going to be reported over the next 24 to 48 hours. this someone of these reports right now. hopefully it turns out to be nothing. but thank goodness people are hyper vigilant about this type of stuff. >> we were interviewing a pastor about love thy neighbor and we have to interrupt because of a bomb scare. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. thank you very much for joining us. we'll keep an eye on what's going on from the building not far from where i'm sitting. we'll bring you anything significant as we get a bigger picture. there is more breaking news tonight in a terror attack still being investigated as we speak. today, the fbi said they're treating the devices that were sent as real, and not hoax devices. we still don't know if they were capable of detonating, but we do know that whoever sent them is still on the loose. we're learning far more tonight about the pieces of this plot, and we'll bring you all of it. we begin, though, keeping them

honest by focusing on what those pieces add up to and why the president of the united states just can't seem to see it. remember, had those devices reached their targets and actually exploded, the country right now would be making funeral arrangements for two murdered ex-presidents, a former vice president, a former secretary of state, a sitting congresswoman, a former head of the cia, a renowned actor, and the people that we work alongside every day, not to mention potentially postal workers and police or any number of bystanders. as was pointed out earlier today, the sheer number of targets and devices is unprecedented, and given who was being targeted, this is the kind of event when presidents traditionally might become aware of the awesome responsibility they have to all americans of all political stripes. it is a moment that, traditionally inspires deep humility. it's a moment for leadership. we're often reminded that president trump is not a traditional president, nor right now is he acting like a

traditional leader. he has yet, for instance, to mention any of the targets by name, even though two of them, bill clinton and barack obama, once held the office that he does. he's not spoken with any of them, nor briefed them on the threat that they face. he's yet to speak of this as an attempt to terrorize the nation, nor has he called it an act of domestic terrorism, even though law enforcement officials have told us that is exactly what it was, an act of domestic terrorism, a term used by mitch mcconnell, and though president trump called for national unity yesterday, those words, which he read off a teleprompter, sounded hollow this morning when he tweeted this, a very big part of the anger we see today is caused by the purposefully false and inaccurate reporting of the main stream media that i refer to as fake news. it's gotten so bad and hateful that it's beyond description. main stream media must clean up its act, fast. given a chance to frame these devices as an attack on all americans, the president shows

instead to blame one of the intended targets, a target he himself views and called publicly an enemy of the people. a target he has constantly railed against and encouraged stadiums pull of support toers rail against. all of the intended recipients are viewed by the president as enemies. that may explain why these people were targeted, it may not. we don't know the motive behind this terror. we won't until the person or persons responsible are caught. but let's remember something the president said just moments after winning the election. a night when it seemed possible to hope the vitriol of the campaign would finally be put to rest. this is what the president-elect said that night. >> now it's time for america to bind the wounds of division. we have to get together. to all republicans and democrats and independents across this nation, i say it is time for us

to come together as one united people. [ applause ] i pledge to every citizen of our land that i will be president for all americans, and this is so important to me. >> binding the wounds is of course an image that lincoln used in his second inaugural address. when he said that, the civil war was grinding to a close, and the hundreds of thousands of americans had been killed. and leadership for lincoln was not merely in saying those words but in trying to live and govern by them. he was killed trying in what at that time was the nation's worst act of political violence. thankfully no one has died this time, and the nation has not just fought a civil war. the stakes this time, by all means serious, are far, far lower than they were under lincoln's time, which makes the cost of exercising real

leadership far lower for this president. it makes'9" far easier. but to do that, to exercise real leadership, not just for one's base but all americans, that would require this president to move past or rise above whatever personal slights he feels he might have received from the people who were targeted. that would be real leadership. not words read off a teleprompter, forgotten by the next morning when the president is showing his true self on twitter. the president is not inclined to rise above or to move past. he's shown that over and over again. and he showed that last night just hours into this attack and just seconds after saying that he wanted to "bridge our divides," he then chose not to look inward and reflect on the things he has said or done. instead, he pointed a finger once again at news organizations like the one that had just been evacuated because of what appeared to be a bomb in the mail. >> the media also has a responsibility to set a civil

tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories. have to do it. [ applause ] >> negative tone, uncivil tone, false attacks. he's blaming the media for that. he does not look inward and reflect upon the times when he has done all those things. he said that at a rally for republican candidates in wisconsin, and even as he spoke, more devices were being discovered. but apparently the upcoming midterms and pleasing his supporters spoke loud tore him. and today, judging by his tweet, his sense of grievance speaks louder still. leadership would mean setting that aside, if only for now. the other night, we had retired general stanley mcchrystal on the program talking about the book he had just written about what makes a good leader. the dedication says it well. to john lewis and john mccain, who remind us that it's possible

to keep our human city while le -- humanity while leading with courage and commitment. it is possible but not easy. for this president, it might not even be something he wants or knows how to do. i want to get the latest now. authorities here in new york briefed reporters late today. so what have you learned, what is the latest development? >> reporter: there have been significant developments in the investigation, certainly for the fbi. they are now at this sorting site in opa-locka south florida, and they're zeroing in on this site, because they believe if not all, most of the packages that were sent came through this site. the other thing there seems to be a large focus now on the south florida area by authorities looking for leads, trying to figure out if the person who sent these is from the south florida area. >> person or persons. >> person or persons. and i can tell you, anderson, authorities tonight are optimistic. earlier today, yesterday, we weren't getting the same kind of

optimism from them, but there seems to have been some developments in this investigation that has authorities thinking that, you know, they may be making some significant moves here, that they may have a break here. and certainly now they know where some of these packages came through. >> the fbi and authorities have kept a pretty tight lid on what they know about the devices themselves, were there explosives inside, were they capable of detonating. we don't really know much about the details of the devices. >> no. and usually we tend to know more about these devices. for whatever reason, in this case, the fbi and nypd have not been releasing a lot of information. we did ask those questions at the press conference. of course, the fbi said they don't want to release information that can hurt the investigation. because what happens is there's a lot of clues in those devices. they're in tact, so they can do a lot of forensic work and they can pull some of the wiring and some of the casing and figure out where some of these items

were purchased. the other thing they don't know whether or not these devices could actually explode. and they want the forensic work and the lab work that will be going on in the next few days over at quantico at the fbi headquarters to figure out could this have really exploded? what were we dealing with before they tell us publicly what these devices were, how could they have exploded if at all? >> shimon, thank you very much. much more now on the mystery of how some of these packages got around the country without postmarks. so it is strange, renee. explain some of them do not have postmarks. >> reporter: so what we know is that several of those suspicious packages were missing this critical clue that could have helped investigators, and we're talking about the postmark. it's not visible in the photos of several of the packages that cnn has reviewed. although one of the packages had a postmark, and that only adds

to the mystery of where these packages originated from. as you heard shimon say, authorities believe that several of the packages went through that opa-locka, florida processing and distribution center, but that still doesn't tell them exactly where the packages originated from. as you know, the postmark indicates when and where the mail was sent from. you usually see it marked over the stamps. you cannot trace stamps, but a postmark could help investigators focus their search, but it's unclear why many of these packages did not have the postmark. >> isn't everything sent through the mail with stamps get an automatic postmark, is there an explanation why something wouldn't have a postmark? >> reporter: right. so they are confident that all of these packages did go through the mail, but to your question,

no, not every package gets a postmark. we spoke to several people today who say the lack of a postmark is rare. we spoke with the national postal museum. they say that is rare. however, a postal inspector who we spoke to also said that it could be that this piece of mail, essentially the way it was shaped, just couldn't fit through the machine, which automatically postmarked a lot of this mail. it perhaps did not fit through that machine, and that is why we may not see that physical mark. it does not mean that the piece of mail had not been looked at. there are exceptions for why mail you may not see that physical postmark signature on there. but still, we can't draw any conclusions from this at this point. it is unclear why these particular pieces of mail did not have that mark. but, again, there are some exceptions to the rules. but we don't know if any of them apply to these pieces of mail,

anderson. >> rene marsh, thank you very much. joining us now are my guests. phil, what is the significance to you of the fact that they're focusing on this mail facility in florida? >> there's different categories. we talk about people chasing a soccer ball. there's multiple soccer balls here. there's the facility and the transmission of the package. this is significant. did the person transmit the package from florida or was that a facility that the package traveled to? that is a really huge clue. but there are other -- >> one of the things that ted kaczynski did is he went on a bus or buses from where he lived, i think it was to than to mail the device. >> the same questions about anthrax going back 16, 1 years ago, did somebody travel to someplace else to confuse people. that's one basket they're looking at.

think of this as different soccer balls and different elements of the investigation. there are also people looking at what's inside the package. hard for me to believe ten packages if this person is an amateur, not a single hair or finger prints or dna. so there's people looking at the packages, determining independent of what the postal service is doing on transmission, whether it's something in the package that's a clue. then secret service. they've got a lot of people on file. who are the people who have threatened the individuals who are like the individuals that we've seen over the past couple of days? i'm going to bet the investigators know a heck of a lot more than we know. one of the pieces is opa-locka. but there's a lot of other pieces. >> we're going to take a quick break. more on the investigation ahead. are we there yet? you don't always use your smartphone for directions... hey guys, up there. ...or to laugh out loud. ♪ but when it matters most, you count on tracfone to keep you connected for less. ♪

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the tweet reads, our bomb squad and canine unit are providing assistance at our federal partners at the opa-locka mail facility as part of the ongoing investigation into suspicious packages hoe ka s located in ot jurisdictions. joining me again are my guests. just in terms of where -- i mean, with your expertise as you look at what we know now and what we don't know, where do you see this investigation, what interests you the most? >> there's a lot of devices and a lot of potential evidence there, both on the package and device itself, whether it's trace evidence or -- >> even if they had exploded, you can still sometimes get evidence. but the fact it didn't -- >> it's much better. if he was sloppy put thing together, maybe there's some latent prints. they will go through that to find something like that. plus, the device itself gives you some direction on what you think the motivation of this

might be on the construction of the device. >> phil, obviously one looks at all the targets or the intended targets. it would seem obvious what this person, what they all have in common. but we don't know what is in the mind of somebody else. somebody might have wanted to make it look like something was following the president's rhetoric and was doing this to make it look bad for the president. i think it's important to point out what we don't know. we don't know the motive. >> sure. i find it interesting the percentage of conversation in the public form about what the motivation was versus the percentage of conversation if you're behind the curtain, i can't imagine if i was at the fbi doing a thousand cases how much conversation would be about motive. the question is, for example, what are the signatures of the device? >> at this stage in the investigation, they're not talking about motive. >> correct. as soon as you got into an apartment, is there an

indication of motive? if there's an international dimension, who trained them, et cetera. but you look at the tape around those devices, is there a fingerprint on one of those pieces of tape? think about climbing a mountain and it looks like a piece of glass. you want one finger hold, a hair, a piece of dna, some mistake when the person mailed the package, right now, i'm not worried about why they did it, i'm worried about one hand hold on a glass mountain that allows me to say game on, we're going finish this. >> just take us inside an investigation, what will investigators be looking for at this facility to help them narrow down what happened? >> well, at this facility, this is one stop in what the fbi is doing in tracing the journey of each of these devices. they're trying to go from the point of arrival. every field office in the jurisdiction where one of these

devices was received is involved in this, and they're basically tracing them back to see if they can pin point a point of origin. that doesn't mean that point of origin is where the suspect or suspects could be located. but if these devices originated from geographically disparate locations simultaneously, you may be looking at multiple people who are coordinated versus a single person. the other thing, as phil mentioned, is -- and the commissioner mentioned also, that these are going to be forensically am i lally analyze quantico. these have the components of the bombs, they have ten of them. and quantico is very good at what they do. even though these are readily available materials, they can often trace these ingredients

back to sometimes individual stores where those could have been purchased. then you have things like video cameras, receipts, payment methods, if you can narrow down a time frame where that might have happened. so it's moving methodically along. this is about looking at what do you have in your hand and what is the next step that you can take to learn a little bit more about it so you can narrow down mainly i think at this point the geographic scope. >> michael, it's now cliche, everyone talks about the signature bombmakers have. how true is that? we see that on television programs all the time. >> the unabomber for example had a signature how the devices were made. sometimes it's not intentional. the signature with this could be the commonality, the switch is always the same, the wires are always the same. it helps. there's a great database with the fbi.

>> i assume there's a database of the kinds of bombs that can be made and where somebody might learn about it, if it's a military style that might provide clues or -- >> military style, you're probably dealing with a serious bombmaker. pipe bombs are the most commonly used worldwide. unfortunately, it's very simple and easy to make. you can find parts online, and you can find directions online how to make it. >> it's all out there. >> it's all out there. >> you would be surprised how specific some of the bomb specialists can get in terms of bomb cig churs. i remember talking to a bomb techs at the cia about a bomb. the bomb tech was telling me they could determine whether they thought the individual was right-handed or left-handed based on cig chursignatures. they're looking at soldering saying we think this person was

left or right-handed based on where the soldering is. incredible bomb specifics. >> is it usually an individual who is behind multiple devices? the idea of multiple people working on similar looking devices, i haven't heard much of that sort of thing. >> i think typically when you see a signature across multiple devices, it usually goes to one bombmaker how they made it. and to what phil said, how they cut the wires, how they crimp them all tell you something about the individual that might have put them together. >> and we talked about clues, whether that was by intent or just sloppy work, that would be something investigators are trying to determine i would assume. >> that's right. we have to remember there could be false clues that we just mentioned the unabomber, he left false clues in his bombs. he also had a ph.d.

he did 16 bombs over 17 years, so he was learning from each one and was getting more sophisticated with each one. here you have ten in a span of five days. the person would have been working on them for a while. but i think the likelihood of sloppiness or mistake probably goes up statistically in that kind of situation. >> all right. thank you very much. i want to give you an update on what's been going on here at the time warner center. law enforcement officials tell us they are responding to two suspicious packages on level three of the shops. an evacuation was limited to certain areas. they're operating out of an abundance of caution. president trump is not backing off of his criticism of the media, not reflecting on his own rhetoric. coming up, we'll hear from former vice president biden on civility, two of the suspect packages were addressed to him. and we'll go to the white house for the very latest.

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term fake news into a national conversation. now he's blaming the media for what he said was the anger in society because of purposefully false and inaccurate reporting. two of the pack annals packages were addressed to former vice president joe biden and he spoke about it. >> we've got to turn off this hate machine. we have to come together. people want us to be more civil. people want us to choose hope over hate. they want us to choose for real. it is guttural. people understand, and words matter. words matter. >> more from kate lan collins at the white house. is there any indication the president is looking inward at all or reflecting on the let ra -- rhetoric he's used?

>> reporter: it's quite the opposite. the president thinks he has a working strategy and thinks he has nothing to do with anything that has happened over the last few days and he wants to make that cheer. that's why he's going after the media and renews those attacks on the media. he's been talking to aides and he thinks his strategy of saying it's the media that's dividing the country that is working. he thinks that's a winning strategy so far. he plans on sticking with that. now, a lot of those aides and allies he's been talking to are agreeing with him. they think he's unfairly covered by the media. they think the media has unfairly linked him to these incidents, and they think that has nothing to do with what's gone on. so he's not getting any pushback from aides and allies that he's speaking with. so it seems to be this is what he is going to continue doing. this is the approach he's going to continue to take. he did speak with the new york governor andrew cuomo today. he updated him on the

investigation. they talked about that, but they didn't have any conversation about the president's rhetoric and take thing opportunity to address the nation in a more unifying manner than attacking the media. and anderson, one other thing i want to update you on, we've been talking how the president hasn't called anyone who is the target of these attacks, president obama, hillary clinton, joe biden, and i just got off the phone with a senior white house official who said they are sure the president has no plans to make any calls to those people. >> thank you. let's get perspective now from david gergen and carl bernstein. david, this strategy from the president, not surprising i suppose, disappointing to some, and to supporters, it's why they elected him. >> i don't think he has a strategy on almost anything. i think he plays it by ear. i do think he thinks it's working. he wouldn't continue it. but it's really worth understanding and remembering,

there have been a lot of books recently about authoritarianism that have been creeping up across europe. how countries go down that road toward authoritarianism. and the books almost all agree, one of the first things you do is to silence critics, especially in the press. you try to delegitimize them and discredit them, so they won't be taken seriously in what they report, then you can run of them. that is, i'm reluctant to say this, it seems that's what we're seeing. >> that's the strategy? >> that's what he's doing. i'm not sure i would call it a strategy. >> do you think, carl, do you expect anything different from this president? i mean, it was fascinating last night to hear him read off a teleprompter about, you know, lowering rhetoric and not, you know, demonizing one's opposition, and yet coming from this president who has, you know, called opponents evil and enemy of the people, and in a

few sentences later was blaming the media for being targeted. >> his strategy, which has worked for him, is to spew hate and division. that is what he's been doing for two years as a strategy, and it has worked. he's fired up his base. and once again, he had a real opportunity here to bring the country together. to be the president of all the people and instead he sowed divisiveness once again, made the conduct of the press the issue. not the conduct of anyone except the press. blamed the press for misuse of information, false and misleading information. where's the evidence of all these false and misleading stories? what the press has done, the main stream media has done throughout his presidency is to report on his lying. that is why the kompcoverage aps so negative. but it's been accurate.

and that is what the beef of the president of the united states has, and he has managed to put it out there in such a way as to rev up the country that supports him and believes that we are the issue, not the president of the united states and his hate and divisiveness. >> it is striking, anderson, that some of the worst rhetoric that's come out of his mouth has happened in the last few weeks and his numbers are going up. >> it's not an accident. >> it's striking. i think at some fundamental level, because the press has been a foundation of the first amendment and everything that's grown out of that. you can go back to jefferson or madison or anybody you want, and they'll all tell you how important a free press is to the republic. and, you know, it's just like we've thrown all that out the door, and what we have now is something i think that goes far

beyond anything carl and i have seen. we thought with nixon we were seeing the edges. he always went a of the press and so forth and so on. but this is much more systematic. it's much deeper. this whole administration turns in part on that theme. >> throughout our history, the president of the united states has set the tone of public discourse in america. that's why washington and lincoln are our most revered presidents. that's why roosevelt has been revered. because of the tone they set. we have never had a president of the united states, including nixon, for all his criminality and making the conduct of the president the issue, no president has ever spewed the kind of consistent hate, disdain and division as this president of the united states has. and it is basic to who he is. it is not about a positive program for all the people of this country. it is about him winning, as he

says, constantly, constantly, it's all about winning, and look at what the cost is. look at what has happened. we have had a president who praises a member of congress for body slamming a reporter. in the same week that khashoggi was dismembered and killed, a reporter, by a foreign power that is authoritarian, and even less than trump has no regard for a free press. but the free press, as all of our presidents have recognized. yes, they have gotten really angry at the press. look, we make mistakes, and usually we own up to them, but this is something different. this is saying that the poison in our system is the press. it's not. the poison in our system, the toxicity in our system, is the current president of the united states, and his words, and they

mean something. >> in the past, working in the white house, when we have gotten cross wise with the president and just a lot of anger, i've been involved in a session when we call in publishers or editors, called in the presidents of the various news organizations, and have a real conversation with the president and his people about how can we live better together and treat each other as professionals? i keep thinking, should we do that here? and then it occurs to me, he won't listen. i don't think he's willing to go down that path. >> i don't think he sees it in that, i know he doesn't see it that way. >> basic to his success and his success in his eyes is based on demonizing us. >> i've got to get a break. thank you very much. much more ahead tonight. specifically about the president's words and his opponent's words for him. should that be a factor? perspective from ohio republican governor john kasich next. our dad was in the hospital. because of smoking. but we still had to have a cigarette.

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verbally by president trump. >> hillary wants to abolish,

essentially abolish the second amendment. if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. maxine waters, a very low iq individual. i hear biden. wants to take me to the back of the barn. he would be in big trouble. such a nasty woman. you know with biden, you go like this. and he goes down. i said it the other day, yes, she is a low iq individual. i mean, honestly, she's somewhere in the mid 60s. >> words spoken by those who have bombs addressed to them. >> you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about. >> michelle says that when you go low, we go high. no. no. they go low, we kick them.

[ inaudible ] >> with this kind of inspiration, i will go and take trump out tonight. >> he's so blatantly stupid. he's a punk. he's a dog. he's a pig. he talks how he wants to punch people in the face. well, i would like to punch him in the face. >> well, there's also the criticism for the president from john brennan, cia director during the obama administration. the package we got here at cnn was addressed to brennan. he posted this tweet back in july, donald trump's press conference performance rises to and exceeds the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors. they were treasonous. he's wholly in the pocket of putin. i talked about the harsh language from all sides with

ohio republican governor john kasich, former rival of president trump in the 2016 presidential election. governor, whether it's secretary clinton saying you can't be civil, and eric holder saying when they go low, we kick them, is it fair to equate that with some of the halanguage we've hed from the president? >> i think their language was inappropriate. however, anderson, i'm the governor of ohio, and i have the biggest mega phone in the state. other political people can say things, ones who are office holders. but i have the biggest mega phone and the greatest responsibility. the president of the united states has the greatest mega phone really in the entire world. and the way the president leads and speaks matters. and so while i would criticize the democrats for saying we should go low, the president of the united states has a big responsibility. we expect more from the leader

of our country. the leader of the free world. and i just want some unity, and i praised him yesterday, anderson, when he started by saying we all needed to work together. great. but then don't pivot around and start attacking the press, calling them the enemy of the people. that's just uncalled for and not appropriate. >> former president george bush last night talked about the press. and one of the things he said, he said you want the press corps to be active with powerful people because you want the press to hold powerful people to account and keep people honest as long as they're honest. it's just so interesting that this president seems to be incapable of having the same -- i don't know if it's respect that needs to be had, but understanding of what the job of the press is. >> well, you know, look, the press is a critical part of a free society. and of course, people in politics, a lot of times they don't like what the press has to say, because they can make it

difficult. that's their job. and you need to respect that. but what i'm really concerned about is i'm really concerned about whether the president, and i'm starting to think it's not possible for him, unless there's a damascus road experience, is unable to bring people together. that he does play to this base. that he uses this language. and i guess what we're seeing now is the unwillingness to take any personal responsibility and put it off on somebody else. look, this is not a personal attack on president trump. i want him to do better. when i heard his initial statement yesterday about we sne needed to get together, i praised him for it. that's what i want to see. but then i don't want to see a pivot to an attack. it holds true to the democrats, as well. they have to be careful in the way in which they scare people. >> president trump at his rally last night, when he was talking

on the teleprompter as you mentioned, he was talking about unity and not saying terrible things about your political opponents. but then he went on to say something off script it seemed and i want to play that for our viewers. >> by the way, do you see how nice i'm behaving tonight? have you ever seen this? we're all behaving very well. and hopefully we can keep it that way, right? >> it was interesting to me to hear that, because it seems like sort of a -- you know, he says something scripted and it's a wink and nod to supporters that what he's saying about coming together isn't really what he wants to say or isn't what he may be saying the next day. >> look, he has an opportunity, if he would seize it, to really bring people together. that is one of the jobs of a president, to calm people. it's the job of any big-time leader. what you're the ceo, whether you're the governor of ohio.

part of your job is to calm people down. yes, we can say that we have problems. but your voice is, you can say we have problems and beat them down and frighten them. or you can say we have problems. but guess what? together, we can pull out of it. we can fix it. that's called giving hope. it's not called dividing people or frightening people for political gain. i believe we need unity. here's what i also believe. i m-tv that the people of this country are good, and that the people of this country want to solve problems. and i believe the people of this country want to be together to solve problems that exist in their neighborhoods. so while we focus on this, why don't we also take some of our frustration and figure out how we can work with other people to solve things that are in our neighborhoods. >> governor kasich, appreciate your time as always. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. one more update on what's been going on in the building here for the last four hour or .

the bomb squad gave the all clear. i want to thank them for their efforts. let's check in knockout with chris. >> people are super sensitive right now, and getting a they are so fast to the scene, i mean, look, i hate to see our best tested this way, but the first responders are no joke, their ability to detect a threat. to determine what needs to be done. that was a great interview with you and the governor, there's a gap, right? we should be hearing from leadership right now, but we're not about the people around donald trump are giving him a different message. we have one of his main supporters on tonight. florida congressman. and we're going to have a discussion about what needs to change and who needs to change. i'm working on a closing

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i wonder what you're making of this. >> the forensic side and then trying to get into the mind-set of whoever these people are. we're told now, several of these devices have been transported from a new york area back to virginia, they'll undergo analysis. we're learning about some of the characteristics of these devices, we saw some of the initial reporting that there was some type of isis flag on the devices, we talked to some of our sources that are telling us now that law enforcement is not giving credence to that, they don't think this is international terrorism. it looks to be some sort of parody. they're trying to rule things out. there's initial pieces as far as getting in the mind-set of the person. law enforcement is behaving heavily on the analysis. what are the characteristics involved of someone who would do something like this, and it's going to come down to the target

set, the people they chose to go after. why none of the devices detonated. there's a 100% failure rate, if this was intended to kill people. >> we know there were 10 devices, from what we know in your expertise. how difficult is it to make, and how likely is it that they were all made by one person. >> it's difficult to say at this point. overall, the devices don't seem to be overly sophisticated. it's also not as if it would take days or weeks for an individual to construct 10 devices let's say with the appropriate level of knowledge and i'm relying on you with your expertise.

not to give anybody any ideas. when i talked to other people, they all say, this information how to make these, it's on the internet, people out there who want to find it already know where to find it. >> that's true. the individual doesn't necessarily have to have a sophisticated level of knowledge to construct a device such as this. there is a lot of information available on the internet nowadays, and people are -- can certainly access that type of information. >> the fact that there's also writing and whatever forensic clues there may be on the devices, packaging or dna. even just the handwriting samples, that is something that can be compared to everybody who's ever written any of these public officials, you know, threatening letters. >> that's true, and quantico, vermont, the site of the fbi's laboratory is a focal point for this investigation for two

reasons. this is where these devices have now been taken. the examiners will be going through them. trying to conduct this surgical examination. they're going to try to compare that with known intelligence that they have on past devices. there's a repository that sits at quantico, where they've collected devices for several decades. they can run through leads and tips. run through commonalities. whatever the make-up happens to be, next to that facility, at quantico, a bomb laboratory is the behavioral analysis unit. the same people that are going to be going through what does it mean if a person did a certain thing, what they're dealing with, we're told at least as of a few hours ago, they're not honing in on one particular person. this is still an investigation that's very much in its infancy, it's all hands on deck. spanning coast to coast, up to new york, a lot of resources that are being involved.

>> josh campbell, quick reminder, full circle is our new daily interactive newscast on facebook. watch it week nights at 6:25 p.m. eastern. the news continues right now. i want to hand it over to chris, cuomo prime time starts right now. >> i am chris cuomo, welcome to prime time, this has become a two prong search, one for the person or people responsible for the bombs, we have new information coming on how some of the devices were sent. the other which is arguably just as important, the search for the leadership necessary to change our toxic political dynamic, on that front, the president meant what he said last night, about what he would do to make things better, which was not one damn thing. and sure enough, starting soon after the bombs were discovers and growing by the hour since, he and his fox proxies, mouthpieces and patsys they have all ratcheted up the rhetoric. yes, this