trying to make up ground. >> there's nothing she can really do to put it back in the box, she may have been on a path to losing this seat anyway, but with so little time between now and election day, it's a big thing. >> thank you for joining us on "inside politics." it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington, thank you for joining us. the trump siding with the saudis despite seeing what could be critical evidence in the murder of the washington post columnist jamal khashoggie. here's president trump, listen. >> saudi arabia's been a very important ally of ours in the middle east, we are stopping iran, we're not trying to stop, we're stopping iran. we won a big step when we took

away that ridiculous deal that was made by the previous administration. the iran deal which was 1$150 billion, that $1.8 billion in cash, what was that all about? they are a very good ally. we have other good allies in the middle east. but if you look at saudi arabia, they're a tremendous ally and they're a tremendous purchaser of equipment and other things. when i went there, they committed to purchase $450 billion worth of things and 110 billion worth of military. those are the biggest orders in the history of this country, probably in the history of the world, i don't think there's ever been any order for $450 billion. and you remember that day in saudi arabia where that commitment was made. so they're an important ally. but i want to find out what happened, where is the fault, and we will probably know that by the end of the week, but mike pompeo is coming back, we're going to have a long talk. >> right now turkish forensic

investigators they have begun searching the saudi consul general's home. this is the first time investigators have been allowed inside since khashoggie vanished two weeks ago. these are some aerial photos taken from the turkish consulate. this is where turkish officials say he was killed and dismembered. the dna samples are said to have been taken from the building and its sewers. let's go to pamela brown, i take it that the president is meeting with the cab ninet right now, w expect to hear from him once again. until we get that videotape, what else did he say as far as we know? >> before that cabinet meeting kicked off, wolf. the president came out and denied that he is giving what happened. but he also emphasized the important relationship that the

u.s. has with saudi arabia when it comes to fighting terrorism, when it comes to iran, when it comes to the arms deal. it is clear the president is putting a lot of emphasis on this relationship and showing more skepticism when it comes to possible evidence from turkey, this audio reporting that reportedly recorded jamal khashoggie being killed. he's more septembkeptical that audio recording exists. saudi arabia's denial, the president seems to be softening his tone when it comes to saudi arabia's possible involvement in this purported killing of the journalist. just this past weekend, he said that the u.s. would be very upset if in fact saudi arabia was involved in this, he said could it be them? could saudi arabia have been involved? now he's coming out and emphasizing the important relationship, saying that there could be rogue killers involved, and even drawing a compare

soften to brett kavanagh's confirmation process, once again saying guilty until proven innocent. he also declined to say whether the fbi is involved in this investigation. here's what he said today. >> he wasn't a citizen of this country for one thing and we're going to determine that and you don't know whether or not we have, do you? >> well i -- >> do you know whether or not we have sent the fbi? >> have you sent the fbi? >> i'm not going to tell you. >> reporter: so the president saying he believes he will know by the end of the week what exactly happened. secretary of state mike pompeo coming back after meeting with saudi officials. the president says he will be briefed upon pompeo's turn this evening or tomorrow. what's interesting here, wolf, what exactly will mike pompeo say because the president said he doesn't know what happened, he said it's important to let the saudi investigation take place here, play out. so it remains what information

pompeo might be able to provide upon his return to the united states. wolf? >> to be precise, the president is meeting with his cabinet now, there's a pool of reporters in that cabinet room. we'll get that videotape very soon? >> reporter: we're hoping to get that videotape with sound that we'll play for our viewers, wolf. >> thank you very much. secretary of state mike pompeo is on his way back from his meetings with saudi and turkish officials like the president. he also admits he has not yet heard the recording offing cass hogue -- khashoggie's death, and he said that the saudis have promised transparency. >> i stressed the importance of them completing a complete investigation of the disappearance of jamal khashoggie. they said they would do that, they said there would be a

thorough, complete and transparent investigation. >> our supervisory special agent josh campbell is right outside the saudi consulate. the saudis have promised a transparent investigation, is that what we're seeing now? >> reporter: it's yet to be seen as far as how comprehensive that investigation will be or how transparent the saudis are with turkish officials here. i'll tell you, we are on the site of the saudi consulate. investigators behind me are processing the scene right now. about three hours ago, outside the consul residence, we saw a number of saudi police moving in. because on the day that khashoggie went missing, there was video of -- we have

diplomatic people come and going, but what happened about three hours ago, is that we actually saw these police officers moving in, they were in moon suits stepping out to conduct this examination here, wolf, and what has been happening since then is we have seen a drone flying overhead, we have seen a flurry of police activi activity. was evidence taken from the scene from the saudi consulate and brought back here, and perhaps the body of the missing journalist, that's something that investigators will be looking at. one thing that's been of interest as we have seen developments unfolding over the last 24 hours, one interesting piece is the saudi connection that keeps on growing. we understand that of that 15-man hit team, one of the individuals that was involved is someone closely connected with the crown prince. i think we have a graphic of this individual with the crown prince, he's a current intelligence officer, a diplo t

diplomat, obviously someone who's of great interest in this investigation because of that connection. bottom line, we see additional developments, additional saudi investigation, whether that information is shared between t turkish authorities and the saudi authorities and the united states has yet to be seen. over to the sexual assault claims against the u.s. supreme court justice brett kavanagh saying saudi arabia should not be guilty until proven innocent. he was out with senator ben carden. thanks for joining us. >> it's good to be with you. >> what is your reaction to what the president is saying? >> i'm extremely disappointed, we should be very clear that america will not tolerate this type of a murder taking place. it's clear that the royal family had some involvement here, it's also clear that they changed

their story on numerous occasions. so the president needs to be clear that our foreign policy is embedded in our principles. there's got to be a consequence to our relationship with the kingdom of saudi arabia. it doesn't mean we still won't do business with them, but we have to make it clear that that type of behavior cannot continue. if we don't, it's just an open season. >> do you have any doubt that the saudis killed ca eed khasho when he walked into the turkish consulate, he was alive and well, he was never seen walking out and never seen again and all of the reports suggest that he's dead. >> there's no question that the saudis were responsible for his death. that is now i think quite understood. we don't know the details, we don't know the involvement of the saudis, it's hard possible

in saudi arabia that an episode like this could occur without the royal family being involved, particularly the crown prince. >> and when the president suggests maybe president trump suggests maybe rogue killers were responsible, you say? >> i say that's not likely, not with the discipline in saudi arabia. you have members of the intelligence group that was involved in this, the security forces of the kingdom of saudi arabia, it leads back to the crown prince. we need to have that information come forward, america needs to be clear, the president's language to me is disappointing, and gives oxygen to those types of behaviors happening again. >> do you agree with your republican colleague lindsey graham that mohammad bin salman, the crown prince of saudi arabia, the man widely seen as being responsible for day to day everything in saudi arabia must go? >> i have joined with my

republican colleagues to look at the magnitsky investigations. if the crown prince is involved, that has to come forward. clearly there's a lot of explanations we need to have. >> do you think the treasury secretary steve mnuchin should still go to this big economic conference that was planned in saudi arabia in the coming days? so many other individual s have cancelled. >> the united states should cancel, there's no question in my mind, until we have the facts out of this investigation, the leader of the free world saying we'll still go when we're seeing the reaction from so many player. >> the president said for the record, i have no financial interest in saudi arabia or russia for that matter, any suggestion that i have is just fake news fake news. he boasted that he had an excellent commercial relationship with the saudis.

do you see any connection here? >> absolutely, we know the saudis used trump towers, trump hotels when they're here, because we know that that currys favor with the president. we understand that. there's no question that the president's violating the -- failing to divest hiss international holdings. >> but that long standing financial relationship with the saudis, is that clouding -- is looking at the investigation right now? >> i can tell you i never know what motivates the president of the united states. trump, his actions to me are so unpredictable. but clearly there's a cloud over these issues with him maintaining the financial interest in trump. >> let's see what happens with his investigation. senator carden, thanks so much for coming in. robert mueller is on track to complete his investigation soon after the midterm elections next month. and michael cohen is now

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a new report from bloomberg says that rod rosenstein is pressuring bob mueller to end his russia probe. one, whether there was any clear incidents of collusion between

russia and the trump 2016 campaign. and two, whether the president took any actions that would constitute an obstruction of justice. kim wailly is a former assistant united states attorney and also with us, david gregory, his title very short, cnn political analyst. guys, thanks very much. so do you think they can wrap this thing up with a report to rosenstein shortly after the midterm elections? >> we have been hearing from the white house that this needs to be wrapped up. and the question is whether we see anymore indictments before we see a report. mueller has already indicted 12 people, six guilty pleas, we have manafort cooperating so it's not unlikely that we'll see additional indictments in addition to this report, it would seem like with this

report, what would be more likely is obstruction, collusion is less likely. >> and the bottom line is we don't know what we don't know. and what we don't know is what the special prosecutor has and what he's developed. you think back to the president's first national security advisor who was dismissed, now you have michael cohen, manafort cooperating, focus on contact with the russians, the leaks of information from the dnc coordination potential. so there's a lot of questions we just don't know the answer to but we know there are people who have spoken to the special prosecutor. the obstruction piece is interesting of course because that is what we do know about which is the president firing the fbi director jim comey because he didn't like how he was handling the investigation. and that's very much going to be in the political realm. but i still think, what the president is focused on and

calling it a witch hunt is that there's no evidence that he or anybody close to him would coordinator collude with the russians to try to impact the election. that's going to be the core of whatever his findings are, i have to believe. >> let's talk about michael cohen for a moment, kim, the president's former lawyer, p.r. guy, fixer, whatever you want to call him, but he worked for a decade very closely with donald trump. now the president in this interview with associated press says he's a liar. michael cohen did small legal work, very small legal work and a p.r. person w. but the president of the united states, when michael cohen testified, that it was donald trump who authorized the payment of hush money to stormy daniels, he says that cohen is a liar. >> sure, i mean it's really

stunning that michael cohen said in open court under oath that essentially the president of the united states even gaugngaged i federal crime. and we have seen so much out of this white house, so many blatant lies. certainly he had an issue in speaking to his base on this, they're going to believe whatever he says, but the real question is what interest does the mueller investigation have. i think he's got to worry at this point, not only about possibly liability for himself but also for don jr., who was at the famous trump tower meeting in 2016, as well as jared kushner at that meeting. paul manafort was also at that meeting and now paul manafort is cooperating and we have to believe that in exchange for the plea deal that he got, he's giving information to the

special counsel. >> it's pretty hard to accuse somebody who's already pleaded guilty of lying under oath. >> it's going to hard for this president to separate himself from michael cohen with whom he worked with so closely. the white water investigation began with an investigation into the -- so there's the president is using that clinton playbook to go after a special prosecutor who may be lunching in all kinds of directions who he believes may be beyond the scope of the investigation. >> it's pretty extraordinary. stand by, there's more news we're watching right now. up next, fed up, the president says the biggest threat he's currently facing, the biggest threat is the central bank and rising interest rates. plus, if the gop loses control of the house, don't look at president trump, he's making it known it will not be his fault if democrats come out on top. - i get headaches.

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had this kind of an impact. but he also conceded that some of his supporters may simply not vote this november, saying and once again i'm quoting the president, there are many people who have said to me i will never, ever go to the midterms because you're not running and i don't think you like congress. well i do like congress. david gregory is still with us. do you think the president is helping a lot of these gop candidates by going out and stumping, or is he hurting them? >> the trump voter who may not have voted in cycles past may not see the reason to come out. i think one of the reasons why the fallout from the kavanagh confirmation was important because it was kind of a kbrun form line across trump -- to try

to stop democrats from taking power. up until then, if people thought that the economy was going well, or if the president had been responsible for good policies, i don't think they necessarily felt a reason that they had to come out. i think anger and fear is what really drives people in an off-year election. but i think it's impossible for the president to say that it's not about him. i mean he has made this all about him, i think there's no question about the democratic energy and the democratic fear and loathing is really all about him. >> that energy is reflected in money, money talks. there are 27 house races considered tossups right now, considering the democratic candidates raced $69.6 million that's three times more than the republicans raised in that house contest. how big a battle is this going to be and is money going to be an influential factor? >> money is an influential

factor in any political race, because the more money you have the more ads you can do, the more effort you can do to turn out the vote at the last minute. you certainly see a lot of donations driving these growing bank accounts. but as we saw in the last election, it doesn't buy you elections. the georgia democrats outspent the republican candidate, and they didn't win. and what president trump tried to do in his own election, and as you were saying a minute ago, he might not be saying i like congress but i like the president, because you can run for the middle in the midterm elections don't necessarily see the same turnout as in presidential years, you just have to make sure that your people really come out and cast votes for republicans up and down the ballot. >> you look at the issue of

family separations at the border and you look at polling and you see soft support for democrats who are hispanic supporters and that's hardly a monolith and that's the kind of question that you -- we simply don't know, you look at all the media attention and yet he's fading in the polls, has to go on the attack last night against ted cruz. we still have to be skeptical in all our cautions and predictions. >> the next thing you know it, the race for the white house is going to be off and running. the former vice president joe biden who likely will run, told a crowd in michigan that he believes it's a totally legitimate issue to raise in the elections, namely his age. if bide around were to run and win, he would be 78 by the time of the swearing in ceremony. bernie sanders would be 79. michael bloomberg would be 78,

john kerry would be 77. elizabeth warren would be 71. meantime, if president trump wins re-election and he's sworn in on january 20th, 2021, to a second term, he would,74 years old. he would be the oldest person to hold the office. what right now is the issue of age for these democratic presidential contenders? >> there's two ways to look at it. one thought i had is that smart political people always told me elections were about the future. was trump really about the future either in things have changed in a difficult kind of political moment. i do think for democrats, i think joe biden represents a kind of refuge because they want to represent the last war and say oh, yeah he's a guy that could have beat donald trump

better than hillary clinton could have. i feel like that's a safe haven for them at this point in part because they don't know who's going to be raised out of their field. >> there's nobody that's really fashioned themselves as enough of a foil to president trump that they could actually challenge president trump or actually would. kamcamilla harris, cory booker, they don't have an overwhelming coalition of democrats that they're the guaranteed shoe in and the democratic party has not really had that since obama and hillary clinton waiting in the wings. >> he did an interview with forks business, he railed against the new fed chairman jerome powell. >> my biggest threat is the fed because the fed is rasing rates too fast and it's independents, or i don't speak to them, but i'm not happy with what he's doing. >> it's pretty extraordinary for

the president to be railing against the federal reserve. >> yes, traditionally, you don't really do that because it's supposed to be an independent entity, but the president has also railed against the judicial branch who are critical of his opinion as well. so that's not really unique. it's interesting that the president is saying that because he has good economic number to present himself to the country and he's not focusing on hymn as much as you any he might. and he's focusing on the mentality out there and what is changing his ability to do business with a national economy. >> it's a speechless argument and it happens over and over again and i find it really interesting, the president is who runs the fed but is independent, still likes to cast himself as an outsider, who's a captive to washington, not driving it. saying, oh, this is crazy what

they're doing at the fed, what's happening to me. he ee's campaigning against the fed, and he's campaigning like he's still donald trump over in trump tower still an average citizen. >> people tell him don't do it, but he does stuff. he led the investigation into saudi arabia's involvement in 9/11, and up next, former senator bob graham explains why he thinks the u.s. government has been protecting the saudi kingdom for nearly two decades. . and a candid conversation with justice roberts. he talks about his new colleague justice kavanagh and the court's goal to remain independent. vapocool. evers the vaporizing, nightime coughing, aching, stuffy head, best sleep with a cold, medicine.

if you look at saudi arabia, they're an ally and they're a tremendous purchaser of not only military equipment, but other things. when i went there, they committed to purchase $450 billion worth of things. and $110 billion worth of military. those are the biggest orders in the history of this country, probably in the history of the world. i don't think there's ever been any order for 450 billi$450 bil. >> president trump earlier showing full confidence in saudi arabia, defending saudi leaders over the outrage of the killing of "washington post" recorder

jamal khashoggie. senator, thank you so much for joining us. do you think it's conceivable the saudi government could have ordered the killing of jamal khashoggie at the highest levels of the government, whether it be the crown prince or the king? >> i think it would only happen at the highest levels. saudi arabia is very controlled authoritarian state. no individual citizen, no matter how powerful would have taken on the responsibility of killing a person who had such international visibility. >> so when the president throws out the notion of rogue killers, what do you say? >> i think that from what i know, and i know just what you know, wolf, and the other listeners to this program, is that there's a strong scent of suspicion that the saudi

monarchy was responsible for killing the journalist. if that is proven to be the case it will be a very serious incident and will require the united states to stand up for its values of human rights and dignity and institute strong as possible sanctions. >> you've been pushing hard for the entire 9/11 report, the u.s. government's 9/11 investigated report to be made public as far back as 2003, some of it still is classified. i want to play this clip. >> i am calling upon the members of the senate intelligence committee to take the action that they are authorized to take which is to recommend to the full senate that all or a portion of the currently

classify classified information be made available to the american people. there is evidence that there were -- to some of the september 11 hijackers. >> so what lessons from that investigation would be important now to remember with the current situation with saudi arabia? >> there is a price to be paid by subservients to another country and we are paying that price now and have paid it at several critical times over the past now 17 years. i think what we should do is demand of the kingdom of saudi arabia that it release all the information that it has and then put maximum pressure on our government to release ours and let us have the people of this country and of the world

determine who is responsible for 9/11. >> do you think the saudis could do a fair and responsible investigation of what happened in the turkish consulate to jamal khashoggie. >> i think the first respond and the opportunity to get to the truth should be the turks themselves, this did happen in their territory and to one of their citizens, if that investigation is not adequate, because he is not a resident or a citizen of our country, we should undertake to determine the facts of the case. >> jamal khashoggie, not an american, but a turkish citizen

was going to the turkish citizen to get paper work to allow him to get married. he was a formal resident of the youth. how much is at stake right now, senator, in u.s.-saudi relations with this current issue? it's very high, but it's been very high since 9/11 when the first suspicions came that it was saudi arabia not iraq or some other country which was responsible for 9/11. but this is the time to bring th this matter to a head and find out who was responsible and what sanctions should be imposed. >> we'll see what happens in the coming days. senator graham, thank you so much for joining us. and coming up, scare tactics in full force as one cable news host warns americans to vote republicans next monthor be replaced by immigrants.

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the chief justice, john roberts, speaking out for the first time since brett kavanaugh's controversial confirmation to the u.s. supreme court. roberts stressed the need for the court to be independent from political branches of government. >> before we go on to the bench to hear argument in a case and before we go into the conference room to discuss a case, we pause for a moment and shake each other's hand. it's a small thing perhaps, but it a repeis a repeated ind remi

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midterm elections, some scare tactics are in full force. the fox news host laura ingram issued this warning. >> of this, my friends, you can be sure -- your views on immigration will have zero impact and zero influence on a house dominated by democrats, who want to replace you, the american voters, with newly amnestied citizens and an ever increasing number of chain migrants. >> thises s ias a migrant cara leaves honduras and heads to the u.s. border. the president threatened to withhold aid if they did not stop this exodus. leyla, have authorities tried to actually stop this caravan? >> that will be a big question exactly how much they will do to stop this caravan. just in the last half hour, mexico issued a statement in which they say they acknowledge

the freedom for movement among people, but then they sort of laid out a list of requirements, what it will take for mexico to allow these hondurans, who are in guatemala right now, to get into their country, to cross the mexico/guatemala border. so it's sort of a sign that they may be cooperating a little bit with president trump to do something about this caravan. this caravan that according to organizers has anywhere between 3,000 to 4,000 people from honduras, many who will tell you they are fleeing violence, threats against their children, deadly threats. but last week i was on the border, and many of the people, the migrants coming up with also talking about fleeing poverty. so while there's no way to really say that these organizations speak for every single migrant on that caravan, they are certainly making sure to point out the violence that they are fleeing from in

honduras with the hope of getting to the united states. >> we're going to watch that caravan and see where it heads and how it's moving along every step of the way. leyla, thank you very much for that report. you're doing excellent work for all of us. that's it for me. to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'll be back at 5 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. wolf, thank you. i'm brooke baldwin, you're watching cnn. we start with even more details today, the leading suspect in the likely killing of a u.s.-based journalist. as the evidence mounts, so, too, does the president's resistance in believing the saudi government had anything to do with it. sources say turkish investigators are honing in on a saudi officer who reportedly led the torture and murder of "washington post" columnist