>> anthony: how do we make a show that looks completely different than the show we did last week? it's nice if you really, really liked last week's show. but i'm not going to do that one again. certainty is my enemy, you know. i'm all about doubt. i started doing this late in life. i can't say that i'm evolving or maturing or doing anything differently.

same dick i was 13 years ago. ♪ ♪ i took a walk through this beautiful world ♪ ♪ felt the cool rain on my shoulder ♪ ♪ found something good in this beautiful world ♪ ♪ i felt the rain getting colder ♪ ♪ sha, la, la, la, la, la, ♪ sha, la, la, la, la, la, ♪ sha, la, la, la, la, la, ♪ sha, la, la, la, la ♪ >> mo: what do you think he did, i mean, in terms of the impact on television? >> andy: yeah. >> mo: it's so multifaceted? >> andy: sure. i think that prior to tony on television, food tv, such as it was, and travel tv such as it was were both essentially service based.

it was very top down. there's an expert showing you what to do when you're in an unfamiliar situation. "i don't know how to make this." "here's how you do it." "i don't know what to do when i'm there." "here's what you do. here's what everybody does." what i wished for often was specificity. take me to a place, show me that real place. show me what motivates people. ♪ >> yegi: people travelled with him. you were sitting on your couch in your home, but you were with him wherever he went. >> andrew: he would be overseas in the far east one week and then maybe in the bronx, you know, the next week. or in miami the next week. >> jason: he wasn't worried about protecting a boxed image of who he was. right, it was like, "i'm going to put myself in this experience, and it's going to be what it is." >> andrew: i perceived him a little bit like indiana jones. he could be on the road, in a t-shirt, having a beer. or in a kitchen talking to the line cooks.

and then he could come home, put on a suit and tie, and be a man about town giving a tribute speech to his publisher. you know, he cleaned up good. but he was also really comfortable out in the wild. >> andy: you see a man step foot into the world. kind of shaky at first, kind of unsure. increasing in confidence in who he is as he's buffeted by a larger world, full of doubt, full of ambiguity, full of questions, full of unknowable things, and react accordingly. ♪ >> anthony: i would describe myself as a lucky cook who gets to tell stories. you know, i think any other -- i'm certainly not a journalist. i'm not a chef anymore. i'd like to flatter myself by saying i'm an essayist, but i'm a storyteller.

i see stuff, i talk about that, i talk about how it made me feel at the time. i think that's the best. if you can do that, honestly, that's about the best you can hope for, i think. ♪ >> anthony: i -- i just -- i don't feel i'm capable of going back and having an intelligent conversation about my experience. i feel all messed up emotionally. >> edgar: but i think this means that you truly came here, because when you get close to something you understand it, you don't understand what is going on. when you're far from it, it seems kind of solvable and simple. when you go into it, you say, "hey, it doesn't make any sense," you know? so, it means that you've really been here. >> anthony: it is post-apocalyptic. it's like a science-fiction film. what the hell happened here? >> charlie: well, it is post-apocalyptic except for the fact there's several hundred thousand people living here. ♪ >> anthony: so the conventional wisdom seemed to be, "it's time to get out of camden." why are you still here? >> tawanda: because the need is in camden. if every decent person in camden leaves camden then we never have a chance. >> anthony: you're going to

stay? >> tawanda: i'm not going anywhere. my pop-pop didn't leave, i'm not leaving. [ laughing ] ♪ >> mr. hafez: this is the only reason -- the gun. this is the only reason for it. just to protect my children and my wife. >> anthony: 20 years, 30 years, will things be better? >> mr. hafez: i hope not 20 years and 30 years. i hope now, next year, everything goes better. ♪ >> keiji: to me, i really feel a strong need to, uh, forgive. >> anthony: mm-hmm. >> keiji: and then, forget. and then move on. >> anthony: you used to be a tour guide. >> ha: yes. >> anthony: i know you have to bring people over to the american war museum. in your lifetime, is there going to be a time when that's not gonna have to be a stop? no one will remember. or should people always remember? >> ha: i think it's good to remember. and, i think it's -- it's good that, that --

it's important that we know about history. and to make sure it never happens again. >> jason: in conversations that i had with him, he said, "look, i'm not a journalist." and it's funny because, you know, i'm a journalist and i work with and live with another journalist and spend a lot of time with journalists, and going and talking to people, telling stories, hearing people's stories that illuminate a place. if that's not journalism, i'm really not sure what is. >> anthony: how often do you get to sneak out for a beer? >> president obama: very rarely. and first of all, i don't get to sneak out, period. >> andy: the beauty of tv to me is that it is a cumulative medium. it's a serialized storytelling.

every emotional moment we get to in season four of a show is earned, it's built on the back of everything that came before. there was a comfort level there. we knew each other. he knew he could push us. we knew that he would try to push us. >> andrew: people felt like they knew him. they felt like if they met him he would look out for them. that sounds weird, but i think that's how people felt about him. they felt like he was in their corner. they felt like he was a force for good. they felt like his heart was in the right place. they felt like he was willing to stick his neck out for people. >> yegi: he was honest about anything he saw. not to censor himself. whether positive or negative. i think that's very important and that's why many people connect, 'cause they see he's talking about like -- even the words that he threw sometimes i'm like, "jason, can he say that on tv?" he was like, "tony can." >> zamir: what is the perception of mr. putin these days? after 14 years, he's in power. >> anthony: my perception? >> zamir: his personal --

>> anthony: do you really want to hear it? >> zamir: i'm not sure, but let's see. >> anthony: a former mid-level manager in a large corporation. short. i think that's very important. short. who has found himself master of the universe. and like a lot of short people, if you piss them off, bad things happen to you. he likes to take his shirt off a lot. >> zamir: let's be serious, i mean -- >> anthony: he strikes me as a business man. >> zamir: he is. >> anthony: a business man with an ego. okay, so he's like donald trump, but shorter. >> andy: increasingly the show became about the world around him and the frame outside of where he was standing. and i think he really understood the real power in his position was getting the cameras to the place in the first place so that he could turn them around. so that he could put the people who otherwise would never be on camera, on camera. so he could put the cultures and the traditions that have never been seen before on camera. so he could show us something,

not just show us him seeing something. ♪ >> anthony: you have a very highly educated public here, one of the most literate nations on earth. >> yusimi: that's funny, we are highly educated, as you said, but, uh, we are behind concerning internet and all that stuff. most of us have access to only the official media. the official newspaper. if internet comes, and i think the government is trying to delay it, if that comes, many things will change. even if we have access to different points of view, and i don't think our government wants that. ♪ >> anthony: a lot of things happened in a lot of different parts of the country. >> akram: yeah. >> anthony: sort of simultaneously. kind of amazing that all of these people came together very fast. >> akram: how did it happen? >> anthony: yeah. >> akram: easy. twitter. >> anthony: twitter? >> akram: yeah. >> anthony: it was really like that? >> akram: yes. we sent so much information to nato via twitter. >> anthony: did anyone think it was possible that in their lifetime they were gonna see the end of this son of a -- ? most people are telling me they

never dreamed. >> akram: i don't know if you can call them dreams, hopes, wishes. it was just something in the sky. something i look at every night. >> anthony: right. >> akram: but when i hit that point and got into misrata and stood on gaddafi's body, any dream will come true. >> anthony: this is a big oil-rich country. why doesn't it look like dubai? >> kadaria: well, i hate to be on this show and talk nigeria down you know what it is, because you hear all these things all the time. so yes there is corruption, it is about corruption, it's about the fact that the resources that are supposed to be used for people aren't being used for people. years of military rule meant that people were brutalized. there was a fight against thinking. imagine if they were all well-educated, if they had access to finance. i believe if you're a black person, whether you're african or you're african-american, you're never going to get any respect unless there is a

successful black nation. >> anthony: even if you've been traveling nearly nonstop for 15 years like me, there are places that snap you out of your comfortable world view, take your assumptions, and your prejudices, and turn them upside down. they lead you to believe that maybe, there is hope in the world. are we there yet? you don't always use your smartphone for directions... hey guys, up there. ...or to laugh out loud. ♪ but when it matters most, you count on tracfone to keep you connected for less. ♪ our smartphone plan gives you talk, text and data

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>> anthony: i eat a lot of meals. i'm told about 400 per shooting season. off and on camera. many of those meals are good, many are really bad, many are memorable for reasons good and bad. few are epic. truly epic. they do come along probably with more regularity in my life than yours. and i will gloat about that on instagram whenever possible, by the way. ♪ >> daniel: tony, get closer. >> anthony: you are totally sending me every one of those pictures by the way. wow, look at that.

this style of dish goes back long before cameras. but, it's perfect. is there a more perfect assortment of colors and textures? everything great about cooking is encapsulated in this dish. often the ugliest dishes are the ones that are the most hauntingly delicious. >> andy: raw blood soup. >> anthony: i'm eating out of an open wound. >> andy: whole live frogs, with garlic. that's one of the many stomach of the cow. >> anthony: alternately unrecognizable, scorchingly hot. or both. i will tell you those are some of the best greens i've ever had. no doubt about it. >> chef: seriously? come on now. >> anthony: they're not just delicious, they're luxurious. >> elena: what can you do to make it better? >> anthony: it's perfect. there's no improving this dish. >> elena: now, nobody talks, only we eat. >> anthony: you put far more on the table than anyone can conceivably eat. >> ramin: if you don't like your guest, you don't put anything. >> anthony: look, i've eaten a lot of great restaurants around the world, and there was still a

little part of me that was saying this is going to be bull --. the guy is out in the field yanking leaves out of the ground. i really didn't expect it to be as good as it was, but it was delicious. amazingly delicious for me. >> andrew: what's fascinating to me as somebody who first knew about tony when his first successful book, "kitchen confidential," came out, is i have always thought of him as a chef, even though it had been years since he had been a practicing chef. you know, "kitchen confidential" was -- the subtitle "adventures in the culinary underbelly." i mean, underbelly is a little bit of a dark word, but that's sort of what his shows were. he gave you the full 360 experience of this stuff. what was its history? what went into making it? what made it great? and his descriptive powers were so great that even though you as a viewer, this is the great flaw i think in any food television, can't taste what you're watching, he could convey what it tasted like. or smelled like. or what it evoked in him.

and that i think was kind of the magic of it. >> anthony: it was sweet, sweet memories of this stegosaurus-sized shank of cured pork, boiled and boiled until it literally falls away from the bone steaming and moist. this symphony of meat and gelatin and good, good stuff. god is hiding in there, somewhere. >> anthony: some things just shouldn't change. i come here to feed my soul. it's the antidote to every other place. >> anthony: roast bone marrow with parsley and caper salad. >> anthony: thank you, yes. it's a simple, good thing, but it's one of the most influential dishes in the last 20 years. as i become older, the food that i yearn for is food that i react to in an entirely emotional way. oh, man, wow. now is there an appropriate way to attack this? does one go straight in or does one go at it from an angle?

>> edgar: it depends what kind of man you are. if you are a coward you would go from the corner. >> anthony: from the corner, well, i'm a manly man. >> edgar: so you go from the middle. >> andrew: for somebody that does what i do -- write about chefs, for people who are chefs -- i think tony was like as cool as they came. right, everyone wanted to be -- it was that classic line -- everybody wants to be him. he was a cool guy, he could write, he was natural on television. the "chef swagger," that's tony -- i mean, that started in some ways with tony. he epitomized that. confident, smart, super computer brain that could spit out these incredible, witty things. but he would go to these places and he would -- evidence i think an incredible humility. he was genuinely curious. he wasn't trying to teach them, he wasn't trying to show off. >> anthony: how long does that broth have to simmer to get good? >> nguyen: just an hour. >> anthony: wow, really? i would've guessed like 14 hours. i want to see how much you put in there.

>> nguyen: you got to make it look really red in there, that should be blood red. >> anthony: nice burning feeling around my lips. flop sweat, happy. people are put on earth for various purposes. i was put on earth to do this. eat noodles right here. >> anthony: at the end of a long night, decisions good and bad, friends old and new. a night spent playing or a night spent working. all across the world, wherever cooks stumble out of work late, there's a place like this. >> anthony: gentlemen. how are you? it's the city that never sleeps. 24 hour mocoto. >> leonardo: this place is very democratic because like everybody comes. late at night, taxi drivers, hookers, and cooks because -- >> anthony: yeah, why is it that like hookers and cooks are always welcomed at the same place, you know? it's like the same social standing. i'm ready, man. i am hungry. i've had nothing to eat all day. >> leonardo: yeah? >> anthony: i am starving.

>> andrew: i think tony's appreciation for sort of the rank and file members of a kitchen team was always there. it was something that i think he felt very profoundly. i think what he took from that profession was real curiosity and a sincere love of food. you know, somebody once said to me, "great food is an adventure." and i think that's where the beginnings of what he transitioned into came from. >> anthony: i mean, if you don't like food, if you're not interested in food it's a -- it's really a problem. it's a relationship nonstarter. it's like someone saying, "i don't like music." you know, conversation is kind of over. but, i mean, i'll always look at the world from that -- i mean, all my values, every important

skill, any good things about my character, any good characteristics i have, all the important lessons of my life i've learned as a dishwasher or as a cook, and i'm always going to look at the world through that prism.

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>> anthony: a few years back i got the words "i am certain of nothing" tattooed on my arm. it's what makes travel what it is. an endless learning curve. >> anthony: well, that's a pakistan is twins separated at birth. >> uday: they weren't twins. it was one country. you could say dismembered. if you cut a body in two, they're not going to become twins. >> anthony: the joy of being wrong. of being confused. >> anthony: critics of the government, critics of putin, bad things seem to happen to them. >> boris: yes, unfortunately exists in power, represent, let us say russia of 19th century. >> anthony: you could kill a journalist and get away with it. why are you still here? >> anabel: it's my choice. my choice is fight. i really believe that good journalists can change the world. >> anthony: at first you see what you see in so many places -- busy markets, the noisy streets.

but look just a little bit longer, a little bit deeper, and you'll see it's not so different here from anywhere really. >> andy: it's incredible, thinking back, how fearless he was. you know, he went to cnn, which is a network that travels all over the world and goes into warzones, and he saw that, i think, as a challenge. and he was not afraid to ask uncomfortable questions, go to uncomfortable places, poke at uncomfortable scabs. that's kind of amazing. you know, to as you grow more comfortable in station, to become more eager to engage in uncomfortable truths and uncomfortable situations, and uncomfortable questions. you would think it would go in the opposite direction, but with tony it never did. >> anthony: iran, finally. i've been trying to get into

this country five years now. it's been the big, blank spot on my things-to-do list. the iran i've seen on tv, and read about in the papers, it's a much bigger picture. let's put it this way, it's complicated. and i think it's going to shock the hell out of you. >> jason: people couldn't believe it. iranians in iran and iranian-americans were genuinely really happy and appreciative

that he would come and do this show there. in a place like iran where visitors from abroad, and especially visitors from america, are few and far between, it matters. as print journalists, our job is difficult, but it's also kind of easy. because there's so much to write about. the difficult part is convincing people on the other side of the world that what we're telling you, we're seeing in front of our eyes, is actually there. when you walk down the street, you see a different side of things. people are proud. the culture is vibrant. people have a lot to say. >> anthony: jason rezaian is "the washington post" correspondent for iran. yeganeh, his wife and a fellow journalist, works for the uae-based newspaper "the national." jason is iranian-american. yeganeh is a full iranian citizen. this is their city, tehran. >> anthony: the official attitude towards fun in general seems to be an ever shifting --

is fun even a good idea? >> jason: there's a lot of security, there's lots of rules. there are a lot of people in place to make sure you do the right thing and not do the wrong thing. but a lot of push and pull, a lot of give and take. when i first started coming here, you wouldn't hear pop music in a restaurant. >> yegi: it's everywhere now. we have police, they arrest girls or women for having a bad hijab or not being covered enough. but it's not that we live with police in our head, you know?

>> jason: i brought up the experience of being on his show just a few weeks previous to our arrest, and i said, "look, this thing is coming. it's not going to play out well for you." >> yegi: at some point towards the end, my interrogator brought a picture, "who is this guy? is he your dad? or his dad?" i was like, "no. you really don't know him?" and he was like, "no." i said, "well, this is a very famous guy if you were interested in traveling, food, da-da-da. you should watch his show." but he told me, "there was nothing in your conversation with him about food." i was like, "no, we discussed a little bit of rice and fish and things like that, but it was mostly cultural topics, social life things like that." and he said, "so it's going to be another punch in our face." i was like, "no, no, no, it's not going to be like that. he's not that kind of guy. he's going to tell the truth no matter what it is." and interestingly i remember i told him about one discussion we had with tony, because at some point we talked about the

situation of women in iran. >> anthony: you know, one of the first things that people will say when you say, "wow, i'm going to iran." "oh, yeah, but don't they make women do this, this, this, and this?" actually, not so much. not as much as our friends. compare and contrast, women aren't allowed to drive in saudi arabia. >> yegi: that's right. or vote. >> anthony: or vote. you can drive. you can vote. can you own a business? >> yegi: of course. my sister is an accountant. she has her own company. girls are allowed to do almost everything, except we want to go and watch football -- >> anthony: can't go and watch football? >> yegi: we cannot. >> anthony: women's issues are often at the spear-point of change, or possible change here. on one hand, prevailing conservative attitudes demand certain things. on the other hand, iranian women are famously assertive, opinionated. it's a striking difference from almost everywhere else in the

region. >> anthony: so why are we so friendly with the saudis again? >> jason: that's a good question. that's a really good question. >> yegi: i'm happy that you asked that question. and as soon as i told that story to my interrogator, he was like, "okay, sounds like a good conversation. so, he likes us?" i was like, "he likes iranians. he likes iran." so that was kind of convincing. i was able to cool things off i think. >> anthony: do you like it? are you happy here? >> jason: look, i love it and i hate it. you know, but it's home. it's become home. >> anthony: are you optimistic about the future? >> yegi: yeah, especially if this nuclear deal finally happens. yeah, very much actually. >> anthony: let's assume the worst.

let's assume that you cannot see any way to reconcile what you think of iran with your own personal beliefs. you just generally don't approve? >> jason: yeah. >> anthony: i think those are exactly the sort of places you should go. >> jason: totally. >> anthony: see who we're talking about, and where we're talking about. >> jason: i think it's almost un-american not to go to those places. you know? >> anthony: i don't know that i can put it in any kind of perspective. i feel deeply conflicted. deeply confusing, exhilarating, heartbreaking, beautiful place. >> jason: yeah, exactly. we still need glasses on table ten. ♪ he'd be proud of us.

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>> anthony: when putting together a list of where we're going on any given year, there's a really unhealthy fascination with my relationship with plumbing, shall we say. so basically if i'm going without a crapper for extended periods of time on one show, the next show is pretty much going to be some place with good, hot water pressure and a degree of flushed toilets that even the most skeptical and cranky person would find curiously pleasing. i never had any dreams of growing up in the socialist wonderland.

like when there was a brief period when i was a hippy, the idea of living in a commune, not attractive to me. >> zamir: i was born in a communal flat with three other families sharing one john, one kitchen. >> anthony: no way. >> zamir: they would feed me when i had no food. >> anthony: no way. i share my toilet with no man. well, i'm looking forward to the week. >> eric: yeah. >> anthony: this is a low-impact show. >> eric: what is a low-impact show? >> anthony: it means i'm not paddling up river. it means i get a flushed toilet. eating well, constantly. >> eric: you like luxury. >> anthony: i do, look, i do. i like a fluffy hotel towel. i like a bidet. i like warm jets of water squirting up my ass. i mean, who doesn't?

i'd say i feel cleansed, but that could be the diarrhea. really don't understand this whole purging thing. people are like -- is it purging, cleansing? juice cleanses? right? just travel with this show for a while, i'll tell ya. i'm feeling pretty good but my crew, clean as a whistle. you could pour mineral water through them and it would come out crystal clear. that's no fault of the fine cuisine here, by the way. i'm convinced it was the shiny ham at the hotel buffet. you warn them, you warn them, you warn them. do they listen? i made a potentially lethal mistake this morning. i did something i never do. i had a western breakfast at the hotel. i'm feeling it already. how do you do this and be a good person? i don't think you can. like if you wanted to do this regularly for the rest of your life, i would like to spend three months out of the year in a hammock, looking out at the caribbean in a secluded beach like this. you'd have to do bad things to

do this, right? do you feel guilty eating this well? >> ruhlman: i do. >> anthony: you do? >> ruhlman: i do. >> anthony: i'm feeling guilty right now, but it will pass. >> ruhlman: because guilt keeps coming back, you keep bringing up the guilt. >> anthony: you're right. i feel guilty. >> ruhlman: then don't do this in shows. what are you doing here if you feel so guilty about it? >> anthony: i don't, i don't. i feel guilty about not feeling guilty. >> ruhlman: that's more to the point. now you're starting to be honest with yourself. >> anthony: right. >> andy: if you have a film crew and a network willing to send you places, chase the things that interest you. if you're going to go to japan for the 19th time on someone else's dime, make it about tentacle porn. that's cool. teach us something we don't know or haven't seen before. because why not? contrary to what some critics may say, it's important to me that we saw him work the systems sometimes. >> anthony: you couldn't actually show humans penetrating each other? >> toshio: so i invented tentacles to be evasive of our law. >> anthony: so, how big is the

sadomasochistic community? how many people are active participants? i would never do that as a responsible journalist, but i am interested in investigating it. >> joy: did you smoke it? >> anthony: yeah, i smoked it. i can't compare and contrast because i've been trying them all one after the other. i'm trying to be respectful of a 5th-century religious tradition here. um, i'm not sure about the teeth. >> darren: this is the necklace ones. >> anthony: i'm trying to think of a circumstance where you could wear that around your neck. oh, jeez, it's a cock-alanche. i'm confused. what does it all mean? no, no, it can't be over. not yet, no! >> andy: there was kind of a

gleeful juvenilia to tony that was appealing on some level, but a little bit tiresome after a while. there were stories that he went back to again and again. there were punching bags that he just could not resist. punching, again and again. but i think every one of us was willing to put up with them because one of the pleasures of watching the show over time and watching him over time was watching the punching bags transform into people, and watching those people turn into friends. one of the more fascinating aspects was the friendship with eric ripert. there was a feeling of inferiority. >> anthony: stop trying to suck up to the teacher. i saw that. apple polisher. you basically just rip your ideas off of small businessmen. you got that, right? >> andy: and in fact, ripert turns out to be this goofy, kind guy who doesn't mind being the butt of literally everyone's jokes. who saw that coming? >> anthony: do you have pizza experience? >> eric: never eaten pizza in my life. >> anthony: look at this line. stop dicking around with your insane perfectionism.

he's new. i can't do anything with him. >> eric: you thought you were going to moon awards. >> anthony: you'll be bitching in those things. >> eric: no, man. >> anthony: you'll look cool. >> eric: wish me bad luck. >> anthony: no, i don't. i just think you should have proper footwear. your ability to drink leads to a number of assumptions about you, you know? your general manliness. penis size. your worth as a human being. >> eric: i'm comfortable with my size. >> my jacket. >> blame your jacket. there you go. >> usa.

it was goofy and he made ripert eat sichuan chilies until he wept, which was good tv. but it all came from a place of love and affection that is rarely captured on television, and honestly will be very, very hard to replace. >> this is amazing. >> eric: get in my selfie. oh, it's a video. hold on. eric is a buddhist with really good solid values. like i've never seen him wish ill on another human being. he really does live up to his buddhist faith. it's rather incredible that he could be friends with me. i know it's caused him problems at times. everyone who appears on television should be so lucky as to have an eric ripert in their life. and thank god he's got a sense of humor. when he makes television with he he's always going to need it.

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>> andy: i think that tony never shied away from the fact that he was changing the narrative, he was changing the story, he was bending reality. this was his experience in the world and he never shied away from suggesting that people go out and find their own experience.

the beauty of making so many episodes and traveling so many times and revisiting so many times is that there is always more to see. there is a large story and there's a small story, and if you peek inside that small story, there's a thousand more stories. and his willingness to let those stories be told and find the right storytellers for each one of those was incredibly impactful. ♪ on the one hand they are this perfect expression of a guy who was an aesthete. who had very strong tastes. he had very good taste in a lot of things, not just food. and felt very strongly, clearly, about expressing that in the

show. there was no bullshit. if he wanted a certain type of music, he would get that musician to play that music. if he wanted stylistic reference, i'm sure he would make everyone on the crew watch a hundred movies until you got it exactly right. that has value in and of itself. but what he did with that reference was purposeful. what he taught me about working-class cinema and about connection between an artist and a place, that's much more meaningful than just dropping a loose reference. it's a beautiful package to trojan horse some other thought inside of it.

>> chris: after all these years of travelling, when you look back, what resonates? >> anthony: i see a lot of poverty, i see a lot of cruelty. i have reason to feel angry or frustrated or heartbroken

frequently. it angers me to see a place like, you know, detroit, a great american city that's failed, or allowed to fail. to see new orleans post-katrina makes me angry. to see camden, new jersey, in my own state that i grew up in, it makes me angry. yes, there's a lot of scary, ugly stuff in it. but there is much more, i still think. beauty and kindness and humor, and people doing the best they can in often very difficult situations. it is a magnificent planet filled with fascinating and, more often than not, beautiful people. where's that sandwich? >> andy: i've been thinking about this a lot recently. this is a man who travelled the world -- what was it? 200 days a year or more.

at this point every place he went he had dozens if not hundreds of people that considered him a good friend. and he made every single person feel like he was their friend for the time that they were together. that boggles my mind. >> jason: we get recognized from being on that show. and when i say restaurants i'm talking about greasy spoons all the way up to fine-dining establishments. people come over to the table and they say, "did we see you on bourdain's show?" "yeah, that was us." sometimes we don't have to pay for the meal. >> andrew: there's a million of these tony bourdain stories out there of just how decent and how nice and accessible he was to everybody. but the idea that he could feel self-conscious, or he could feel humbled, or he could feel unable to form a sentence, again, i think that's how most people felt around him. >> jason: and i think that iranians have that experience of feeling like, "hey, this guy saw

the value of us." obviously people in africa have that experience. people that work in kitchens have that experience. >> andy: i don't know how he did it. i will never know how he did it. the ability to walk into any room in any country in the world and appear to be at ease, at least at ease without overcompensation, without overconfidence, and to make others feel that ease. to be able to break bread with anybody, to have a toast with almost anybody. >> anthony: to victory, ruhlman, victory in our time. don't be afraid. my first turbo. cheers! oh, yeah! just like old times. >> andy: i think that's probably the best way to understand tony bourdain on television is that he was not only the host of these shows, but he really was the ultimate guest. >> anthony: just because i'm a bit of a dick, i have to ask this question.

ah, okay. well, i hope the food's good at this thing. >> andy: it's so important to tony's mission to remember that to eat the food of the world, you don't have to have a lot of frequent flier miles. you don't have to have a lot of money. >> yegi: tony's a part of history, everywhere's history, every nation's history. >> ramin: the excess of evil, not the excess of him. just normal evil like everybody else. >> anthony: you're a guy who at various points of life has pretty much, one way or another has been able to have a lot of things that ordinary people would never have. you've had many, many adventures. given that, what thrills you? >> iggy: the nicest stuff right now -- this is very embarrassing, this is really embarrassing -- being loved. and actually appreciating the people that are giving that to me.

>> ofeibea: and i guess that's what we all want as human beings. isn't it? to be loved, to be cherished. >> anthony: this is anthony bourdain, cnn, good ♪ ♪