking about it. >> if you nominate somebody -- i agree with your point. he owned it. i nominated this guy if he gets through i win. if he doesn't i lose. >> he didn't own he dragged her through the mud and it was wrong. he said it was right because it helped me win. you're okay with that? >> look. one of the unfortunate -- no i'm not okay with the ends justify the means type politics. and that is become common place. that's not a good thing. and unfortunately i think that it's become much more accepted and defended in the media. that the end are what matter. and we end up with politics like today. it's not a good thing. i don't think trump owns that. that was going on long before
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trump began his rise in 2015. and there are a lot of influences on that in both parties. it's a sad state. it will take a lot to turn it around. we're a long way off. >> last word. >> i think this largely is driven by the guy at the top who is calling people names and gaslighting them. and telling people in america things that are simply not true. i know we don't have time to talk about it. i want to get to the climate change comment. where he basically said it's not manmade. even his own -- >> he said exactly that. something is happening. i don't think we did it. and it will change back. he can't find any science to back that up. nobody who knows what they're talking about in any community would echo that. that's what he put out there. why?
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we don't know. we'll talk about it another night. jennifer, ken. >> me too. >> you'll both be back. >> i want to bring in one of the warrens colleagues in the senate. would he have taken a dna test to prove the president wrong? the tough questions, next. ♪ it is such a good time to kiss ♪ ♪ it is such a good time to dance ♪
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senator warren from massachusetts. took a dna test. it turns out that there is some native american blood somewhere from six to ten generations back. is that good enough for trump? of course not. >> you owe her an apology? what about the money. >> she owes the country an apology. >> warren's colleague in senate is chris coons. he's also a member of the foreign relations committee. he joins us now. democrat from delaware. senator, a pleasure. >> great to be with you. what a striking day it's been in terps of so many different developments from khashoggi's disappearance and likely murder. to the results of senator warrens dna test. i think it's really striking that donald trump got his start in politics by challenging president obama citizen ship. his birtherism.
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escapade. once it was proven of course, that president obama was in fact born in hawaii in the united states. trump really didn't ever con seed he had been wrong all along. i frankly think this is another episode where although the president publicly said he would pay $1 million to a charity. if she took a test. she's done it. she's put to rest his i think a juvenile offensive and inappropriate suggestions. using his nickname for her. that somehow she didn't know her family history. it's best for everybody to move on here. and recognize this is just another episode that was beneath the president. >> i agree. jamal khashoggi. look, hopefully god willing i'm wrong. we're all wrong. he's alive somewhere. the cnn reporting is right and the saudis adjust the story as is expected. that he of the in fact killed. killed instead of murdered. because they say it was an accident during interrogation.
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question one, what if everything they're saying is true. and just like the president parroted for his friend the king, it was rogue actors. just trying to take him and bring him back. and killed him during interrogation. it that okay to you? as a senator who signed onto the letter. >> it's not okay. and adds as you reference 20 members of the senate foreign relations committee and equal number of democrats and republicans signed a letter to trump starting the 120 day process. under the global act. under which he has to determine what happened. and recommend the imposition of sanctions if he find a violation of human rights. of course it's not okay. for the saudis to send a team to the their consulate in turkey. whether it was to kidnap and interrogate a journalist or whether it was with the intention of killing him. either way, they bear the responsibility for an
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interrogation whether it was intended to lead to death or intended to lead to his kidnapping. either of those count as a fundamental violation of human rights under the global act. and it is something that i think we in the senate should take a strong stand. if president trump won't send a strong signal that the united states put values on protecting human rights and journalists ahead of interests such as arm deals. the senate should step forward and do it. >> we have to figure out what you want to do. will it matter. what's the appropriate action. the media has been pushing the president and pushing you guys. what are you doing to do. that's not my question. when will you do? because as you learn things then you act. and my question about that process, is how measured the president is here. how willing he was to accept the rogue actor theory. how willing he was to accept
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this kings denial. as you just mentioned when it came to birtherism he knew that was b.s. we grew up in the same place. i know when his nose is tweaked. he forwarded it because it was god for him. when it's putin. putin said he didn't meddle. we have to listen to him. he really believed it. what is it about the president when it's a strong man, then he's okay with a baseless denial of a situation. when it's millions of voters voting illegally. he says it without any hesitation without any basis. why such a difference? >> what concerns me most about his conduct in the world is the way it weakens us. when he seems eager to stand up to the close allies. like canada. or merkel in germany. and to embrace or excuse or believe a dictator like kim jong un or philippines.
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russia. or in this case mbs or the king. or the crowned prince. if this proves true, that they directed ordered a kidnapping and murder. of a journalist in american resident. someone a critic of the saudi royal family at times. then that would be the latest in a disturbing line of incidents where it maybe that our own president statements his calling the press the enemy of the people made the suggestion to the saudis they could do something like this and get away with it. here's an opportunity for president trump to step forward in the tradition of republican presidents like reagan. and show that we put human rights first. that's something that both republican and democratic presidents have taken strong efforts and decisive action to show the world that we don't just lead with interest. we more importantly at times lead with values. >> that would be good. but we're coming off a interview
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where the president said last night, listen, he was pushing him about the speech about professor ford. he's like look, you know, i said what i said. if i hadn't given that speech, we wouldn't have won. with kavanaugh. how do you feel about that? >> well that win at all costs approach follow ticks is i think dangerously debasing. the reasons people do get into public service or politics which is not to win at all costs but win based on principle. he also in answering the question what sort of action will you take against the saudis if these allegations are true, he cited $110 billion in defense contracts. first that's wrong on the facts. that got fact checker. it's like $4 billion in defense contracts signed since his visit last year. nothing like $110 billion.
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and frankly, regardless of how large the contracts might be, it matters of principle of value. we have to weigh them heavily. and at times put them in front of narrow or short term economic interest for the country. because what america stand for that distinguishes us from other countries is we will put our values at the head of the line of the national interest. >> senator coons, always welcome on the sthoe talk about what matters to the american people. appreciate it. ahead, the painting everybody is talking about. you have been online. did you watch 60 minutes? did you see the reaction. it's surprising a lot of people. it's hacking on a wall in the white house. i'm not surprised. but i believe there's a man who you like who will take the other side. next.
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start saving at botoxcosmetic.com all right. so a picture is wort a thousand words. right? . i have a picture that maybe worth more than that. this is hanging in the white house. this picture was in the background during part of the president's 60 minutes interview. the fantasy painting. shows president trump surrounded by republican presidents. sitting across from honest abe.
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and nixon. roosevelt and reagan. bushes and others gather around him as the center. i want to bring in don lemon. and don, i -- >> i was -- go on. >> i love that he has a diet coke. apparently. in front of him. as we know he's not a big taker of the booze. and everybody else seems to be drinking something of a more adult beverage nature. >> except ronald reagan. his father was an alcoholic. he says nixon has a glass of wine. he enjoyed. >> george w. has a coke also. >> he's recovering. >> but, what did i think of it? you know, it's the president looks fit and i have never seen him that thin. even as a young man. all portraits he wanted to flter flatter every president.
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also, come on. even the photographs here like look at that. when was that 1987? >> it wasn't. by the way. >> you're so young and your hair was real then. >> look at that handsome guy. >> let's be honest. for a second. you're a good looking man. i would say nothing other than that. put the picture up again. you tell the audience that your hair isn't colored in the photograph. don't take it off. >> i swear my hair is not colored. here's the thing. >> are you sure it's not retouched? >> i don't know what they do. but i had that much hair. >> they do something. >> that's because my hair is shorter. and i'm older. that was 2015. i did look like this. i had the flu and lost 15 pound. 15 pound ago and three years. >> everything about the photo the painting is perfect. obviously the president it was painted for him and he likes it and puts it on the wall.
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the main thing i'm sure he took away from it. he's the center of everyone's attention. there's more light on him. in the photograph. than everything else. >> even more so than the democratic picture. yes. it looks like he and lincoln are having a the conversation. everything is centered around them. the one who looks -- two look realistic. that is george w. bush and i think nixon. i like teddy roosevelt. i like his sleeves rolled up. >> do you like kamala harris in the background? there's a woman in the background that's supposed to be the next president. crime not saying that because -- every reaction i've had -- i even had the critic on -- >> are you sure it's not a man? >> no, there's a woman right there in the shadow. i'm not saying kamala harris is
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going to be the next president, but the art critic had the same reaction i did to that photo, and he said who is that. and a pulitzer prizewinner who had the same reaction i did. >> very interesting. although this segment was crushed by the fact you lide about your hair in that photo. >> chris, no, it's all mine. i don't know what they did to it but -- >> i'm saying they colored your hair in that photo. they retouched it. >> also katie couric is going to be on tonight and katey says that sarah palin -- she's going to tell me what sarah palin got right. that's what you're going to hear at the top of the hour. nice hair. >> all right. a storey i could not believe this weekend. in fact, i spent a lot of my weekend trying to disprove it. why? i couldn't believe that my government would allow a
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all right. full admission. i could not believe what i'm about to tell you. i wanted it to be fake. but this is what it looks like. this is a waiver of rights signed by a child. i wish i could tell you that kids are home from the border, and that the policy has changed, but that would be a damn lie because this has been an exercise in deception from the start. the argument, trump's executive order in june, he said, i'm doing this to stop the separations. remember? i told you then, and now, that was bs. just look at the title. affording congress an opportunity to address family separation. it was always on congress. he was never going to stop
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anything. he never did anything. why? because this is always what he wanted. and now, the policy is the same way it always was for all practical effect. then they said they were fixing it and the dhs secretary said this. >> this administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border. >> yet, these documents, please put them up, show an obvious effort to develop a policy of separating kids. why? because it was never about just enforcing the law. it was always about sending a message. listen to the president, please. >> frankly, when you don't do separate -- when you allow the parents to stay together, okay, when you allow that, then what happens is people are going to pour into our country. >> so you're going to go back to that? >> well, we're looking at a lot of things. >> stop saying he was just enforcing the law and he doesn't
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want it to be this way. he does. it's by design. they're finding more ways to do it because he likes the message. you just heard it. be harsh. it will keep them away. so now they have to admit they're considering a new family separation policy because they've always wanted to be on this page. and here it is. you come illegally with a kid, get two choices, stay together up to 20 days and the parent has to make a decision or whatever the guardian is. option one, stay with the child for month and years as they wait for the case to be heard. option two, allow the kids to be taken into government custody. basically forcing the family to split up. these are people seeking asylum, by the way, not just an illegal alien entrant. they're asking for asylum. you build your wall, there'll still be people standing next to it saying help me, let me come in. you still have to deal with it.
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some will be fake. what about those who aren't? that's why lady liberty cringes at this. now more proof of how preposterous it. i can't believe it. this document signed by a 5-year-old, her name is helen. she's an asylum seeker from honduras. this is helen, too, in a photo reminiscent of a mugshot. she fled from her home with her grandmother and teenage uncle after gangs threatened their life. the plan, meet up with helen's mom in texas. helen never came to meet them. you know why? someone handed the 5-year-old this document, a request for a flores bond hearing. it has a lot of legalese about being a danger to the community and the suitability of sponsors. not exactly good night moon. but basically, she had a right to see a judge and she signed the right away. it's smart to say i withdraw my previous request for a flores bond hearing. smart for a 5-year-old. now the "new yorker" did this story but i learned something else today. on the link, there's a second page to this document. the first one is shocking enough with the kid's signature.
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i get why they went for that. but that second page, i have it here, look it up on the link, in fact, i'll put it on twitter, you'll get the link. this page, it says parent or guardian, the lawyer working pro bono for the family told me that, i checked it out, that's how i got the page. who signed it? a government employee signed it. works for the same department that was processing helen. was appointed as her guardian. that's some guardian. i'll tell you who it wasn't. any of the people listed for helen that the government could have reached out to. why didn't they reach out? because they're not looking to make it easy. they're not looking to be fair. even to asylum seekers. they want them to get the hell away, stay away. fear coming this way ever again. don't look to us in these situations. helen's back with her family after two months. she got a party. princess themed. pizza. like a typical kid. now, she cries, also typical of kids in her situation because

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