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tolerance and justice and dignity that form the foundation of our common bond. please join now in a moment of silence. >> the nfl announced there will also be a moment of silence before today's game between the pittsburgh steelers and the cleveland browns. >> i think everyone will remember october 27th. >> at this moment of hope suddenly an act of horror where a man ran into the synagogue and with weapons murdered 11 in cold blood. >> i feel we are all attacked. >> this is a case they had an armed guard inside, they might have been able to stop him immediately. >> we are hearing from synagogues all over the world and not only their condolences but their expressions of solidarity.
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>> squirrel hill is strong. and we are going to remain that way. ♪ >> we have to watch each other's back and we have to be there for each other. good morning. i'm christi paul in atlanta. my colleague victor blackwell is in pittsburgh, pennsylvania right now. i would assume what the people of pittsburgh are doing right now, trying to hold each other up. >> reporter: yes. good morning. i'm a block away from the tree of life synagogue. i just got a copy of pittsburgh post gazette, the sunday edition here. take a look. it's the squirrel hill massacre is the headline. this tight-knit community is now one of those communities, unfortunately, where you can simply say the name and people, unfortunately, remember a tragedy, like sandy hook or san
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bernardino where a large group of people were taken in such tragedy. in just a couple of hours, this community will hear read out from the law enforcement for the first time the list of those 11 who were killed. they likely know those names because they know their neighbors, they know who did not come home, they know the cell phones that were not answered, and we will talk more about those victims and the community in a moment. let's first talk about the suspected shooter robert bowers facing federal hate crime charges after they say he stormed the synagogue and unleashed bullets on the worship there. the alleged mass murder faces 29 federal charges and dozen more state charges. we are learning new details of a criminal complaint filed overnight. court damocuments say the suspected gunman killed 11
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people -- 8 men, 3 women -- and opened fire on police several times. the shooter shot at the s.w.a.t. team as well on the third floor of the synagogue and they were wounded and he was wounded in this gun fight. he told officers he wanted all jews to die. we will learn more when the news conference is held. the fbi has taken charge of this investigation. agents say this is the suspect's online footprint, that will be an important focus here. >> we are in the early stages of this investigation. and over the next several days and weeks, we will look at everything in the suspect's life. his home, his vehicle, his social media, and his movements over the last several days. at this point, we have no knowledge that bowers was known to law enforcement before today. >> reporter: more on the next step for the investigation in a moment. first, here is how it all started.
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♪ >> reporter: a somber vigil outside the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh, as thousands gathered to remember those killed in one of the deadliest attacks on the jewish community in the history of the united states. >> i think everybody will remember october 27th. i think that is going to be -- that is going to be a date that is etched in everybody's mind. but i think that squirrel hill is strong and we are going to remain that way. >> reporter: 11 people killed, six injured, including four police officers who exchanged gunfire with the suspect at the scene in the historic jewish neighborhood of squirrel hill. 911 calls about an active shooter came in before 10:00 a.m. saturday during sabbath services. police radio captured the chaos and tactical teams engaged the gunman. >> we have a guy barricaded and shooting at s.w.a.t. officers. >> officer shot. one officer shot at this time.
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third floor contained in one room. one operator down. >> reporter: the 46-year-old robert bowers surrendered after shot several times by police and faces more than two dozen offenses including federal hate crime charges and he could face the death penalty. >> this is the most horrific crime scene i've seen in 22 years with the federal bureau of investigation. members of the tree of life synagogue conducting a peaceful service in their place of worship were brutally murdered by a gunman targeting them simply because of their faith. >> reporter: pittsburgh police say bowers made antisemitic statements during the shooting and in custody receiving medical treatment he reportedly told police, quote, he wanted all jews to die committing genocide to his people. he posted on social media including gab, a so-called free speech network blaming jews for helping migrant caravans and
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called those in migrant caravans, quote, invaders. five minutes before the shooting, bowers posted this. >> my heart breaks for the members of the jewish community. today, all of pennsylvania mourns with you. antisemitism has absolutely no place in our commonwealth. any attack on one community of faith in pennsylvania is an attack against every community of faith in pennsylvania. >> reporter: let's learn more about those who were injured and go to jean casarez at a pittsburgh hospital. what have we learned about the survivors of the shooting but the emergency room doctors who jumped in to help? >> reporter: absolutely amazing, victor. there are six surviving victims
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and i just received accordancor that all of the conditions remain the same. that is very good news because that means that the two in critical condition have, in fact, made it through the night. and we do know that a 70-year-old victim who had received multiple gunshot wounds to his torso affecting major organs underwent two surgeries yesterday. they have said a third may be necessary, but he remains in critical condition this morning, as well as a 55-year-old officer who confronted the suspect in the synagogue, multiple injuries to his extremities, remains in critical condition. we also have a 61-year-old victim, a female, as well as two other police officers. one police officer was actually released from the hospital. but what we do know is that there were three emergency room sf physicians that went to the seen
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and triaged the wounded. we weren't there, but cnn has recovered the actual dispatch audio as this all was going down. listen to it for yourself.
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>> reporter: we will learn more at a news conference a little later this morning. jean casarez, thank you so much. christi, back to you in atlanta. victor, thank you very much. president trump is again calling for unity after the pittsburgh synagogue massacre. he follow through with a scheduled campaign rally in illinois which he considered cancelling at one point we know. the president said terror cannot be allowed to interrupt our lives and said an armed guard may have prevented that attack. cnn white house reporter sarah westwood is with us now. what did he say yesterday, sarah? >> reporter: well, the president trump was condemning bigotry and condemning antisemitism at that rally in illinois last night.
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you mentioned white aides look at an option cancelling out of respect for the 11 people who loved their lives in pennsylvania yesterday but opted to go ahead and hold the campaign rally any way. now the president did demonstrate a more moderated tone and restrained his focus more to policy than we usually see at these rallies. take a listen to what he said. >> this is an assault on all of us. it's an assault on humanity and require all of us working together to extract the hazel poison of anti-semitism in our world. this was an anti-semitic attack at its worst. the scoring of anti-semitism cannot be tolerated and cannot be allowed to continue. >> reporter: was this not the first time the president
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addressed the shooting. he done so several times throughout the course of saturday. one of them being at a farmers event in indiana. and speaking to reporters as he was leaving washington at andrews air force base the president threw out several options for preventing this tragedy in the future. one of them was strengthening the death penalty that people who commit these heinous attacks should pay the price but the other was putting armed guards in houses of worships and churches and synagogue like the one attacked yesterday. he suggested that the synagogue in pennsylvania might have only had one casualty, the gunman, if an armed guard had been there. >> if they had protection inside the results would have been far better. this is a dispute that will always exist, i suspect. but if they had some kind of a protection inside the temple, maybe it could have been a very much different situation. they didn't. and he was able to do things that, unfortunately, he shouldn't have been able to do.
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>> reporter: the flags at the white yinted behind me are at half-staff in honor of the people who died yesterday. the president and first lady are holding a halloween event at the white house later so it's possible we could hear more about this tragedy today. >> thank you, sarah westwood. we have cnn political commentator errol louis with us and political analyst for spectrum news as well. i can't believe just yesterday we were sitting together talking about these bomb packages and now talking about 11 people who have died in this massacre. we heard those two options from the president. he certainly said things that the people probably needed to hear. he said this was anti-semitic attack and it was the worst, it was evil. but when he starts talking about armed guards, new york mayor bill de blasio did not take
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kindly to that. let's listen to what he said. >> we should never blame the victims in an attack like this. we should never suggest that a house of worship has to have an armed guard for people to be able to go about their religious observance. that is not america. that is certainly not new york city. we do not require houses of worship to have an armed guard. >> reporter: for clarity, the president didn't -- as far as we can tell -- blame the victims. are armed guards an option? >> i would disagree with you there, i have to say. that sounded a lot like blaming the victim. if only they had an armed guard. that is a nonstarter particularly in new york city. i special in synagogues. a friend who is bar mitzvah and he is and out of synagogues. you don't have to have an armed guard all over the place.
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as a practical matter, i think we now know, just from the accounts that we have received so far, that even when fully armed, highly trained police officers responded, four of them were shot. so the suggestion that we have more shoot-outs as a way to prevent these massacres is really -- it really doesn't make a lot of sense and it's not the president really leaning on this issue. anybody can speculate. gee, what if we had a better shoot-out, maybe it would have happened differently. that is not leadership and not an answer. i think it should be clear to most people that leadership has to come from below. we as a society got ourselves into this situation and it's we as a society, not the political leadership, that gets us out. >> people want to hear -- a lot of people want to hear -- they need a moment to absorb what is happening, certainly. but they want answers and they want to know something is being done to try to stop this. what did you need to hear from
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the president? >> having met, interviewed, and covered the president, i wasn't expecting much to tell you the truth. >> what do we need to hear? i. somebody who has some passion and empathy. not calling for hardened houses of worship and more guns' sitting back. a lot of the president's tweets and his comments made him sound like a bystander like rest of us. what a terrible thing, what a terrible tragedy. what we do need to haerear is a path forward. we need to hear the toxic of mental illness and universal availability of gun's social media that stokes a lot of it and public hate speech the president has been slow to recognize or condemn. that toxic brew, when it's all put together create the conditions that allow this kind of thing to happen.
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so recognizing that it is complicated instead of having more guns would be what we need to hear. >> thank you, louis. a reporter for the pittsburgh tribune tells us about the scene she encountered at the synagogue massacre. we have that for you next, as well as trying to really grasp the picture of how this community is coping and going forward this morning.
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this is, obviously, the white house. you see atop that staff, the flag there at half-staff in response to the mass shooting that happened here in pittsburgh yesterday. let's talk about the investigation and what we are expecting to learn today. officials are gathering more
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evidence and building a profile of the suspected shooter. they are talking to some of his neighbors. one of his neighbors said that he mainly kept to himself. >> he kept to himself. he would smoke cigarettes in his car. go for a drive and be back at odd hours. tv would be on but i couldn't really hear. >> definite a girlfriend or boyfriend? >> nobody. >> did he talk about being from pittsburgh or do you have any -- >> i have no -- i have nothing. i wish i was more neighborly. maybe i wish i wasn't as neighborly. i don't know. i don't know. >> reporter: let's bring in cnn law enforcement cedric tanner and a former anti-terrorism agent and gentlemen, good morning to all of you. >> good morning. >> i'll start with you. how important -- i mean, we, of course, wanted to learn more about this suspect, but how important is the conversation
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with the neighbor, with the coworker to the investigation? >> well, they are going to try to put together a profile of this individual, so we are going to peel back the layers of his life going back months, maybe even years. just topics with neighbors. did he say anything that would cause you some concern? did anybody help him? was there a conspiracy involved here? were there any other people involved some so, i mean, they are going to put together a fairly good package, especially if they are going to look at the death penalty here. so, you know, they have got plenty of time here to conduct this investigation. and they are going to go all the way back. he has several addresses in his record. he doesn't have a criminal history that i have found but, you know, they are going to peel back several layers of this individual's life and find out exactly what this person is all about. >> cedric, weigh in on president
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trump's suggestion as citing that if the tree of life synagogue had an armed guard at the door, that that potentially would have saved some lives. your thoughts on that. >> good morning, victor. first of all, let me respond to that. sad to say, unfortunately, after such a tragic event as that, i don't think that should be the initial response for anyone. it really is a time of sympathy and empathy and show compassion and concern. tour question, quite frankly, that does not guarantee in any stretch of the imagination that this event would not have occurred. but the notion or the idea to think somehow that an armed guard at a church or synagogue in this place and would have somehow interrupted this dastardly event, i really can't finds for it.
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certainly, in a free society in which we live, any -- any -- any religious group, any organization can hire an armed guard, but we have to ask ourselves a bigger question as a nation -- do we really want to see ourselves as having armed guards when we go to worship in our respective places? i don't think that was a an appropriate response, quite frankly, to such a horrific event, and we should consider ourselves as a nation and try to figure out and ask ourselves a nor complex question -- how do we move forward? so we are all responsible for each other and we all are safe and we don't have to feel that every place we go, whether in a religious institution or wherever it happened to be, that we should have an armed guard. that should not be the standard. >> reporter: tim, let me come to you. we know synagogues across the country, namely d.c., their
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local police, as this described it, increasing attention paid to synagogues there. what is the realistic possibility of a copycat crime like this? >> an extreme possibly and the problem with this level of coverage. unfortunately, we have to talk about these crimes. these individuals do a lot of it for knnotoriety. the fbi will be involved in this case and deeply looking into this person's background so we can learn from him to prevent future crimes like this. i would disagree with my colleague there about whether the possibility of having an armed guard or anyone with a gun there might have dissuaded this individual or prevented an attack. it's clearly shown where armed citizens are not only able to prevent attacks or stop attacks, but also help police officers who are being attacked. so we can't say that there is not a possibility that it could
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have helped. i as a person who trained civilians regularly in firearms believe that the individual that wants to prevent an attack, if they are dedicated and motivated and they have the element of surprise, they can be very effective and preventing these types of mass shootings early on. i agree that a man with an ar against an individual with a pistol it may be an uneven go fight but maybe they have a level of defense that isn't presence there. >> let me respond to that. i think the whole point here is being missed. it's not fact that they could have had an armed guard that may have minimized that threat. that may or may not have happened. the bigger issue here, as you heard from mayor de blasio earlier, is that we are a nation where we should not feel that we have to have armed guards at our synagogues and our churches. that is the bigger issue. it's not as simplistic as having
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a guard stationed at the door. it's more of a complex issue is where are we going as a nation and what is happening in our country that is causing us to have to have armed guards. or consider half-armed guards at a synagogue. this group of people that were there for renaming ceremony of a child should not have felt that they should have been armed with weapons or should have been trained in case of an attack. that is not the nation that we are. and i hope that is not the nation that we become. it's not that simple of a response. it is a more complex issue that we need to address and we need to address as a nation. >> art, let me get you back into the conversation. as soon as shootings like this, after, some say we need to talk about the availability of these types of guns. we know from law enforcement sources he had one assault weapon, three handguns as well.
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and then there are some who are opposed to gun control measure saying this is not the time. from your perspective, is this the type to have the gun conversation? >> you know, we have this every single time after one of these shootings. we talk about gun control issues and do i think that there is loopholes that can be, you know, tightened up within the current gun regulations? yes, i do believe there is but i believe the biggest gap is the mental health issue. you can lie on the forum to purchase a weapon and i think initially our initial indication here is that this particular individual legally purchased these firearms. but on that form when you go to purchase a weapon, form 4473, there is a mental health question on there but there is no way for that question to be checked through any type of database. so basically it's the honesty of
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the individual filling out that form that they don't have a mental health issue and i think the biggest gap we have here, especially if we find out and confirm the fact that this individual purchased these weapons legally. >> art and tim and cedric, thank you all for the conversation. christi, back to you in atlanta. >> victor, thank you so much. great conversation there. three crimes in 72 hours is what we are talking about this morning. and it renews the conversation about hate in america. we will talk about it. stay close. nothing says fall like a homecoming football game, so let's promote our fall travel deal on choicehotels.com like this. touchdown. earn a free night when you stay just twice this fall. or, badda book. badda boom.
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three incidents, 72 hours, one thing in common -- hate. yesterday, suspect robert bowers, police say, opened fire at a pittsburgh synagogue, shouting anti-semitic slurs and killing 11 people and on friday cesar sayoc was arrested for sending mail bombs to the president. and let's talk about what happened here with adam hertzman, a marketing director of the jewish federation of pittsburgh. it's been 21 hours or so now,
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you've had some time to sit with this. what going through your mind this morning? >> i am still shocked. i think the whole community is. nobody got a lot of sleep last night. in general, the pittsburgh jewish community has been one of the safest in the country and that just makes this incident even more shocking. >> you know this synagogue. what would have been happening 9:15, 10:00 a.m. on a saturday? >> it's typically saturday morning prayers. they often start at 9:15, 9:30. people wander in sometimes a little bit late. in this case, as i understand it, a jewish baby naming ceremony and it would have been a welcoming and joyous time for people to get together. >> how does this neighborhood get together? not just the squirrel hill neighborhood but the neighborhood surrounding as we talk he is vigil last night? >> the pittsburgh jewish
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community is really, really tight-knit. really an attack on one person feels like an attack on my family because it's like a family. i've seen an amazing outpouring of support, not from -- not just from jewish pittsburgh but the entire jewish community and squirrel hill and other communities where the jewish community is will come together the next couple of days. >> i'm not asking for name here but do you know any of the names of the people killed here? >> i don't know yet. as i understand it, the families may have been notified last night but we are still waiting for this morning. >> reporter: one of the things that everyone is battling with is that you can't legislate love. you can't legislate tolerance or acceptance. so what does one do? how do we change? this is a big question, but how do we change the atmosphere here? >> i think what we have been trying to do at the jewish
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federation of the greater pittsburgh and what of the jewish organizations and synagogues are trying to do is bring people together and understand we are stronger together both in terms of outreach and in terms of programming and in terms of helping people in need. it's a matter of realizing that we are all part of one community and that if we rely on each other, we are going to be stronger. >> adam hertzman, thank you so much, especially during this time and spending a few minutes with us. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> christi, i send it back to you here from pittsburgh. hear from a lot of people even if they did not know someone who was killed or injured personally there yesterday, that they are feeling it because of the texture of the squirrel hill community. >> no doubt about it. victor, thank you so much. helping us really understand what it's like for those people this morning. earlier, we spoke to a staff writer at pittsburgh tribune review who was at the scene at the synagogue as the scene was
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president trump condemned the pittsburgh synagogue shooting calling it a wicked mass of mass murderen and anti-semitic crime. michelle murphy and jeff balabond is an adviser to the trump campaign.
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we appreciate you both being here. we need clarity to this. the president seemed to ignore the truth again last night, justifying and holding a scheduled campaign rally by citing how the new york stock exchange reopened after the 9/11 terror attacks. in reality the new york stock exchange waited six days before they reopened. rochelle, do you believe that the president's tone matched the political moment last night? >> no, i don't. i think what we have seen with these bomb scares across the country, as well as the unfortunate massacre that we saw in pittsburgh, is an example of hate speech turning into hate crimes. and i would have thought that the president would have been more somber and more angry in his rhetoric or his response simply because of his daughter ivanka and his son-in-law jared kushner being of the jewish faith. instead we saw the president
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tweeting about baseball and managing a baseball team instead of managing the tensions in this country. it's disheartening to see this president come the way he has and say possibly a gun would have prevented this massacre inside that have synagogue. >> i want to go to you, jeff, because i want to go to a tweet that you put out just seven hours ago. you said, i am in mourning tonight for today's innocent dead jews and those who surely will follow and i am sick tonight because i see nothing but politicization of this tragedy. please, please stop. you're making all jews everywhere political targets. when you heard from the president yesterday, do you feel you heard what you had needed to hear? >> i'll ask for something i don't usually on a news program where speech is what matters and i'll ask if it's possible not to politicize and start with literally just five seconds of silence for the victims yesterday, both jewish and
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african-american. just five seconds. >> absolutely. >> you live in a time, very clear about this. the jews that were targeted yesterday and the african-americans their targeted yesterday, were not targeted because they were right wing or left wing or republican or democrat or conservative or liberal or globists or nationalists or socialist or capitalists. they were targeted because they were jews and impabecause they black. we live in an age we are so politicized that rather than point fingers and rather realize we each hear the other side talking and we assume the worse. the fact that is the message i heard resonated well with me but i recognize because i assume the best for the president because i've come to know him as a man i believe has the best for the
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jewish community and america at heart. we have come to the point of politicization and anger where we believe the worst of each other and it's led to this kind of violence. the fact is that even the association of these acts with the pipe bombing. the pipe bombing was directed at the highest profile political figures and whether it was a bomb or a hoax we don't know that yet. but these are acts that are to shoot innocent americans because they are black, they are jewish and come to a point if we can't step down from the political rhetoric and we can't understand this, then all is lost. i fear that all is lost. >> i want to listen to the president yesterday call this what it is, an evil attack. >> this was an anti-semitic act. you wouldn't think this would be possible in this day and age. but we just don't seem to learn from the past. >> do you believe, jeff, that
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the president really understands that he absorbs the enormity of this for the jewish community? >> i believe the president, again, not a political statement. this is a statement from the heart. i believe the president understands it and feels it in his gut and every fiber of his being. the president is the father and grandfather of jews and observant and open jews. the fact he feels it. he knows it. he spent his whole life dealing with our people. so, yes, i know that's a fact. you can disagree with his approach and i know many people disagree with his approach but the truth is there's so many communities around the country where we do want to have restrictions taken away so that our synagogues can be armed and people can be armed. the truth. many places they disagree with that. fine. let the synagogues decides for themselves. but to try and make this
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political is just -- not just wrong. it's evil and it's wicked and lead to more bloodshed. >> rachelle, do you think you heard the community needs to hear from the president. >> i think i would like to hear him condemn the shooter in this case. i did not hear that from the president yesterday. we often hear him, you know, he is able to call different politicians dogs or things like that but we did not hear him say the same things about this shooter yesterday. and i understand, you know, that this is a very difficult time for the jewish community and, you know, i also want to make sure that we continue to recognize that there was also a white supremacist that attempted to get inside of a black church in kentucky and when he was not able to do so, he went and shot two african-american people and the president said that if the synagogue had a gun, this may have been prevented. in the kentucky shooting there was a man who had a gun and fired back and still two people died. so i don't think that is a
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solution. i certainly agree that, you know, we are politicizing this issue but it is very hard not to when you have a president who during charlottesville as white supremacists marched down and said jews would not replace us he said there are good people on both sides and that is a huge issue. >> for clarity the president did call bowers a whacko yesterday, just for clarity there. >> there was no question the president was as clear as could humanly than possible and looking to try to say others, the president was clear in condemning this and the president was clear in condemning wicked people on one side and good people on the other side. the fact is the president called on violence and hate from the beginning on all sides. that is what has to be called out. up with side's hate and violence is not acceptable and the other side is wrong. hate and violence on any side is a problem. >> it is a problem but as we continue as african-americans or
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as people of the jewish faith and give a pass on the president he is making a statement is true. i'm not saying he does not care the people died but i don't think he recognizes that his own words in some ways have incited this sort of political violence. appreciate you being here. i found his words of comfort. people tried to say he should or shouldn't have had the rally. i appreciated the fact that he used the bully pulpit of a rally to bring up this issue and make it front and center. i appreciated that. we're going to differ. obviously, wee see the world differently. why can't we stop politicizing this. this is obviously an insane person, a crazy person, an evil and wicked person. someone who wanted to kill us of
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who we are because we're jews. >> i know that this is personal for you. i appreciate you both being here. sharing your thoughts with us as we try to reckoncile what's happening and what to do about it. thank you both so much. okay. well, his father survived yesterday's synagogue shooting in pittsburgh. do stay with us. because there is one man who says knowledge is what saved his father's life. what does he mean? we'll tell you. our dad was in the hospital. because of smoking. but we still had to have a cigarette. had to. but then, we were like. what are we doing? the nicodermcq patch helps prevent your urge to smoke all day.
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