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roughly 5 feet away from the moving casings. he did not get a clear immg age the gunman, and he was able to go back to the tree of life congregation, saw they were hidden and he couldn't really find anybody. and i'm not sure how familiar you are with the was able to safely evacuate himself from the synagogue. >> i think everyone will remember october 27th. >> at this moment of hope suddenly an act of a man ran into the synagogue and with weapons murdered 11 in cold blood. >> i feel we are all attack. >> this is a case they had an armed guard inside, they might have been able to stop him immediately. >> we are hearing from synagogues all over the world and not only their condolences but their expressions of
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solidarity. >> we are strong and we are going to remain that way. >> we have to watch each other's back and we have to be there for each other. >> indeed, watching each other's back here. good morning to you. welcome. i'm christi paul. victor blackwell, my colleague, is live in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, this morning, with the latest there as those people try to reconcile their grief with the process that comes next. victor? >> christi, i am just about a block was he from the tree of life synagogue. you can see it there at the top of the hill over my shoulder and still a significant law enforcement footprint keeping people away from that synagogue. a crime scene still this morning and in a few hours, this community will hear the list of names of those who were killed. the 11 people who lost their lives.
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but loyal this tight-knit squirrel hill community, they know the names of the people who did not come home. cell phones that were not answered, the houses that have been untouched since the tragedy hit this community. now this morning, the suspected shooter, robert bowers, he faces federal hate crime charges after police say he stormed into that synagogue, unleashed torrent of bullets on worshipers and in all the mass murderer faces 11 counts of murder and according to a criminal complaint filed last night the suspected killer told s.w.a.t. officers he wanted more to die. a news conference will be held and likely release the names. agents say the suspects online profile, that will be an important focus here. >> we are in the early stages of
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this investigation and over the next several days and weeks, we will look at everything in the suspect's holife. his home, his vehicle and social media and movements over the last several days. we have no evidence that bowers was known to law enforcement before today. >> reporter: this morning we will talk about how the community moves forward and what is next for bowers and the investigation. first, let's start with how yesterday unfolded. ♪ >> reporter: a somber vigil outside the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh, as thousands gathered to remember those killed in one of the deadliest attacks on the jewish community in the history of the united states. >> i think everybody will remember october 27th. i think that is going to be -- that is going to be a date that is etched in everybody's mind. but i think that squirrel hill is strong and we are going to remain that way.
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>> reporter: 11 people killed, six injured, including four police officers who exchanged gunfire with the suspect at the scene in the historic jewish neighborhood of squirrel hill. 911 calls about an active shooter came in before 10:00 a.m. saturday during sabbath services. police radio. >> we have a guy barricaded and shooting at s.w.a.t. officers. >> officer shot. one officer shot at this time. third floor contained in one room. one operator down. >> reporter: the 46-year-old robert bowers surrendered after shot several times by police and faces more than two dozen offenses including federal hate crime charges and he could face the death penalty ir. >> this is the most horrific scene.
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people were brutally murdered by a gunman targeting them simply because of their faith. >> reporter: pittsburgh police say bowers made anti--semitic statements during the shooting and in custody receiving medical treatment he reportedly told police, quote, he wanted all jews to die committing genocide so his people. he blamed jews for helping migrant caravans and called those in migrant caravans, quote, invaders. he posted this hours before the shooting. >> my heart breaks for the members of the jewish community. today, all of pennsylvania mourns with you. anti-semitism has absolutely no place in our commonwealth. any attack on one community of faith in pennsylvania is an attack against every community of faith in pennsylvania.
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>> reporter: let's bring in jean casarez who is live at a pittsburgh hospital where a lot of the victims were taken. we understand that some of those emergency room doctors there did something maybe they describe it as ordinary but it was pretty heroic yesterday. >> reporter: absolutely amazing. victor, what we learned yesterday, three emergency room physicians went to the scene and began to triage the wounded before they were brought to one of the several trauma centers here. i'm here at the university of pittsburgh medical center presbyterian. one of several trauma centers in the city. four of the six surviving victims are at this hospital and, at last we know that two were in critical condition. one being a 70-year-old victim, a man, and he was shot multiple times indirectly in the major
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oer organs. he underwent first surgery yesterday and he had to undergo a second surgery yesterday and in critical condition and we are waiting to find out if he made it through the night. the other in critical condition, a 55-year-old police officer shot multiple times in the torso and his extremities. now beyond that, we know there is a 61-year-old female victim that is in a trauma center tonight, early this morning, actually, and then also two other officers. one officer was actually sent home from the hospital last night. very good news. we weren't there when this all happened, but audio, dispatched audio captured exactly what was happening as the victims were being shot. we want to play that for you now. >> front door. we got to evacuate some of these hostages.
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the federal criminal complaint gives us even more detail about the officers' injuries. two officers at the front door meeting the suspect shot in the
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hand and also shrapnel and glass injuries, but it was on the third floor of that building, s.w.a.t. went up to the third floor. the suspect had re-entered and that is where a gunfire exchange occurred and the officer who is in critical condition was one of the two injured on that third floor currently right here at the trauma center behind me. victor? >> reporter: yeah, and investigators say that this shooter was in that synagogue for 20 minutes, which is quite a long time after hearing that dispatch audio really drives home the terror that people were facing inside that building. jean casarez there at the hospital, thank you so much. officials are building this profile of the alleged synagogue shooter and interviewing some of his neighbors. let's go now to cnn correspondent miguel marques who is outside of the suspects home with more details for us. >> reporter: for several hours, federal agents have been going through mr. bowers apartment behind me here.
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they took no chance coming into this neighborhood. they cordoned off the roads for several hours and then brought the bomb squad in to make sure there was nothing dangerous so they could get in there and do their jobs. now members of the alcohol, tobacco, and firearms and the februa federal bureau of investigation in that apartment no several hours. taking gear in and taking things out so they can look into and paint a full picture of this man, as full as they can, and also gather as much evidence as the case against him moves forward. we spoke to several neighbors. most had very little to say about him. one said he saw him come and go didn't seem very remarkable. another had a couple of conversations but nothing more than a hi and a bye. one person who lived next typically his apartment shared a wall with him says that the only thing was with odd he watched television at loud volumes at odd hours.
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his fiancee say he was a truckdriver and sound like he was listening to news at strange hours of the day and he was here sometimes and gone for many days. this is one of several locations where mr. bowers would have bounced arn in this area over several years and sounds from neighbors that he had been here for about two years. but as quiet as he was in his life here in this neighborhood, he was certainly much more vocal online, expressing anger at jews, at the caravan coming up from south america. in particular, he was angry at a jewish resettlement organization where the hebrew immigrant had gone to the border in support of the caravan and they resell all colors and creeds and countries and like in pittsburgh, he was angry about them and had posted about them.
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then minutes, just shortly before opening fire at that synagogue, he posted, i can't stand by and watch my people get slaughtered. screw your optics. i'm going in. back to you. >> miguel, thank you. let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst and retired fbi supervisor special agent james gagliano and cnn's criminal and defense attorney joey jackson. james, start with you. first 20 hours or so on morning after, what is this investigation likely look like now? >> victor, it was less than 24 hours ago we learned on the set in new york of the horrific shooting. it's hard to believe but just a couple of months ago the capital gazette happened in maryland. and they seem to proliferate. here is what is going on right now.
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the shooter has been charged with a hate crime and that is a federal statute that stays he has been charged with a crime motivated by prejudice. that means in this instance that prejudice or imagery was aimed at the jewish community. two things they are focused on. search his home. were there any accomplices and anybody who provided material support or directed this individual to do that. knowledge beforehand is not necessarily a crime but if you provided them material support. the second thing, i don't think as important because so much out there on the social media platform that this subject professed a lodathing for jews and hateful bigotry and i think he made statements as the police were closing in on him and i'm sure the officers asked him questions in the immediate aftermath.
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because this person didn't ma martyr himself. i think they have a lock set case for a hate crime and i don't think a tough one to prosecute. >> joey, let me give to this now. james says this won't be a tough one to prosecute. you're a criminal defense attorney. you have hated crimes. how does one defend against this and how does the hate crimes change this case? >> good morning, victor to you and james. how you defend it is to you with great difficulty. make no mistake about at the time underlying job is for the defense to preserve his life. to james' point this is a compelling case and i think compelling for a variety of reasons. look at the devastation that he caused. look at people who were worshipping. just the sympathetic nature of people who were going to profess their religious hate and descended upon by a person who decides to take their life. so remember that the statute
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carries with it a penalty of death. and i think, you know, you can relate this to the dylann case in south carolina. i gather the defense would be to save and preserve his life. i think three things will be compelling. number one his actions at the scene and any statements that he made of anti-semitic variety which motivated this complete massacre. number two, certainly i think he'll be as investigators go forward, evidence of substantial planning and preparation. number three, i think they will find, as they have been finding based on the anti-semitic rants and remarks on social media the motivations behind it. so it's a very compelling case and hard case to defend. >> thank you both. james, we want you to stick around. after the break we want to get your take on what the president said about the pittsburgh
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death penalty. president trump was condemning bigotry and hatred at his rally in illinois that he said his team was considering options for cancelling before going ahead with it any way. here is what the president had to say last night in m. >> this is an assault on all of us. it's an assault on humanity and require all of us working together to extract the hazel poison of anti-semitism in our world. w this was an anti-semitic attack of its words. it cannot be ignored and cannot be tolerated and it cannot be allowed to continue. >> reporter: now that rally was not the first time the president had addressed the shooting. yesterday, he took several
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opportunities to do so, speaking to reporters aboard air force one and at a farmers event in indiana and talking to reporters at andrews air force base where he threw out that suggestion about arming security guards at places of worship and suggested perhaps at the synagogue in perhaps had had an armed guard the only casualty might have been the gunman himself. take a listen. >> if they had protection inside the results would have been far better. this is a dispute that will always exist, i suspect. but if they had some kind of a protection inside the temple, maybe it could have been a very much different situation. they didn't. and he was able to do things that, unfortunately, he she shouldn't have been able to do. >> reporter: the flags are at half-staff behind me and the president and first lady host ago halloween event at the white house later today and so it's possible we could hear more from
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the president about this tragedy. >> i want to talk with kelly jane torrance and cnn law enforcement analyst who is retired james gala garr. thank you both for being here. i want to listen to mike pence. the vice president did speak about this as well. >> vegas knows all too well. what happened in pittsburgh today was not just criminal. it was evil. an attack on innocent americans and an assault on our freedom of religion. there is no place in america for violence or anti-semitism and this evil must end. >> james, he and the president seemed to be certainly on the same page there, no doubt about it. in terms of how to move forward, that is where the question lies. you heard the president there just say he believes if armed guards had been in there the
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situation would have been different. first of all, would it have been different, in your opinion? second of all, logistically, how does that although or work? >> i think you know me i'm not a nuanced guy but i'll give you a nuanced answer here. first of all, regarding criminals they are like water. they take the path of least resistance. so, yes, having somebody armed at a particular entry point might have made this person say, this place is hard to get into, i'll go somewhere else. now having that said, hno way putting a sidearm or a pistol or a revolver on security guard would have stopped him. i spent 33 years in the military and the fbi carrying a gun in the service of my country. i'm pretty proficient with one but firearms profishsy is a perishable skill and skills
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degrade if you don't practice. let me give you one quick statistic. it was shown during times of crisis under stress, trained law enforcement officers hit the target 18% of the time. trained law enforcement officers. so that means 1 out of every 5 rounds expended does not hit the target in those type of situations. we cannot expect school teachers, airline pilots, or security guards in front of a begin s synagogue to have that level of efficiency. i understand the deterrent effect. >> it is a deterrent effect? >> i understand from the perspective if you study police sciences across the last century, yes. criminals, it's been said, they are like water and follow the path of least resistance and pick an easier target but not an end all be all. not a panacea to solve the problem here. >> kelly jane, i want to listen
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here to new york mayor bill de blasio because he did not take kindly that armed guard should be in religious institutions. >> we should never blame the victims in an attack like this. we should never suggest that a house of worship has to have an armed guard for people to be able to go about their runningus observance. that is not america. that is certainly not new york city. we do not require houses of worship to have an armed guard. >> why has there not, kelly jane, after vegas, as we heard from the vice president there, after the shootings in texas and this school in santa fe at the first baptist church and parkland, florida, in february, why has there not been a better answer than let's add more guns to the equation? >> it's a difficult question. it seemed like a non sequitur
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for donald trump to say if they had an armed guard there this wouldn't have happened. i think de blasio had a look to blame the victim. in organizations that face a lot of hate like the jewish community they might decide and talk about do we want an armed guard or do we like something like this and seem a little less welcoming or feel a little bit more safe? for the president to mention it in his first remarks about this tragedy was really shocking and it made no sense at all and it did seem like he was saying if they had an armed guard they have been okay. that is not the reaction we should be having. we should be having this is a terrible tragedy. the shooter is the one to blame and let's wait and find out what his motives were and what led him to commit such a terrible act. >> i don't know that the president was blaming the victim in this case so much. we need to be very clear about
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that. >> right. >> he did not say it was their fault. >> no, of course. >> when we look at this area we are as close to mid terms as we are, how much do you think this conversation now with what we have seen in the last 72 hours is going to drive what people do next week? >> right. well, it is going to -- it is certainly going to make things tense and people will be thinking about this in the midterms. we don't know did the guy buy his guns legally and how did he get them? a lot of times the gun control suggestions that come out after a tragedy like this. the suggestions were followed and in place. this person often could have gotten the gun any way. it's hard because you don't want to politicize something immediately but we wonder how can we stop this and debate i think not have just in the heat of the moment but throughout the year and look at this seriously and without passion.
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>> we appreciate both of your insights. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> absolutely. so coming up, a little known social media sight is at the center of the synagogue investigation. details on what we know now about gab.com. with my hepatitis c, i felt i couldn't be at my best for my family. in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. i faced reminders of my hep c every day.
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pittsburgh the morning after investigators say robert bowers went into that synagogue at the top of the hill behind me here and killed 11 people. six are wounded and he's in custody at a hospital after being shot. here with me is a staff writer for "the pittsburgh tribune." megan was on the scene at the synagogue yesterday. good morning to you. how quickly after, you know, now we know the time line, were you here on scene? >> i was here a little after 10:30. so shortly after things started becoming known outside of the 911 dispatches. >> reporter: this is, obviously, a typical for squirrel hill to have police press like this. how did you get an idea of what you saw here, the footprint and the swath that it was as grave as we now know it was. >> as soon as i got here, really. it was still an active scene when i got here. there were s.w.a.t. teams in military outfits and something
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i've never become across before in my coverage. they all running in the same direction and still very active to the point there were still police officers telling residents and the media to get inside, to get back. it's not safe on the street. >> reporter: we were talking off camera every position you chose was too close for them. >> right, right. everywhere was you need to get back. >> reporter: tell us about this community. >> it's quiet. it's close-knit even though it's in size it's a large community, a large neighborhood. it's really close-knit and squirrel hill is really the epi center of the jewish community in pittsburgh. and it's quiet. >> reporter: so we are expecting that the names of the 11 people who were killed will be released in just a couple of hours. but because you say this is close-knit, you expected people here already knows those names? >> i have no doubt. i had some family members actually messaging me on social media asking if i had any
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information about their loved ones. so word has definitely gotten out. and people are just heartbroken. >> reporter: in the early moments when you got here, you said about 10:30 and this happened within 20 minutes, were the s.w.a.t. members, were the police officers, did you get any hint that they thought there might have been an additional person involved? >> i don't think so. i don't think it was clear at that point. it was still a very active scene and they were just focused on getting into the building and seeing exactly what the threat was and going from there. >> reporter: yeah. we have seen vigils since this shooting happened and this community and the surrounding community come together in solidarity with squirrel hill. what have you seen and what do you know about this community to inform how they will move forward? >> i think the phrase last night was -- at the vigil, "we are still squirrel hill." i think that will be the
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sentiment throughout this -- through the grieving period and through the eventual healing period. it's close-knit. they are going to get through it together. >> reporter: megan guza, thank you for being with me this morning. >> thank you. >> christi, i think important what megan just said there. this is a close-knit community and the motto, we are still squirrel hill, we will see in the days and weeks ahead as this community tries to find a way to reconcile what they saw here yesterday and move forward. >> no doubt about it. victor, thank you. the fbi is looking into posts that were made to this little known social media site to build its case against the accused synagogue shooter. coming up, we are learning about gab.com. a so-called network that champions free speech. first, if you could contact
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it has a relatively small user base but gab's claim to fame you can post about anything. it says it's a free speech utopia where some of the kind of restrictions on twitter and facebook against hate speech, for example, don't always xifex on gab. the company says it has some restrictions and works with law enforcement but the site is a favorite of hate groups and bigots and somebody get blocked on twitter, they go over to gab and use it instead. this suspect in pittsburgh, he was posting all sorts of anti-semitic hate speech and trash on his gab page and it was taken down shortly after the killing spree. here is what gab says in a statement. the company has come under a lot of criticism the last 24 hours. they say we have nothing but love for all people in freedom. here is the argument. if people cannot express themselves through words, they will do so through violence. no one wants that. no one. so that is the statement from gab. but there is a bigger problem
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here. forget about gab. it probably won't exist in a few days and replaced by another site that will be a home, a swap for hateful people for racist people and bigots the biggest issue people can be radicalized on the internet. radical domestic terrorists are able to find a home. i think all of us who live in a free society and love the internet, we have to recognize that downside, that problem. >> are there consequences for gab? are there real consequences for twitter to try to manage this better, to alert authorities and when they don't, there could be a consequence for them and perhaps that would deter some of these smaller sites that give people freedom for hate? >> yeah. the consequences for gab are essentially capitalistic marketplace consequences. they said overnight that they are hosting service, the company that keeps them on the world
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wide web has threatened to take them down. that could be a business model, a marketplace consequence where the marketplace is voting. but, you know, whether gab goes away or not, other sites will pop up like it. and this issue becomes a civil liberties question. civil liberties versus security, how much we want to give up and how much we want to preserve. this guy in pittsburgh could have sat on a street corner in pittsburgh and screamed this hateful stuff. the difference in a internet he can find another connection. both suspects of this and the mailbox seem to be have far right wing ya where they were reading about hateful ideas. the suspect in pittsburgh was posting about grants and illegal invaders in his term. he apparently was consuming news about the caravan.
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he said he went into that building because he was reading about refuge programs in pittsburgh. part of the problem here is political rhetoric. >> no doubt. brian stelter, very good point to make. thank you so much. >> thanks. stay close, brian will be on later today at 11:00. after the break, one man survived the synagogue attack because of skills he had learned, his son says, at an active shooter training session. he says that is what saved his life. you're going to hear from his son next. my name is jeff sheldon,
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i'm victor blackwell live in pittsburgh. as the country mourns the massacre that happened at this synagogue and the 11 people who were killed, we are hearing stories of hope and survival. cnn spoke with zachary wise earlier whose father survived
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the shooting and he said active trainer shooting saved his life. >> my father is back home safe and unharmed. the real savior of the day is all those who sacrificed and there was an active shooter training that was put into place last year that a lot of people, including my father, took, which really was able to help in the event of this tragic active shooter incident. the first thing that occurred was he heard a loud noise and a couple of congregatants went to investigate because they felt a senior citizen had a fall or something at the synagogue caused a loud noise. when a couple of the congregatants went down. it was treated as an active shooter situation. my dad was not supposed to be there.
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the family was supposed to be on vacation and it was cancelled. and at the 11th hour, my dad, who has been a 29-year member of tree of life of the congregation and worn many hearts during that process as well as many others have, was called in to assist the rabbi would was also feeling a little under the weather and they helped lead the tree of life portion of that service. when everything occurred with the active shooter situation, following that malice training which was the security measure that i mentioned, they were able to hide in place and my dad was able to go down and make sure they ewere aware and they were already hiding. when he was going upstairs, he saw casings moving and he expressed he was five feet away from the moving casings but did not get a clear image of the gunman. and he was able to go back to the tree of life congregation
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and he couldn't find anybody and i'm not sure how familiar you are with the alice acronym but the e stands for evacuate and when dad saw everybody was hidden in place he did that evacuation and he was able to safely evacuate himself from the sin gone. >> reporter: that active shooter training help to save that one man's life. coming up, how major league baseball honored the victims of the pittsburgh shooting. sleep nd is my competitive edge. it senses our movements and automatically adjusts to keep us both effortlessly comfortable. so i'm at my best for this team... and the home team. sleep number proven quality sleep, from $999. vo: costs are rising.e squeeze. it's hard to keep up. in washington, one party is calling the shots and the middle class isn't being heard. we need a new congress that will cut taxes for the middle class, ensure coverage for people with pre-existing conditions, and protect social security and medicare.
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before game four of the world series last night, the red sox and the dodgers paused for a moment to silence -- or of silence to honor the victims of saturday morning's synagogue massacre. >> announcer: as our nation grieves their loss and their loved once we have our
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commitment to each other and tolerance and justice and dignity that form the foundation of our common bond. please join now in a moment of silence. >> the nfl announced there will also be a moment of silence before today's game between the pittsburgh steelers and the cleveland browns. >> i think everyone will remember october 27th. >> at this moment of hope suddenly an act of horror where a man ran into the synagogue and with weapons murdered 11 in cold blood. >> i feel we are all attacked. >> this is a case they had an armed guard inside, they might have been able to stop him immediately. >> we are hearing from synagogues all over the world and not only their condolences but their expressions of

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