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exits. >> good to clear that up. remember, he's just doing his job. okay. thank you for joining us "inside politics today". subscribe to our podcast. we have a fun time there. thank you for joining us. wolf starts right now. hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. in washington. thank you for joining us. we begin with a very high stakes mystery of the missing journalist. starting to unravel. we're now learning of a stunning shift from saudi arabia. sources telling cnn, the country is now willing to admit that the washington post contributor jamal khashoggi was killed inside the saudi consulate in turkey, framing it as an interrogation gone wrong. the big question now, how will president trump respond? one senior adviser tells cnn how president trump handles the saudi crisis may be the most consequence s
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consequential decision of his presidency. and now a demand for a strong response to the saudis. >> i've been their biggest defender on the floor of the senate. this guy is a wrecking ball. he had this guy murdered in a consulate in turkey. to expect me to ignore it, i feel used and abused. i defended saudi arabia because they're a good ally. there's a difference between a country and individual. the mbs is toxic. >> this would blow apart the middle eastern part. the u.s. can't shrug its shoulder and say nothing happened here. >> our chief international correspondent is standing by in turkey for us. first let's check in with sam kylie joining us live from riyadh, saudi arabia right now. the u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo was there. he met with the crowned prince. met with the king.
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met with the foreign minister. what else can you tell us? >> well, let's go through the meetings quickly. there was a 15-minute meeting with king salman. until now he handed over the reigns of power to his son. and the issue there, i think is interesting, because it is the king that really has managed to reign in the -- some of the more inflammatory rhetoric that was coming out last week. but then pompeo went on for a 40-minute meeting with the crowned prince. that was more meaty. less respectful in private, we understand, or not with the words candid and direct being used in terms of the language used by mr. pompeo. he couldn't exactly read the riot act. he is demanding there be a degree of transparency in terms of coming to some kind of
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conclusion about what happened to jamal khashoggi. and he is also due this evening to be hosting, that is the crowned prince, hosting the secretary of state at a dinner. there will be more opportunity there to try to massage this relationship. there is getting extremely tense, not least because of the growing protests coming out of the capital in washington, wolf. >> is there any indication the saudis are about to issue their statement saying this was an interrogation gone wrong and he died in the process? >> i have had some indications that there have been -- the term is changes -- to their position. this has been worked on, really, since the weekend, we understand. some of the details may change, and some of the sources at cnn had indicated that that was likely as they tried to figure out what is the most convenient truth, if you like, wolf. >> stand by.
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i want to go to clarissa in turkey for us doing amazing reporting on the investigation. what is the latest, clarissa, you're hearing? >> well, wolf, i think there's a definite sense here turkish officials are growing impatient. after several days of being restrained. of complete abstinence of leaks coming from turkish authorities. we heard the right noises about a positive working environment with the saudis. they finally gained access to the consulate. today a shift in tone. there's a sense the turks want the saudis to get serious, to provide unfetters access and just to start providing some serious answers, wolf. presidentered wan earlier today saying investigators when they were in the consulate, they found traces of toxic materials. also saying that some things have been painted over, indicating that the saudis who were involved in this botched operation potentially were trying to hastily cover up their
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tracks. and so as i was saying, there's a sense that we need to know now, what happened to this man where was his body disposed of? how was he killed? who killed him? at whose authority did this take place? we've been hearing the saudis are about to issue this statement, and implicate their own responsibility and take ownership of it. but so far that hasn't happened. in the meantime, the clock is ticking. and patience is wearing thin, wolf. >> clarissa the assumption is they cut up the body and put it in boxes, diplomatic pouchs and shipped it to saudi arabia. is that the working assumption? >> reporter: well, the turks so far have not exactly said what happened to the body, but they have strongly indicated that they do already know what happened to it. and that they are not afreud ai release that information if they
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don't start to get serious answers. >> clarissa ward in saudi arabia. there's a lot of international fallout for saudi arabia's big upcoming conference which has been dubbed davos in the desert. people have already pulled out. many sponsors announced they'll boycott this upcoming event. let's go to our senior national correspondent, alex marcord here in washington. a lot of big names pulling out. who is still planning to attend? >> wolf, this is the other major aspect of the story. aside from the political fallout, how will the business community react? that community they have been trying to court, trying to convince saudi arabia is a place to do business. let's look first at the leaders who for now are still planning on attending. you have the ceo of seaman's, the head of the imf, but the one that everyone is watching is the u.s. treasury secretary steven
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mnuchin. the fact that he is still considering going is a sign that the trump administration is still willing to give saudi arabia the benefit of the doubt after the alleged murder of khashoggi. not punishing them by pulling out of the conference which frankly would be a very easy thing to do, and it would send them a strong message. president trump has said that it's possible that mnuchin will not go saying no decision has been made. the said it's up to mnuchin who has until friday to decide whether to attend. so that's the one we are really watching closely. now, there are others we are still waiting to hear from. notably soft bank from japan. the french banks, the french hotel chain accor. we have just learned the london stock exchange has pulled out. that is evidence of the huge amount of pressure on these people and these companies who are still mulling it over to
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punish saudi arabia by not going. now, postponing the conference could be a possibility for saudis, but so far there's no indication they'll do it. wolf, if they go ahead, it will be highly embarrassing for them. if that list of people backing out does continue to grow. >> alex marcord, thank you for reporting. here with us to assess, peter bergen, dana bash, our chief political respondecorrespondent. forget about democrats. from republicans coming in, you heard them tough. is the president going to heed their advice? >> we'll see. look, the only -- the closest analogy to this kind of bipartisan congressional pressure was, of course, on russia. and in a huge bipartisan vote the congress said that there have to be greater sanctions on russia after they said the intelligence community proved that russia meddled in america's
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election in 2016. and that was for an adversary. saudi arabia as you well know, has a lot more of a complicated relationship, but is largely considered an ally in the region. so that makes it even more complicated. and even more telling that congress seems to be willing to put any and all punitive measures on the saudi government if and when what our reporting shows and what the members of congress are saying the intelligence shows them is true. and so it is going to be a big question how the president, if the president continues to approach this from a transactional point of view, from a counterterrorism -- in terms of money from a counterterrorism point of view, and -- or whether or not he adds in some of what we heard from lindsey graham and especially marco rubio. the idea that as president of the united states you also have to factor in the moral
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leadership that is expected of a president, of america, and has been for the last century plus. >> he went to the saudi consulate in istanbul to get documentation to allow him to get divorced. he was waiting outside the consulate. there's pictures of him walking in. no pictures of him leaving. we do know that on that day some 15 saudi officials showed up including with box cutters and all sorts of sophisticated autopsy equipment. do you buy this notion that he was simply being interrogated or was it always the intention to kill him and chop up his body and ship it out of the country? >> i don't think we know. but clearly the ground is being prepared for al alternative explanation. the king said he left a few minutes after he entered the consulate. the ground is being prepared. the president said it was a
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potentially rogue operation. this is the narrative that's going to come out which is that somebody -- you remember thomas beckette? salman, there's plausible deniability. he'll be able to say somebody kind of got over excited and this wasn't our intention. but clearly the ground is being prepared -- there's only one explanation. the guy was murdered in the consulate. there are no alternative plausible explanations. the question is who is going to take the fall and how high up will it go and will it be low level guys or will some serious relatively high official be blamed? >> is the trump administration going to accept whatever excuse, whatever explanation the saudi regime comes up with? >> some might. the president might at least in public. but that is why what you're hearing from the united states congress in a very robust bipartisan way is so
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significant. you heard someone like lindsey graham saying that he has been a huge advocate for engaging with saudi arabia, in particular the armed sales to saudi arabia. and saying he's done unless there is forgive me, regime change in saudi, and that this young crowned prince is replaced because he's not someone that america can deal with. that's a pretty big deal, diplomatically for an american government to be saying or senior people in the american government to be that overt in saying this guy has got to go when you're talking about how delicately every administration, democrat and republican have approached the saudi royal family. >> you spent a lot of time studying this. that may be the only way the saudi government comes out of this, if the king announces the crowned prince is gone and he has no more authority, and that those who supported and worked with him are gone. and he brings in a new crowned prince. he has a lot of sons.
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>> he does. this is his favorite son. this is a son who has approached his rule as a totalitarian dictator. he imprisoned conservative clerics, activists. and businessmen and princes. so he's made it clear. necessary in charge, and the king is 82. and this is his favorite son. i'm kind of skeptical. that would be a potential solution, but i'm skeptical it's going to happen. >> i'll play a clip. i interviewed another one of his sons earlier this year who was at least until a few days ago the saudi ambassador to the united states. the new york times is reporting he's become in saudi arabia and not coming back to washington. when i interviewed him back in april, he was very upbeat about the reform, the positive things happening in the kingdom. listen to this. >> i want to tell you what's happening. we have a long term strategy,
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vision 2030. we are having transformation. we live in a transformation period in saudi arabia. we want to reform our economy. we want to modernize our society. we want to empower our youth including women. >> that was then. and how much has changed in the last few days? >> well, that was then. but that was one side of the story. and you chime in here, please. i think you were alluding to this. the other side of the story was that yes, women were given more rights but they were already -- also arrested for having the rights they were given. he took a lot of members of his own family and brought them to the ritz and did a bunch of other stuff that we probably don't even know about to live up to the totalitarian name label you rightly gave him. that is something that we really can't forget. that is what goes into the whole question of the moral authority and whether or not america is going to stand by that, what the president's fellow republicans
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are urging him to stick with. >> at the end of the day, he cares about saudi politics, not american politics. and so i think he will whether this, even if that is perhaps not something -- >> the crowned prince? >> yeah. >> thank you very, very much. this story may only be just beginning. coming up, horse face. that's what the president of the united states is now calling stormy daniels. it's not the first time he's verbally gone after a woman. plus a caravan with hundreds of honduran migrants heading to the border. those are moms. anybody seen my pants? nothing cleans better. put those on dad! it's got to be tide.
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a federal judge's decision to throw out stormy daniels's defamation lawsuit against him. in a tweet the president called stormy daniels, i'm quoting the president now, horse face. threatening to go after her in referring to her lawyer as third rate. avenatti called trump an embarrassment to the united states. stormy daniels tweeted out that president trump has demonstrated his hatred for women. this is not the first time that donald trump has verbally attacked women. watch this. >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. >> she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina.
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>> do you feel betrayed by omarosa? >> low life. >> donald trump said the following about you. quote, look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that? the face of our next president. >> when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> all right. let's bring in april ryan, the white house correspondent for american urban radio networks and also a congressional reporter for the hill. april, what's your reaction to the tweet from the president of the united states? this is the president of the united states going after stormy daniels, calling her horse face. >> let me just put it on the table. it's disgusting. as a woman, but as a journalist it's newsy. looking at the news from this tweet because the white house considers it official. this is the standard bearer for the american public. this is the leader of the free
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world. and he is chastising a woman. he won, and now he's going after her, calling her a name. what does that do to the women who are still upset after the kavanaugh confirmation? what does that do going into the polls in november? what does that do to his base, these white married women who voted for him at a tune of 51%? and also the white women who voted for him overall at a tune of 53%? what does that do in a moment when women are still hurting. and for the president of the united states to say this about another woman? when he called omarosa a dog, that was wrong. when he talked about ted cruz's wife's looks, that was wrong. this is a person who covers all america. stormy daniels is still someone who he is -- he's -- he covers her as president of the united states. >> what did you think, melanie. >> i think the president has been itching to punch back at stormy daniels. this is someone who was thought
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to have beat the president at his own game. he's been effective. she's been effective at playing the media strategy. she came out with a book attacking the president. made derogatory comments about his appearance which she repeated on twitter today. it's not surprising that he came out swinging today in light of this recent lawsuit. but i don't think he's winning the messaging war when it comes to women as april pointed out, especially with a midterm election hanging in the balance where these independent women, these moderate republican women are so crucial to winning and keeping the house and the senate. >> and wolf, and the crazy thing is this, again, he won this defamation case. but he's going after her. the standard is for him, not for stormy daniels who has come out talking about things that she knew allegedly in their private moments. but the standard is set for him. this is not presidential. he may say he's changing how presidents look. this is not presidential at a time when we're engaged in trying to find out what happened to "the washington post"
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journalist. at a time when there's so much on the table, so much at stake. at a time when there is voter suppression alleged in georgia. it's so much going on and what he can do, use his official twitter account and call a woman who he's alleged to have had an affair with, horse face, that's wrong. >> the suggestion from some is that he's anxious to change the subject from khashoggi, the missing saudi journalist. >> well, he's tweeted about a bunch of things today. he had no public events on his schedule. no briefing today. he's tweeted about russia, po elizabeth western. it's not surprising to see him go so hard after stormy daniels. it's leaving a lot of people questioning what is he doing? he's the president of the united states. >> this is street. it's gutter. >> it's going into the gutter in fact. >> it's not going. it's there. >> it's one thing for michael avenue naughty to use the words
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he uses, stormy daniels, but he's the president. >> he's the president of the united states. >> he's supposed to be above calling a woman, even a woman who has gone after him, horse face. >> he's supposed to be, but he -- he does not understand the unique perch he's sitting in. he does not understand this position. this is not a joke. there are some who like this gutter tactic. but you are the president of the united states. when the stakes are so high, we've got other world leaders chiming in on the saudis and making the move on the issue of the murdered journalist, and he's not pushing as hard. yet he can go on twitter and call a woman horse face after he won a face. >> april, melanie, thank you very much. i'm sure this story is going to continue. $100 million and counting this. that's how much president trump has already raised for his reelection campaign. putting him at a massive advantage over democratic
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challengers, and if there are any republican challengers. it's not quite 100 million, but beto o'roarke, trying to take down ted cruz has raised more than $38 million in just three months. and he's not sharing a dollar with fellow senate candidates in his own party. stay with us. but allstate helps you. with drivewise. feedback that helps you drive safer. and that can lower your cost now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?
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2020 may seem far away. president trump's reelection campaign is already in major full swing. new filings show the president has already raised more than $100 million. giving him a massive and unprecedented financial advantage against any democrats hoping to challenge him and any republicans who might want to challenge him for the nomination. we are joined by chris. >> the truth is this number blows the doors off of anything we've seen before. the total is over $100 million when you include the various ways in which he's raising money. how does it compare? this is $71 million he's raised on his own. the $100 million is joint fundraising. money spent on trump but not through his committee. the rest of these numbers, this is remarkable because these numbers are all the first two
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years. we still have three months to beat these numbers. he's already gone way, way over it if you include all his money, wolf, 100 million, he's raised 2 times as much as george w. bush and 26 times as much as barack obama. these guys weren't raising money. donald trump formed his reelection campaign in 2017. >> speaking of major fundrai fundraising. look at texas right now. ted cruz's opponent, beto o'roarke is raising huge amounts of money right now. listen to him. >> are you willing to commit to share some of that to help other democrats get across the finish line in, say, missouri? >> no. i'm focussed on texas. most of our contributions have come from texas. all of have come from poeople.
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folks want to contribute to win the race. if they want to contribute to another campaign, they're welcome to do that. we're going to spare no expense. >> he's not sharing any of that money with other senate democratic candidates. >> it may sound sort of selfish, but beto o'roarke raised a lot of money. he's running in texas. it's an expensive state. he raised $38 million from july 1st to september 30th. he spent 29 million. we released this poll around noon today. okay. remember this race was closer at the end of the summer. 52-45. it says it's still reason range. ted cruz is not at 62. but this is always the problem. that's the number to focus on. democratic candidates in texas over the last several decades, if they're a good candidate, they can get to 45. it's getting to 49 and 50 that's always the problem. beto o'roarke running up against the same hard ceiling.
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the question is does the money he has -- will that solve this problem? this is a partnership problem. i don't know the answer to that. they're going to spend it and see, and that's what he makes clear in the clip. >> turnout will be critical. >> and you can spend a ton of money not just on tv but on turnout. he will have the cadillac -- the tesla, pick the car, the nicest campaign possible. the question is are there enough voters that he can find and drive to the polls to get up over the hard 45, 46. >> i like the cadillac. >> it's an old school reference. >> it's american. >> i grew up cadillac. >> chris, thank you. and don't miss cnn thursday night. the democratic senate candidate beto o'roarke will face questions in a town hall format. ted cruz declined the invitation to participate. thursday, 7:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. disturbing details confirm a
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turkish official now tells cnn jamal khashoggi was cut into pieces after he was killed in the saudi consulate in istanbul earlier this month. for a single dad, and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid, plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. opportunlike here.rywhere. and here. see? opportunity. hi! cinturones por favor. gracias. ev-er-y-where. about to be parents. it's doing a lot of kicking down there. meeting the parents. it's gonna be fine. and this driver, logging out to watch his kid hit one out of the... go dani, go! opportunity is everywhere. all you have to do to find it is get out... here. ♪
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secretary of state mike pompeo is in saudi arabia right now. he's been meeting with the crowned prince. the secretary also met with the saudi king. his arrival comes as we're learning the saudi government may be ready to publicly talk
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about the death of jamal khashoggi. a turkish official now tells cnn khashoggi was killed inside the saudi consulate in istanbul and his body was dismembered. awful situation. joining us now, congressman chris stuart, a republican. congressman, thank you so much for joining us. i want to get your reaction to these awful reports that this saudi journalist, jamal khashoggi, went into the ko consulate. we wanted to get paperwork to allow him to get divorced to get remarried. he never emerged. he was interrogated but he was killed inside and then they had box cutters or whatever to cut up his body and ship it out of the country in diplomatic pouchs. >> oh, my gosh. i was a writer, wolf. i wouldn't have written this. it sounds like a horrific spy novel. there's a couple things about this that i think are disturbing. one of them is an embassy is a
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place of refuge. it's a place where you should feel safe, especially among your own countrymen. the second thing is the saudi explanation is outrageous. it's absurd. he was accidentally killed during an interrogation? you don't accidentally kill someone. and you shouldn't be interrogating them and putting them in danger anyway. there's much of this that many of us are disturbed about. the mine field we have to walk through, the real challenge for the national leaders is the saudis are an important ally to us. we can't ignore this and turn a blind eye and say what they've done here doesn't matter. it does. and they need to be held accountable for it. >> you heard lindsey graham. he's a republican. you heard marco rubio. lindsey graham basically suggesting the saudis need to get rid of their crowned prince and get somebody else. the king has to name another son to that critically important position, because the u.s. can't deal with this guy anymore. what do you think? >> well, i think it's -- one thing we need to be careful of
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when we say to another nation you have to get rid of a leader. almost always they dig in their heels. they push back like we do when we felt like russia was trying to influence our election. the saudis will push back. it may not be helpful. through diplomacy and pompeo's visit, we should certainly express our views that someone or one individual or another might be more helpful to the relationship, and we've lost trust in an individual. there are some things the saudis are doing that i think are helpful. some of the reforms, the rights toward women and minorities, this is a good thing. it's necessary. this is a meaningful step back for them. i feel bad about that, because they've been trying to integrate into western governments in a more modern way, and we want to encourage that, and as i said, this isn't helpful. it's disturbing for many of us? . >> the stakes clearly are
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enormous. and how the u.s. responds to all of this will be very, very significant. the whole world will be watching. let me go to another issue that's emerging right now. all of a sudden we're learning the federal deficit rose by 17% in this year, 2018 to $779 billion. the deficit this year, that's the highest since 2012. spending was up while corporate tax collection fell by $76 billion. due in part to the republican tax cuts for corporations. estimates also in this latest federal government report say the federal deficit next year could top $1 trillion. congressman, what ever happened to that part of your party that used to be deficit hawks and say you can't go on raising, raising, and raising the national debt? >> yeah. look, if you're a sincere -- if you are an enemy of national debt and spending, then you have a friend in me.
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because wolf, it's the reason i ran in 2012 was because the annual deficit that year. as you mentioned, it's the reason that many members of congress right now -- it's some of the motive for us getting involved with that. for this to happen under republican leadership is, frankly, just absurd. and that is, by the way, why i voted against the omnibus last fall, because of the incredible spending. the challenge we have is that you have one -- priorities like our department of defense which is a former air force pilot, i understand we have to adequately fund our defense, those braver men and women who are sacrificing to protect freedomaroufreedom around the world. the second is this. some people are saying this is only because of the tax reform. that's just not true. as you know we have actually record receipts in individual income tax. the problem is we're spending too much money, and we need to prioritize that and do a better
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job of that. when i say we, i'm talking the republicans. we need to be better at prioritizing our spending and saying we won't accept trillion dollar deficits again. wolf, if we do, there will be an uprising among conservatives. they're not going to turn a blind eye to a trillion dollar deficit. >> the forecasters say the trillion dollar annual deficit continues on and on unless you guys do something about that and do something quickly. before i let you go, very, very quickly, i just want to get your thoughts. i know you. the president as you know celebrated on twitter today a federal judge decision throwing out the defamation lawsuit brought against him by stormy daniels. and then he said this. now i can go after horse face. he was talking about stormy daniels. he called her horse face. despite all the differences, is it appropriate for a president of the united states to call out a woman like that, even a political rival, someone like stormy daniels? is it appropriate for the
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president to call a woman horse face? >> of course not. it's not appropriate for anyone to call someone that. under any circumstances. i wouldn't want one of my children to talk that way toward one of their friends. it's unnecessary. he won on this. it was a victory for him. he could have said nothing and left it at that. and it's just -- it's not helpful. it's rude. it's unnecessary, not helpful. >> why does he do this? >> i don't know. i don't know. this president, when you look at his accomplishments, and i know that, you know, maybe you or maybe some of your listeners won't agree, but when you look at his accomplishments, my heavens, they're meaningful. the growth in the economy. some of our defeat of isis, the regulatory reforms, supreme court justices. he has had a successful presidency, and it doesn't help the narrative or the memory that will be left with him to have incidents like this. it's just -- you know, unpresidential and not helpful.
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i wish he wouldn't. i wish we had time to talk about the accomplishments and not a tweet. >> it's not the first time he's degraded women like that in public. congressman chris skurt thank you for joining us as usual. >> thank you. right now a caravan holding hundreds of honduran migrants is on its way to the u.s. border. and president trump is responding. he's now threatening to cut off all aid to honduras unless that caravan is turned around. o and saved hundreds. excuse me... winner! that's a win. but it's not the only reason i switched. hi! geico has licensed agents who i can reach 24/7. great savings and round the clock service? now that's a win-win. winner. winner. yay me! oh, hi! good luck. switch to geico®. it's a win-win.
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caravan of hundreds of honduran migrants is headed it the u.s. border now. it has just crossed from honduras to guatemala. the group will apply for humanitarian visas so they can pass through mexico toward the u.s. border. president trump tweeted out just a little while ago warning that if the caravan is not stopped, money and aide to honduras will be cut off. vice president pence also tweeted out saying the u.s., quote, will not tolerate a blatant disregard for our border and sovereignty. leyla santiago is joining us. you spent time with a caravan of people from mexico headed to the u.s. border earlier this year. does this appear to be organized in a similar way? >> reporter: you said it. this is not a new thing. i just got off the phone with one of the human rights groups
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working with this caravan. they said the last count has been at 4,000. this group started in one of the most violent areas of that country, and they started at 600. they have crossed into guatemala and they are growing. now, when i asked them about responding to president trump's tweet, they said that, yes, they have noticed in just the last 24 hours a bit of a difference when it comes to law enforcement. they said when they left san pedro they were able to walk freely. they were told to stay on one side of the road. but just last night things changed. they saw helicopters in the air, they saw more of a military presence, they saw law enforcement kind of trying to stop them. even so, they did cross into guatemala. they are currently on foot right now heading north. the organizers tell me they believe they'll be in guatemala for about three days. that puts them in mexico, if
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their plans continue, by the end of the week. many of these migrants will tell you that they are fleeing violence, that they are fleeing poverty. i asked what kind of -- what's sort of the make-up that they have? organizers tell me that they have women and children, that they have men but all of them fleeing the violent condition of honduras right now. >> leyla, the president said unless these people are turned around and go back to honduras, no more u.s. money or aid will be given to honey did yoduras. how much is approach described on a yearly basis? >> from 2016 -- when you talk about guatemala, you're talk at
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$297 million. here's the thing, wolf. many of the programs that this money pays for, those programs are to try to prevent violence, to try to help people with poverty. so if that aid is taken away, the people who run those programs will tell you you'll likely see more immigration, you'll likely see larger numbers at the u.s. border if you take that u.s. aid away. >> the worse the situation honduras gets, the more people in honduras will try to leave and make it toward the united states. leyla santiago doing amazing reporting for us as she always does. >> ahead, a debate turns fiery with a claim of treason. >> and susan rice, who supports
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president trump, her son will now reveal whether he'll press charges. stand by.
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