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businessman. and it is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. so when all that money is on the table, doesn't mean they are not telling the truth. but that's the reason people are at least suspicious, anderson. >> yeah, tom, thanks very much. news continues want to hand it over to chris, cuomo continues now. >> thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo. the white house says you got it more time. why? reportedly the saudi want to ex-pla inthat as botched interrogation. that notion bothered us. how can you see something so heinous as nearly board. we did some digging and uncovered a long dark history of disappearing saudi dissidents. we have a key interview with an insider who says they can expose the truth. and the president is raging against the caravan of migrants heading this way as if it were a ma rodding herd according to him. he says they are the key to the
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midterms. you better hope not because no data suggests he has failed at a signature promise to reduce illegal entries. a development that is in the west wing. reportedly chief of staff john kelly and john bolton went at it. we have the latest on what caused the blow up and whether a resignation is on the way. what do you say? let's get after it. far too few answers have emerged in the two weeks since jamal khashoggi disappearance. the president only now admitting to the "washington post" actually admitting that "the washington post" colinist umis likely dead. >> do you think jamal khashoggi is dead? >> it certainly looks that way to me. it's very sad. certainly looks that way. >> what are you considering for possible consequences for saudi based on those? >> well, it will have to be very severe. i mean, it's bad, bad stuff. but we'll see what happens.
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>> sudden change in tune came after secretary of state mike pompeo briefed trump following his meeting with saudi and turkish officials. the two are still keeping mum on details. with poim allegedly pushing president trump to give saudi arabia a few more days to investigate what happened. but as shocking and grizzly the possible details seem to be, they are less shocking to say those who say they know what the saudis are capable of, especially with their enemies. my next guest is it an attorney. his former client remains missing to this day. clyde berg is his name. sir, thank you for joining us. >> you're welcome, chris. >> you know, when we found you, we had been looking into this idea of botched, it's such an innocuous way to look at something so horrible. but it's not that odd if it's looking at a practice that they do often. and that it's something that they usually get right.
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and this time went wrong. you know that to be the reality. how? >> well, i met prince sultan bin turkey in boston, actually, i'm an attorney in boston,actually it was 2012, and he was here since 2010. he had been hospitalized for the a vie and flu and came from saudi arabia to the boston general hospital on and off with a brief visit back to saudi arabia, he was here for nearly five years. >> okay. >> in various hospitals. so when i got to know him, got to represent him, he told me about an abduction that had occurred in geneva, excuse me,
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yeah, in geneva in 2003. >> of him? >> in june of 2003. of him. >> why? >> because he felt he didn't have a lot to live for. at that point he was pretty much paralyzed in his legs. he was in neurotic pain. he was on pain meds. and he needed something to live for. he's a very strong, but giving and friendly man. >> why were they out to get him? >> well, he had been critical of the kingdom as he told me. from not only him but from others, when he was in geneva between october 2002 and june of 2003, criticisms involving human rights, economic reforms. he was told to stop it. >> sounds very familiar with what we are living through right now. >> yes. and he was told to come back to
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saudi arabia. he said no. his cousin, the favored son of then king fad invited had imto the kings residence in geneva, and all of this is coming from not just prince sultan, but from his security guards that were there and others that i spoke to over time. >> what happened in geneva? >> well, he described in that he had been invited there by the shiek as well as his cousin prince abdul bin fad the favorite son, as i understand it, of the king, as well as shiek sa lay, the minister of islamic affairs. he went to the king's residence. and he describes that five men, they excused themselves, five men with their heads covered in
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black scar haves came in, took him off the couch, threw him to the ground. he was, a needle was injected into his neck from which he suffered a paralysis of his diaphragm, eventually one side. he was intubated. there was a doctor present. so not -- >> gave him a breathing tube? >> not a pathologist. but an actual doctor. >> pathologist, that's what we heard about with jamal khashoggi here it was a doctor and they gave him a breathing tube. >> they gave him a breathing tube. apparently in a military style operation as he informed me, brought to a plane at geneva airport, taken to king fisa hospital, intubated. i've seen the medical records. i have the medical records. they reflected he arrived intubated because of respiratory distress that occurred in geneva and he need today be intubated.
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so rather than take him two blocks to university hospital, major hospital in geneva where he was a patient, they took him to kings fastal hospital. they kept him on house arrest. he was in and out of jail. in and out of house arrest. when they finally let him have his phone back, he got in touch with bbc and complained about his abduction. so he was put back as he described to me in jail, and then house arrest, and learned his lesson until he got the a vee and flu in 2010. thought he was going to die, comes to boston, spends years here. i meet him and he says i got to do something about this. as you can imagine, i was concerned when i heard what had happened before, you know. if you file a criminal complaint in geneva, aren't you concerned you are going to be abducted
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again? >> right. >> i made sure he understood the risks. he understood the risks. >> what happened? >> so a criminal complaint was filed. i found a very competent trial attorney in geneva. and we filed a complaint in november of 2014 in geneva against his cousin and the minister. and, frankly, very little happened after it was filed. it was very frustrating. i think you can speak to attorney dupree from geneva, and he would tell you the same thing. >> where is he now, the prince? >> well, the prince now is abducted again. >> how this time? >> january of 2016 he w was abducted along with about 18
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people. he got on a plane that was a saudi plane with a manifest to go visit his father in cairo. and i was in touch with him in the days before and in the months before, and that plane that had a manifest as i learned from his security team, from germany, that he used, had a manifest to go to cairo and had, as we've all seen when you are on a plane, and there is a flight map showing it's going to cairo, then it went dark a couple of hours later and they landed in riyadh. >> saudi arabia. >> and they landed in saudi arabia. he was taken out screaming, go to the press, go to the embassy. among the people that went and were taken involuntarily to saudi arabia were u.s. citizens.
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so they were collateral. it was necessary to abduct u.s. citizens collaterally to get what they wanted to do to get him back. and he had refused to drop this criminal complaint. >> tan that was it? you've never heard from him again? >> i have not heard from him again. i had his cell number. he had mine. i actually got a call from the number of the entourage just as they were getting on to the plane, when i found out was a saudi plane, i said put the prince on this is ridiculous. but it was too late. >> and what do you think happened to him? do you have any reason to believe that he's other alive or dead? >> well, he -- i understand from people that were there that i've spoken to, and i've spoken to a number of them and i was communicating with the security team through an encrypted service called the wire while they were being kept. he was being kept i understood
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at the time with n- a villa with security guards surrounding him. he needed around the clock nursing care. so he had the nursing care for a while. eventually after three days, passports were returned, phones were returned. these passports were removed from u.s. citizens. >> we never heard about it. >> so they are not free to leave. how come you haven't heard about it? >> yeah. >> the bbc did a documentary about it called the missing princes. and he's not alone. there are other princes apparently that the bbc investigated along with prince sultan. >> i know the princes, i get them. i'mization united states citizens. how come we didn't hear that united states citizens were taking? is that in the documentary? >> i don't know that there were people that were hidden. and i'm not going to disclose any names because they do not want their names disclosed.
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>> right. >> people are afraid. >> well, you are coming forward despite your reservations about this and putting this information out there and what it could mean that attachments to the crown were more than capable of reaching out and touching somebody, not once, but twice, and doing it in a way that is frighteningly familiar to the story we are all following right now. >> well, it seems that if you are critical of the kingdom and you are a saudi citizen, even if you are a grandson of the king, first king, that you're not protected. that they will do what they need to do to silence critics. if you are a member of the royal family, apparently you are hopefully kept alive. i mean i would like to challenge this administration to find out what happened to prince sultan.
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they apparently have a close relationship with the king and crown prince. they know where prince sultan is. grant access. >> they could ask. i mean it gets a little complicated because they really don't have any connection to the prince other than a human rights political issue. but we have to take one disappearance at a time this has been really helpful because this idea that it was botched we didn't mean it this way, we would never do anything like that, now you have to put that in doubt seeing how they certainly have done it before. clyde berg stressor, thank you very much. i'm sorry that you had to come across this experience and knowledge the way you have. >> you're welcome. >> all right. all right. another big story, a caravan of migrants draws closer to america. and the president is threatening to seal the border. he likes to stoke fear that this caravan, they want to come here
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thousands of people on its way from honduras. now legally they are allowed to request asylum in this country. doesn't mean they can deserve it but they can ask. i'm going to leave tt images playing on the wall. please don't see these people as trump does, monsters on the march. see them as they are. desperate, leaving behind whatever they had and whomever they knew, all for a better chance at life, a real life. trump seems to see them as the walking dead. this walking treat. especially to his posture as mr. tough guy on the border. as border patrol agents have told me many times, we are not a wall away from stopping this problem. tan this problem really isn't about people being drug dealers, gang rapers and rapists. all that bad stuff comes across no doubt. but over all study after study has shown that immigrants are spnl for less crime than the rest of us. and criminals don't usually form
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caravans, fyi. these people are fleeing people to trying to get to a country with more jobs than workers. the united states. just two days ago trump's own department of labor announced the number of open jobs in in country tops seven million. all right. most of those jobs are in industries that should matter politically to trump, farming, construction, just to name a few. this is not what trump wants you to know. he needs a boogie man so he can stoke anger and find a way to be a hero. so faced with the new data that he is not stopping illegal entries and that a big group is coming, no that the illegal entries is up under his watch, he's doing the only thing he knows what to do, he's attacking. on tuesday he said he would cut off aid to honduras. what else did he say? he made the same threat in the
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spring that went no where. by tuesday night he was going after guatemala and el salvador. he also somehow blaming the democrats threatening now to seal the entire border. immigration is argued as an economic and security issue. let's be real. at bottom, you know what it is, it's a culture issue. it's about what america is. it's definitional. trump wants to limit legal immigration as well as illegal. demonize people from the south. and idolize norwegians. trump's adviser, many of his defenders, they say the new coloss sas, the words holding up lady liberty are merely that, not policy. they are wrong. those words were chosen because they defined this place. if trump gets his way, lifting her lamp beside the golden door
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country by guatemala, honduras and el salvador adding he must strongest of terms ask mexico to stop the onslaught and if not i'll call up the military and close the border. cloegs the border would be near impossible task. so is the president once again talking tough. is this a way to stoke anger for the midterms or is it something more? let's put it to the great debrat, christine quinn and rick santorum. what do you think rick is this a winning proposition for the president to say here they come? this is the example of the problem coming this way. we got to stop them. will that bring your people to the polls? >> well, there is a great concern about illegal immigration. you've made it sound like the president is against all immigration. the president is not against all immigration. >> he does want to reduce illegal immigration. >> some forms of it. >> many forms of it. >> okay the lottery and chain
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migration which have bipartisan support. so the idea that the president has some radical view of immigration policy is absolutely not true. he has a view that used to be the democrat view. >> really? >> absolutely. if you zb back to the clinton administration, barbara jordan had a commission that she chaired where she said very clearly that the american public has a right to control its border and limit illegal immigration. >> i don't think anybody is saying that's what the proposition is. christine, do you believe the democrats saying forget about illegal immigration, it's about legal? we don't want anymore people from crappy countries. we want more. and by the way our boy santorum is not getting any either. >> i only remember biehl clinton not talking about norwegians. that fact is not true. >> read the report. >> but let's talk about what's happening here. we have people fleeing honduras
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from cities that have the worst murder rate in the country. fleeing gangs who are extorting them in their own neighborhoods. fleeing completely impoverished conditions in many places with not enough food or water to drink. an and they are coming here knowing well that they may not get in. but looking for an opportunity to stand before an american judge and make their case for asylum because they are refugees fleeing the worst violence in the world. potentially. and the question is, is america going to look in the eyes of those women and children, the same types of women and children that we ripped babies out of the mother's hands, are we going to look at them and tell them that their fear, their fligplight, t potential murder they are facing is not important to us because of the color of their skin and where they come from? i don't believe that's the america i'm a part of. i don't believe that's the america that welcomes my
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grandparents from ireland without any jobs skills and not a penny in their pocket. that's not america. and real america can't look these women and children in the eye and say go back and die. >> rick, what's the counter? >> and that's the question a lot of americans have concerns about. because if you use the standard that christine just outlined there are literally billions of people that fit that description. billions of people that fit that description around the world. so the answer is if any of them can somehow find their way to the border of the united states, we need to accept them. and the reality is americans are very generous people. but the reality is we cannot accept hundreds of millions or billions of people who fit christine's description showing up on our border demanding that they be let into in country, participate in all of the health care systems, free health care, because if you show up at a hospital in america, they don't ask questions, you get free health care, free education which is also the case in this country and a bunch of other services. >> they are not entering. they are asking. there is a difference.
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>> we are talking about people who tried to get into this country illegally. >> no, we are not. >> we are not. >> the caravan of people illegal trying to get into this country. >> hold on a second. rick, how do you know the people coming from honduras are already illegally when they haven't entered? >> and know they are going before the judge? >> are you suggesting there are legal immigrants? have approved status to come into this country legally? and they are in the caravan? i don't think so, chris. >> let me ask, is it illegal to come to the border without any papers or authorization and ask to enter? is it illegal? >> it's not el legal. >> so then they are not illegal entrants at this point. >> but no one had permission to come to this country at this point. >> but you are not doing something illegal if you come without permission. you can make your case and you can be accepted or denied. true or false? >> and of course what happens when people come into this country and ask for asylum, they go through the process, then they don't show up. >> here's what i know. >> and end up.
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>> that is true but not as true as you say it is. and with remediation programs you have the number up over 80% of people showed up. and by the way by the same as people show up for all desk appearances. but i want to ask you something else. here's what i have a problem w let's say we pass a law. and they pass a law that is clearly designed to stop specific folks from coming into the country. and let's say we have a law like that and they say people from that part of the world can't come in. >> no one is suggesting. >> the president has. >> no he hasn't. >> he said we need better laws that encourage more people. >> all he's talked about is making sure we don't have folks that will do danger to this country, come from countries that have high rates of activity that can be dangerous to our count country and tried to limit that immigration. >> what did he say we can't have more people from norway? >> he said he wanted a particular type of people. >> but the words of the president. >> that was a stupid statement and we brush it aside.
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>> what if he punched someone in the face in a debate and say that was a weak judgment and not judge it? >> are you suggesting that the president doesn't make weak statement sns. >> you have to own them and not brush them aside and create policy he doesn't believe in. >> and there are statements made by a man who put in place a policy of taking children away from their parents at the border, children who are still being detained, children who still can't be reunited with their parents. >> children who sign away their own rights at five by the way. >> so brushing off what they president says around immigration is a reckless thing to do, because his actions match his words. the other thing, rick you are doing is what a lot of trump supporters do making a caravan of hundreds of people to stoke people into the american public. >> so do you limit it at 4,000?
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do you limit it at 10,000? million 1234 where would you limit it? >> you do it case by case. >> but how many should we allow? >> i'm not going to put a number. >> how many have come into this country legally? how many come into this country legally? do you know that number? >> do you know the number. >> i'm not going to put a flat number. >> do you know the number, christine? >> tell her the numeric. >> the number is a million people coming in illegally. >> you know what, rick, i'm not going to put the number. >> there is it unlimited. then you said you are trying to stoke fear. >> we need to write now right n focusing on the president to make the people who are coming into criminals. >> people who break the law are criminals. >> that's true people who break
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the law are criminals. >> and these individuals are not breaking the law. they are coming to the border seeking asylum. >> that's true too. >> and willing to go through the process. and the president has turned them into criminals and turned the back at the statue of liberty. >> we don't know. >> you can't judge them before they do it. the president. >> we know that in most of the cases, you even said chris most of these people coming because of economic hardship. >> true. >> that is not a reason. >> and violence. >> you cannot get into this country because of economic hardship. >> that's true. the left seems at least rhetorically. on the other side, rick, you got to think about it, because if they pass something that's like the 1921 emergency quota acted again, and i went back and looked tell history of that. >> targeted your relatives and
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my relatives. >> and i'll tell you what the legislation sounded just like today. >> it was horrible. >> and it's today. >> it was our forbearers from coming in so you have to be careful. >> italians and jews. >> we are very close to that now. >> i disagree with that. >> the rhetoric is the same. who is being targeted is different. but the rhetoric is the same. >> i'll show you the legislative history given where we'd come from. christine, santorum, thank you very much, rick, appreciate having you here. >> thank you. >> so the president has threatened mexico as part of his stop the caravan because you heard what he wants you to believe is among his population. wouldn't you like to know what mexico's response is? what they think about that? we never hear that. we went and we have the ambassador right there to give us some answers, next.
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federal police planes landing at the mexico guatemala border to address the migrant caravan heading for the united states. trump is ex-orting mexico to stop the caravan from making it to the u.s. military. he even said he would use military to stop them. he also said he would up end the new trade deal with mexico. he also said he would stop any aide to central american countries if they don't disband there caravan. so is this mexico's fault?
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can they stop the caravan? should they stop the caravan? mexico ambassador to the u.s. is geronimo gutierrez and he joins me now. mr. ambassador, thank you. >> thank you very much chris it's nice to be here and your practice many. >> the pleasure is mine. there is word that maybe there is a deal struck between u.s. and mexico. do you know any such thing? >> no, chris, last week we had had an important conference here in washington d.c. that was coconvened by mexico and the united states inviting the central american countries to address precisely these type of issues. and if there was something clear about that conference it's that we need to work on two tracks. one is we need to address the development in la way that people are not forced to migrate. and we also need to make sure that laws are enforced and that we address security. and what we do with the united states and our central american partners is precisely that.
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that is, in my view, the way to approach this type of phenomenal. >> but there is no deal that you no he about that happened very recently where mexico and the u.s. made ha deal what to do with this caravan? >> no, we work very closely with the united states government in addressing our shared objectives regarding regional migration. >> right. >> and we obviously have an important and ongoing agenda on security. the reason steps taken by the mexican government are the result of our own policy and our own immigration policy. we just recently announced, the mexican government announced that we have requested the intervention of the u.n., the office of the high commissioner on refugees, to help us review as a result of this caravan, to help us review the asylum requests that might come by
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any one of the members of the caravan. and this allows us to have a solution that is transparent and respectful of international law and human rights. but at the same time we need to make sure that mexican immigration law is enforced. >> the president is making a simple request. i don't know if mexico wants to satisfy it. which is stop them. do not let them make it from your land to the united states. can you do that? would you do that? >> all countries, whether you are an origin, a transit, or a destination country, i think all these have a shared interest in making sure that whatever migration takes place is safe, it's secure, it's orderly t and it's respectful of human rights. and people from this countries have in fact gone into mexico and requested asylum. just today we had the seven
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members of the caravan, the first serve enmembers actually requesting asylum in mexico, a refugee in our case, that's why precisely why we brought the high commissioner from the u.n. >> but the president believes almost all of them want to come here, they don't want to be in mexico because they don't believe the opportunities will be that much better for them there from where they left, so they want to come to the united states. and he's telling you you have to stop them and it might effect your relationship and the new deal. is the threat something to think about about? >> whatever mexico decides is based on our own policies and immigration policy. but we do have a shared interest with the united states, as i mention mentioned, m making sure that the migration is safe, secure and orderly. and it's very important that we are working together with the united states to address development issues in the northern triangle countries. >> he says he's going to cut off all aid to those countries if the caravan comes to the united
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states border. >> well, i think that -- i would beg to differ. i think it's important that we address development. and i think we are trying to do so with the united states. certainly the mexican government does not promote irregular or condone irregular immigration. but at the same time we cannot close our eyes to, you know, the humanitarians situation that has been presented. and that is precisely the right way to go, no. so as as theme people have reached the mexican border, you just saw some pictures of federal police, we need to make sure of three things. if someone wants to enter mexico, they should do so in compliance with mexican immigration law. if they are seeking asylum or refugee, they should naturally do a request, and that is mexico is ready to support in that way. and if they decide to enter
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illegally into mexico, they can very well be subject to repatriation. and that is in the interests of mexico. >> ambassador, i appreciate you coming onto talk about this. we are going to have to talk again. because we'll have to see what happens. because the president has a much more simple reckoning which is he don't want them and reach the border and he's going to be looking to blame people if this gets that far. so when we get more facts and see the movements i'd love to have you back onto talk about the state of play. >> it would be my pleasure, chris, thank you. >> ambassador, be well. >> ahead one of the most stunning ads of the political seasons, maybe one of the most stunning i've ever heard, next. cancer ... it's very personal. each of us is different. and each cancer is different. how it reacts, how it evades and adapts. and how we attack it. that's why at cancer treatment centers of america, we use diagnostic tools that help us better understand what drives each person's cancer.
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something that was worried about playing because i thought it was a racist spoof. but it's real. and really weird to say the least. this is what someone thought would help trump and candidates who support him with black voters. >> what do you think about what's happening in washington? >> our congressman in french hill and the republicans know that it's dangerous to change the presumption of innocence to presumption of guilt, especially for black men. if the democrats can do that to a white justice of the supreme court with no evidence, no corroboration and all of the witnesses including the best friend say it didn't happen, what would happen to our husband's, our father'ses or our sons when ha white girl lies on them? >> girl, white folks will be lynching black folks again. >> i always tell my son don't be miss egg around with that. if you get call she will cry rape. >> i'm voting to keep
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republicans french hill because we have to protect our men and boys. we can't afford to let the democrats to bring us back to lynches when a white girl screams rape. >> paid for not authorized by any candidate or any candidates committee. >> first the last line the candidate that they mentioned in the ad says he did not condone this and want this and the person responsible for the ad is african-american. let's bring in don lemon. don, i never heard anything like that. i thought i was getting played. >> it is a spoof. >> but the guy that heads the organization is after condition american. >> vernon robinson, do you know about his run for congress? >> yeah. >> he always loses. listen we always talk about considerate republicans, moderate republicans, sensible republicans, jack kemp p was one
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of them. j jack kemp endorsed him and took away his endorsement because he had a tough stance on immigration. some of the ads were taken off the air. i don't know that much about him politically. i studied up on him a little bit. so he's an extremist. listen, there it doesn't matter which color you are. you can be an extremist at any end of the spectrum. on the right and on the left. so he's considered that. but it's just sad. invoking -- people should be upset if a white girl screams rape. it's just like every racist trope and ignorant trope that you can think of. >> and he futz aputs all that ignorance because i'm assuming he was behind what was going to be said by these black women, it plays on stereotypes in terms of the way they speak and the level of certification and what they seem to be communicating. what would any black voter, conservative or not, if they heard that ad what are they
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going to think? not like you speak for all black people. but how would you like that? like the sopranos representing the african-americans. >> it's not like i'm the african-american authority. obviously somebody was paid to do that ad. i would imagine they're actors. it also ran in stations in missouri where josh hawley is trying to unseat claire mccaskill. i don't know if they're going to take those ads off the air. it is good i think that representative frenchill condemned them as well as his democratic opponent. it's become a theater of the absurd. you know that. and that's where we are right now. up is down. down is up. >> i just want to call it out so people -- >> it's outrageous. >> so we kind of keep minds straight on what we're supposed to be and -- >> wait till you hear what simone sanders, ryan lizza and alice stewart have to say about that. and also with me to talk about that and other news is mr. fareed zakaria. >> really? >> yes. he's staying up late. >> very well done. and just for you.
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>> yeah. we're going to hear what he -- you know, he is very plugged in on what happens overseas. he is an expert. and he's going to talk to us about this "washington post" reporter khashoggi being killed and what happens with our relationship with saudi arabia right now. >> great guests, d-lemon. i'll see you in a second. >> see you. >> so she is president trump's voice around the globe. for a little while longer at least. so what happened tonight when nikki haley spoke for herself at one of the most famous dinners in politics? it's a big stage. the ambassador unplugged. next. how can we say when you book direct at choicehotels.com you always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed? let's say it in a really low voice. carl? lowest price, guaranteed. just stick with badda book. badda boom.
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it's all about how they can deliver? zingers. here's a taste. >> two years ago president trump was here and he made some waves with his remarks. apparently, no one here could have predicted that. so last year -- last year you went with paul ryan, who's a boy scout. and that's fine but a little boring. so this year you wanted to spice things up again, right? i get it. you wanted an indian woman. but elizabeth warren failed her dna test. [ applause ] >> i'm grateful to the president for appointing me as ambassador because i learned so much about the u.n. i learned that the u.n. has 193 member nations. 180 which are mad at us on any given day. and the most important thing i learned is that with all of our differences there is still one thing that unites all 193
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countries. at one point every single one of them was paying paul manafort. people ask me all the time what they should call me. governor, ambassador, nikki. you can call me anything. just don't call me anonymous. >> so how'd she do? you may say well, it's just about jokes. well, how she presents herself at the al smith, that matters. and she also took a moment to call out something we talk about a lot here on "prime time," the coarsening of our political discourse. and she directed her message to both parties. >> in the last two years i've seen true evil. we have some serious political differences here at home, but our opponents are not evil. they're just our opponents. we are blessed with a political system that allows us to resolve our differences peacefully. in the end we must recognize that we are all americans and we are stronger and healthier when
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we are united. >> now, i know that a lot of you guys are going to process this tivoli, like what do i care about nikki haley -- here's why this matters. one, she could be somebody who runs for president of the united states. i don't think it would happen against donald trump. that would take a lot of chutzpah to run in party, especially this next time, assuming that the president runs again. if not, all the calculus changes. but she could run after that. her big challenge for all the boxes that she checks, and remember, nikki haley as a governor in south carolina was very popular with lots of different types of people. and right now she is popular with left and right. so that's unusual. she's got a big challenge, though. and she just spoke to it there. the coarsening of american politics. h our inability to disagree with decen decency. has she spoken out about it in
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the administration? has she been that voice? is that why she's leaving now, so she doesn't get too attached? or is it too late? it's going to be a big test for her. it's going to be a big test for a lot of republicans because no matter what happens, no matter how good the economy is, they're going to have to answer for how they feel about what president trump says. and this wa her first sampling of how she'll do that tonight. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts right now. how do you think she did? you're a funny guy. >> i've got nothing but the utmost respect for nikki haley. i think she is a fantastically professional all the time and i loved it when she said i don't get confused. remember? i think -- >> sure, i remember that. >> i like her chutzpah. but it's the al smith dinner, and we have to have a sense of humor. you talked about some serious stuff. okay. you can debate whether or not she did it while she was in office or not. that is fine to do that. that's legitimate. but when you're doing those things you've got to be funny. >>
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