this, their story has not changed. the saudi story has, and the trump administration appears to have shifted into crisis mode with even the president acknowledging today that jamal khashoggi is likely dead. with all that said, the breaking news tonight takes everything even further. our nic robertson joins us from istanbul with the latest. according to this reporting, just how soon africa showingi's disappearance did turkish officials likely know she was dead? >> reporter: within about 3 1/2 hours of him going into the consulate. his fiance calls the turnish officials close to president erdogan. he calls around other government officials, including the intelligence community and calls the saudi ambassador in ankara, who denies knowledge of the situation. by this time, it's about 6:00 p.m. in the afternoon. this is about -- a little less than five hours after khashoggi went into the consulate. the intelligence officials begin

reviewing their recordings from inside the consulate that the turkish government has yet to publicly acknowledge exists. they begin reviewing those, and within an hour or so, they come to that conclusion, that khashoggi has been tortured, beaten, tortured, killed, and then dismembered. they immediately inform the police at the airport, saying they fear that's a possibility that khashoggi could be abducted. the police at the airport say they just processed seven saudis who are waiting to get on a private charter jet to fly back to riyadh, a private charter jet that had arrived earlier in the morning. the police at the airport say they have already screened these seven passengers, and their bags and say there's nothing in them to indicate they're trying to take out parts of jamal khashoggi's body. but they also send undercover intelligence operatives dressed as cleaners onto that waiting

jet on the runway in istanbul to check that out and it comes up clean, as well. however, earlier in the afternoon, another private jet chartered by saudis that turkish officials say had some of that hit squad on it, that plane left and didn't get checked. so the timeline is incredibly short. within -- jamal khashoggi goes in at 1:14, and by 6:00, 7:00 p.m. that evening, turnish officials already know what's happened to him. >> what can we say about where this information comes from, because in past days we've heard things in the pro government turkish newspaper and there have been other leaks, where is this information coming from or the best that you can say? >> reporter: so we've pieced this together from multiple

sources. we've taken, you know, a lot of this information has -- we've developed it over a period of time, that we've seen it falling into a pattern. you know, a source was contacted by a source here in turkey, known very well to him, who alerted him that first evening about what was happening. and you piece it together from there. what's been put into the public domain by those leaks into the turkish media, we've gone back to turkish officials and looked at the police report, as well. so this has beenability abili the undercover team going on the plane to check the plane. so this has take an while to build up, but key to all of this is that turkish narrative has been there from the beginning. very quickly, they knew details and they knew those details because of the recordings, again

that they haven't admitted publicly about from inside the consulate and has stayed consistent. we've been able to draw it out from our sources here in detail over a period of time, anderson. >> the turkish government newspaper had several days ago said it was an apple watch that was transmitting information to an iphone that khashoggi's fiance had outside. there's been questions raised about that, whether that in fact was, or were there listening devices that the turks had put inside the saudi embassy. we don't know which is correct. but it's clear, and we've heard this from the beginning, that there does seem to be some sort of audio recording of what went on. i appreciate all the details that you are breaking tonight. shortly before this broke, president trump made news. this afternoon on his way out to air force one, he was asked point blank what happened to jamal khashoggi. >> jamal khashoggi is dead?

>> it certainly looks that way to me. it's very sad. certainly looks that way. >> then another reporter asked what consequences saudi arabia should face it's shown they were responsible. >> well, it will have to be very severe. i mean, it's bad, bad stuff. but we'll see what happens. okay? thank you. >> both statements go beyond what the president has been willing to say up to this point. keeping them honest, it's unclear how much credence to give these new statements, especially the part about severe consequences. nearly everything else the president and his people have been saying suggest that getting tough with the kingdom is the last thing anyone really wants. instead, after days of echoing denials from the saudis, raising the possibility of rogue killers and stressing saudi arabia's importance to the united states and the fact that khashoggi wasn't an american citizen, the administration says it wants to give the saudis more time to investigate. so let me repeat that. time for the saudis, meaning the crown prince, to investigate a

murder and possible dismemberment that he himself or people closely connected to him, may very well be involved with. listen to secretary of state mike pompeo who is just back with meetings from the royals in riyadh what he said about that. >> they made clear to me they understand the serious nature of the disappearance of mr. khashoggi. they also assured me that they will conduct a complete, thorough investigation of all of the facts surrounding mr. khashoggi and they'll do so in a timely fashion. and that this report will be transparent, for everyone to see, ask questions about and i told president trump this morning that we ought to give them a few more days to complete that, so that we too have a complete understanding of the facts surrounding that. >> keeping them honest, it doesn't take a cynic to wonder about the thoroughness, especially the transparency of a saudi investigation, when it's conducted by the prime suspect, a country that has also had a

long history of human rights abuses, a country which publicly beheads people, performs amputations as punishment. so if it seems like what happened to jamal khashoggi actually happened to jamal khashoggi, it would be in line from what we've seen from the kingdom in the past. it also doesn't take a cynic to wonder how cozy secretary pompeo was with the crown prince. an intelligence told us outward appearances notwithstanding, pompeo was stern and told the saudis to own up to their responsibility. and shortly after that, "the new york times," citing a former official briefed on the meeting, reported that no dramatic threats or ultimatums were made during that private meeting. remember, as all this was playing out, we had been treated to a variety of stories from the saudis. first, that khashoggi left the consulate unharmed. then rogue elements may have been involved. now again, according to "the new

york times," something new that saudi rulers are thinking about blaming a top intelligence official close to the crown prince as a way of deflecting blame from the crown prince themselves. their story keeps changing. for more on all this, we're joined by robert jordan, former ambassador to saudi arabia. ambassador, thank you for being with us. i just want to start with this breaking news. it's hard to see that if, in fact, there is audio or even video of what happened here inside the consulate, how the saudis are going to be able to somehow talk their way out of this. >> i don't see how they can possibly talk their way out of the fact that a murder occurred. and a horrific treatment of a decent human being has led to a terribly tragic event. the real question i think is going to be how high up the

chain of command does this go? does it reach the crown prince or not? this is where the tape may well not be conclusive. and so we're going have to find other relevant evidence. the circumstantial evidence, of course, is quite strong. the names that have been listed are close to muhammad ben salman. there are photographs and my guess is that american intelligence can go back to some of their collection and piece together facial recognition, other means of identifying how close to muhammad ben salman were. >> the new york times is reporting that the suddi saudi considering blaming a top intelligence official close to the crown prince. given your knowledge of how saudi arabia works, sit realistic to think that a top intelligence official who is close to the crown prince, would plan something without the crown

prince knowing and be able to freely enter the saudi consulate, commit a murder and a dismemberment, and not have anybody in the saudi consulate apparently raise any questions about it or concerns about it to the crown prince himself? >> absolutely not. i think this is -- i think every analyst who has ever looked at this will tell you the same thing. it's inconceivable that the crown prince would not have known of this kind of a plot. >> how important -- i guess the next question then in terms of saudi relations is how important is the crown prince, who is relatively new to power there, how important is he in the relationship between the united states and saudi arabia, or are there other options of people who could replace him? >> well, there are other options of those who could replace him. many of those, though, have been

cast aside in the palace coup that the crown prince engineered a year or so ago. with the spectacle at the ritz carlton hotel in riyadh, the elbowing aside of the former crown prince and others before him. muhammad ben salman has become quite important to this administration. the relationship with jared kushner is a personal one now. i think this administration has a lot invested in this particular crown prince, which makes it all the harder to suggest that he should not succeed his father. but if you look at the track record of the crown prince, he's presided over one failure after another over the last two years. the war in yemen, the detention of the lebanese prime minister, the blockade of qatar. you can go down the line, and one would ask if this fellow werea applying for a job, what

administration would hire him or give him a promotion? so we have serious reservations about his suitability for the job, and we need to have frank conversations with the saudis how this is going to be handled going forward. >> who would those conversations take place with? i mean, if -- clearly the crown prince would be the person one would have real conversations with, not the king from many reports, you know, the king is not in a state to have those conversations. but if you're -- if you need to have conversations about no longer having muhammad ben salman, i'm not sure he's necessary the go-to person. >> the conversation i would envision is what are your plans for the future? you have to understand that you have placed the united states in a terrible position in this investigation, and this affair that has occurred.

what is your plan for yes, ma'amen? -- plan for yemen? what is your plan for qatar? here's what we have to offer, but we're not going to give you a blank check. this is what i would say calls for a planning conference. we used to have planning conferences, and this is one that is called for. i think it's also imperative that we have an ambassador in reyr riyadh, which we haven't had in this administration, nor one in turkey. so we have to have leadership on the ground. we have to have relationships with these cabinet members, the other senior leadership of saudi arabia. our intelligence people have to become involved. new york i don't think we can simply demand that the crown prince be cast aside. but i think he's demonstrating right now that he needs a lot of guidance along the way. >> frankly, the point you just made is a really important one,

we have no ambassador in vsaudi arabia or in turkey. two years into this stunning thing and would be critical in continued relationships. ambassador jordan, i appreciate your expertise, thank you. joining us now, max boot, recent author of "the corrosion of conservatism, why i left the right." and also with us, former cia officer bob baer. does any of this look good in terms of how the trump administration is handling this. the idea that we need to give the saudis more time for a proper investigation. if the crown prince is run thing investigation, how proper can it be? >> it's like expecting donald trump to investigate himself. there's no robert muler in the kingdom of saudi arabia. there's no rule of law, there's no independent judiciary. it's an absolute monarchry.

so the notion we're going to wait for him to come up with the investigation, that's not an investigation, it's a cover-up. you're seeing the speculation who they're going the cast overboard, which general will get beheaded for an operation that may have been ordered at the top. >> if the crown prince is willing to kidnap the prime minister of lebanon, is willing to, you know, basically get all the other crown princes to step aside to allow him to assume power, and then imprison the top people in saudi arabia and extort money back from them under who knows what sort of duress in the ritz carlson hotel over the course of several weeks or months, why wouldn't he be involved in something like this? >> oh, absolutely, anderson. he was involved. the fact that four members of his security detail went to istanbul, participated in the murder. there's no way he doesn't know about it.

that's no way that he can investigate this himself. at this point, they can blame general asiri, who is apparently involved in this. but no one is going to buy it. everybody in the kingdom knows that he ordered this impulsively. a lot of princes now recognize him to be a psychopath, dangerous. he's che he's clearly somebody that cannot succeed his father. he's the absolute ruler now, but he cannot spend the next 60 years on the throne, because he will destabilize saudi arabia, no doubt about this. there's a consistent story coming out about this, very dangerous. and clearly he's got to go. the trump administration has got to come one a plan. we have a lot of influence in saudi arabia, a lot of princes know people in this town in washington. and they are looking for leadership from the united states. the fact that jared kushner has a personal relationship with mbs

is not doing any good at all. it makes people wonder what's going on here. so we need to shift policy here in washington as soon as possible. >> you wonder about the confidence that if mbs in fact ordered this and sent his henchmen, his thugs to be involved in this, and sent this forensic surgeon with a bone saw, the confidence that he had in his relationship with jared kushner and the united states, that they would get away with this, that -- yeah, you can dismember "washington post" columnist and the u.s. isn't going to do anything about it. >> i think that's exactly right, anderson. what that points to is this shameful mishandling of our relationship with saudi arabia by the trump administration, and in particular, by crown prince jared kushner. it's like one crown prince to the other, both guys in their

30s with few qualifications for this job. basically, jared kushner made this bold gamble that he was going to place all his chips on saudi arabia, and not protest too much when they're bombing yemen and killing children or not protest when they're kidnapping the lebanese prime minister. in return, he's got all these grandiose hopes, for example, saudi support for a peace plan. it's more than high time to revoke the blank check that the trump administration has given to saudi arabia. one of the problems with nepotism. you have somebody who is the sown or son-in-law of the kings and they can't be removed. but jared kushner, i can't think of a single thing he's done right and he's done a lot of things wrong in office. so it's imperative to get an adult in charge of dealing with saudi arabia and lay down the law to them in a way that trump

and kushner are very reluctant to do. >> bob, it is about interesting comparison that he makes between kushner and salman. salman is a different personality type, but this sort of insular family-run dynamic, and that seems to be the basis of the relationship. >> well, exactly. max is 100% right. this is a catastrophe. mbs does not understand the world. he looks at the united states as saudi arabia owns it because it sends it so much money. he believes he owns trump because the saudis invested in his properties. of course, that's not true. but when you have this naive view of the world, it's going to end up in a catastrophe. this is why i say that he needs to be removed and we need to work with the royal family and there are princes ready to step up inside salman's family and

talk the father out of supporting the father. whether the father, who is only lucid a couple hours a day, will agree is another matter. >> and the decimation of the state department and the gaping holes in the leadership at the state accident with no ambassador to turkey, there's a reason there are such things ambassadors do have a role to play in a crisis like this. bob, appreciate it. max boot, as well. up next, more breaking news. the latest about the shouting match that erupted at the white house and what all the shouting was about. later, former presidential candidate carly fiorina joins us. she reacts to the president's latest verbal attack on stormy daniels, and new reporting that the president road tested the horseface insult before he tweeted it. this place isn't for me.

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it's a night of breaking news. president trump may be on the road tonight in montana, but chances are the halls are still echoing from the arguments that broke out in the hall. john kelly and john bolton got into a shouting match. and this one apparently stood out. so what have you learned about the details of this? >> reporter: it got pretty ugly today. this is a pretty divisive west wing. people regularly argue. but there was something different about this argument today john kelly and john bolton today. it came about when they were discussing the surge in border crossings, something that has infuriated president trump. it got ugly between bollton and kelly, essentially startling

their colleagues in the west wing who are used to fighting. they say this was different. we're told john kelly got the angriest when john bolton made a remark about the dhs secretary saying she needed to do her job over at dhs while they were talking about these border crossings, and that set john kelly off. kirsten nelson, he brought her to the west wing with him. and he was the won who convinced president trump to put her in to lead dhs. but the question is, this has sparked resignation fears. people think that john kelly could resign over this argument, and that it was so bad, one person equated it to a falling out, and said they were worried he could resign any minute now. >> do we know what the disagreement revolved around? was it just around secretary neilson, whether she was doing a good job or not? >> reporter: the president denied knowing about the screaming match, but sources

said president trump was there for the beginning of it and he sided with john bolton because he agrees that he doesn't think kirstjen nielsen is doing enough at dhs. president trump essentially dressed her down at a cabinet meeting, saying she needed to do her job, echoing what john bolton was saying today. so it's a feud that's existed between john kelly and john bolton, but so far we've never seen it play out in the public like this. >> what did the white house have to say about this? >> the white house didn't say anything for a few hours, then sarah sanders said while we are passionate about solving the issue of illegal immigration, we are not angry at one another. however, we are furious at the failure of congressional democrats to help us address this growing crisis. so she's trying to turn it around there on democrats, but she doesn't, if you notice in the first line, deny that this happened. >> this is a nondenial denial. >> reporter: exactly.

>> stay with us. i want to bring in two of the loudest people i know, david gergen, and kirsten powers. so david, what does it say two of the president's top aides were arguing so intensely outside the oval office, is that -- i mean, is that normal having worked in white houses? >> no. i think when bob woodward turns his hardback into a paperback, he's going to have plenty of material for a postscript about the chaos in the white house. we have two very strong willed individuals here, who have been used to asserting themselves and everybody else getting out of the way and letting them have their way. and now they're clashing, and it's not totally surprising, the issues surrounding the borders are getting sharper. president trump clearly wants to turn the border question into a midterm elections issue over the next couple of weeks, and he

wants to crack down on it. i think general kelly is trying to protect his protege as well as disagreeing with the hardline that bolton wants to take. i don't think he'll resign in the near term, but he could well be close to the door by the end of the year. >> it's interesting, because it was john kelly as head of homeland security who was talking about more than a year ago i think it was about looking at separating families as a way to deter people from coming across. so it's not as if he's not a hardliner on immigration. >> that's the first thing that jumped out to me about it, is the idea that -- i'm not sure what they would disagree on in terms of substance. unless it's about, you know, i don't know how you can be more hardliner than john kelly i guess is the bottom line, unless the argument is how they should be using this issue for the midterms, which would be a more

political question. but it's hard to imagine that people would get that upset and that angry over that kind of conversation. it suggests that something else was going on. yes, there's yelling in white houses sometimes. i think when it gets to the level that it's getting leaked first of all, and whether there's profanity, i think we're getting into something where you have, you know, the reporting of people saying that they were sort of alarmed by what was happening. so it's not just your typical argument in the white house. and so it just makes me extra curious about what it was they were arguing about. >> it's also interesting, the notion that the president may want to focus on border issues coming before the midterms, because he feels that's a winning issue for republicans. given the negative feedback over the whole family separations, and the tact thfact that the wh house -- there are still kids who have not been reunited, who

are living in camps in the united states. and this hasn't been much attention on it over the last several weeks. it's interesting that the president seems to want to refocus attention on that. >> reporter: yeah, it's a big sore point for this administration to talk about that separation policy. some people said that was some of the worst weeks working in this administration because of the backlash, not just from democrats but republicans, too. but plump resident trump is sta to think he can have republicans keep the house. he seems to have been energized. he himself seems to have been energized since that brett kavanaugh fight, and he brings up things like immigration, and you've seen that with tweets like closing the southern border, but talking about caravans coming up to the southern border. so that's why it was a discussion, that it facilitied that a fight like this could break out. but how could john kelly and john bolton agree over

immigration. a lot of it goes back to secretary nielsen and what john bolton said about her. he was really empowered as a national security adviser about didn't have to answer to john kelly like we saw h.r. mcmaster do. >> we've heard repeatedly that president trump doesn't mike arguments. but at what point, i'm not sure that's really point, but at what point does it start to negatively impact governing? >> oh, i think if you have a situation that basically bolton and kelly aren't speaking to each other, that would definitely hamper the internal operations of the white house. i do think there's a new element here, anderson, since we last visited this question, and that is that president trump has introduced the notion of sending troops to the border. u.s. troops. that is something general kelly, coming out of his military background, is likely to oppose very strenuously.

but we have this caravan coming up from about 4,000 now, who have left honduras and coming through guatemala up to the u.s. border. if the president wants to order troops to the border, this border, before the midterms, i could easily see that. what has been missing, if i may just add one quick postscript in all of this is a conversation about how to keep people home in central america instead of streaming out of there. and the administration ought to be talking to the incoming president of mexico, who will be sworn in, in early december. he wants to create more jobs in central america that keeps people there. that's been effective in some parts of mexico in reducing the numbers coming across our border illegally. there's just simply no caring, if anything, donald trump wants to reduce our assistance to central america, which is only going to make the problem worse. >> kirsten, i've talked to people who know a lot about the border, who work on the border, who work in various u.s.

officials who do talk about focusing a lot on, you know, a marshal plan for central america to prevent people from coming, to give them opportunities to fight crime, but to david's point, that doesn't seem to be a message that the white house itself is focusing on. >> no, not at all. yeah, there's a reason people come to this country. yes, this is a great country, but they're fleeing bad situations, whether it's economic deprivation or violence. and so unless you address that problem, you're not going to stop people from coming over the border. but look, i think donald trump likes to talk about immigration purely as a political issue. he likes it as an issue that has racial overtones, that he can get his base riled up over, and he doesn't seem that interested in solving the problem to help the people that are affected by this. >> thank you all. tonight, the daily beast is reporting that president trump actually previewed his horseface

remark about stormy daniels with friends and advisers before actually posting it to kind of see how it played. it's far from the first time he's made disparaging remarks focusing on a woman's appearance. up next, i'll talk to former presidential candidate carly fiorina. she breaks her silence on the latest name calling.

the daily beast is reporting that president trump's use of the phrase "horseface" a couple of days argue, referring to the adult film actress stormy daniels was not an actress, and in fact it was road tested with friends and advisers he thought it was politically brilliant. this is what he posted about

daniels after a judge dismissed her defamation lawsuit. "great, he said, now i can go after horseface and her third rate lawer in the great state of texas. she will confirm the letter that was signed. she knows nothing about me. a total con." it's far from the first time he's derided a woman's appearance in public. when he was running for president in 2016 against a crowded field of republican opponents, he had this to say about carly fiorina, the former ceo who was running against him. "look at the face, would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that, the face of our next president?" carly fiorina is still active in leadership conferences and hasn't spoken about that horseface remark until now. i spoke with her just before air time. i wonder based on your own experience, what goes through your mind when you hear to him refer to a woman as horseface? >> on the one hand, here he goes again. on the other hand, when people

were shocked at donald trump's comments about my appearance, i wasn't. because he wasn't the first man to make comments about my appearance, positive or negative. and he won't be the last man to do so. i also want to distinguish between the office of the presidency and the person who is in that office. there's no doubt that the office of the presidency is diminished when the occupant engages in this kind of insult over twitter. on the other hand, when i think about the people involved here, stormy daniels, her lawyer, donald trump, i honestly think they're all birds of a feather. they're all in show business. and so while she's talking about his private parts, he's talking about her face, and they're all getting a lot of publicity. >> it's interesting this reporting that the president actually kind of trial ballooned the insult to white house aides before he actually tweeted it, that he put kind of the forethought into these insults.

i'm not sure what that says, but to me it was interesting that it wasn't just a spur of the moment thing. >> oh, i'm quite sure he did put thought into it. i think the habit of insulting one's political enemies is, unfortunately, longstanding in this country. and he has brought it to a new low, a fine art, whatever you would like to say. there's no question that in politics, personal insults work. and they rile people up. and she is his adversary right now, and i'm sure there are a lot of people who like him taking a shot at her. i'm not one of them. i think it diminishes the office and it's underneath him and diminishes all women. but it works with some people. >> does it frustrate you that there seems to be on the republican side a fair number of women supporters who seem to be okay with the president saying these things, or is that people just making a political decision based on, you know, they like

the agenda, and therefore, they're willing to overlook things. >> well, i think there are some people, women or men, who are not willing to overlook things. i think there are others who make their decisions based on his agenda or policies. but i'll tell you honestly, anderson, what i'm more concerned about. what i'm more concerned about in all this talk is that we have made very little progress in terms of representation of women or people of color in positions of influence and impact in leadership over the last 25 years. there are fewer women ceos in the fortune 500 than there are men named james. we haven't made enough progress. so while i think it's important that we focus on the talk, because language has an impact, and being disrespectful never helps a situation. i think we also need to focus on the startling reality that we're not making much progress in

terms of toxic work cultures or the abuse of women or the underrepresentation of women and people of color in positions of impact and influence. >> i think it's such an important part. i was talking to the ceo of deloitte, who is a female, and she was saying -- we were discussing not only the small percentage of ceos who are women of fortune 500 companies, but people on boards of fortune 500 companies. >> yes. in fact, the number is less than 20% of women on boards today. and that number, less than 20%, has not moved in 25 years. and yet in that same 25-year period, record numbers of women have gone to business school and gone on to have careers. so there's something else going on here besides insulting language. although insulting language certainly doesn't help. >> looking to the midterms to this point we've been talking about, there are a record number of women running for house and

senate seats. a large minority are democrats. why do you think there aren't more republican women candidates out there running for these seats? >> you know, one of the things that i really regret is that women -- women's issues, has gotten politicized. that's a shame. i applaud any woman who runs for office. but truthfully, when i ran for office, there were many women who said i was an offense to women, because i didn't share the agenda of a lot of the organizations, women's organizations that happen to be left leaning or democrat. and so i do think that we ought to just acknowledge that when women are half the population, we have the same amount of diversity in our views as men do. so it's raunrealistic to expect all women to be democrats or agree with a democrat agenda. i don't.

and it's therefore, not fair to condemn women who are conservatives or republicans, because they happen to be republicans or conservatives. >> carly fiorina, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. president trump is once again on the campaign trail. i'm going to speak to john king about the president's packed rally schedule and its potential impact on midterm voters. roars) i think it will fit. ♪ want a performance car that actually fits your life? introducing the new 2019 ford edge st. capability meets power. in the first suv from the ford performance team. the new 2019 ford edge st. chloe. ♪ she's so cute. ♪

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just 19 days until the midterm elections. tonight, you're looking live as president trump is speaking in montana, his third visit there seasons july. republicans badly want to defeat senator jon tester. john king joini joins us now. walk us through this. >> the president out west for three states. part of what republicans hope is the great exception this year. they think, even through all this talk of a blue wave, that they cannot only hold but add to the senate majority. you mentioned the president in montana. we still lean it blue in favor of jon tester. but even democrats acknowledge his lead is tiny at best, that the republican has closed within striking distance. democrats say the president can help. senator tester took the lead in opposing dr. ronny jackson to take over the department of veterans affairs. the president may go back a

fourth time. then the president goes to nevada. this is the senate's most vulnerable republican income danlt, dean heller he's decided he's all in with the president. in vegas, the president will be in the western part of the state. dean heller making the bet, turn out the trump base. the most recent interesting. president is also going to arizona. this race another toss up. momentum in the summer. mcsally pulled even. her campaign nervous about the president coming. big pro trump base on immigration, but mcsally thinks the latino population is not as energized as they have been. they have failed to energize latinos. they think the president can do that. but the president is going and we'll see if you look at this map, if the republicans can

somehow get all three of those race, i want to show you something, this would take it away. if the republicans can get these races, bam, not only do they hold the majority, they would add to it out there if they can do that, especially because of the momentum in north dakota. democrats cannot afford to lose the races. >> and obviously, there are places where the president is not so popular. what's the flip side? >> so the president is focusing mostly on senate races. i'll bring the house map. if you look at the races you won't see the president in the northeast or mid atlanta, he is going back to the midwest. democrats think they can get the 23 house seats they need just there, maybe even more, mostly more sub buurban districts wher the president numbers are toxic. >> thanks very much. i'll check in with chris. >> a lot of talk about the caravan from president trump as you know this mass of humanity coming up through central america towards the united

states. we believe they are headed this way. we don't know exactly their destination. the president is making a big deal of this. and i believe, anderson, this is a formative issue fort midterms. because i don't see it as a security or economic issue. i see it as a cultural issue. definitional. will mercury maim symbolic or will that change? because trump is making determinations. he even said at the rally he was at the election is about the caravan. you know what i mean. you know what i mean. we'll take that on tonight. and we have an insider who is going to tell us that what happened to khashoggi is not usual. -- unusual. he has a client with similar story. >> thanks. we'll see you again. up next, president trump intervened to block headquarters to protect hotel just across the street. details on that just ahead. with such a long history, it's easy to trust geico! thank you todd. it's not just easy.

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there is a fight over the future home of the fbi. president trump wants to keep it in washington. but democrats are asking if dishing plans to move it is to boost business for president trump washington hotel. now on this now. >> reporter: out dated, plans to rebuild fbi headquarters has been in the works for years with government studies showing how it can be moved from downtown d.c. to one of several possible sites in maryland or virginia. the cost, 3.6 billion tax dollars. but now a different plan is calling for the fbi center to be rebuilt right where it is, even though it would be smaller than the suburban alternative, likely security risks, and more expensive. $3.8 billion. so who came up with that? >> i'm a real estate guy. i build buildings. >> reporter: study by the inspector general of the general

services administration traces a series of meetings in which the plan was pushed aside from the trump administration making claims that keeping it downtown would be cheaper. we show that the math is wrong. meanwhile press secretary sara sanders insists the president wanted to save the government money and also the leadership did not want to move the headquarters. skeptics, however, suspect a hidden motive. for years donald trump had been all for freeing up that fbi land downtown for private development with his brand new hotel close by, even talking about getting in on the action. but congressional democrats in a letter to the gsa says something important changed. after he sworn in as president and became ineligible to obtain the property, he reportedly became dead opposed to the government selling the property i would would have allowed commercial developers to compete

directly with the trump hotel. waste directly involved with the decision to abandon the long-term relocation plan and instead move ahead with the more expensive proposal. there is no proof so far, and the white house insists, once again house democrats have it all wrong. but those democrats are demanding the paperwork to prove it. >> the government won't turn over the information on the president's exact reasoning. why is the president doing this? >> tom, is this any reason to doubt the white house explanation on this? >> there were certain instances where the white house was trying to hide or disguise the president's input on this. and to say no, no, no it's all about the fbi and these other agencies. everybody else made the decision. he didn't really do t although there were indications he was absolutely involved in the conversations and he was absolutely interested in that

property when he was a private businessman. and it is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. so when all that money is on the table, doesn't mean they are not telling the truth. but that's the reason people are at least suspicious, anderson. >> yeah, tom, thanks very much. news continues want to hand it over to chris, cuomo continues now. >> thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo. the white house says you got it more time. why? reportedly the saudi want to ex-pla inthat as botched interrogation. that notion bothered us. how can you see something so heinous as nearly board. we did some digging and uncovered a long dark history of disappearing saudi dissidents. we have a key interview with an insider who says they can expose the truth. and the president is raging against the caravan of migrants heading this way as if it were a ma rodding herd according to

him. he says they are the