there is more breaking news tonight in a terror attack that is still unfolding and still being investigated as we speak. today, the fbi said they're

treating the divisons that were sent as real and not hoax devices. we still don't know if they were capable of detonating, but we do know that whoever sent them is still on the loose. we're learning far more tonight about the pieces of this plot, and we'll, of course, bring you all of it. we begin, though, keeping them honest, by focusing on what those pieces add up to, and why the president of the united states just can't seem to see it. remember, had those devices reached their targets and actually exploded, the country right now would be making funeral arrangements for two murdered ex-presidents, a former vice president, a former secretary of state, a sitting congresswoman, a former head of the cia, a renowned actor, and the people that we work alongside every day, not to mention potentially postal workers and police or any number of bystanders. as presidential historian douglas brinkley pointed out earlier today, the sheer number of targets and devices is unprecedented, and given who was being targeted, this is the kind of event when presidents traditionally might become aware of the awesome responsibility

they have to all americans of all political stripes. it is a moment that, traditionally, inspires deep humility. it's a moment for leadership. we're often reminded that donald trump, of course, is not a traditional president, nor, right now, is he acting like a traditional leader. he has yet, for instance, to mention any of the targets by name, even though two of them, bill clinton and barack obama, once held the office that he does. he's not spoken with any of them, nor briefed them on the threat that they face. he's yet to speak of this as an attempt to terrorize the nation, nor has he called it an act of domestic terrorism, even though law enforcement officials have told us that is exactly what it was, an act of domestic terrorism. a term also used by the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell. and though mr. trump called for national unity yesterday, those words, which he read off a teleprompter, sounded hollow this morning when he tweeted this. a very big part of the anger we see today is caused by the purposefully false and

inaccurate reporting of the main stream media that i refer to as fake news. it has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. mainstream media must clean up its act, fast. given a chance to frame these devices as an attack on all of us, on all americans, the president chose instead to blame one of the intended targets, a target he himself views and called publicly an enemy of the people. a target he has constantly railed against and encouraged stadiums pull of support toers -- full of supporters to rail against. all of the intended recipients are viewed by the president as enemies. that may explain why these people were targeted, it may not. we don't know the motive behind this terror. we won't until the person or persons responsible are caught. but let's just remember something the president said just moments after winning the election. a night when it seemed possible to hope that the visit tree yol of the campaign, the lies and the divisions, could finally be put to rest. this is what the president-elect said that night.

>> now it's time for america to bind the wounds of division. we have to get together. to all republicans and democrats and independents across this nation, i say it is time for us to come together as one united people. it's time. i pledge to every citizen of our land that i will be president for all americans, and this is so important to me. >> binding the wounds is of course an image that lincoln used in his second inaugural address. when he said that, the civil war was grinding to a close, and the hundreds of thousands of americans had been killed. and leadership for lincoln was not merely in saying those words but in trying to live and govern by them. he was killed trying in what at that time was the nation's worst act of political violence.

thankfully no one has died this time, and the nation has not just fought a civil war. the stakes this time, though, by all means serious, are far, far lower than they were under lincoln's time, which makes the cost of exercising real leadership far lower for this president. it makes it far easier. but to do that, to actually exercise real leadership, not just for one's base, but for all americans, as he once talked about, that would require this president to move past or rise above whatever personal slights he feels he might have received from the people who were targeted. that would be real leadership. not words read off a teleprompter, forgotten by the next morning when the president is showing his true self on twitter. the president is not inclined to rise above or to move past. he's shown that over and over again. and he showed that last night just hours into this attack and just seconds after saying that he wanted to, quote, bridge our divides, he then chose not to look inward and reflect on the

things he has said or done. instead, he pointed a finger once again at news organizations like the one that had just been evacuated because of what appeared to be a bomb in the mail. >> the media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories. have to do it. have to do it. >> negative tone, uncivil tone, false attacks. he's blaming the media for that. he does not look inward and reflect upon the times when he has done all those things. he said that at a rally for republican candidates in wisconsin, and even as he spoke, more devices were being discovered. but apparently, the upcoming midterms and pleasing his supporters spoke louder to him. and today, judging by his tweet, his sense of grievance speaks louder still. leadership would mean setting that aside, if only for now.

the other night, we had retired general stanley mcchrystal on the program, he was talking about the book that he's just written about leaders and leadership and what makes a good leader. the dedication says it well. "to john lewis and john mccain," it reads, "who remind us that it's possible to keep our humanity while leading with courage and commitment." well, it is possible, but it is not easy. and for this president, it might not even be something that he wants or knows how to do it. i want to get the latest now. authorities here in new york briefed reporters late today. so what have you learned, what is the latest development? >> there have been some pretty significant developments in the investigation, certainly for the fbi. they are now at this sorting site in south florida, they're zeroing in on this site, because they believe, if not all, perhaps most of the packages that were sent came through this site. the other thing, there seems to be a large focus now on the south florida area by

authorities looking for leads, trying to figure out if the person who sent these is from the south florida area, so, certainly -- >> person or persons. >> person or persons. and i can tell you, anderson, authorities tonight are pretty optimistic. earlier today, yesterday, we weren't getting the same kind of optimism from them, but there seems to have been some developments in this investigation that has authorities thinking that, you know, they may be making some significant moves here, that they may have a break here. and certainly now they know where some of these packages came through. >> the fbi and authorities have kept a pretty tight lid on what they know about the devices themselves, were there actually explosives inside, were they capable of detonating? we don't really know much about the details of the devices. >> no. and usually we tend to know more about these devices. but for whatever reason, in this particular case, the fbi and nypd have not been releasing a lot of information. and we did ask those questions at the press conference. and of course, the fbi said they

don't want to release information that can hurt the investigation. because what happened is, there's a lot of clues in those devices. they're intact, so, they can do a lot of forensic work. you know this, and they can pull some of the wiring and the casing and figure out where some of these items were purchased. the other thing is, they don't really know whether or not these devices could actually explode. and they want the forensic work and the lab work that will be going on in the next few days over at quantico at the fbi headquarters to figure out, hey, could this really have exploded? what we were dealing with, before they tell us publicly what these devices were, how could they have exploded, if at all? >> shimon, thank you very much. much more now on the mystery of how some of these packages got around the country without postmarks. cnn's rene marsh joins us with that. so, it is strange. explain some of them do not have postmarks. >> reporter: so what we know is that several of those suspicious

packages were missing this critical clue that could have helped investigators, and we're talking about the postmark. it's not visible in the photos of several of the packages that cnn has reviewed. all but one of the packages actually had a postmark, and that, anderson, only adds to the mystery of where these packages originated from. as you sheard sheard shimon say, authorities believe that several of the packages went through that florida processing and distribution center, but that still doesn't tell them exactly where the packages originated from. as you know, the postmark indicates when and where the mail was sent from. you usually see it marked over the stamps. you cannot trace stamps, but a postmark could help investigators focus their search, but at this point, it's unclear why many of these packages did not have the postmark. >> isn't everything sent through the mail, you know, with stamps,

doesn't it get automatically a postmark, or was there something about, it was a soft package? is there an explanation why something wouldn't have a postmark? >> reporter: right. so, they are confident that all of these packages did go through the mail. but to your question, no, not every package gets a postmark. we spoke to several people today who say the lack of a postmark is rare. we spoke with the national postal museum. they say that is rare. however, a postal inspector who we spoke to also said that it could be that this piece of mail, it essentially, the way it was shaped, it just couldn't fit through the machine, which automatically postmarked a lot of this mail. it perhaps did not fit through that machine, and that is why we may not see that physical mark. it does not mean that the piece of mail had not been looked at. so, there are exceptions for why mail, you may not see that physical postmark signature on there.

but still, we can't draw any conclusions from this at this point. it is unclear why these particular pieces of mail did not have that mark. but again, there are some exceptions to the rules. but we don't know if any of them apply to these pieces of mail, anderson. >> all right, rene marsh, this very much. joining us, michael o'neil, also former cia and fbi senior official phil mudd and former fbi special agent asha rengata. phil, what is the significance to you of the fact that they're focusing on this mail facility in florida? >> there's different categories. we talk about people chasing a soccer ball. there's multiple soccer balls here. there's the facility and the transmission of the package. this is significant. did the person transmit the package from florida or was that a facility that the package traveled to? where they some place else? that is a really huge clue. but there are other -- >> one of the things that ted ka zin ski did, if my memory serves me is, he went on a bus,

or buses, from where he lived, i think it was to san francisco, to actually mail the devices. >> same questions about anthrax, going back 16, 17 years ago, did somebody travel to some place else to confuse people? that's one basket they're looking at. think of this as different soccer balls and different elements of the investigation. there are also people looking at what's inside the package. hard for me to believe ten packages, if this person's an amateur, not a single hair, not a single didn't fingerprint, no single bit of dna. so there's people looking at the packages, determining independent of what the postal service is doing on transmission, whether it's something in the package that's a clue. and then, another example, secret service. they've got a lot of people on file. who are the people who have threatened the individuals who are like the individuals that we've seen over the past couple of days? i'm going to bet the investigators know a heck of a lot more than we know. one of the pieces is opa-locka. but there's a lot of other pieces. >> all right. we're going to talk to asha and michael in a moment.

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home instead senior care. apply today. police in miami-dade county are tweeting tonight about new activity at that miami-area mail facility. these are aerial images from our affiliate wplg. the tweet reads, our bomb squad and canine unit are providing assistance at our federal partners at the opa-locka mail facility as part of the ongoing investigation into suspicious packages located in other jurisdictions. this assistance is a precautionary measure. joining me again, michael o'neil, phil mudd and aissha rangap rangappa. just in terms of where -- i mean, with your expertise as you look at what we know now and what we don't know, where do you see this investigation, what interests you the most? >> there's a lot of devices and a lot of potential evidence there, both on the package and device itself, whether it's trace evidence and the technical workings of the device -- >> even if they had exploded, you can still sometimes get evidence. but the fact it didn't --

>> it's much better. >> much better. >> and if he was sloppy at one point putting this thing together, there's maybe some trace evidence, latent prints. they will go through that to find something like that. plus, the device itself gives you some direction on what you think the motivation of this might be on the construction of the device. >> the -- i mean, phil, obviously, one looks at all the targets, or the intended targets. it would seem obvious what this person -- what they all have in common. we -- but we don't know what is in the mind of somebody else. somebody might have wanted to make it look like something was following the president's rhetoric and was doing this to make it look bad for the president. we frankly -- i think it's always important to point out what we don't know. we don't know the motive of this person. >> sure. i find it interesting, the percentage of conversation in the public form about what the motivation was versus the percentage of conversation if you're behind the curtain, i can't imagine, when i was at the

fbi, doing 1,000 cases, how much conversation would be about motive. the question would be about, for example, what are the signatures of the device? >> at this stage in the investigation, they're not talking about motive. >> correct. as soon as you got into an apartment, is there an indication of motive? if there's an international dimension, you'd say, who else is involved, who motivated this person, who trained them? but at this point, the basic questions -- you look at the tape around those devices. is there a fingerprint on one of these pieces of tape? think about climbing a mountain and it looks like a piece of glass. you want one finger hold, a hair, a piece of dna, some mistake when the person mailed the package where the person actually went to a facility. right now, i'm not worried about why they did it. i'm worried about one hand hold on a glass mountain that allows me to say, okay, game on, we're going to finish this. >> asha, just take us inside the investigation. what will investigators be

looking for at this facility to help them narrow down what happened? >> well, at this facility, this is one stop in what the fbi is doing in tracing the journey of each of these devices. they're trying to go from the point of arrival, every field office in the jurisdiction where one of these devices was received is involved in this, and they're basically tracing them back to see if they can pinpoint a point of origin. now, as you mentioned, that doesn't mean that that point of origin is where the suspect could be located, but it can tell you things. for example, if these devices originated from geographically disp disparate locations simultaneously, you may with looking at multiple people who are coordinated versus a single person. the other thing, as phil mentioned, is -- and the commissioner mentioned also, that these are going to be forensically analyze at quantico. in addition to dna evidence, they have the components of the

bomb itself. these have not been detonated, so, they have each of these. they have ten of them. and quantico is very good at what they do. they -- even though these are readily available materials, they can often trace these materials and ingredients back to, sometimes individual stores where those could have been purchased. then you have things like video cameras, receipts, payment methods, if you can narrow down a timeframe where that might have happened. so it's moving methodically along. as phil mentioned, this is about looking at, what do you have in your hand and what is the next step that you can take to learn a little bit more about it so you can start narrowing down, mainly, i think at this point, the geographic scope. >> michael, it's now cliche, everyone talks about the signature that bombmakers have. how true is that? i mean, you see that on television programs all the time. >> professional bombmaker, unabomber had a cigsignature, h the devices were made.

sometimes it's not intentional. the signature with this could be the commonality, the switch is always the same, the same brand, the wires were always the same. set up that way. it helps. there's a great database with the fbi that captures those signatures. >> i assume there's a database of the various kinds of bombs that can be made and where somebody might learn about that, which might provide some clues, i mean, if it's a military-style, that might provide clues or -- >> military style, you're probably dealing with a serious bombmaker. pipe bomb, unfortunately, is the most commonly used worldwide. unfortunately, it's very simple and easy to make. you can find parts online, and you can find directions online how to make it. >> it's all out there. >> it's all out there. >> you'd be surprised at how specific some of the bomb specialists can get in terms of signatures on bombs. i remember years ago talking to one of our bomb techs at the cia about a bomb.

the bomb tech was telling me, they could determine based on the bomb where they thought the individual was right-handed or left-handed, based on signatures. what was the signature? they're looking at soldering saying we think this person was left or right-handed based on where the soldering is. incredible bomb specifics. based on what you can acquire from an unexploded divison. >> is it usually an individual who is behind multiple devices? i mean, the idea of multiple people working on similar-looking devices -- >> right. >> i haven't heard much of that sort of thing. >> i think typically, when you see a signature across multiple devices, it usually goes to one bombmaker on how they made it. and to what phil said, exactly true, how they cut the wires, how they crimp them, they all tell you something about the individual that might have put this together. >> and we talked about clues, asha, whether that was by intent of just sloppy work, that would be something investigators are

trying to determine, i would assume. >> that's right. and we have to remember, there could be false clues. we just mentioned the ewe that bomber, he left false clues in his bombs. now, he also had a ph.d, he did 16 bombs over a period of 17 years, so, he was learning from each one and was getting more sophisticated with each one. here, you have ten in a span of five days, i mean, the person could have been working on them for awhile. but i think the likelihood of sloppiness or mistake probably goes up in that kind of situation. >> all right. asha, phil, michael, appreciate it. i want to give you a quick update on what's been going on here at the time warner center. law enforcement officials tell us they are responding to two suspicious packages on level three of the shops in this building. evacuation was limited to certain areas. there's no known threat, just they're operating out of an abundance of caution, as the police department is doing. as we've said, president trump

is not backing off one bit on his criticism of the media, not reflecting on his own rhetoric over the last two years. coming up, we'll hear from former vice president biden on civility. two of the suspect packages, of course, were addressed to him. and we'll go to the white house for the very latest. smile dad.

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as you know, president trump has called the media the enemy of the people, and elevated the term fake news into a national conversation. now he's blaming the media for what he said was the anger in society, because of, quote, purposefully false and inaccurate reporting. two of the packages were addressed to former vice

president joe biden. and this afternoon, he spoke publicly about it. >> we've got to turn off this hate machine. we have to come together. i've been all over the nation, people want us to be more civil. people want us to choose hope over hate. they want us to choose -- for real, it's guttural. people understand, and words matter. words matter. >> more now from cnn's kaitlan collins at the white house. the president is clearly digging his heels in here, laying the blame at the feet of the press. is there any indication that he is looking inward at all, or reflecting on some of the rhetoric he himself has used, you know, referring to people at evil or the enemy of the people, et cetera? >> reporter: there's not, and r anderson. in fact, it's actually quite the opposite. the president thinks he's got a working strategy, and he thinks he has nothing to do with anything that's happened over the last few days. and he wants to make that pretty clear, and that is why he's going after the media and renewing those attacks on the media, even just a few hours

after he called for unity. he's been on the phone with allies all day, he's been taking to aides, and he thinks his strategy of saying it's the media that's dividing the country, that is working. he thinks that's a winning strategy so far, and he plans on sticking with that. now, a lot of those aides and allies he's been talking to are agreeing with him. they think he's unfairly covered by the media. they think the media has unfairly linked him to these incidents because of his angry rhetoric and what he's said, and they think that has nothing to do with what's gone on. so he's not getting any pushback from aides and allies that he's speaking with. so certainly, it seems to be, this is what he's going to continue doing. this is the approach he's going to continue to take. he did speak with the new york governor andrew cuomo today. they updated -- he updated him on the investigation. they talked about that, but they didn't have any conversation about the president's rhetoric and cooling the temperature, or taking this opportunity to address the nation in a more unifying manner than attacking the media. and anderson, one other thing i do want to update you on, we've been talking about the president

hasn't called anyone who has been the target of these attacks, president obama, hillary clinton, joe biden, who you just heard from there. and i just got off the phone with a really senior white house official and they said that are very sure and very confident the president has no plans to make any calls to those people. >> kaitlan collins, thank you. let's get perspective now from david gergen and carl bernstein. 2k5i6d david, this strategy from the president, not surprising, i suppose, disappointing to some, and to supporters, it's why they elected him. >> i don't think he has a strategy on almost anything. i think he has reactions, he plays it by ear. i do think he thinks it's working. he wouldn't continue it. but it's really worth understanding and remembering, there have been a lot of books recently about authoritarianism that have been creeping up across europe. and how countries go down that road toward authoritarianism. and the books almost all agree, one of the first things you do is to silence your critics,

especially in the press. you try to delegitimize them and discredit them, so they won't be taken seriously in what they report, then you can run of them. that is, i'm reluctant to say this, it seems that's what we're seeing. >> that's the strategy? >> that's what he's doing. i'm not sure i would call it a strategy. >> right. do you think, carl -- did you expect anything different from this president? i mean, it was fascinating last night to hear him, you know, read off a teleprompter about lowering rhetoric and not, you know, demonizing one's opposition, and yet, coming from this president who has, you know, called opponents evil and enemy of the people, and, you know, in a few sentences later, was blaming the media for being targeted. >> his strategy, which has worked for him, is to spew hate and division. that is what he has been doing

for two years as a strategy and it has worked. he's fired up his base. and once again, he had a real opportunity here to bring the country together. to be the president of all the people, and instead, he sowed divisiveness once again, made the conduct of the press the issue. not the conduct of anyone except the press. blamed the press for misuse of information, false and misleading information. where's the evidence of all these false and misleading stories? what the press has done, the mainstream media has done throughout his presidency is to report on his lying. that is why the coverage appears so negative. but it's been factual. it's been contex tech yule. but it's been accurate. and that is what the beef of the president of the united states has, and he has managed to put it out there in such a way as to rev up the country that supports

him and believes that we are the issue, not the president of the united states and his hate and divisiveness. >> it is striking, anderson, that some of the worst rhetoric that's come out of his mouth has happened in the last few weeks and his numbers are going up. >> it's not an accident. >> it's not an accident. >> it's not an accident. it's striking. i think at some fundamental level, because the press has been a foundation of the first amendment and everything that's grown out of that. you can go back to jefferson or madison or anybody you want, and they'll all tell you how important a free press is to the republic. and, you know, it's just like we've thrown all that out the door, and what we have now is something i think that goes far beyond anything carl and i have seen. you know, we thought, with nixon, we were seeing the edges, because he had an enemy's list, you know, he always went after the press and so forth, so on. but this is much more systematic and it's much deeper. this whole administration turns,

in part, on that theme. >> throughout our history, the president of the united states has set the tone of public discourse in america. that's why washington and lincoln are our most revered presidents. that's why roosevelt has been revered. because of the tone they set. we have never had a president of the united states, including nixon, for all his criminality and making the conduct of the press the issue sometimes, no president has ever spewed the kind of consistent hate, disdain and division as this president of the united states has. and it is basic to who he is. it is not about a positive program for all the people of this country. it is about him winning, as he says, constantly, constantly, it's all about winning, and look at what the cost is. look at what has happened. we have had a president who praises a member of congress for body slamming a reporter.

in the same week that khashoggi was dismembered and killed, a reporter, by a foreign power that is authoritarian, and even less than trump has no regard for a free press. but the free press, as all of our presidents have recognized. yes, they have gotten really angry at the press. and look, we make mistakes. and usually, we own up to them. but this is something different. this is saying that the poison in our system is the press. it's not. the poison in our system, the toxicity in our system, is the current president of the united states, and his words, and they mean something. >> in the past, working in the white house, when we have gotten cross wise with the press and just really a lot of anger, i've been involved in sessions when we call in publishers or called

in editors of major newspapers, called in the presidents of the various news organizations and have a real conversation with the president and his people about, how can we live better together and treat each other as professionals? and i keep thinking, should we do that here? and then it occurs to me, he won't listen. i don't think he's willing to go down that path. >> i don't know that he sees it -- i know he doesn't see it in that way. >> we're basic to his success, and his success, in his eyes, is based on demonizing us. >> i've got to get a break. thank you very much. much more ahead tonight. specifically about the president's words and his opponent's words for him. should that be a factor? perspective from ohio republican governor john kasich next.

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again, our breaking news tonight. authorities now believe several of the suspicious devices mailed to prominent figures went through a mail facility in onwe opa-locka, florida. and all the targets have been

verbally by president trump. >> hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the second amendment. if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. maxine waters, a very low iq individual. biden, i hear biden. wants to take me to the back of the barn. he would be in big trouble. such a nasty woman. you know with biden, you go like this. and he goes down. i said it the other day, yes, she is a low iq individual. i mean, honestly, she's somewhere in the mid 60s. >> now, here are some of the pointed words spoken by those who have had bombs addressed to them. >> you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about. >> michelle says, you know, when

they go low, we go high. no. no. they go low, we kick them. >> with this kind of inspiration, i will go and take trump out tonight. >> with this inspiration, i will go and take trump out tonight. >> he's so play stablatantly st. he's a punk. he's a dog. he's a pig. he talks how he wants to punch people in the face. well, i would like to punch him in the face. >> well, there's also the criticism for the president from john brennan, cia director during the obama administration. the package we got here at cnn was addressed to brennan. back in july, he posted this tweet after the president met with his russian counterpart. donald trump's press conference performance in helsinki rises and exceeds the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors. it was nothing short of treasonous. he's wholly in the pocket of putin. i talked about the harsh language from all sides with ohio republican governor john kasich, former rival of

president trump in the 2016 presidential election. governor, whether it's secretary clinton saying you can't be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, eric holder saying, when they go low, we kick them, is it fair to equate that with some of the vitriol, the language we've heard from the president? >> well, i think their language was completely inappropriate. in fact, i criticized hillary for it and was shocked that she said that, however, anderson, look, i'm the governor of ohio, and i have the biggest megaphone in the state. i mean, other political people can say things, ones who are office holders, but i've got the biggest megaphone. and therefore, i have the greatest responsibility. the president of the united states has the greatest megaphone, really, in the entire world. and the way the president leads and the way he speaks matters. and so, while i would criticize the democrats for saying we should go low, the president of the united states has a big responsibility. we expect more from the leader of our country.

the leader of the free world. and i just want some unity, and i praised him yesterday, anderson, when he started by saying, we all needed to work together -- great. but then don't pivot around and start attacking the press, you know, calling them the enemy of the people. i mean, that's just uncalled for and not appropriate. >> it was interesting, former president george w. bush last night talked about the press. and one of the things he said, and i'm quote egg, he said you want the press to be active with powerful people because you want the press to hold people powerful people account and keep people honest as long as they're honest. it's just so interesting that this president seems to be incapable of having the same -- i don't know if it's respect that needs to be had, but understanding of what the job of the press is. >> well, you know, look, the press is a critical part of a free society. and of course, people in politics, a lot of times they don't like what the press has to say, because they can make it difficult. that's their job.

and you need to respect that. but what i'm really concerned about is -- i'm really concerned about whether the president, and i'm starting to think it's not possible for him, unless there's a damascus road experience, is unable to bring people together. that he does play to this base. that he uses this language. and i guess what we're seeing now is the unwillingness to take any personal responsibility and put it off on somebody else. look, this is not a personal attack on donald trump. i want him to do better. when i heard his initial statement yesterday about, we needed to get together, i praised him for it. that's what i want to see. but i don't want to see then a pivot to more attacks and more rhetoric. and it holds true for the democrats, as well. they've got to be very careful about the way they conduct themselves and the way in which they scare people. >> you know, president trump at his rally last night, you know, when he was talking on the

teleprompter, as you mentioned, he was talking about unity and not saying terrible things about your political opponents. but then he went on to say something off-script, it seemed, and i want to play that for our viewers. >> and by the way, do you see how nice i'm behaving tonight? have you ever seen this? we're all behaving very well. and hopefully we can keep it that way, right? >> it was interesting to me to hear that, because it does seem like -- he says something scripted and then it's a wink and a nod to supporters that what he's saying about coming together isn't really what he wants to say or isn't really what he may be saying the next day. >> look, he has an opportunity, if he would seize it, to really bring people together. that is one of the jobs of a president, to calm people. it's the job of any big-time leader. whether you're the ceo, whether you're the governor of ohio,

part of your job is to calm people down. yes, we can say that we have problems. but your choice is, you can say we have problems and beat them down and frighten them or you can say, we have problems, but guess what? together, we can pull out of it. we can fix it. that's called giving hope. it's not called dividing people or frightening people for political gain. i believe we need unity. and here's what i also believe. i believe that the people of this country are good and that the people of this country want to solve problems. and i believe the people of this country want to be together to solve problems that exist in their neighborhoods. so while we focus on this, why don't we also take some of our frustration and figure out how we can work with other people to solve things that are in our neighborhoods. >> governor kasich, appreciate your time as always. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. one more update on what's been going on in the building here for the last hour or so. the bomb squad found nothing

dangerous and a few minutes ago, gave the all-clear. i want to thank them for their efforts. let's check in with chris. >> people are super sensitive right now, and getting a little bit of a glimpse into that process, they are so fast to the scene. i mean, look, i hate to see our best tested this first responders are no joke, their ability to detect a threat. to determine what needs to be done. to evacuate. extraordinary. that was a great interview with you and the governor, there's a gap, right? he's staying things people want to hear. and we should be hearing from leadership right now, but we're not about the people around donald trump are giving him a different message. consolation. reenforcement. we have one of his main supporters on tonight. florida congressman. and we're going to have a discussion about what needs to change and who needs to change. and who should go first and why. i'm working on a closing

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it ensures the closest ambulance remains on-call during paid breaks "so that they can respond immediately when needed." vote yes on 11. two law enforcement officials believe several of the packages were sent through a postal service distribution center not far from miami. authorities are not treating these devices as a hoax. here to help us decipher what we know so far, a former senior official with the fbi. bomb analyst. i wonder what you're making of

this. >> the forensic side and then trying to get into the mind-set of whoever these people are. we have been talking to sources since it began. we're told now, several of these devices have been transported from a new york area back to virginia, they'll undergo analysis. we're learning about some of the characteristics of these devices, we saw some of the initial reporting that there was some type of isis flag on the devices, we talked to some of our sources that are telling us now that law enforcement is not giving credence to that, they don't think this is international terrorism. it looks to be some sort of parody. isis flag. they're trying to rule things out. there's initial pieces as far as getting in the mind-set of the person. law enforcement is behaving heavily on the analysis. the profilers. what are the characteristics involved of someone who would do something like this, and it's going to come down to the target set, the people they chose to go after.

why none of the devices detonated. there's a 100% failure rate, if this was intended to kill people. was it intended to scare people. which would still be terrorism. >> we know there were 10 devices, from what we know in your expertise. how difficult is it to make, and how likely is it that they were all made by one person. >> it's difficult to say at this point. overall, the devices don't seem to be overly sophisticated. it's also not as if it would take days or weeks for an individual to construct 10 devices let's say with the appropriate level of knowledge >> and i'm relying on you with your expertise. not to give anybody any ideas.

when i talked to other people, they all say, this information how to make these, it's on the internet, people out there who want to find it already know where to find it. >> that's true. the individual doesn't necessarily have to have a sophisticated level of knowledge to construct a device such as this. there is a lot of information available on the internet nowadays, and people are -- can certainly access that type of information. >> the fact that there's also writing and whatever forensic clues there may be on the devices, packaging or dna. even just the handwriting samples, that is something that can be compared to everybody who's ever written any of these public officials, you know, threatening letters. >> that's true, and quantico, virginia. the site of the fbi's laboratory is a focal point for

this investigation for two reasons. this is where these devices have now been taken. the examiners will be going through them. trying to conduct this surgical examination. they're going to try to compare that with known intelligence that they have on past devices. there's a repository that sits at quantico, where they've collected devices for several decades. they can run through leads and tips. run through commonalities. the tactics and handwriting. whatever the make-up happens to be, next to that facility, at quantico, a bomb laboratory is the behavioral analysis unit. the same people that are going to be going through what does it mean if a person did a certain thing, what they're dealing with, we're told at least as of a few hours ago, they're not honing in on one particular person. this is still an investigation that's very much in its infancy, it's all hands on deck. spanning coast to coast, up to new york, a lot of resources that are being involved. >> josh campbell, quick

reminder, full circle is our new daily interactive newscast on facebook. watch it week nights at 6:25 p.m. eastern. the news continues right now. i want to hand it over to chris, cuomo prime time starts right now. >> i am chris cuomo, welcome to prime time, this has become a two prong search, one for the person or people responsible for the bombs, we have new information coming on how some of the devices were sent. the other which is arguably just as important, the search for the leadership necessary to change our toxic political dynamic, on that front, the president meant what he said last night, about what he would do to make things better, which was not one damn thing. and sure enough, starting soon after the bombs were discovers and growing by the hour since, he and his fox proxies, mouthpieces and patsys they have all ratcheted up the rhetoric. yes, this president still ha