memory be a blessing. ♪ outfront next, two major suspects in the hate crimes that rock the nation, make their first appearances in court today. what's behind the rising tide of hate and anti-semitism in america. president trump blames the media for the anger in the country. labelling us the true enemy of the country. it's time to stop asking trump to provide comfort, patty davis, ronald reagan's daughter is my guest. let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm jake tapper in for erin burnett.

taking zero responsibility. the president backed by his white house staff, showing no signs of changing his combative to tone, in the wake of how ugly it is out there, from pittsburgh, in florida and in kentucky. sarah sanders in a familiar move, pointed the finger back at reporters. >> the very first thing that the president did was condemn the attacks both in pittsburgh and in the pipe bombs. the very first thing the media did was blame the president and make him responsible for these ridiculous acts. that is outrageous that would be the first response. the individuals who carried them out are the ones responsible. it's not the president, any more than it was bernie sanders fault who shot up a baseball field full of republican congressmen.

you cannot put the responsibility on anyone other than the person who commits the crime. >> only the alleged shooter and the alleged bomb maker are responsible for their actions. it's also true that president trump despite occasional efforts to unite the nation has also taken clear steps to continue to divide us. today tweeting, "there is great anger in our country caused by fraudulent reporting of the news. the make news media, the true enemy of the people must stop and report the news accurately and fairly." calling the media, the enemy of the people again, just days after pipe bombs were sent to cnn by one of trump's supporters hours after that tweet. the president's attitude about how his supporters behave and his refusal to take any responsibility for what he tells

them is not new many listen to then candidate trump refusing to condemn the anti-semites who wrote an article about melania trump that the then candidate and his wife didn't care for. >> some of your supporters have viciously attacked this woman with anti-semitic attacks, death threats. these people get so angry, what's your message to these people when something like that happens. >> i haven't read the article, but i heard it was very inaccurate and nasty article. i'm married to a woman who's a very fine woman -- >> but these anti-semitic -- >> i don't know about that, you mean fans of mine? >> your message to these fans is, i don't have a message to the fans. >> and that's basically been the president's attitude. his supporters are responsible for their own actions and he's not accountable in anyway. the philosophical question on the table here is why do we as a

society consider it important? why is it a standard for politicians to not inflame passions among supporters, using demonizing language or concocting conspiracy theorys or throwing around ugly rhetoric? why is that our expectation? doesn't it have something to do with concerns that maybe some supporters will take things too far? that was what senator marco rubio was concerned about in march of 2016, talking about his then rival, then candidate trump. >> i know people like it, donald trump says whatever he wants and what they feel like saying. president's cannot say anything they want. president's have to understand that their words have consequences, often life and death consequences for real people in the real world. >> last week, after the pipe bombs but before the ugly attacks in kentucky and pittsburgh, former governor mitt romney tweeting. disgusting vile threats and

actions against fellow americans are sadly unsurprising. hate acts follow hate speech. it is pastime for us to turn down and tune out the rabid rhetoric. hate acts follow hate speech mitt romney said. there is a belief in the united states of america that leaders have an obligation to lead their supporters in the right direction. the alleged pittsburgh shooter tweeted negative things about president trump. he thought president trump was too controlled by jews. too controlled to actually make america great again. the alleged shooter was motivated by one of president trump's favorite campaign issues, the one he's been gining up the last few weeks. this migrant caravan. that's why the shooter in pittsburgh said he targeted that synagogue, because of this false belief being shopped around all over the place, including by members of congress, that jews

were funding that kacaravan. the kara va van that president trump today referred to as an invasion. do words like that matter? do hate acts follow hate speech as mitt romney said? sadly, that's not a theoretical question for the people of pittsburgh. and that's where we begin tonight. sara sidner is in pittsburgh near the tree of life synagogue. the suspect was in court today. tell us what happened. >> reporter: the suspect, he went to federal court, he was in a wheelchair, he had on handcuffs, there are 29 federal counts against him in federal court, he was given no bond and was taken to jail. but, you know, look, this is being called the deadliest anti-semitic attack in american history, by the anti-defamation league. and many have said that the warning signs have been there.

not just with this suspect, but with many anti-semitic acts that have been happening around this country. and that those acts have been growing by leaps and bounding. investigators say robert bowers wanted all jews to die. the suspect using his arsenal of weapons to try to kill as many jews as he could. in squirrel hill, the center of jewish life in and around pittsburgh, resident hallie goldstein says fear was never a part of the equation, until now. >> before everyone was saying how they felt stronger and braver, and i don't feel brave, i just feel scared. >> reporter: now there is reason to fear, 11 people were just slaughtered in a synagogue in america. for years, incidents of anti-semitism were on the decline in america, then came the 2016 presidential election. since then a meteoric rise, 35%

increase in 2016, a 57% increase in 2017 according to the anti-defamation league that tracks it. >> that's the single largest surge we've ever seen since we started tracking this data. >> reporter: nothing is sacred, not human life or places of worship or even where the dead are buried. in omaha, nebraska, a veteran's memorial scarred with a swastika. in sacramento, california, flyers targeting jewish students on campus. >> it screams of the same type of graphics that the nazis used. >> this is in potters county, pennsylvania. >> this is my country. >> you guys didn't win the culture war. >> get the [ bleep ] out of here now. >> and no one can forget the torch bearing men in charlottesville, virginia

spilling their hate filled rhetoric. what's beyond all of this, political rhetoric is in part to blame. that rhetoric can be subtle or in your face like steve king, for example retweeting messages from a known nazi sympathizer. >> i'm not deleting that because then you all pile on me and say he knows he's wrong, i'm not guilty one bit. >> for the global special interest. >> this ad raised eyebrows, using jews. and some leaders standing with louis farrakhan. >> we should have a zero tolerance policy on intolerance. it's unacceptable that anyone from the president to minister farrakhan should make de ricive comments and all of it should be called out.

all of it should be unacceptable. >> reporter: we spoke with the rabbi here of tree of life, he was talking to us about all that had happened, he was taking out the torah to make sure it was safe. it had not been damaged, he was thankful for that. he said, jake, love always, always eventually concurs hate. jake? >> sara sidner in pittsburgh, thanks so much many. out front is the democratic attorney general for the commonwealth of pennsylvania. josh shapiro, good to see you again. you said your office is launching a separate investigation apart from the department of justice. what are you focusing on specifically? >> we're interested in finding out the social media platform gab that was used by not just this killer, but white nationalists, neo-nazis across this country to find out whether this is protected free speech or whether it's being used to

insigi incite violence. it's something we're looking at carefully. >> far be it from me to defend gab, but i see heinous bigotry on twitter and facebook. why go after gab, what's different about that? >> there's a difference between heinous bigotry, and a platt form being used to incite violence in our community. i'm not saying for certain that is what's occurring. i'm saying that's something that we're interested in looking at. and we're interested in looking at it from a civil and a criminal perspective, and getting to the bottom of how this platform is being used. >> the shooter is already facing 29 federal charges, some of which could be punishable by death. do you want the feds to seek the death penalty? >> i do. i think this is an appropriate case for the feds to do that, i would point out that this is a case being handled by our federal partners, we're

supporting them anyway we can, it's being prosecuted by the department of justice. >> president trump is planning to come to pittsburgh tomorrow. are you welcoming him to your commonwealth? you're a democrat, you're not a supporter of the president, what's your attitude toward him coming? >> jake, this isn't about partisanship or whether i support the president, this is about making sure that when the president comes to pennsylvania, he brings with him words of healing. that he speaks with moral clarity, something that the president seemingly has been unable to do. he allows his words to be misappropriated by people who then use those words to inflict evil in our community. and the president needs to stand up and firmly condemn that. he cannot continue to allow this to go on on our time lines or in our town squares. and the president has a unique responsibility to rise above the noise and bring down the

temperature of our rhetoric, and help our community begin to heal. that's what i want to see from our president, i think that's what most americans want to see from our president. sadly he seems to miss the mark every time he opens up his mouth or engages his twitter feed. >> well, he did condemn in no uncertain terms anti-semitism and the act of violence, the flags at the white house are at half staff, i understand in general, you have aroun issue w his rhetoric, do you think he's handled this tragedy in the wrong way? >> i would say that the department of justice and those i worked with on the law enforcement side get a plus marks on this, but i think the president has a unique responsibility, any president does. and that is to be the healer in chief. to try to figure out a way to bring people together, to maybe stop his political attacks and political rhetoric for a moment and see how that is being used by people who want to do ill and

evil to others. try to find a way to bring the american people together. that is the president's task, and he has not risen to the level that we need him to rise to in america. we know that there are people enabling this kind of hate in our community. and we know that there are people cheerleading it on, and we know there are people relying on the president's words and tweets and actions to bolster that effort. fair or not, right or wrong, they are relying on the president's words to push that hateful speech forward. and the president right now needs to send a clear message to everyone. in pittsburgh, throughout the commonwealth of pennsylvania and throughout the world, that he doesn't want his language to be used to foster attacks and foment hate in our communities, instead, to try to bring people together. >> attorney general josh shapiro, good to see you. out front now, robert

bercune. he has attended saturday morning services there for 35 years, this sabbath his wife asked him to stay home, she felt sick. and he did. >> i don't know what to say, my deepest condolences to you and your community. i know you were at the hospital meeting with some of the victims and first responders. how are they doing? >> some of them are doing better. i visited the policemen who went into the line of fire to save the others. they are still in the hospital. some other people are still there, serious conditions. it's been an awful experience. >> you've been part of this communities for at least 35 years, you led it for 23 years. how does one even attempt to comfort your congregation while you yourself are in mourning?

>> it's true. what we've seen, i think at least in the pittsburgh area, maybe around the country, is an outpouring of support. and for jews who have been targeted not only now, but really for thousands of years, that's a very important piece of the picture. we need to know we're not alone. we're a minority group, and so we're vulnerable. but the key is, at least in pittsburgh, thousands of people came, people from every faith, islamic, christian, catholic, every denomination was there, every color was there, it was an outpouring of support. >> on saturday, president trump suggested that it would have been better had there been an armed guard on hand at tree of life. i know that since 9/11 and then obviously in the last few years, there's been a rise in anti-semitism, a lot of

synagogues and mosques around the country have had armed guards. what do you think of that? >> i'm not sure. obviously those are decisions that have to be made and perhaps the government has to help in that regard. our synagogue tree of life for years, decades, has hired off duty police to be there on the high holidays. we have big crowds of people. during the week, the building is secured in the sense that we have to be buzzed in with a camera overlooking the door. but each and every shahbat morning, we don't have that, the doors are open, that probably has to be re-evaluated. >> lastly, before i let you go, what do you want people watching you around the world and in the united states. what do you want us to know? how can we help? what's the message you want us

to hear? >> i think we have to hug somebody, we have to lower the rhetoric, we have to be vigilant and observant and we have to know that things can never be the same in our country, which is a sad, sad commentary. >> i'm so sorry for the loss of your congregants and your fri d friends may their memories be a blessing to you, sir. thank you for being with us. >> thank you very much. outfront next, a 15th suspected pipe bomb, this time sent to cnn in atlanta, thankfully intercepted in the mail. the suspect had a list of 100 targets. who else may have been on that list. kellyanne conway blames anti-riliosity. should we look to president trump to comfort the nation in times of need?

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cesar sayoc, this would bring the total number of packages sent by him to 15. officials say he had a list of more than 100 other potential targets, what more can you tell us about this list? >> as you know, this is very much about what we know, and what we don't know right now. what we do know is according to our colleagues here at cnn, he did allegedly have this list of more than 100 names of people he was targeting, that's according to the authorities. some of those people received explosive packages, most did not. we also know that there were indications of a package that came through the mail from over the weekend. that ended up in atlanta. and the post office headed for our colleagues at cnn center there. we also know, he was locked up on friday, so if this is the perpetrator and if in fact he did put packages in the mail,

then presumably by inference the package mailing would have ended late thursday night, early friday morning. the last question, of course, is whether there are any other packages in the postal system. that right now is something the authorities simply cannot answer, jay? >> thank you so much. out front now, jamie benjamin and daniel aaronson, the defense attorneys for cesar sayoc. law enforcement officials telling cnn your client had a list of more than 100 people he intended to send packages. if that's true, can you tell us who's on the list. >> we can't confirm anything like that. all we have is the complaint that originated out of the southern district of new york, where it alleges the original 13 packages and some evidence that they claim may tie our client to that. the things that were reported

today, the government has not shared with us, and we do not have any knowledge of it whatsoever. >> take a listen to christopher ray laying out some of the evidence he has against your client, this is a few days ago. >> based on their initial analysis, they uncovered a latent fingerprint from one of the envelopes containing an ied that had been sent to congresswoman maxine waters. we have confirmed this fingerprint is that of cesar sayoc. there is also a possible dna connection between samples collected from pieces of two different ieds, mailed in separate envelopes, and a sample previously collected from sayoc in connection with an earlier arrest down in florida. >> that's a lot of evidence. do you deny that your client did this? is he innocent in your view? >> first of all, it's not up to me to deny or confirm or

whatever you want to say, the bottom line of it is, he's innocent until proven guilty, as to the two pieces of evidence you wrefrnsed, the bottom line of it is, in the criminal complaint there's a footnote in the bottom of it that acknowledges the fingerprint evidence has not been confirmed and it would certainly not be admissible in a court of law at this stage as far as proof of guilt. as to the dna, the word was possible dna connection, we don't know if the possible dna connection was 1 in a million, 1 in 1,000, 1 in 2 people. as far as we're concerned at this stage, that's kind of flimsy evidence. >> just to drill down on this for a second. we're all innocent until proven guilty, do you believe at this point -- and i know it's way early -- your client is going to plead innocent, not guilty? >> he's going to plead not guilty at this stage, there's no reason for him to plead any

other way. >> two law enforcement sources say he was building the pipe bombs in his van. they found soldering equipment, print, paper and other equipment in the van. how do you explain that? >> we're so preliminary in this case, we have not been told that at all. the things that have floated out in the media haven't been made officially part of a record or an allegation against mr. sayoc. at this point, you know, we have -- we're criminal defense attorneys representing a gentleman who has been accused. he isn't guilty until a jury finds him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. it's hard to even process what is real and what isn't real when it comes to evidence against him at this stage. it's really less than two full business days into the case itself. and we were able to just meet with him briefly through a thick

glass panel and a screen that you can't even see the other person on the other side of for a total of less than 15, 20 minutes. and that isn't enough time to be able to digest or prepare or to be able to defend a person, because we know so little. so it's early on. we're going to do everything in our knowledge and power and expertise to make sure his constitutional rights are given. at this stage he's innocent. >> i want to play for you what one of sayoc's former bosses, the one at new river pizza and flesh kitchen where he was a delivery driver told outfront, take a listen. >> he knew i was very strong supporter, very strong lesbian, very proud of my sexuality. but more than once he told me if he complete autonomy, i would burn in hell with all the jews

and blacks and hispanics and everyone else. it was just the white supremacists that would rule the world. he said, debra, as much as i like you, you will be the first one i will burn. >> have you been made aware of any threats he's made against his former boss or anyone else. >> i don't know anything about his former boss, she may not be telling the truth, she may be. this may be an agenda. i will tell you, i've represented him three times in the past on minor offenses. nobody that i've ever represented has been more respectful to me, has treated me with more courtesy, and he knows that i am jewish, and there has never been anything from him that would be an indication to me that there's any anti-semitism that he has. i don't know this lady.

i know my experiences with him have all been one of respect. >> thank you for your time. outfront next, ronald reagan's daughter says we should no longer look to president trump to comfort a grieving nation at times like this. patty davis will be my guest. which outlets are the enemy of the people. >> i'm not going to walk through a list, but i think those individuals probably know who they are. up here at the dewar's distillery, all our whiskies are aged, blended and aged again.

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headquarters in atlanta. >> shouldn't you have the guts, sarah, to state which outlets, which journalists are the enemy of the people? >> i think it's irresponsible of a news organization like yours to blame responsibility of a pipe bomb that was not sent by the president -- >> for the record, cnn did not blame president trump for the pipe bomb. the bomber is solely, directly responsible for the bombs. but cnn has said the president of cnn, that president trump and sarah sanders don't seem to get the seriousness of their continued attacks on the media or the degree to which their words matter. jeff zeleny is out front at the white house. how do advisers see this as squaring with his calls for unity? >> they viewed it as the president defending himself. the president fighting back, the president under attack by others, defending himself.

that tweet came this morning at 8:03 this morning. not by talking about any of the victims at the synagogue, but by blaming the hate and anger in america on his view on what he called the media, simply not true. that was his only public statement on that, so far. he will be doing interviews later that will be airing on fox. he did not have any public events. talking to a variety of people here at the white house, and other republicans who are allies of this president, they say he's filled with grievance, he believes that his words over the weekend denouncing all of this were not really given that much attention, which, of course isn't true as well. they were broadcast, he was talking so much, and went ahead with that campaign rally, that is what made more news, of course. going after maxine waters again, going after others. the president going to pittsburgh tomorrow, facing a

challenging situation on the seen. many do not want him to go. the rabbi at the sing goiynagog he is welcome, he is the president. i'm told by advisers and officials it's unlikely he will meet with any family members at this point, more likely law enforcement officials. the president is blaming everyone, not accepting any blame for the rhetoric that he has started. but after this visit in pittsburgh tomorrow, after that, the midterm election races get underway. 11 rallies we're told tonight in six days. that's why this meeting is happening tomorrow. they should be burying the dead first they say, this is too soon. >> jeff zeleny at the white house, out front, joan walsh, mark short signed a nondisparagement agreement with the trump campaign, amanda

carpenter and jay michaelson. joan, let me start with you, the white house argument is that the attacks on him have not stopped, tom steyer was on my show yesterday, had some very harsh things to say, congressman adam schiff had some harsh things to say. their argument, why should he unilaterally disarm. >> because he is the president, jake, i know you know that, we expect more from the president, and i also have to say, you know, on a day like today, he wakes up, and he calls us once again enemies of the people, and now we get a third pipe bomb addressed to cnn. he did not do it, it's solely the bomber's responsibility, but he can't hold back for even a few days. tom steyer got a pipe bomb, he had some sharp words for the president. he can't hold back from tom steyer, on the day when more jews were massacred in pittsburgh, in the entire history of our country.

that same day he decides to attack a very prominent jewish conservative, bill crystal by name. he cannot stop himself. and, therefore, the criticism won't stop. it's our job. >> i think the president has elevated jewish members across the highest levels of his administration. i think calling him anti-semitic is over the top. i do not think the press is the enemy of the people. a fair and free press is foundational to our democracy. having said that, with that freedom comes enormous responsibility to report news fairly and without bias, i think it's hard to argue that this administration has been covered without bias. >> let me drill down, because you said -- you just said you didn't call him anti-semitic. >> i did not. >> what were you suggesting when

you noted that on the same day, those jews were massacred, the deadliest day for jews in american history on saturday. he went after bill crystal. >> he clearly didn't care enough not to go after bill crystal. i would add, it took the president several hours to mention that this occurred at a synagogue. it took him a long time to mention that these were jews. and then his first statements about it seemed to imply that the jews might bear some responsibility because they weren't armed jews and they didn't have a way to fight back. all his statements are tone deaf, until we hear reporting from his daughter and son in law persuaded him to take a kinder tone to use the word jewish, to use the word synagogue, to express concern. i don't know what's in the man's heart, jake. i judge him by his behavior, and

his behavior did not show a lot of care and concern about the jewish community that day. >> you're judging him on what you interpret to be what he left out of his words. >> he has elevated jewish members across his administration -- >> i don't care about that, mark. i've seen racist people hire black people. >> two separate incidents, but it gets down to one huge concern, and that goes to donald trump's language and his associations. we saw what happened with the pipe bomber, with a person who believed donald trump when he said the press is the enemy of the people, and he acted on it, donald trump is not responsible for that man, but knowing his words had that impact, will he retire that phrase now? what's to stop it from happening again? going-forward, knowing that his words caused that man to act, he is responsible. knowing that the trump campaign played footcy and cozied up to

the alt-right platform. is he still going to send those coded signals to that community which gets them riled up? he's not responsible for what happened this week, but going-forward if he does not change and recognize the impact his words have, he will be. >> there is this question about words, mark. to that point, here's what -- i'm sorry, jay. here's what michael bloomberg had to say, take a listen. >> president who should be unifying and instead he is exciting people, inciting people, the president's words matter more than anybody else. and his job i always thought is to be a unifier, not to be the leader of a party, but to be the leader of this country. >> it's hard to argue he should be a unifier and a leader of the country. do you think the president's words can hold -- can be held

responsible for the actions of a grown man? >> i think it's strange we keep using the word responsible as if it's black and white. if you're a kid at a party and you spike the punch, are you responsible when some kid gets drunk and commits a dui? you know that's inevitable. president trump has been playing with fire for years. his supporters have been playing a devil's bargain. if we support him, we'll overlook the bad stuff. when you play the fire, you pander to white supremacists, and say, there's people on both sides of a neo-nazi rally. academics use a term which means creating the conditions for a lone wolf to act. that doesn't mean you're responsible for those actions, it means you create those circumstances about. >> let's bring mark in.

the president says he wants unity, and yet you've heard the other panelists. let's take a look at the tweets he sent. we had one tweet today calling andrew gillum a thief. there's no evidence that he's a thief. he called tom steyer after tom steyer was on my show criticizing him -- by the way, styer was the target of a bomb. he called him wacky and a crazed lunatic. many bad people are mixed into the caravan heading to our southern border. our country is waiting for you. what is your response, you're out numbered here, 3-1. people who think that president trump needs to -- is playing with fire. as jake put it, that you can't incite a base and a movement and not think some people are going to take it too far fp. >> i don't think the president is encouraged by bombs or the violence that's occurred.

i do think there's -- all of us could be doing a better job. from the president to those of us who commentate to frankly the news organizations, to help to lower the rhetoric in this country in ways that we can be more respectful of each other. i also athink that do often as country we put our faith in our elected leaders. the one who can help to heal our land, is the one who said, if my people will humble themselves and face me and pray to me, i will heal their land. that's what the nation needs to do as opposed to pointing fingers. >> i'm sorry, isn't praying what the people in the synagogue were doing? >> listen to the full response he gave that question, when he was asked specifically about that. he's said that those people should have certainly been protected in the synagogue. you'll hear more of that tomorrow. again, we're trying to point fingers. >> four police officers were shot, they had guns, mark. >> i understand what happened, i

understand that, and i think we all need to step back for a second, tone down the rhetoric ourselves, allow the president's opportunity tomorrow to make more thorough remarks, but recognize in many cases we're putting our faith in people, when we should be putting our faith in god. >> we can pray all we want -- let me be -- >> let her go. >> i happen to believe in god, but a lot of people in this country don't. they're entitled to that, they're entitled to believe in the goodness of one another. >> i'm not questioning that. >> to tell people to pray because we have a man in the white house who can't find it within himself to do the decent thing and tone this down, that's really disrespectful, mark. you didn't mean that. >> amanda -- >> everybody should pray, and i pray for our leaders, definitely donald trump, he must dramatically change course going-forward. until he lets these movements know their presence and support is not welcome they will continue to feel emboldened and

continue to take his words and give it purpose in their own life. that's why people are driven to do these things, they find purpose in doing these things, like sending pipe bombs and going to a synagogue and shooting them up, that has to be put to a full stop, full clarity for anything to change going-forward. >> jay, let me play devil's advocate here, i think there are a lot of people in the jewish community who say what happened on saturday and said, boy we need to get armed guards in our synagogue, is it possible that that's all president trump meant? this is a dangerous world, things are bad? you should have armed guards? i understand to a lot of people it came out as tone deaf and clumsy. is it not possible he meant it in the same way a million jews across the country said, we need to check in with our security people at our synagogue. >> i think it's reasonable for synagogues to have security. it's dodging a responsibility to

say the victims should have had guns to fight someone with an ar-15, which is a weapon that shouldn't be on the streets in the first place. but a lot of jewish trump supporters have entered into that devil's bargain, we'll put up with a little anti-semitism and the movement, he's not anti-semitic, and he's good on israel. this is a moment of reckoning for anyone who cares about prejudice in this country. >> i want you to listen to kellyanne conway earlier today, it's because of an anti-religiosity sentiment in the country. take a listen. >> the anti-religiosity in this country that is somehow in vogue and funny to make fun of anybody of faith, to constantly be making fun of people who express religion, the late night comedians, the unfunny people on tv shows.

it's always anti-religious, and remember, these people were gunned down in their place of worship. >> joan, what was your responsible to that. >> kellyanne outdid herself today, that is just incredible spin, late night comedians. they were not murdered by an anti-religious person. they were murdered by a crazy anti-semite. bill mahre may mock every religion. he has never picked up a gun. how does she sleep at night. it's a dangerous response to responsibility. it's too stupid to be believed. no one will fall for it. >> i think a few minutes ago, i was encouraging prayer and joan said she thought that was offensive to the agnostics and atheists in our country. >> i p.m.p. >> it doesn't have to be bill mahre -- >> are you kidding? >> it's a double standard.

>> are you kid something. >> no, i'm being quite factual with the comments you just game. >> my comments contribute to an anti-religious atmosphere. how dare you. >> that was offensive. >> you really need to watch yourselves, that is offensive. >> amanda, i know you're a person of faith also, i wonder if you can be quick, i want to let jay, who's a rabbi. >> she's trying to shift the blame to a different political target by going after late night hosts, here's why it's so tone deaf, there are a lot of people in america who are scared. if you work in the america you are scared. if you want to go to church, you're scared. if you send your kids to school, you're probably scared. and for some reason, all the people in the white house can't get that and empathize where that, they're too busy protecting their own fragile political egoes. >> jay, what did you think.

>> it's beyond offensive, i don't know how much more explicit a terrorist has to be, saying explicitly why he's carrying this out, lies about a migrant caravan, lies about a jewish involvement. it goes to show it's a package deal. you can't have one without the other. as a rabbi, what i would like to hear the president say is an apology. >> our next guest says that trump is incapable of apology. we'll talk to former first daughter patti davis. (bell ringing) instead, he's the tallest guy in his office.l basketball player. yeah, eric's had to compromise a lot in life.

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tragedy take over the precedence of the president needing to punch back? if not now, when? >> i think you saw the president do just that in the wake of a national tragedy. not just this week but every time that our country has, this president has risen to that occasion and worked to bring to our country together in a number of occasions, whether it's the hurricanes, las vegas shooting, whether it was the pittsburgh shooting. >> our next guest disagrees. out front tonight, the daughter of president reagan, patti davis. she has a new op-ed where she writes about president trump, saying, quote, this president will never offer comfort, compassion and empathy to a grieving nation. it's not in him. when questioned after a tragedy, he will always be glib and inappropriate. so i have a wild suggestion. let's stop asking him. his words are only salt in our

wounds. welcome. >> thank you. >> you don't think he has risen to that occasion ever in times of national tragedy? >> unless i missed a news day, i've never seen or heard him. you know, it occurred to me when i watched him being questioned right -- you know, when the news of the shooting in pittsburgh had come out and he was walking to marine one and he was being questioned by the journalists. i don't think there was any journalist there who didn't have some idea of what he was going to say, essentially what he was going to say, that he wasn't going to reach out to the broken hearts across this country and offer solace and compassion, because he never has before. and i thought, why are you even asking him? you know, there's no law that says that reporters have to question the president while he's walking to the helicopter or to the plane. what if you just don't ask him at times like this?

and don't give him that opportunity to literally rub salt in our wounds. >> obviously, every time -- not obviously but every time i think of your dad, i think about his address to the nation follow in the space shuttle challenger. here is what i think about every time i think about your dad. >> nancy and i are to the core of the tragedy of the shuttle challenger. we know we share this pain with all the people of our country. this is truly a national loss. i wish i could talk to every man or woman who works at nasa or worked on this mission and tell them your dedication and professionalism have moved and impressed us for decades and we know of your anguish. we share it. >> patti, with all due respect, that is a really high bar. i get what you're coming from. >> yeah. >> but that's the gold standard of comforting a nation. is it possible you just expect

too much? >> no, i don't think i do. i'm not asking him to -- well, i'm not asking trump to do anything, but i'm not expecting anybody to reach the level of my father's el quens, because it was el quens. can you just reach out from your heart? and i don't think that this president can. so, again, i get back to why are we asking him to? if you, in your personal life, had a tragedy or a loss or were in grief, you wouldn't reach out to someone who you knew was not going to comfort you or show you solace. that would be a ridiculous thing to do. so why do we expect him to? >> i don't know if you saw, but george conway, a noted conservative attorney in washington, d.c., who happens to

have a -- >> kellyanne conway's husband? >> that is also true. he retweeted part of your column. >> wow! >> the part about how he will never offer -- president trump will never offer comfort, compassion or empathy to a grieving nation, it's not in him. then he responded on twitter. somebody else says the president lacks the communication skills and george conway responded it's far beyond that. it's that there's nothing from within to communicate. >> well, i think -- first of all, wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall in that dining room tonight, in that home? i wouldn't but anyway -- >> probably some interesting conversations. i think that's true. >> yeah, probably. i didn't know that he had -- >> do you think that's the problem? george conway is basically saying he doesn't have it within him to communicate. it's not that it's a communications problem. >> i kind of said the same thing. i don't know what's inside of anybody except i do know what

people show on the outside. at some point, we do show what is inside of us. and donald trump has never shown compassion ever. he didn't just burst on the scene. he has been in the public eye for 40 years. can you name any instance where he has shown kindness and compassion? he never had a reputation for th that. >> i'm not the white house press secretary. but if sarah was here, i'm sure she would say you don't see what he's like to people on our staff and we're all devoted to him and you don't see what he's like with soldiers. i'm sure she would be able to relay a number of instances she's seen. >> of course because that's what she does but i don't know what to say about sarah sanders. i don't know what movie she's watching. the rest of us are watching a different movie. >> patti davis, so nice to meet you via satellite.

>> thank you. >> a.c. 360 starts now. many broadcasts began by telling you the name of a murderer who killed 11 people in the synagogue behind me earlier this saturday morning. they may show you his pictures and repeat his name so much that it will become as well known as other mass murderers whose names you probably remember. we hope history does not remember this killer's name and we won't be saying it or showing you his photo in the hour ahead. instead we want to take a few moments on those who really matter, on the 11 people who lived good and decent lives, loved by family, friends and leave behind them broken hearts and happy memories. daniel stein was killed saturday. his son said he was a simple man. his nephew said he had